[06:14] <didrocks> good morning
[06:28] <hikiko> hi
[06:28] <duflu> hihi
[06:28] <duflu> kiko
[06:29] <doko> didrocks, Laney: there's a bunch of desktopish packages which want to move to universe? Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[06:30] <pitti> Good morning
[06:33] <didrocks> doko: I don't think they are, better to check with the desktop guys. I'll just promote session-shorcuts though as now unity migrated to main
[06:33] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[06:36] <pitti> oh, consolekit wants to go out of main -- can we remove that at last?
[06:36]  * pitti goes through the rdepends
[06:40] <pitti> ah no, still some open tasks on bug 1502045
[06:40] <ubot5`> bug 1502045 in tcosmonitor (Ubuntu) "Move from consolekit to logind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502045
[08:53] <alexarnaud> hoy hoy hoy everybody !
[08:56] <willcooke> morning alexarnaud
[08:57] <didrocks> hey willcooke, alexarnaud!
[09:00] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[09:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:04] <Laney> morning
[09:04] <seb128> hey alexarnaud willcooke Laney
[09:04] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[09:04] <Laney> what's up!
[09:04] <didrocks> re seb128
[09:04] <didrocks> morning Laney!
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, tuesday starting with sun & blue sky, nice!
[09:05] <seb128> also weather was perfect for tennis yesterday (dry with no wind)
[09:06] <seb128> which was good for the match I had to play, I really enjoyed it (had a few frustating ones on previous weeks when it was very windy)
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, how about you?
[09:06] <Laney> yeah nice and clear here
[09:07] <Laney> looks a bit frosty outside :-o
[09:07] <Laney> my bike got a puncture last night so I had to leave it in the city centre :(
[09:07] <Laney> going to need to go retrieve/fix that later
[09:07] <seb128> urg
[09:08] <seb128> I hope nobody stole a part of the bike meanwhile ;-)
[09:08] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hey Laney!
[09:08] <seb128> salut pitti ! ça va bien ?
[09:08] <pitti> seb128: oui, et toi ?
[09:09] <seb128> très bien merci !
[09:09] <doko> seb128, Laney: there's a bunch of desktopish packages which want to move to universe? Is this all intended? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: are you aware of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnome-icon-theme ? it doesn't promote due to some uninstallability
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, let me look, probably my fault
[09:09] <seb128> I undid the split/-full since it's universe now and not on the CD
[09:10] <seb128> I bet there is something needing -full, let me fix it
[09:10] <Laney> good morning doko
[09:11] <seb128> hey doko
[09:11] <seb128> that list looks mostly fine yes
[09:11] <seb128> feels weird to see the telepathy stack going to universe
[09:11] <pitti> did LibO lose a lot of its java libs?
[09:11] <seb128> but good, a bunch less things we actively maintain
[09:11] <pitti> but a lot of it, like bacula/eclipse looks like server seed cleanup too
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, Bjoern doesn't seem to be on IRC yet, that's a question for him
[09:12] <willcooke> seb128, pitti - he's at the dentist this morning
[09:12] <seb128> k
[09:12] <seb128> doko, webkit2gtk should stay in main though
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, is going to start that transition
[09:13] <doko> still?
[09:13] <seb128> still?
[09:13] <doko> Laney, gm.
[09:14] <doko> I thought there are two webkits in main?
[09:14] <doko> and then there is texlive-extra, exchanging a set of font packages
[09:15] <seb128> doko, right, we are moving from webkitgtk to webkit2gtk, we prepromoted it with ack from the security team, it needed to build in main to drop some universe depends it had, next we are going to switch desktop components from the old version to this one and then demote the old one
[09:16] <Laney> I'll upload something in a bit to get it off your list :-)
[09:17] <seb128> :-)
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, do you know why we didn't get a xenial langpack update yesterday?
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: because I'm building a fresh -base one right now
[09:18] <seb128> hum, k
[09:18] <pitti> I'll re-enable the cronjob after that, of course
[09:18] <seb128> so we don't know if that bug dropping some .mo files was a one off or still an issue
[09:19] <seb128> did we loose the debugging context meanwhile?
[09:19] <seb128> or do we still have logs we can use to see what's going on?
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: I looked at the logs, and they weren't helpful
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: I kept the previous langpacks though, in case they are needed for examining this
[09:19] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:19] <pitti> but the -base refresh is overdue anyway
[09:19] <seb128> that bug is not new, some domains were dropped before holidays
[09:20] <seb128> and they came back
[09:20] <seb128> so it's on and off for some reasons
[09:20] <seb128> @base, ack!
[09:20] <meetingology> seb128: Error: "base," is not a valid command.
[09:20] <pitti> @ohshutupwillya
[09:20] <meetingology> pitti: Error: "ohshutupwillya" is not a valid command.
