[00:05] Hello I was wondering whether it was possible to check which keyboard drivers are currently connected/being used? [00:05] I connected a new apple magic keyboard to ubuntu and it's not using the hid_apple driver and my fn keys aren't working either [00:06] mediachicken: is that bluetooth? [00:06] yes [00:07] might want to check on #ubuntu, as the issues extend beyond just the desktop environment [00:07] yeah I asked in ubuntu as well [00:07] then i'd just patiently wait :) [00:07] I just know the keybindings are set in the DE so wasn't sure if anything else driver related was as well [00:07] cuz i don't have the hardware to test either [00:08] could the issue be because I'm running it on a macbook and the internal keyboard is using the hid_apple driver? [00:09] i doubt it [00:09] Alright, just making sure. The old wireless keyboards used the hid_apple driver, but I have the new magic keyboard. Thinking that there might not have been a driver update [00:10] no clue man. gotta talk to those new-fangled-apple folks [00:10] the keyboard works as expected, it's just that the fn key is literally not even recognized when I press it in xev [00:10] haha yeah, hopefully someone in #ubuntu knows [00:10] most of us apple people here are all ppc [00:10] that sounds like a driver issue for sure [00:10] I'm honestly trying to switch to linux full time [00:10] yay :) helps to have "normal" hardware XD [00:11] But I've used mac for years at work and it's a hard switch to make as a software engineer lol [00:11] i hear ya [00:11] but less proprietary :) [00:12] Yeah dude, I had the idea after upgrading my tower. I decided to install lubuntu on my mac and was disappointed at how lightning fast it ran compared to OSX on the exact same hardware [00:12] really makes me second guess spending $2500 [00:12] heheheheh [00:12] yeah and honestly, if you compare the specs, you can get something similar to any mac pretty much anywhere else for far less [00:12] Honestly I completely blame El Capital. OSX 10.11 literally ruined OSX for me [00:13] Oh yeah, the Asus Zenbooks have amazing hardware and a 4k screen [00:13] for almost $1k less [00:13] yuup[ [00:14] i love how well lubuntu runs on just about anything. i generally use old hardware because it just makes it run so well :) [00:14] i get handmedowns from people. you know, borked windows installs and the like [00:14] Hell yeah. It's not even that I have tight constraints and need a lightweight OS. I just hate all the "eye candy" in most modern OS [00:14] i don't MIND the eye candy, but i don't need it [00:14] http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-lxqt-in-a-raspberry-pi/ [00:14] I want my DE to be insanely responsive [00:14] just putting that out there XD [00:15] If it can stay insanely responsive and have eye candy, i don't mind it. But functionality > beauty when it comes to a DE [00:15] what i don't like is extra b.s. that's just cludgy. that's my problem with ubuntu and kubuntu (which we use at work). so many features that are largely unnecesary [00:15] indeed [00:15] i can't tell you the hassles i've had to deal with regarding kubuntu panels [00:15] on lubuntu it's just simple [00:16] I for one can't stand cinnamon [00:16] i like plain config files. [00:16] s/simple/simpler/ :P [00:16] :/ [00:16] I've never ran a KDE install before. Makes me more confident in my choice of lxde [00:17] my biggest problem with os x is that they freaking RUINED freebsd [00:17] it's not like darwin is freebsd + some extra stuff [00:17] no it's freebsd - some stuff + some extra stuff [00:17] though the man pages for the stuff that they removed are often still lurking around [00:17] i like their microkernel tho :) [00:18] i guess it's my responsibility to state this channel is for support and is logged. if we want to continue this non-support chat, we'd probably be best going to #lubuntu-offtopic [00:19] * tsimonq2 nods [00:20] ah okay, sorry about that lol [00:20] well I guess it's permanently on record that OSX is trash now [00:20] ;) [00:20] mediachicken: it's no problem at all, frankly, but it's just better that way for all the people desperate for help :) [00:22] Well then I will ask something on-topic. If I'm not able to resolve this conflict, how would I assign the brightness functionality to the F1/F2 keys? What command would I add to the lubuntu-rc.xml? [00:23] and is there a way to remap keys via the same file? Like can I the A keybinding to trigger B? Curious if I could keybind shift+ctrl to replace the fn key (I know it could cause possible problems with hotkeys but not too concerned right now) [00:24] mediachicken: if you google around you can find all sorts of things [00:25] but tl;dr you just need cli commands to do particular tasks and use the tag [00:25] you can do that with xbacklight for example [00:25] haven't googled the second question but I have googled around a bit for the first question and didn't find any good solutions [00:25] e.g. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Openbox:_Control_Screen_Brightness_Using_the_Keyboard [00:26] ah okay. I didn't know if there was an alternate to the tag where I could use like or something or if everything had to be command based [00:26] mediachicken: not in the normal openbox toolkit afaik. you'd have to do some deeper hacking. [00:26] Ah alright, thanks! [00:27] also i kind of doubt the kernel really picks up on the fn [00:27] maybe i'm wrong [00:27] If I search documentation for this file what would I look for? This is an openbox related config and not an lxde config? [00:27] but i'd bet that fn-some-key is picked up [00:27] Hmm, so the fn key is actually modifying the signal before it's sent to the computer? [00:27] in our case, openbox is the window manager in the whole lxde suite [00:27] mediachicken: that's my GUESS. [00:28] well using xev on my keyboard returns the exact same result for f1 and fn+f1 [00:28] guess it really is a driver issue [00:28] yeah [00:29] and even if that idea was possible you'd have to figure out the right keycode for fn [00:29] i don't know if this is helpful: [00:29] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard [00:30] maybe fnmode default has changed? [00:30] /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode [00:30] if that's 0 that's probably the issue as it means fn disabled [00:31] also check this out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apple_Keyboard [00:32] you may have to read between the lines but arch usually has excellent docs [00:32] my suggestion with their docs is don't just copy/paste commends before you know what they do [00:32] and what the original state is [00:37] Yeah like I said when I change the fnmode of the hid_apple driver it only modifies the input for my built in apple keyboard [00:37] that's why I was asking originally if it were possible to show a list of the current kb drivers being used [00:38] because I wanna know what driver my magic keyboard is using [00:38] sure [00:38] well [00:38] hm [00:38] yeah I googled for it but couldn't find anything useful [00:38] mayube it depends more on the available bluetooth profiles [00:39] yeah because the driver is for the bluetooth adapter [00:39] I don't know about apple keyboards [00:40] i am just kind of clueless on this one :( [00:41] So is there a generic bluetooth keyboard driver I could try to modify the settings on? [00:42] actually i don't think so [00:42] I feel like there has to be a way to list connected peripherals along with the drivers they're using [00:42] you MAY be able to change the underlying profiles [00:42] xinput -list brings me the closest but no cigar [00:43] but what i'm trying to say is that in the case of bluetooth, the kernel module for the bluetooth ADAPTER (receiver/transmitter) is what's doing most of the heavy lifting, with it talking to the device via bluetooth profiles [00:43] not sure I know what bluetooth profiles are [00:43] yeah [00:43] well [00:43] this is one of the reasons why bluetooth sucks :) [00:43] is there a way to modify them? [00:43] hahaha [00:43] yes but you got to know how to [00:43] hmm so it's not like a generic easily editable config file? [00:44] MAYBE helpful https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22265089/bluetooth-profile-info-in-linux [00:44] So from your understanding of this issue so far, is the best guess that my issue is a driver problem or do you think it's actually a kernel issue or something? [00:45] i think it's a bluetooth profile thing [00:45] Which a driver wouldn't fix? [00:45] or do bluetooth devices not use normal drivers? [00:45] yeah because the driver being used is for the adapter [00:45] right that exactly [00:45] ah I gotcha [00:45] well I'm learning, and already disliking this whole bluetooth thing [00:46] it's like kernel <-- driver --> adapter <-- profiles --> device [00:46] it's still in its infancy [00:46] I thought kernel = driver? [00:46] no [00:46] well [00:46] not exactly [00:46] so if I'm able to modify the profile and make the appropriate changes, will these changes be persistent even if I remove the bluetooth device completely? [00:46] that's like saying chrome == a chrome extension [00:46] because isn't it just kernel modules, wxl? [00:47] mediachicken: maybe. don't know, for sure. [00:47] from the sound of that SO question it seems like it creates a profile on pairing [00:47] tsimonq2: you can't boot a module, tsimonq2. [00:47] wxl: but you can boot a kernel [00:47] and kernel - modules [00:47] s/-/=/ [00:47] tsimonq2: right, so a module != kernel [00:47] so a kernel = driver [00:47] s/=/!