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pittiGood morning07:06
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seb128good morning desktopers08:49
willcookemorning seb12808:49
pittibonjour seb128 !08:49
pittihey willcooke08:49
willcookeg'morn pitti08:50
seb128hey willcooke pitti08:52
Sweet5hark1Happy Birthday, the Document Foundation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkkZ64hJJA09:07
seb128hey Laney Sweet5hark109:07
seb128Sweet5hark1, ;-)09:07
seb128Sweet5hark1, so, I updated libreoffice in xenial and now my menus are not integrated in unity anymore ... known issue?09:09
ksamakhey all09:17
Sweet5hark1seb128: yes, because we install libreoffice-gtk3 in the default. That sneaked in as a dependency from Debian. Already fixed locally.09:18
alexarnaudhoy all!09:18
alexarnaudseb128, didrocks: is xorg-gtest specific to Ubuntu ? I cannot find anything about it in Debian repo09:19
Sweet5hark1seb128: The fix is to not continue to build libreoffice-gtk3, but not install it by default. This is what we did before.09:19
seb128hey alexarnaud09:20
seb128Laney, did you get your bike back?09:20
seb128Sweet5hark1, oh ok ... why is gtk3 not having integrated menus? ;-)09:20
seb128Laney, oh? :-(09:20
LaneyI broke the new inner tube09:21
Laney*or* it was already broken09:21
Laneybut more likely that I did it09:21
willcookebut the bike was there?09:21
Sweet5hark1seb128: There will be some fallout from people running prerelease xenial, who will have libreoffice-gtk3 installed now. But people installing fresh from media or update postrelease should be unaffected, once the fixed package is there.09:21
seb128Sweet5hark1, k09:21
Laneyfixed the puncture this morning09:21
Laneyso another trip out to the station tonight ...09:21
Sweet5hark1seb128: (that "fallout" is actually not too bad: We also need _some_ people to test libreoffice-gtk3)09:22
seb128so you didn't reply at the "why is gtk3 not having integrated menus"09:22
seb128I though you got that working at the london sprint?09:23
alexarnaudseb128: I've find more things on freedesktop, it seems I need to investigate09:23
Sweet5hark1seb128: as for the gtk3 doesnt have unity menu: yes, that was fixed in london. And apparently regressed upstream -- havent looked into that yet.09:23
seb128alexarnaud, it seems like that simply nobody packaged it for Debian09:25
seb128Sweet5hark1, ok09:25
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alexarnaudseb128: OK, I see09:26
seb128Sweet5hark1, also, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/libreoffice.png ... is the text on the left pane supposed to be that big?09:26
alexarnaudseb128: Did you know the link with Compiz ? I see it in Compiz dep.09:26
seb128alexarnaud, it's used for tests09:26
alexarnaudseb128: Ok, I'll learn more about it. Thanks a lot for your time09:27
seb128alexarnaud, just curious, but what are you working on?09:27
Sweet5hark1seb128: FWIW, I also have a MIR we should punch through: ucpp. In total, we have: 1/ fix autopkgtests 2/ build libreoffice-style-elementary too from new upstream 3/ continue building libreoffice-gtk3, build dont deploy in default 4/ MIR ucpp instead of using bundled09:27
alexarnaudI'm working on porting Compiz from Ubuntu to Debian09:28
seb128Sweet5hark1, k, seems like a good todo ;-)09:28
Sweet5hark1seb128: So far libreoffice-gtk3 is worked on by some core hacker, I dont think he cares too much about finer UX/design things there (yet)09:29
seb128alexarnaud, are you just interested by having compiz in Debian as an user? or do you plan to build something on it? wouldn't be easier to build whatever you are doing on Ubuntu?09:29
alexarnaudseb128: It seems that everything work good but I've dropped gtest but I need to check if it essentiels or not to keep it in the final package09:29
seb128yeah, it's not a runtine thing09:29
seb128doesn't impact on how compiz works09:29
seb128Sweet5hark1, I uninstalled gtk3, see the menus are not there :p09:29
seb128Sweet5hark1, it's a screenshot of the gtk2 version, the sidebar text feels big09:30
alexarnaudseb128: I work at hypra.fr team and we use Debian as work base09:30