[09:20] <pitti> are we still in a meeting? :-)
[09:20] <pitti> #endmeeting
[09:21] <pitti> (ah, can't, only the person who started it can)
[09:23] <seb128> are we?
[09:23] <seb128> #endmeeting
[09:23] <seb128> willcooke, did you forget to stop our weekly meeting previous week? ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> or is meetingology just being noisy?
[09:24] <seb128> there is no topic from the bot so I would say we are not in meeting mode
[09:24] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[09:24] <seb128> the bot is just being dumb
[09:25] <seb128> so, feature freeze coming
[09:25] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, other: opinions on gnome-logs vs gnome-system-log?
[09:25] <seb128> others
[09:25] <seb128> that's one topic
[09:26] <seb128> the other one is "do we want to keep gnome-contacts installed by default"
[09:26] <seb128> it was until previous cycle but empathy was bringing it in and we demoted that one
[09:27] <willcooke> Gnome contacts, I don't think adds a lot of value any more without a mail client to use it
[09:27] <seb128> having a contacts/addressbook application seems nice on principle but maybe it's only me who think that
[09:27] <seb128> well, it lists your google contacts
[09:28] <seb128> so it might be handy if you want to look for somebody's address or phone number
[09:28] <seb128> but yeah, maybe people do that online
[09:28] <willcooke> I expect most people to use a browser
[09:28] <seb128> k, wfm
[09:28] <didrocks> (I'm a people, and yeah, they do :p)
[09:28] <willcooke> heh
[09:28] <seb128> lol
[09:28] <seb128> people are weird
[09:28] <didrocks> heh
[09:28] <seb128> on their phone they use the app
[09:29] <seb128> why do they behave differently on 2 devices which are not that different? ;-)
[09:29] <didrocks> I guess it's because the webapps are not (yet?) up to par for most of them
[09:29] <didrocks> in term of perfs, system integration and such
[09:29] <seb128> right, same on the desktop, the app is more integrated and easier to start
[09:29] <Laney> gnome-contacts doesn't integrate with things anywhere near as well as the phone contact things do
[09:30] <seb128> I guess that statement is true now without empathy
[09:30] <seb128> I would have argued otherwise if we still had it
[09:30] <seb128> you could message or video call directly
[09:31] <seb128> same as on a phone
[09:31] <seb128> but yeah, we lack apps that plug into it now
[09:31] <Laney> yes if we were in a world where IM existed
[09:31] <seb128> k, so I guess it's a consensus to stop using it
[09:31] <Laney> on a phone you are in a world where the integrations are useful
[09:31] <Laney> imho anyway
[09:31] <seb128> yeah
[09:31] <seb128> I would still find it useful if you could e.g start an hangout directly from it
[09:32] <seb128> but I don't think you can
[09:32] <seb128> k, so that's decided
[09:32] <seb128> what about the logs?
[09:33] <willcooke> yeah.  I think people like Facebook, Google etc have worked to try and keep your contacts in "their" system separate so you choose one platform (Facebook, Google, whatever) and stick with it
[09:33] <seb128> I find the gnome-logs interfacing making it more difficult to see the logs content, the content is too small, you only see partial lines, easier to have a glance to the log in gnome-log-viewer imho
[09:33] <willcooke> lemme look at the differences re: logs
[09:34] <seb128> but maybe we could do some easy tweaks to make it better
[09:34] <seb128> or maybe it's only me ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> willcooke, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/log.png
[09:36] <seb128> that's gnome-logs on the left and gnome-system-log on the right
[09:36] <seb128> also I resized gnome-log because it opens smaller which makes for even less content (but that would be easy to change)
[09:38] <willcooke> thx seb128
[09:38] <willcooke> looking
[09:40] <seb128> in fact I think the gnome-logs way doesn't work well for how I read log, it split every line in a list item which you can click to get that line detailed view, but I don't find the detailed view to bring more, it just seem less efficient to have things splitted like that
[09:40] <willcooke> does syslog have the tabs as well, or is it just syslog?
[09:41] <seb128> "tabs"?
[09:41] <willcooke> on the left hand window, you have a pane with important, system, security etc
[09:41] <seb128> ah
[09:41] <seb128> gnome-logs has those categories and it uses the systemd journal
[09:42] <seb128> gnome-system-logs lists different known log files
[09:42] <willcooke> ah, I see
[09:42] <seb128> like xorg.0.log
[09:42] <seb128> syslog
[09:43] <willcooke> well, I'm probably living in the past here, but I prefer seeing syslog, xorg, etc as separate logs
[09:47] <seb128> same here
[09:47] <seb128> willcooke, any opinion on the readability of both?
[09:47] <willcooke> I prefer the one on the right
[09:47] <willcooke> more compact
[09:47] <seb128> k
[09:47] <willcooke> what about you?
