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didrocksgood morning06:14
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dokodidrocks, Laney: there's a bunch of desktopish packages which want to move to universe? Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt06:29
pittiGood morning06:30
didrocksdoko: I don't think they are, better to check with the desktop guys. I'll just promote session-shorcuts though as now unity migrated to main06:33
didrocksgood morning pitti06:33
pittioh, consolekit wants to go out of main -- can we remove that at last?06:36
* pitti goes through the rdepends06:36
pittiah no, still some open tasks on bug 150204506:40
ubot5`bug 1502045 in tcosmonitor (Ubuntu) "Move from consolekit to logind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150204506:40
alexarnaudhoy hoy hoy everybody !08:53
willcookemorning alexarnaud08:56
didrockshey willcooke, alexarnaud!08:57
willcookehi didrocks09:00
seb128good morning desktopers09:04
Laneymorning09:04
seb128hey alexarnaud willcooke Laney09:04
seb128re didrocks ;-)09:04
Laneywhat's up!09:04
didrocksre seb12809:04
didrocksmorning Laney!09:04
seb128Laney, tuesday starting with sun & blue sky, nice!09:05
seb128also weather was perfect for tennis yesterday (dry with no wind)09:05
seb128which was good for the match I had to play, I really enjoyed it (had a few frustating ones on previous weeks when it was very windy)09:06
seb128Laney, how about you?09:06
Laneyyeah nice and clear here09:06
Laneylooks a bit frosty outside :-o09:07
Laneymy bike got a puncture last night so I had to leave it in the city centre :(09:07
Laneygoing to need to go retrieve/fix that later09:07
seb128urg09:07
seb128I hope nobody stole a part of the bike meanwhile ;-)09:08
pittibonjour seb128, hey Laney!09:08
seb128salut pitti ! ça va bien ?09:08
pittiseb128: oui, et toi ?09:08
seb128très bien merci !09:09
dokoseb128, Laney: there's a bunch of desktopish packages which want to move to universe? Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt09:09
pittiseb128: are you aware of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnome-icon-theme ? it doesn't promote due to some uninstallability09:09
seb128pitti, let me look, probably my fault09:09
seb128I undid the split/-full since it's universe now and not on the CD09:09
seb128I bet there is something needing -full, let me fix it09:10
Laneygood morning doko09:10
seb128hey doko09:11
seb128that list looks mostly fine yes09:11
seb128feels weird to see the telepathy stack going to universe09:11
pittidid LibO lose a lot of its java libs?09:11
seb128but good, a bunch less things we actively maintain09:11
pittibut a lot of it, like bacula/eclipse looks like server seed cleanup too09:11
seb128pitti, Bjoern doesn't seem to be on IRC yet, that's a question for him09:12
willcookeseb128, pitti - he's at the dentist this morning09:12
seb128k09:12
seb128doko, webkit2gtk should stay in main though09:12
seb128Laney, is going to start that transition09:12
dokostill?09:13
seb128still?09:13
dokoLaney, gm.09:13
dokoI thought there are two webkits in main?09:14
dokoand then there is texlive-extra, exchanging a set of font packages09:14
seb128doko, right, we are moving from webkitgtk to webkit2gtk, we prepromoted it with ack from the security team, it needed to build in main to drop some universe depends it had, next we are going to switch desktop components from the old version to this one and then demote the old one09:15
LaneyI'll upload something in a bit to get it off your list :-)09:16
seb128:-)09:17
seb128pitti, do you know why we didn't get a xenial langpack update yesterday?09:17
pittiseb128: because I'm building a fresh -base one right now09:18
seb128hum, k09:18
pittiI'll re-enable the cronjob after that, of course09:18
seb128so we don't know if that bug dropping some .mo files was a one off or still an issue09:18
seb128did we loose the debugging context meanwhile?09:19
seb128or do we still have logs we can use to see what's going on?09:19
pittiseb128: I looked at the logs, and they weren't helpful09:19
pittiseb128: I kept the previous langpacks though, in case they are needed for examining this09:19
seb128k, thanks09:19
pittibut the -base refresh is overdue anyway09:19
seb128that bug is not new, some domains were dropped before holidays09:19
seb128and they came back09:20
seb128so it's on and off for some reasons09:20
seb128@base, ack!09:20
meetingologyseb128: Error: "base," is not a valid command.09:20
pitti@ohshutupwillya09:20
meetingologypitti: Error: "ohshutupwillya" is not a valid command.09:20
pittiare we still in a meeting? :-)09:20
pitti#endmeeting09:20
pitti(ah, can't, only the person who started it can)09:21
seb128are we?09:23
seb128#endmeeting09:23
seb128willcooke, did you forget to stop our weekly meeting previous week? ;-)09:23