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alexarnaudWe provide repository with old Compiz version and we would to be more in contact with community, that's why we would like to make Compiz directly in Debian09:31
seb128I see09:31
Sweet5hark1seb128: argh. but yeah, looks the same on libreoffice 5.0.5 -- so is intentional.09:31
alexarnaudseb128: My coleegue ksamak work on connecting Compiz with AT-SPI2 to manage a11y event09:31
seb128alexarnaud, good luck, it still feels like things would be easier for you if you were based on Ubuntu ;-)09:31
seb128Sweet5hark1, so it's not only my machine ... ok, if that's the way it supposed to be :-)09:32
alexarnaudseb128: maybe yes but some of us are in Debian community and our mentor are an active Debian contributor09:32
Sweet5hark1seb128: the todo list is already commited, I just need to cut through the redtape for the MIRs. Is MIRing ucpp a "feature"? (as there is ff tomorrow)09:33
seb128Sweet5hark1, I don't think it is09:33
Sweet5hark1seb128: good, thanks.09:33
seb128switching from a bundle to a system shared lib feels like a bugfix to me09:33
ksamakseb128: and we like debian cause it's free /troll09:35
seb128ksamak, :-)09:35
seb128ksamak, sorry I didn't want to troll,  it just feels like that this "packaging compiz" is taking you guys quite some work, it was an honest suggestion09:36
seb128but yeah, if you have the free slots to get that done it's nice for everybody09:37
seb128would be good to have compiz uptodate in Debian ;-)09:37
* Laney is being spammed with apparmor notifications09:54
seb128what is getting denied?09:56
Laneyjust got updated09:56
pittihm, I'm just getting hundreds of "powercap intel-rapl:0: package locked by BIOS, monitoring only", that sounds differently09:58
willcookeseb128, have updated https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/dialog-enable-proposed/+merge/286213 with the final text from design10:10
seb128willcooke, is "title" the window title or the bold part of the text? do we really need the "warning:" if it's the bol text?10:11
willcookeseb128,  dialog = Gtk.MessageDialog(self.window_main, 0, Gtk.MessageType.QUESTION, Gtk.ButtonsType.NONE, _("Are you sure you want to enable updates from proposed?"))10:12
willcookethat one ^10:12
seb128so that's the bold text10:13
seb128having "Warning:" in there seems like poor form to me10:13
seb128that dialog is a warning one, icon and bold text convey that10:14
willcookeseb128, yeah, fair enough.  Drop the "warning"10:14
seb128willcooke, thanks10:15
seb128willcooke, also any though about Brian's comment?10:15
seb128the fact that "proposed" has different use on devel and stable series10:15
seb128do we want different messages/behaviours?10:15
willcookeI think it's a fair point, but this warning is for "normal" users running a released version.  I expect people running a pre-release will have more of a clue about proposed10:18
willcookeso I think we just stick with a single implementation10:18
willcookekeeps it simple for us too10:19
willcookei.e. no, we dont want different messages / behaviours10:19
seb128k, wfm10:19
seb128I was pondering not showing the proposed box on devel10:19
seb128since that shouldn't be used and people who need it usually know how to deal with the command line10:20
seb128but that can be a later change10:20
seb128gstreamer FAIL10:23
* seb128 looks at https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-announce/2015-October/000359.html and is annoyed10:24
seb128they were supposed to have 3 pre/rc between decembre and feb and have 1.8 out by now10:24
seb128none of that happened10:24
seb128just wrote a comment on that gst/rb/crossfading/noise issue10:24
seb128which is fixed in git10:25
seb128asking what's going on with that schedule10:25
seb128willcooke, I pushed an update to the software-properties/proposed dialog, but I've a feeling mpt wouldn't approve of the wording. I think it's unusual to have a confirmation dialog providing choices without having it's text stating what is asking about ... like it doesn't say "you are about to enable proposed, are you sure?" it just say "bla is dangerous", which the user could take as "wth is it telling me about bla"10:50