[09:47] <seb128> same
[09:47] <willcooke> :)
[09:48] <seb128> you have content on screen and can read through the log
[09:48] <willcooke> yeah, easier to scan
[09:48] <seb128> on the left one I've the feeling I only have portion of the info
[09:48] <seb128> which is less easy to read
[09:48] <seb128> k, I guess gnome-logs might be nice once we have proper journal use
[09:49] <seb128> but it's not the case atm, we still have other logs around, the logs are not classified/tagged as well they could, etc
[09:49] <seb128> so let's keep the old one for this cycle (the one on the right on the screenshot)?
[09:54] <willcooke> agreed
[09:54] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:56] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: what was an example of a missing domain?
[10:37] <pitti> (langpacks)
[10:41] <seb128> pitti, eog evolution-3.18 evolution-data-server-3.18
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[10:42] <seb128> yw
[10:42]  * pitti uploads the new packs then
[10:42] <seb128> \o/
[11:11] <desrt> hello peeps
[11:12] <willcooke> morning desrt
[11:15] <willcooke> just going for an early lunch, getting a hair cut
[11:15] <Laney> grade 0 all over
[11:15] <Laney> hi desrt!
[11:15] <desrt> morning laney :)
[11:15] <Laney> what is new
[11:15] <desrt> willcooke: pics!
[11:15]  * desrt is poking the glib release
[11:15] <hikiko|ln> Hi desrt + bbiab
[11:16] <desrt> hikiko|ln: g'morn
[11:18] <Laney> release day is my favourite day
[11:18] <desrt> yesterday was release day, in fact
[11:18] <desrt> but it was also a holiday
[11:25] <Laney> time for tea then some webkit2 uploads
[11:25] <Laney> eXcItInG
[11:26] <Saviq> seb128, hey, I noticed you guys reverted nautilus a few days ago, now my icons are small at Ctrl+0, when I Ctrl+=, they get bigger (as I'm used to them), but spacing gets huge, that expected? https://imgur.com/a/yU4vu
[11:34] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:45] <desrt> Sweet5hark: hello.
[11:50] <alexarnaud> didrocks, willcooke, seb128 : how are you ?
[11:51] <alexarnaud> Sorry for the late, I'm not able to work on task and read IRC ^^
[12:03] <Mirv> seb128: can you verify the fix for the overlay scrollbar issue easily, before I copy the built packages to xenial-proposed?
[12:03] <Mirv> PPA at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-031
[12:18] <doko> Sweet5hark, do we need that for xenial? if yes, please write a short MIR
[12:18] <doko> o fonts-stix: fonts-stix
[12:18] <doko>    [Reverse-Recommends: libreoffice-common (MAIN)]
[12:19]  * Sweet5hark checks
[12:22] <Sweet5hark> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1487148 <- can we just reuse this one for the MIR
[12:22] <Sweet5hark> ?
[12:22] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1487148 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please replace xfonts-mathml with fonts-stix in recommends" [High,Fix released]
[12:22] <doko> sure, just open a new task
[12:37] <seb128> Mirv, hey, sure, thanks for working on that
[12:37] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark desrt Saviq
[12:38] <seb128> Saviq, @spacing, yes, it's how it was before ... I've to say I sort of got used to the new layout and it felt weird going back to the old one with that much spacing
[12:38] <seb128> same for you it seems ;-)
[12:39] <seb128> Saviq, the small icons ... I think the new version wrote the change you made as default, you need to go in preferences and set that back to 100%
[12:39] <willcooke> yeah, spacing looks like that on 14.04 too.  In fact, I just measured it with a ruler, and it is the same
[12:39] <willcooke> :)
[12:40] <seb128> :-)
[12:42] <Saviq> willcooke, seb128, ok... I would've sworn I had one more column, but hey... seb128 changing the default helped, thanks!
[12:42] <seb128> yw!
[12:43] <seb128> Saviq, random internet screenshot from an old serie, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ptcrk3Lk4cQ/UAbJ4F7F2bI/AAAAAAAAJVI/iIMGfqpvK_8/s1600/nautilus-3.5.4-ubuntu12.10.png
[12:43] <seb128> Saviq, seems similar
[12:44] <seb128> but yeah, the tighter spacing was nice
[12:44] <seb128> just didn't play well with zoom level so they locked down to less values
[12:44] <Saviq> seb128, ah, so you mean that new nautilus had it tighter? that might be
[12:44] <seb128> Saviq, yes
[12:45] <seb128> it makes a big difference
[12:45] <seb128> Saviq, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Hym4q2km_Zo/VmAHNvy2Q2I/AAAAAAAAINU/8Hzsp_9kIPQ/w1680-h1050/wolo.png
[12:45] <seb128> Saviq, or better, http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-older-nautilus-due-to-bugs-and-menubar-499962-2.jpg
[12:46] <Saviq> seb128, that's probably just it, then - I got used to the new spacing within the few days I had it :)
[12:46] <seb128> so yeah, old nautilus looks like lot of uneeded spaces
[12:46] <seb128> right
[12:46] <seb128> same here
[12:46] <seb128> it is better, I would have applied that change to the old version, if it was playing nicely with the zoom levels
[12:46] <seb128> which it's not, the text overlap icons and don't wrap as it should
[12:46] <seb128> which is why they limited to big icons
[12:52] <seb128> Mirv, confirmed it fixes it, thanks!