seb128or is meetingology just being noisy?09:23
seb128there is no topic from the bot so I would say we are not in meeting mode09:24
willcooke#endmeeting09:24
seb128the bot is just being dumb09:24
seb128so, feature freeze coming09:25
seb128willcooke, Laney, other: opinions on gnome-logs vs gnome-system-log?09:25
seb128others09:25
seb128that's one topic09:25
seb128the other one is "do we want to keep gnome-contacts installed by default"09:26
seb128it was until previous cycle but empathy was bringing it in and we demoted that one09:26
willcookeGnome contacts, I don't think adds a lot of value any more without a mail client to use it09:27
seb128having a contacts/addressbook application seems nice on principle but maybe it's only me who think that09:27
seb128well, it lists your google contacts09:27
seb128so it might be handy if you want to look for somebody's address or phone number09:28
seb128but yeah, maybe people do that online09:28
willcookeI expect most people to use a browser09:28
seb128k, wfm09:28
didrocks(I'm a people, and yeah, they do :p)09:28
willcookeheh09:28
seb128lol09:28
seb128people are weird09:28
didrocksheh09:28
seb128on their phone they use the app09:28
seb128why do they behave differently on 2 devices which are not that different? ;-)09:29
didrocksI guess it's because the webapps are not (yet?) up to par for most of them09:29
didrocksin term of perfs, system integration and such09:29
seb128right, same on the desktop, the app is more integrated and easier to start09:29
Laneygnome-contacts doesn't integrate with things anywhere near as well as the phone contact things do09:29
seb128I guess that statement is true now without empathy09:30
seb128I would have argued otherwise if we still had it09:30
seb128you could message or video call directly09:30
seb128same as on a phone09:31
seb128but yeah, we lack apps that plug into it now09:31
Laneyyes if we were in a world where IM existed09:31
seb128k, so I guess it's a consensus to stop using it09:31
Laneyon a phone you are in a world where the integrations are useful09:31
Laneyimho anyway09:31
seb128yeah09:31
seb128I would still find it useful if you could e.g start an hangout directly from it09:31
seb128but I don't think you can09:32
seb128k, so that's decided09:32
seb128what about the logs?09:32
willcookeyeah.  I think people like Facebook, Google etc have worked to try and keep your contacts in "their" system separate so you choose one platform (Facebook, Google, whatever) and stick with it09:33
seb128I find the gnome-logs interfacing making it more difficult to see the logs content, the content is too small, you only see partial lines, easier to have a glance to the log in gnome-log-viewer imho09:33
willcookelemme look at the differences re: logs09:33
seb128but maybe we could do some easy tweaks to make it better09:34
seb128or maybe it's only me ;-)09:34
seb128willcooke, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/log.png09:35
seb128that's gnome-logs on the left and gnome-system-log on the right09:36
seb128also I resized gnome-log because it opens smaller which makes for even less content (but that would be easy to change)09:36
willcookethx seb12809:38
willcookelooking09:38
seb128in fact I think the gnome-logs way doesn't work well for how I read log, it split every line in a list item which you can click to get that line detailed view, but I don't find the detailed view to bring more, it just seem less efficient to have things splitted like that09:40
willcookedoes syslog have the tabs as well, or is it just syslog?09:40
seb128"tabs"?09:41
willcookeon the left hand window, you have a pane with important, system, security etc09:41
seb128ah09:41
seb128gnome-logs has those categories and it uses the systemd journal09:41
seb128gnome-system-logs lists different known log files09:42
willcookeah, I see09:42
seb128like xorg.0.log09:42
seb128syslog09:42
willcookewell, I'm probably living in the past here, but I prefer seeing syslog, xorg, etc as separate logs09:43
seb128same here09:47
seb128willcooke, any opinion on the readability of both?09:47
willcookeI prefer the one on the right09:47
willcookemore compact09:47
seb128k09:47
willcookewhat about you?09:47
seb128same09:47
willcooke:)09:47
seb128you have content on screen and can read through the log09:48
willcookeyeah, easier to scan09:48
seb128on the left one I've the feeling I only have portion of the info09:48
seb128which is less easy to read09:48
seb128k, I guess gnome-logs might be nice once we have proper journal use09:48
seb128but it's not the case atm, we still have other logs around, the logs are not classified/tagged as well they could, etc09:49
seb128so let's keep the old one for this cycle (the one on the right on the screenshot)?09:49
willcookeagreed09:54
willcookethanks seb12809:54