=/ [00:48] but isn't kernel = x(module) = x(driver) ? [00:48] (Algebra lol) [00:48] kind of, but for the sake of this discussion, it's not useful [00:49] oh :P [00:50] example profile mediachicken https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Linux_and_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_device_as_a_modem [00:50] that page over all may be helpful [00:51] thanks for the link, I've been doing reading up on bluetooth profiles trying to wrap my head around it [00:52] this is also fascinating https://idebian.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/manage-hid-bluetooth-devices-in-linux/ [00:52] I saw a post from years back about using hcitool to and in his post it showed the apple keyboard in the output, but when I ran it nothing got returned [00:53] in there is a patch that MIGHT help [00:53] but essentially we're talking hardcore hacking [00:54] send it back get a real keyboard; move on XD [00:55] i find apple products tend to always have some weird quirk that no one in the industry follows [00:59] Agreed lol. But this keyboard is my favorite keyboard at this size with the nicest feeling buttons [01:00] i hear you [01:00] I wish I could sit around and be an apple hater, but they do design some great devices [01:00] their design department is wonderful [01:00] Definitely is, I just wish their engineering was up to the same spec [01:01] heheheh [01:04] interesting, so that link you sent is basically bypassing the whole bluetooth profile route by tricking the system into thinking its a usbdevice? [01:04] Idk if I wanna go to that extent to make this work, but I'll throw it in the list as possible solutions if all else fails [01:04] seems like it [01:04] but then you're stuck with what you get [01:05] meaning what? [01:05] i.e. if the fn key doesn't work you have no more options to change :) === SonikkuAmerica is now known as HoopSkirtWithFri === HoopSkirtWithFri is now known as SkirtWithFrills === SkirtWithFrills is now known as SonikkuAmerica [03:44] is the new lxqt usable? === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica === SonikkuAmerica is now known as DiscoverCard === DiscoverCard is now known as SonikkuAmerica [07:01] anyone out there? [07:02] I am sure there are [07:03] hey [07:04] is ubuntu imagewriter the same as startup disk creator? [07:06] I do not know [07:08] thanks for answering anyway [07:08] no, they're different things [07:09] startup disk creator is usb-creator-gtk, ubuntu imagewriter is something else I haven't heard of [07:10] looks like it's launched via usb-imagewriter, but it's not included in supported releases of lubuntu (looks like it was last in 12.10) [07:11] but I thought imagewriter was usb-creator [07:11] !usb [07:11] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [07:11] not sure what you're trying to do, but this might help :) [07:13] I'm putting raspbarian on an sd card. gnome "disks" seems to have worked. [07:14] seemed startup disk creator didn't like ,img [07:14] ah, glad you got it sorted [07:15] btw, how would you go about creating a bootable sd card? (if you haven't had to try it, I'll understand you not knowing) [07:16] it's just the first time I've done it with a .img file and it seems a lil different [07:16] when I last flashed my rasbian system I just used the install directions on the rasbian site, may have suggested dd [07:17] yeah [07:18] dd? ok [07:18] command line dd onto the sd card [07:18] have you used anything other that raspbarian, like Ub Mate arm? [07:18] nope [07:19] ok, thx [07:19] I only have the original Rasberry Pi, so my options are limited :) [07:19] oic [07:21] have you ever seen hardware ars? [07:21] wars^ [07:22] nope, but it's time for me to head to bed and sounds like a conversation for #lubuntu-offtopic anyway :) [07:22] have a good one [07:23] bye [07:44] I just wanted to say that lubuntu is better than ubuntu === mathisen is now known as Mathisen [13:47] where to enable window selection by hovering instead of clicking? [14:38] rrr: Basically, '~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml', http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#Focus , and "openbox --reconfigure". [16:52] lubuntu users? [16:53] dzCN: do you have an actual question? [16:55] are you a developer of lubuntu? [16:59] dzCN: if you have an actual question you may wish to ask it, rather than ask if someone is a developer or a user [17:10] can Lubuntu be installed on intel compute stick? [17:24] hello... please help me make my lubuntu recognize the USB flash drive [17:26] any expert? === dax is now known as rww === rww is now known as dax === rafaellaguna is now known as redwolf === WildSoft_ is now known as WildSoft === teward- is now known as teward === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel [23:52] Problem: can't see the USB flash drive in document explorer PCMan [23:52] any hint