[12:53] <Mirv> seb128: thanks for testing!
[12:53] <seb128> yw!
[12:54] <seb128> willcooke, ^ btw, fix on its way for the qt/o-s issue discussed yesterday
[12:56] <willcooke> Saw that, thanks a lot seb128 & Mirv
[12:57] <seb128> yw!
[12:58] <seb128> pitti, did you say you would override the libreoffice autopkg to let it in?
[12:58] <seb128> (seems to still be blocked)
[12:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did you get anywhere debugging the issue, I think you said you could reproduce yesterday?
[13:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, got adt-run to fail, Im in a shell in that machine right now. not more yet unfortunately ...
[13:01] <seb128> k, no worry
[13:05] <hikiko> I forgot to change my status after lunch \m/ :p
[13:05] <seb128> hey hikiko!
[13:05] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[13:11] <Sweet5hark> that I need to tmux inside a qemu instance to debug a test just feels so wrong ...
[13:12] <Sweet5hark> 1 tmux window for running libreoffice under gdb and 1 tmux window to start the out-of-process java test connecting to it ...
[13:22] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I tired to use $ubuntu-bug linux to open my bug report, but the web browser never opened into the bug report page :/
[13:22] <rickspencer3> what's a good way for me to open the bug report?
[13:22] <willcooke> rickspencer3, what's your default browser?  Chromium?  There's a bug there atm
[13:22] <rickspencer3> willcooke, Chromium, yes
[13:23] <rickspencer3> willcooke, so, temporarily change my browser to FF and try again?
[13:23] <willcooke> ^H^H^H yes please
[13:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[13:24] <rickspencer3> will do later, after my calls
[13:25] <willcooke> thanks rickspencer3
[13:26] <seb128> willcooke, do we have a bug report about that?
[13:26] <rickspencer3> you know you are a systematic team when your bug reporting tool has bug reports
[13:28] <willcooke> :)
[13:28] <willcooke> seb128, pretty sure we do, looking now...
[13:32] <rickspencer3> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1546092
[13:32] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1546092 in linux (Ubuntu) "computer freezes frequently" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:33] <willcooke> thanks rickspencer3
[13:33] <rickspencer3> let me know if there is anything I can add
[13:33] <willcooke> will do, I will ask the kernel team to look first since I think that's where the problem lies
[13:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the root cause of the fail is simple enough: a package missing from the test env
[13:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, which one? that should have been easy to reproduce in a pbuilder/minimal chroot env?
[13:36] <pitti> seb128: I didn't see a final yay or nay on that, but can do
[13:37] <willcooke> rickspencer3, I've added your kernel.log file and a comment to the bug report
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, oh sorry, Sweet5hark said "yes please" and I +1ed it ... so yes, please override those, it's not an actual code bug just an env problem (which it seems Sweet5hark just figured out)
[13:38] <rickspencer3> willcooke, ok, I can pull another one whenever
[13:38] <rickspencer3> I just have to keep using the computer
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: okay, done
[13:39] <willcooke> rickspencer3, if you have time, it would be interesting to see if a live 14.04 session from a USB stick has issues as well.  That could (in theory) immediately point to a hardware issue, bad RAM perhaps.  But this is a guess on my part.
[13:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb was missing. I still have look why. Here is what I assume: rene split that out of some other package or renamed and as the dependencies of the autopackage test are manually maintained, they didnt include it ...
[13:39] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:39] <rickspencer3> bad RAM seems like an unlikely scenario
[13:40] <rickspencer3> willcooke, ok, I'll see if I can make such a USB stick and try it if the kernel team doesn't see anything obvious
[13:40] <willcooke> rickspencer3, ack, thx
[13:40] <seb128> kernel team is likely going to first ask to try with some newer kernel from a ppa or such
[13:40] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still weird that libreoffice-base is even installable without libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb. OTOH, strictly speaking you can use base without hsqldb (when you only use it as a frontend to e.g. postgres). I will recheck those deps though.
[13:41] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, good that you figured it out in any case!