seb128willcooke, thanks09:56
pittiseb128: what was an example of a missing domain?10:37
pitti(langpacks)10:37
seb128pitti, eog evolution-3.18 evolution-data-server-3.1810:41
pittiseb128: thanks10:42
seb128yw10:42
* pitti uploads the new packs then10:42
seb128\o/10:42
desrthello peeps11:11
willcookemorning desrt11:12
willcookejust going for an early lunch, getting a hair cut11:15
Laneygrade 0 all over11:15
Laneyhi desrt!11:15
desrtmorning laney :)11:15
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Laneywhat is new11:15
desrtwillcooke: pics!11:15
* desrt is poking the glib release11:15
hikiko|lnHi desrt + bbiab11:15
desrthikiko|ln: g'morn11:16
Laneyrelease day is my favourite day11:18
desrtyesterday was release day, in fact11:18
desrtbut it was also a holiday11:18
Laneytime for tea then some webkit2 uploads11:25
LaneyeXcItInG11:25
Saviqseb128, hey, I noticed you guys reverted nautilus a few days ago, now my icons are small at Ctrl+0, when I Ctrl+=, they get bigger (as I'm used to them), but spacing gets huge, that expected? https://imgur.com/a/yU4vu11:26
Sweet5harkmoin11:34
desrtSweet5hark: hello.11:45
alexarnauddidrocks, willcooke, seb128 : how are you ?11:50
alexarnaudSorry for the late, I'm not able to work on task and read IRC ^^11:51
Mirvseb128: can you verify the fix for the overlay scrollbar issue easily, before I copy the built packages to xenial-proposed?12:03
MirvPPA at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-03112:03
dokoSweet5hark, do we need that for xenial? if yes, please write a short MIR12:18
dokoo fonts-stix: fonts-stix12:18
doko   [Reverse-Recommends: libreoffice-common (MAIN)]12:18
* Sweet5hark checks12:19
Sweet5harkdoko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1487148 <- can we just reuse this one for the MIR12:22
Sweet5hark?12:22
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1487148 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please replace xfonts-mathml with fonts-stix in recommends" [High,Fix released]12:22
dokosure, just open a new task12:22
seb128Mirv, hey, sure, thanks for working on that12:37
seb128hey Sweet5hark desrt Saviq12:37
seb128Saviq, @spacing, yes, it's how it was before ... I've to say I sort of got used to the new layout and it felt weird going back to the old one with that much spacing12:38
seb128same for you it seems ;-)12:38
seb128Saviq, the small icons ... I think the new version wrote the change you made as default, you need to go in preferences and set that back to 100%12:39
willcookeyeah, spacing looks like that on 14.04 too.  In fact, I just measured it with a ruler, and it is the same12:39
willcooke:)12:39
seb128:-)12:40
Saviqwillcooke, seb128, ok... I would've sworn I had one more column, but hey... seb128 changing the default helped, thanks!12:42
seb128yw!12:42
seb128Saviq, random internet screenshot from an old serie, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ptcrk3Lk4cQ/UAbJ4F7F2bI/AAAAAAAAJVI/iIMGfqpvK_8/s1600/nautilus-3.5.4-ubuntu12.10.png12:43
seb128Saviq, seems similar12:43
seb128but yeah, the tighter spacing was nice12:44
seb128just didn't play well with zoom level so they locked down to less values12:44
Saviqseb128, ah, so you mean that new nautilus had it tighter? that might be12:44
seb128Saviq, yes12:44
seb128it makes a big difference12:45
seb128Saviq, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Hym4q2km_Zo/VmAHNvy2Q2I/AAAAAAAAINU/8Hzsp_9kIPQ/w1680-h1050/wolo.png12:45
seb128Saviq, or better, http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-older-nautilus-due-to-bugs-and-menubar-499962-2.jpg12:45
Saviqseb128, that's probably just it, then - I got used to the new spacing within the few days I had it :)12:46
seb128so yeah, old nautilus looks like lot of uneeded spaces12:46
seb128right12:46
seb128same here12:46
seb128it is better, I would have applied that change to the old version, if it was playing nicely with the zoom levels12:46
seb128which it's not, the text overlap icons and don't wrap as it should12:46
seb128which is why they limited to big icons12:46
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seb128Mirv, confirmed it fixes it, thanks!12:52
Mirvseb128: thanks for testing!12:53
seb128yw!12:53
seb128willcooke, ^ btw, fix on its way for the qt/o-s issue discussed yesterday12:54
willcookeSaw that, thanks a lot seb128 & Mirv12:56
seb128yw!12:57
seb128pitti, did you say you would override the libreoffice autopkg to let it in?12:58
seb128(seems to still be blocked)12:58
seb128Sweet5hark, did you get anywhere debugging the issue, I think you said you could reproduce yesterday?12:58
Sweet5harkseb128: yeah, got adt-run to fail, Im in a shell in that machine right now. not more yet unfortunately ...13:01
seb128k, no worry13:01