[13:42] <willcooke> seb128, humm.  I can't find a bug re: xdg-open.  But it's working for me on this fresh 16.04 machine.  I've mailed Chad to see what he says
[13:42] <seb128> k
[13:43] <seb128> willcooke, there is bug #1517956 assigned to Chad but I don't know if that would lead to that issue since there is no description or the user experience issue created
[13:43] <ubot5`> bug 1517956 in Xdg-utils "xdg-settings (used to) assume desktop files have exactly one Exec line" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517956
[13:46] <willcooke> seb128, hrm... well I just tried ubuntu-bug (against unity, sorry Trevinho ;) ) and it worked as expected
[13:46] <willcooke> and got an email from chad saying it was fixed a few weeks ago
[13:46] <willcooke> so....
[13:46] <willcooke> ?
[13:46] <Trevinho> :)
[13:47] <seb128> willcooke, weird
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you?
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, not too bad :)
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: you?
[13:48] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[14:41] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, got any chence to check that zeitgeist patch I did (upstart side, as seb128 was saying)?
[14:47] <Laney> Trevinho: I forgot, let me look again later or tomorrow
[14:49] <Trevinho> Laney: np, thanks
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, hum, my unity doesn't match nautilus (like I've a window open and it's not in alt-tab/matching the launcher icon) ... what sort of debug info would be useful? I didn't have such issues for ages, I wonder if that's a bug with the new nautilus integration code
[15:01] <Trevinho> seb128: indeed it is related to that....
[15:03] <seb128> you noticed the issue as well/got other reports?
[15:03] <Trevinho> Mh, actually I forgot to add some debuggin statements around -_-
[15:03] <Trevinho> seb128: I had once, but I thought I had fixed...
[15:04] <Trevinho> seb128: do you have some external devices / partitions there?
[15:04] <Trevinho> seb128: also the nautilus window was opened on ~/ ?
[15:13] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't have external device/partitions atm
[15:13] <seb128> I had my phone connected earlier though
[15:14] <seb128> when I click the launcher icon it opens on ~ by default
[15:14] <seb128> but I can browse any subdir it makes no difference
[15:14] <seb128> nautilus is always missing from alt-tab/not matched in the launcher
[15:14] <Trevinho> seb128: weeeird... Can you do a test build with some debugging code in FileManagerLauncherIcon::IsLocationManaged ?
[15:14] <seb128> well in that session, I didn't try restarting unity/bamf but I guess that's going to fix it
[15:14] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, if I'm ever able to reproduce
[15:14] <seb128> it's a one time thing atm
[15:23] <Trevinho> ouch
[15:23] <seb128> ?
[15:24] <Trevinho> seb128: well, restarting bamf shouldn't fix it
[15:25] <Trevinho> seb128: the content of the dbus-property of nautilus XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids is right?
[15:26] <seb128> Trevinho, I didn't try restarting bamf or anything
[15:26] <seb128> I didn't want to screw debug state
[15:27] <Trevinho> yeah, that was a good move...
[15:27] <Trevinho> If only I included the debugging bits in there!!!! :-@
[15:27] <seb128> haha, do it now for next time somebody hits the bug
[15:29] <seb128> Trevinho, where is XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids?
[15:29] <Trevinho> seb128: on nautilus filemanager dbus api
[15:29] <seb128>  /org/freedesktop/FileManager1 has an OpenLocations
[15:29] <seb128> but that's it
[15:29] <seb128> no XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids
[15:30] <willcooke> oh, it's time already
[15:31] <seb128> yeah
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-16
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 16 15:31:17 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <Trevinho> seb128: later, but it's a property...
[15:31] <Trevinho> seb128: also you've libxpathselect1.4 installed?
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (hols), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:32] <dgadomski> o/
[15:32] <hikiko> hu
[15:32] <hikiko> hi
[15:32] <happyaron> hey
[15:32] <desrt> word up
[15:32] <desrt> attente is here, but he is working very hard
[15:33] <seb128> hey
[15:33] <desrt> he's also using some weird irc client
[15:33] <attente> i get notifications on the desktop now \o/
[15:33] <willcooke> lets roll
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> gnome-software ubuntu-one authentication
[15:34] <attente> gtk menus.....
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks very much for all your help last week attente
[15:34] <willcooke> much appreciated, and very good job
[15:34] <attente> np!
[15:35] <willcooke> attente, just sent an update email from a meeting I just had.  Might be some new stuff to work with pete-woods on, but we will see what RObert reports back
[15:35] <attente> willcooke: sure, thanks
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hey.  had a pretty short week.