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hikikoI forgot to change my status after lunch \m/ :p13:05
seb128hey hikiko!13:05
hikikohi seb128 :)13:05
Sweet5harkthat I need to tmux inside a qemu instance to debug a test just feels so wrong ...13:11
Sweet5hark1 tmux window for running libreoffice under gdb and 1 tmux window to start the out-of-process java test connecting to it ...13:12
rickspencer3willcooke, I tired to use $ubuntu-bug linux to open my bug report, but the web browser never opened into the bug report page :/13:22
rickspencer3what's a good way for me to open the bug report?13:22
willcookerickspencer3, what's your default browser?  Chromium?  There's a bug there atm13:22
rickspencer3willcooke, Chromium, yes13:22
rickspencer3willcooke, so, temporarily change my browser to FF and try again?13:23
willcooke^H^H^H yes please13:23
rickspencer3ok13:24
rickspencer3will do later, after my calls13:24
willcookethanks rickspencer313:25
seb128willcooke, do we have a bug report about that?13:26
rickspencer3you know you are a systematic team when your bug reporting tool has bug reports13:26
willcooke:)13:28
willcookeseb128, pretty sure we do, looking now...13:28
rickspencer3willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/154609213:32
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1546092 in linux (Ubuntu) "computer freezes frequently" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:32
willcookethanks rickspencer313:33
rickspencer3let me know if there is anything I can add13:33
willcookewill do, I will ask the kernel team to look first since I think that's where the problem lies13:33
Sweet5harkseb128: the root cause of the fail is simple enough: a package missing from the test env13:35
seb128Sweet5hark, which one? that should have been easy to reproduce in a pbuilder/minimal chroot env?13:36
pittiseb128: I didn't see a final yay or nay on that, but can do13:36
willcookerickspencer3, I've added your kernel.log file and a comment to the bug report13:37
seb128pitti, oh sorry, Sweet5hark said "yes please" and I +1ed it ... so yes, please override those, it's not an actual code bug just an env problem (which it seems Sweet5hark just figured out)13:37
rickspencer3willcooke, ok, I can pull another one whenever13:38
rickspencer3I just have to keep using the computer13:38
pittiseb128: okay, done13:38
willcookerickspencer3, if you have time, it would be interesting to see if a live 14.04 session from a USB stick has issues as well.  That could (in theory) immediately point to a hardware issue, bad RAM perhaps.  But this is a guess on my part.13:39
Sweet5harkseb128: libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb was missing. I still have look why. Here is what I assume: rene split that out of some other package or renamed and as the dependencies of the autopackage test are manually maintained, they didnt include it ...13:39
seb128pitti, danke13:39
rickspencer3bad RAM seems like an unlikely scenario13:39
rickspencer3willcooke, ok, I'll see if I can make such a USB stick and try it if the kernel team doesn't see anything obvious13:40
willcookerickspencer3, ack, thx13:40
seb128kernel team is likely going to first ask to try with some newer kernel from a ppa or such13:40
Sweet5harkseb128: still weird that libreoffice-base is even installable without libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb. OTOH, strictly speaking you can use base without hsqldb (when you only use it as a frontend to e.g. postgres). I will recheck those deps though.13:40
seb128Sweet5hark, k, good that you figured it out in any case!13:41
willcookeseb128, humm.  I can't find a bug re: xdg-open.  But it's working for me on this fresh 16.04 machine.  I've mailed Chad to see what he says13:42
seb128k13:42
seb128willcooke, there is bug #1517956 assigned to Chad but I don't know if that would lead to that issue since there is no description or the user experience issue created13:43
ubot5`bug 1517956 in Xdg-utils "xdg-settings (used to) assume desktop files have exactly one Exec line" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151795613:43
willcookeseb128, hrm... well I just tried ubuntu-bug (against unity, sorry Trevinho ;) ) and it worked as expected13:46
willcookeand got an email from chad saying it was fixed a few weeks ago13:46
willcookeso....13:46
willcooke?13:46
Trevinho:)13:46
seb128willcooke, weird13:47
seb128Trevinho, hey13:47
seb128Trevinho, how are you?13:47
Trevinhoseb128: hey13:47
Trevinhoseb128: ok, not too bad :)13:47
Trevinhoseb128: you?13:47
seb128I'm good, thanks!13:48
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TrevinhoLaney: hey, got any chence to check that zeitgeist patch I did (upstart side, as seb128 was saying)?14:41
LaneyTrevinho: I forgot, let me look again later or tomorrow14:47
TrevinhoLaney: np, thanks14:49