[15:36] <desrt> did a glib release this morning
[15:36] <desrt> and digging at bugs
[15:36] <desrt> working on the --app-id thing for gapplication again, since it is coming up in context of xdg-app
[15:36] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <attente> helping me with threading issues
[15:36] <willcooke> :)
[15:36] <desrt> lol
[15:36] <desrt> threading^Wrefcounting
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt, hope your travels were refreshing
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> * backported a fix to bug #1545750, it has been released today
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1545750 in samba (Debian) "Access denied if the share path is "/"" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545750
[15:37] <dgadomski> * got some time to return to fixing bug #1125442, no results to share yet, however
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1125442 in Compiz 0.9.11 "Always Visible and On Top Windows Steal Focus on Workspace Switch" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125442
[15:37] <dgadomski> * investigating bug #1545302, can't reproduce it on Xenial, trying to reproduce on Wily to make sure Xenial already has the fix
[15:37] <ubot5`> bug 1545302 in wpa (Ubuntu) "wpa-roam broken by fix for ifupdown #1337873" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545302
[15:37] <dgadomski> (eof)
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks a lot dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:37] <willcooke> let me know if you need help testing etc
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> Happy new year happyaron!
[15:38] <happyaron> hey ty!
[15:38] <happyaron> * Was on holidays most of the time
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <happyaron> * Fixing the crashed canonistack vm (crap died again
[15:38] <happyaron> * Ubuntu Kylin updates/seeds
[15:39] <happyaron> * Random package updates at Debian (ocserv, radcli, etc)
[15:39] <happyaron> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:40] <hikiko> ezoom: I did some work and fixes on nux (the compiz part is ready). The main issue I have is related to the order of nux transformations. There are transformations like translations and others that take place in several places and make the scaled components appear misplaced if the scaling is performed before they are applied so I have to store the scaled modelview matrices and make sure that they are used at the right time (and there I have
[15:40] <hikiko> some issues with the matrix stack that are under investigation :p). Apart from this, I took some time to look at the black-dots bug and I tested 2 ideas, but none of the two fixed the bug, so I gave up for the moment.. eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> We should get to the csm work this week so might need some support on the shadows.  <-- Trevinho
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <hikiko> sure willcooke
[15:41] <willcooke> *csd
[15:41] <Laney> • Some testing and bug fixes to appstream/appstream-glib/gnome-software/appstream-dep11 - need to send out "please improve metadata" announcement (tomorrow)
[15:41] <Laney> • Help vila with bzr and plugins patching/sponsorship
[15:41] <Laney> • webkit2 transition - prepare final packages, upload these, in progress now
[15:41] <Laney> • gnome updates: eog (now in sync!) gvfs libproxy (wk2)
[15:41] <Laney> • apply gnome-calendar/uoa fixes in Debian, that autosynced
[15:41] <Laney> • some usual wrangling of autopkgtests
[15:42] <Laney> ⍨
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:42] <willcooke> w/b qengho
[15:43] <qengho> Hey!
[15:43] <qengho> Not much to report yet. Some zfs stuff this morning, and some more zdg-utils bug.
[15:43] <qengho> Then, chromium snap and regular packaging. New release yesterday
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks qengho, sorry for the goose chase this morning.  I've done more testing and xdg open seems to be working fine.
[15:44] <qengho> xdg, Yes. that.
[15:44] <willcooke> :)
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:44] <seb128> hey
[15:44] <qengho> willcooke: Well, something is wrong. It's not an obvious one.
[15:44] <seb128> • some desktop updates (e-d-s, evo)
[15:44] <seb128> • helped a bit with packages blocked in xenial-proposed (libsunpinyin soname change, hsqldb1.8.0 ftfbs, ...)
[15:44] <seb128> • added an apport hook to fontconfig
[15:44] <seb128> • sponsoring (libreoffice)
[15:44] <seb128> • tested webkitgtk and gnome-software transitions
[15:44] <seb128> • debugged vlc/overlay-scrollbar xenial regression (turned out the qt patch to disable those was removed and should not)
[15:44] <seb128> • debugged/upstreamed some rhythmbox/gstreamer noise&segfault issues, then hit some other ones with daap and debugged a bit that as well
[15:44] <seb128> • working on software-properties "ask confirmation to enable proposed" changes
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[15:44] <seb128> oh, also gnome-software's MIR has been approved
[15:45] <willcooke> \o/
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128 #
[15:45] <seb128> so we could start including it instead of software-center
[15:45] <seb128> (I guess once Laney's appstream fixes land)
[15:45] <Laney> already did
[15:45] <Laney> there's a new version from upstream to test/include
[15:45] <Laney> but this one is already ok
[15:46] <seb128> k, I didn't see an upload on -changes
[15:46] <seb128> weird
[15:46] <seb128> but thanks for fixing it ;-)
[15:46] <Laney> appstream-glib
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+changelog ... is that the wrong component?
[15:47] <Laney> assuming I uploaded it
[15:47] <seb128> let's sort that out after the meeting
[15:47] <seb128> no need to discuss that here
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[15:47] <seb128> yw!
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - trusty and precise patch backports (sigh)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some new insights into snapcraft build/toolchain weirdness and failure, still need more nailing down though
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - ran circles to fix the autopkgtest fail, was a missing dependency in the test package
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> -- (I wasted way too much time on getting the test setup for the above unfortunately, will promise to not be this clumsy next time)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - upstream release and fix coordination (firefighting mode)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * Prepared changes to ubiquity and casper for new a11y profile work, still waiting for a11y-profile-manager to get into the archive so I can start landing other pieces and file an MIR... May have to file an FFE since we are getting close. All the coding is done, it just has to all be landed.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Still got to get Orca patched to work with gsettings out of the box, should be able to get that done in plenty of time.
[15:49] <willcooke> looks like we lost Till
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:50] <Trevinho> · prepared branches and landing for indicator-sound unity-lens-applications unity-lens-video unity-scope-· home doko patches for libgee-0.8
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Some random fixes and improvements to unity theming
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Looking at improving the matching of steam games in BAMF (valve seems interested in that)
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Working on getting hikiko patch working with gtk apps.
[15:50] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho,
[15:50] <willcooke> are we on track to land csd fixes this week?
[15:51] <Trevinho> trying to
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks!
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:51] <willcooke> - GNOME Software work
[15:51] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.19.90 release
[15:51] <willcooke> - At snappy sprint
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[15:51] <willcooke> Reviews!
[15:51] <willcooke> I'm going through my ones now.  Hoping to have them all done by EOW
[15:52] <willcooke> g-s herding
[15:52] <willcooke> I'm out at MWC next week
[15:52] <willcooke> all week
[15:52] <willcooke> Seb can be mother
[15:53] <willcooke> and then I'll get back on to theme fixes
[15:53] <Trevinho> :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> in other news, I spilled Coke on my U key
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> seb128: mother? are we there yet?
[15:53] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, don't start, or he'll turn this channel around and we'll all go back home
[15:53] <seb128> lol
[15:53] <attente> wondering if we can upload maliit-inputcontext-gtk before FF?
[15:54] <seb128> attente, it's your lucky day, Laney is having his sponsoring shift today ;-)
[15:54] <Laney> no
[15:54] <attente> :D
[15:54] <attente> D:
[15:55] <seb128> unlucky!
[15:55] <desrt> random AOB aside:
[15:55] <seb128> do you have a bug in the sponsoring queue?
[15:55] <desrt> does anyone know a good way to bribe laney?
[15:55] <Laney> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6k1e5rq45m1bdqq0n1ge3oqaok@group.calendar.google.com&gsessionid=OK
[15:55] <Laney> tomorrow
[15:55] <attente> no, should i file one?
[15:55] <Laney> but seriously if it's a new package
[15:56]  * seb128 shakes the fist at eds
[15:56] <Laney> that is not a simple sponsoring item
[15:56] <seb128> attente, that would be better
[15:56] <attente> ok
[15:56] <seb128> desrt, no, Laney is not to be bribed, he fights for what he thinks is right
[15:57] <Laney> what's right are fat wads of cash
[15:57] <seb128> :-)
[15:57] <Laney> I want a canal boat
[15:57]  * desrt thought so ;)
[15:57] <Laney> that is right too
[15:57] <seb128> you can try to send some cats his way as well
[15:57] <Laney> oh yeah, a trip to the cat boat in amsterdam
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> Laney: you get your canal boat right after my helicopter and when we all speak french to make seb happy
[15:58] <seb128> :-)
[15:58] <seb128> willcooke, I think it's a wrap? ;-)
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:58] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 15:58:44 2016 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-16-15.31.moin.txt
[15:58] <seb128> thanks!
[15:59] <Laney> oh yeah I'm uploading as-glib with the upstream patch nwo
[15:59] <Laney> ;-)
[15:59] <seb128> haha
[15:59] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, do we feel ready to do the seed change or should we get a call for testing or another round of "try on a daily image" before?
[16:00]  * Laney would prefer to defer to robert_ancell
[16:00] <seb128> it's going to have some rough edges still but we better switch now that wait for it to be perfect
[16:00] <Laney> good to get it in before FF imho though
[16:00] <seb128> +1
[16:01] <willcooke> yeah, before FF for sure, but I think let's see if Robert is happy (I think he will be)
[16:01] <Laney> I'm off out for a bit, got to go rescue my bike and do some errands and also eat my face off since I skipped lunch
[16:02] <willcooke> bon chance Laney
[16:02]  * Laney is going to take a track pump on the bus
[16:02] <Laney> probably get me beaten up for being a weirdo
[16:02] <Laney> so it's been nice knowing you all
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[16:14] <qengho> cking: Hi hi. What do you think of the patch here for zfs-linux? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1527727
[16:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]
[16:15] <cking> qengho, i've not had time to get around to that, it's on my todo list
[16:17] <qengho> cking: I got feedback from pxtti. I'm trying a new approach this morning. This is uploaded 2 minuts ago: "Fix" zfs zpool, and make grub do less guessing.