seb128Trevinho, hum, my unity doesn't match nautilus (like I've a window open and it's not in alt-tab/matching the launcher icon) ... what sort of debug info would be useful? I didn't have such issues for ages, I wonder if that's a bug with the new nautilus integration code15:01
Trevinhoseb128: indeed it is related to that....15:01
seb128you noticed the issue as well/got other reports?15:03
TrevinhoMh, actually I forgot to add some debuggin statements around -_-15:03
Trevinhoseb128: I had once, but I thought I had fixed...15:03
Trevinhoseb128: do you have some external devices / partitions there?15:04
Trevinhoseb128: also the nautilus window was opened on ~/ ?15:04
seb128Trevinho, I don't have external device/partitions atm15:13
seb128I had my phone connected earlier though15:13
seb128when I click the launcher icon it opens on ~ by default15:14
seb128but I can browse any subdir it makes no difference15:14
seb128nautilus is always missing from alt-tab/not matched in the launcher15:14
Trevinhoseb128: weeeird... Can you do a test build with some debugging code in FileManagerLauncherIcon::IsLocationManaged ?15:14
seb128well in that session, I didn't try restarting unity/bamf but I guess that's going to fix it15:14
seb128Trevinho, yeah, if I'm ever able to reproduce15:14
seb128it's a one time thing atm15:14
Trevinhoouch15:23
seb128?15:23
Trevinhoseb128: well, restarting bamf shouldn't fix it15:24
Trevinhoseb128: the content of the dbus-property of nautilus XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids is right?15:25
seb128Trevinho, I didn't try restarting bamf or anything15:26
seb128I didn't want to screw debug state15:26
Trevinhoyeah, that was a good move...15:27
TrevinhoIf only I included the debugging bits in there!!!! :-@15:27
seb128haha, do it now for next time somebody hits the bug15:27
seb128Trevinho, where is XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids?15:29
Trevinhoseb128: on nautilus filemanager dbus api15:29
seb128 /org/freedesktop/FileManager1 has an OpenLocations15:29
seb128but that's it15:29
seb128no XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids15:29
willcookeoh, it's time already15:30
seb128yeah15:31
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-1615:31
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Feb 16 15:31:17 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:31
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Trevinhoseb128: later, but it's a property...15:31
Trevinhoseb128: also you've libxpathselect1.4 installed?15:31
willcookeRoll call: andyrock (hols), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:31
Sweet5harkheya15:32
dgadomskio/15:32
hikikohu15:32
hikikohi15:32
happyaronhey15:32
desrtword up15:32
desrtattente is here, but he is working very hard15:32
seb128hey15:33
desrthe's also using some weird irc client15:33
attentei get notifications on the desktop now \o/15:33
willcookelets roll15:33
willcooke#topic attente15:33
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attentegnome-software ubuntu-one authentication15:34
attentegtk menus.....15:34
attente(eof)15:34
willcookethanks very much for all your help last week attente15:34
willcookemuch appreciated, and very good job15:34
attentenp!15:34
willcookeattente, just sent an update email from a meeting I just had.  Might be some new stuff to work with pete-woods on, but we will see what RObert reports back15:35
attentewillcooke: sure, thanks15:35
willcooke#topic desrt15:35
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desrthey.  had a pretty short week.15:36
desrtdid a glib release this morning15:36
desrtand digging at bugs15:36
desrtworking on the --app-id thing for gapplication again, since it is coming up in context of xdg-app15:36
desrteof15:36
attentehelping me with threading issues15:36
willcooke:)15:36
desrtlol15:36
desrtthreading^Wrefcounting15:36
willcookethanks desrt, hope your travels were refreshing15:37
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:37
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dgadomskihey15:37
dgadomski* backported a fix to bug #1545750, it has been released today15:37
ubot5`bug 1545750 in samba (Debian) "Access denied if the share path is "/"" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154575015:37
dgadomski* got some time to return to fixing bug #1125442, no results to share yet, however15:37
ubot5`bug 1125442 in Compiz 0.9.11 "Always Visible and On Top Windows Steal Focus on Workspace Switch" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112544215:37
dgadomski* investigating bug #1545302, can't reproduce it on Xenial, trying to reproduce on Wily to make sure Xenial already has the fix15:37
ubot5`bug 1545302 in wpa (Ubuntu) "wpa-roam broken by fix for ifupdown #1337873" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154530215:37
dgadomski(eof)15:37
willcookethanks a lot dgadomski15:37
dgadomskithanks15:37
willcookelet me know if you need help testing etc15:37
willcooke#topic happyaron15:37
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willcookeHappy new year happyaron!15:38
happyaronhey ty!15:38
happyaron* Was on holidays most of the time15:38
willcooke:)15:38
happyaron* Fixing the crashed canonistack vm (crap died again15:38
happyaron* Ubuntu Kylin updates/seeds15:38
happyaron* Random package updates at Debian (ocserv, radcli, etc)15:39
happyaronEOF15:39
willcookethanks happyaron15:39
willcooke#topic hikiko15:39
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hikikoezoom: I did some work and fixes on nux (the compiz part is ready). The main issue I have is related to the order of nux transformations. There are transformations like translations and others that take place in several places and make the scaled components appear misplaced if the scaling is performed before they are applied so I have to store the scaled modelview matrices and make sure that they are used at the right time (and there I have15:40
hikikosome issues with the matrix stack that are under investigation :p). Apart from this, I took some time to look at the black-dots bug and I tested 2 ideas, but none of the two fixed the bug, so I gave up for the moment.. eof15:40
willcookethanks hikiko15:40
willcookeWe should get to the csm work this week so might need some support on the shadows.  <-- Trevinho15:41
willcooke#topic Laney15:41
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hikikosure willcooke15:41
willcooke*csd15:41
Laney• Some testing and bug fixes to appstream/appstream-glib/gnome-software/appstream-dep11 - need to send out "please improve metadata" announcement (tomorrow)15:41
Laney• Help vila with bzr and plugins patching/sponsorship15:41
Laney• webkit2 transition - prepare final packages, upload these, in progress now15:41
Laney• gnome updates: eog (now in sync!) gvfs libproxy (wk2)15:41
Laney• apply gnome-calendar/uoa fixes in Debian, that autosynced15:41
Laney• some usual wrangling of autopkgtests15:41
Laney15:42
willcookethanks a lot Laney15:42
willcooke#topic qengho15:42
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willcookew/b qengho15:42
qenghoHey!15:43
qenghoNot much to report yet. Some zfs stuff this morning, and some more zdg-utils bug.15:43
qenghoThen, chromium snap and regular packaging. New release yesterday15:43
qenghoEOF15:43
willcookethanks qengho, sorry for the goose chase this morning.  I've done more testing and xdg open seems to be working fine.15:44
qenghoxdg, Yes. that.15:44
willcooke:)15:44
willcooke#topic seb12815:44
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seb128hey15:44
qenghowillcooke: Well, something is wrong. It's not an obvious one.15:44
seb128• some desktop updates (e-d-s, evo)15:44
seb128• helped a bit with packages blocked in xenial-proposed (libsunpinyin soname change, hsqldb1.8.0 ftfbs, ...)15:44
seb128• added an apport hook to fontconfig15:44
seb128• sponsoring (libreoffice)15:44
seb128• tested webkitgtk and gnome-software transitions15:44
seb128• debugged vlc/overlay-scrollbar xenial regression (turned out the qt patch to disable those was removed and should not)15:44
seb128• debugged/upstreamed some rhythmbox/gstreamer noise&segfault issues, then hit some other ones with daap and debugged a bit that as well15:44
seb128• working on software-properties "ask confirmation to enable proposed" changes15:44
seb128</week>15:44
seb128oh, also gnome-software's MIR has been approved15:44
willcooke\o/15:45
willcookethanks seb128 #15:45
seb128so we could start including it instead of software-center15:45
seb128(I guess once Laney's appstream fixes land)15:45
Laneyalready did15:45
Laneythere's a new version from upstream to test/include15:45
Laneybut this one is already ok15:45
seb128k, I didn't see an upload on -changes15:46
seb128weird15:46
seb128but thanks for fixing it ;-)15:46
Laneyappstream-glib15:46
seb128Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+changelog ... is that the wrong component?15:47
Laneyassuming I uploaded it15:47
seb128let's sort that out after the meeting15:47
seb128no need to discuss that here15:47
willcookethanks chaps15:47
seb128yw!15:47
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:47
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Sweet5hark- trusty and precise patch backports (sigh)15:47
Sweet5hark- some new insights into snapcraft build/toolchain weirdness and failure, still need more nailing down though15:47
Sweet5hark- ran circles to fix the autopkgtest fail, was a missing dependency in the test package15:47
Sweet5hark-- (I wasted way too much time on getting the test setup for the above unfortunately, will promise to not be this clumsy next time)15:47