[16:18] <cking> qengho, indeed, that's why I've not got around to it yet, I will eyeball it, but I'm knee deep in other fs issues at the mo
[16:20] <qengho> cking: right. later.
[17:09] <qengho> cking, pitti: updated grub and zfs-linux debdiffs suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1527727
[17:09] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1527727 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe for zfs assumes all devices prefix with /dev, ignoring /dev/disk/..." [Medium,In progress]
[17:11]  * qengho food, brb
[17:19] <seb128> willcooke, want to "wget http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py; sudo cp SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/gtk/" and try to enable proposed from software-properties-gtk and tell me what you think?
[17:20] <willcooke> seb128, sure thing.  In a meeting, gimme an hour or so
[17:20] <seb128> no hurry, tomorrow works as well
[17:20] <willcooke> I'l have forgotten by then
[17:21] <willcooke> meh, "wlp3s0" is much less friendly than wlan0
[17:21] <willcooke> grumble
[17:27] <willcooke> seb128, both buttons seem to cancel
[17:27] <willcooke> i.e. "Enable" ==
[17:27] <willcooke> sys:1: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:27] <willcooke> ERROR:root:Authentication canceled, changes have not been saved
[17:28] <Sweet5hark> pitti: thx!
[17:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ah, did it land now?
[17:29] <pitti> so it did
[17:29] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yep, and it did and surprise me when I updated in one of my VMs ;)
[17:29] <seb128> willcooke, hum, weird ... that error/callback is when the polkit auth fail, not to do with my change afaik
[17:30] <willcooke> seb128, ahhhh
[17:30] <willcooke> you know what
[17:30] <willcooke> I'm running it over SSH and DISPLAY=:0
[17:30] <willcooke> lemme run it locally
[17:30] <willcooke> sorry
[17:30] <pitti> Sweet5hark: did it? it only published 14 minutes ago, i. e. it's probably not even on the mirrors yet
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, works!
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, ship it
[17:32] <Sweet5hark> pitti: hmm, maybe you're right, but it makes a better story ;) (I started libreoffice, was confused about a feature, looked up the version 5.1 and went to launchpad to look if it had landed).
[17:32] <seb128> willcooke, :-)
[17:39] <seb128> willcooke, k ;-) I'm merge proposed it as https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/dialog-enable-proposed/+merge/286213 and asked for review from Laney (I don't think mvo does much review on that project nowadays)
[17:39] <seb128> willcooke, feel free to +1 if you are fine with it
[17:39] <willcooke> thanks seb128, I'll drop ara a quick note too
[17:40] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[17:42] <willcooke> seb128, just pondering some text along the lines of
[17:42] <willcooke> "Enabling this repository may introduce instability"
[17:43] <willcooke> seb128, let me run it past John Lea
[17:43] <seb128> willcooke, feel free to suggest strings, I just copied the text from the wiki
[17:46] <seb128> oh, a robert_ancell ;-)
[18:16] <willcooke> hrm
[18:17] <willcooke> looks like someone is trying to hack in to my IRC account
[18:17] <willcooke> lots of failed logins
[18:17] <willcooke> popey, around?
[18:22] <qengho> willcooke: where do you see log-in count?
[18:23] <popey> willcooke: for you, always
[18:23] <willcooke> xx
[18:23] <willcooke> I see this:
[18:23] <willcooke> -NickServ- YOUHAVEGOODPW!~YOUHAVEGO@2001:67c:1350:104::20 failed to login to willcooke.  There have been 7 failed login
[18:23] <willcooke> should I report it or something?
[18:23] <popey> maybe ask in #freenode
[18:23] <willcooke> thanks popey
[18:24] <popey> oh
[18:24] <popey> i see others talking about it in there right now
[18:27] <popey> that channel is a right cesspit
[18:28] <willcooke> yeah, was gonna say
[18:28] <willcooke> I might as well have written my question on a Frisbee and flung it over a rainbow
[18:31] <qengho> willcooke: That low is probably someone with a few passwords in search of accounts that use them. You should be safe if you have something hard to guess. If You are YOU.
[18:32] <willcooke> muha ha ha
[18:32] <willcooke> good call qengho, thx
[18:36] <willcooke> the old qengho hit and run ;)
[18:39] <qengho> willcooke: almost certainly a troll, right?
[18:40] <willcooke> :)
[18:43] <seb128> have a good evening!
[18:52] <willcooke> see ya se
[18:52] <willcooke> oh
[18:52] <willcooke> it's the thought that counts
[19:20] <Sweet5hark> soo were is the launchpad project/DSCM etc. for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.xenial/desktop ?
[19:25] <willcooke> dinner time, g'night all
[19:45] <Sweet5hark> (found it)