Sweet5hark- upstream release and fix coordination (firefighting mode)15:47
Sweet5harkEOF15:47
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:48
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:48
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willcooke* Prepared changes to ubiquity and casper for new a11y profile work, still waiting for a11y-profile-manager to get into the archive so I can start landing other pieces and file an MIR... May have to file an FFE since we are getting close. All the coding is done, it just has to all be landed.15:48
willcooke* Still got to get Orca patched to work with gsettings out of the box, should be able to get that done in plenty of time.15:48
willcookelooks like we lost Till15:49
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:49
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Trevinho· prepared branches and landing for indicator-sound unity-lens-applications unity-lens-video unity-scope-· home doko patches for libgee-0.815:50
Trevinho· Some random fixes and improvements to unity theming15:50
Trevinho· Looking at improving the matching of steam games in BAMF (valve seems interested in that)15:50
Trevinho· Working on getting hikiko patch working with gtk apps.15:50
Trevinho /EOF15:50
willcookethanks Trevinho,15:50
willcookeare we on track to land csd fixes this week?15:50
Trevinhotrying to15:51
willcookethanks!15:51
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:51
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willcooke- GNOME Software work15:51
willcooke- simple-scan 3.19.90 release15:51
willcooke- At snappy sprint15:51
willcooke#topic willcooke15:51
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willcookeReviews!15:51
willcookeI'm going through my ones now.  Hoping to have them all done by EOW15:51
willcookeg-s herding15:52
willcookeI'm out at MWC next week15:52
willcookeall week15:52
willcookeSeb can be mother15:52
willcookeand then I'll get back on to theme fixes15:53
Trevinho:-)15:53
willcookein other news, I spilled Coke on my U key15:53
willcooke#topic any other business15:53
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Sweet5harkseb128: mother? are we there yet?15:53
willcookeSweet5hark, don't start, or he'll turn this channel around and we'll all go back home15:53
seb128lol15:53
attentewondering if we can upload maliit-inputcontext-gtk before FF?15:53
seb128attente, it's your lucky day, Laney is having his sponsoring shift today ;-)15:54
Laneyno15:54
attente:D15:54
attenteD:15:54
seb128unlucky!15:55
desrtrandom AOB aside:15:55
seb128do you have a bug in the sponsoring queue?15:55
desrtdoes anyone know a good way to bribe laney?15:55
Laneyhttps://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6k1e5rq45m1bdqq0n1ge3oqaok@group.calendar.google.com&gsessionid=OK15:55
Laneytomorrow15:55
attenteno, should i file one?15:55
Laneybut seriously if it's a new package15:55
* seb128 shakes the fist at eds15:56
Laneythat is not a simple sponsoring item15:56
seb128attente, that would be better15:56
attenteok15:56
seb128desrt, no, Laney is not to be bribed, he fights for what he thinks is right15:56
Laneywhat's right are fat wads of cash15:57
seb128:-)15:57
LaneyI want a canal boat15:57
* desrt thought so ;)15:57
Laneythat is right too15:57
seb128you can try to send some cats his way as well15:57
Laneyoh yeah, a trip to the cat boat in amsterdam15:57
Sweet5harkLaney: you get your canal boat right after my helicopter and when we all speak french to make seb happy15:58
seb128:-)15:58
seb128willcooke, I think it's a wrap? ;-)15:58
willcookethanks all15:58
willcooke#endmeeting15:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Feb 16 15:58:44 2016 UTC.15:58
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-16-15.31.moin.txt15:58
seb128thanks!15:58
Laneyoh yeah I'm uploading as-glib with the upstream patch nwo15:59
Laney;-)15:59
seb128haha15:59
seb128thanks ;-)15:59
seb128Laney, willcooke, do we feel ready to do the seed change or should we get a call for testing or another round of "try on a daily image" before?15:59
* Laney would prefer to defer to robert_ancell16:00
seb128it's going to have some rough edges still but we better switch now that wait for it to be perfect16:00
Laneygood to get it in before FF imho though16:00
seb128+116:00
willcookeyeah, before FF for sure, but I think let's see if Robert is happy (I think he will be)16:01
LaneyI'm off out for a bit, got to go rescue my bike and do some errands and also eat my face off since I skipped lunch16:01
willcookebon chance Laney16:02
* Laney is going to take a track pump on the bus16:02
Laneyprobably get me beaten up for being a weirdo16:02
Laneyso it's been nice knowing you all16:02
seb128Laney, have fun!16:04
qenghocking: Hi hi. What do you think of the patch here for zfs-linux? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/152772716:14
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]16:14
ckingqengho, i've not had time to get around to that, it's on my todo list16:15
qenghocking: I got feedback from pxtti. I'm trying a new approach this morning. This is uploaded 2 minuts ago: "Fix" zfs zpool, and make grub do less guessing.16:17
ckingqengho, indeed, that's why I've not got around to it yet, I will eyeball it, but I'm knee deep in other fs issues at the mo16:18
qenghocking: right. later.16:20
qenghocking, pitti: updated grub and zfs-linux debdiffs suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/152772717:09
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]17:09
* qengho food, brb17:11
seb128willcooke, want to "wget http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py; sudo cp SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/gtk/" and try to enable proposed from software-properties-gtk and tell me what you think?17:19
willcookeseb128, sure thing.  In a meeting, gimme an hour or so17:20
seb128no hurry, tomorrow works as well17:20
willcookeI'l have forgotten by then17:20
willcookemeh, "wlp3s0" is much less friendly than wlan017:21
willcookegrumble17:21
willcookeseb128, both buttons seem to cancel17:27
willcookei.e. "Enable" ==17:27
willcookesys:1: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.17:27
willcookeERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved17:27
willcookeERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved17:27
willcookeERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved17:27
Sweet5harkpitti: thx!17:28
pittiSweet5hark: ah, did it land now?17:28
pittiso it did17:29
Sweet5harkpitti: yep, and it did and surprise me when I updated in one of my VMs ;)17:29
seb128willcooke, hum, weird ... that error/callback is when the polkit auth fail, not to do with my change afaik17:29
willcookeseb128, ahhhh17:30
willcookeyou know what17:30
willcookeI'm running it over SSH and DISPLAY=:017:30
willcookelemme run it locally17:30
willcookesorry17:30
pittiSweet5hark: did it? it only published 14 minutes ago, i. e. it's probably not even on the mirrors yet17:30
willcookeseb128, works!17:31
willcookeseb128, ship it17:31
Sweet5harkpitti: hmm, maybe you're right, but it makes a better story ;) (I started libreoffice, was confused about a feature, looked up the version 5.1 and went to launchpad to look if it had landed).17:32
seb128willcooke, :-)17:32
seb128willcooke, k ;-) I'm merge proposed it as https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/dialog-enable-proposed/+merge/286213 and asked for review from Laney (I don't think mvo does much review on that project nowadays)17:39
seb128willcooke, feel free to +1 if you are fine with it17:39
willcookethanks seb128, I'll drop ara a quick note too17:39
seb128willcooke, thanks17:40
willcookeseb128, just pondering some text along the lines of17:42
willcooke"Enabling this repository may introduce instability"17:42
willcookeseb128, let me run it past John Lea17:43
seb128willcooke, feel free to suggest strings, I just copied the text from the wiki17:43
seb128oh, a robert_ancell ;-)17:46
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willcookehrm18:16
willcookelooks like someone is trying to hack in to my IRC account18:17
willcookelots of failed logins18:17
willcookepopey, around?18:17
qenghowillcooke: where do you see log-in count?18:22
popeywillcooke: for you, always18:23
willcookexx18:23
willcookeI see this:18:23
willcooke-NickServ- YOUHAVEGOODPW!~YOUHAVEGO@2001:67c:1350:104::20 failed to login to willcooke.  There have been 7 failed login18:23
willcookeshould I report it or something?18:23
popeymaybe ask in #freenode18:23
willcookethanks popey18:23
popeyoh18:24
popeyi see others talking about it in there right now18:24
popeythat channel is a right cesspit18:27
willcookeyeah, was gonna say18:28
willcookeI might as well have written my question on a Frisbee and flung it over a rainbow18:28
qenghowillcooke: That low is probably someone with a few passwords in search of accounts that use them. You should be safe if you have something hard to guess. If You are YOU.18:31
willcookemuha ha ha18:32
willcookegood call qengho, thx18:32
willcookethe old qengho hit and run ;)18:36
qenghowillcooke: almost certainly a troll, right?18:39
willcooke:)18:40
seb128have a good evening!18:43
willcookesee ya se18:52
willcookeoh18:52
willcookeit's the thought that counts18:52
Sweet5harksoo were is the launchpad project/DSCM etc. for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.xenial/desktop ?19:20
willcookedinner time, g'night all19:25
Sweet5hark(found it)19:45
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