seb128like nautilus doesn't say "deleting by passing the trash can lead to data loss", it tells you "are you sure you want to delete those? you are not going to be able to get those data back later"10:52
willcookempt, care to comment?  https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/dialog-enable-proposed/+merge/28621310:53
mptseb128, willcooke: Something that’s specifically for testers and Ubuntu developers shouldn’t sit like a mine in the middle of a UI that isn’t. That’s why I specced that tab shouldn’t offer -proposed at all. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#settings>10:59
mptPutting up a sign “WARNING: Mines can blow your leg off” is not really a solution to the problem of the mine being there.10:59
Sweet5hark1seb128: so, is bug 1546421 relevant for ff? Its already fixed in LibreOffice (which defaults to breeze on unity if available), but the one line change to ubuntu-meta to install -style-breeze instead of -style-human isnt in yet ...11:01
ubot5bug 1546421 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-gnome 1:4.2.8-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice', which is also in package libreoffice-common 1:4.2.8-0ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154642111:01
seb128Sweet5hark1, seems like more an uif item11:02
Sweet5hark1seb128: hmm?11:03
seb128mpt, willcooke, we don't have the contributor console though and our documentation/SRU process relies on testers being able to enable proposed to test candidate SRUs11:03
Sweet5hark1seb128: argh, wrong bug id11:03
mptwillcooke, and I already linked to that spec from the bug report that seb128 is working on, but ara changed the summary to assume the warning is a good solution. I disagree with that assumption.11:03
seb128Sweet5hark1, installing another style by default seems like more "ui freeze" material to me11:03
arampt, I changed the summary after talking to willcooke11:04
seb128mpt, sort of false, there isn't a simple command to do that, but you could do a "echo "deb ... proposed" > /etc/apt/sources.lists && sudo apt-get update" with maybe some more scripting around to only add if if it's not enabled yet11:11
seb128Sweet5hark1, right, that mostly impacts the look so I would consider it ui freeze not feature one11:11
Sweet5hark1seb128: alright, thx.11:12
willcookewell, we're not going to do significant work on the software sources or contributor console in 16.04, or in fact ever, because U8.  So we either remove proposed from there altogether or we go with a warning.  Both are sub-optimal.  Which is least bad?  Given that all our docs talk about enabling proposed through that UI, I think the warning is better than nothing.11:14
mptThose aren’t the only two options. For example, we could move that checkbox to its own tab labelled “Developer” or something like that. That way you could have warning text below it without needing a dialog.11:16
mptDoes “because U8” mean “We’re not going to let you install .debs any more”?11:18
willcookempt, @ U8 - rather that U8 will have a new UI and so development will happen in there not in U711:19
willcookei.e software sources will be re-implemented in U811:19
willcookedebs will still exist, so they'll need to implement an equivalent, which can be done correctly11:19
willcookeI'm not sure about adding a new tab.  It won't be a huge amount of work, but it will render all the docs wrong11:20
willcookethat said, it's probably not beyond the wit of a developer to work out what to do11:27
willcookeseb128, thoughts on adding a new tab?  How much work>11:27
* Sweet5hark1 filed two MIRs today already. Working hard for peace in the world!11:28
willcooke'bout time11:31
seb128willcooke, it's probably not a lot, like half a day work11:33
dpmpitti, seb128, IIRC langpack-o-matic is also creating the touch language packs right? Someone is asking me about bug 1491381 as it seems the Breton translation should have reached the threshold for which language packs are created11:43
ubot5bug 1491381 in ubuntu-keyboard "Breton language Ubuntu touch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149138111:43
seb128hey andyrock, dpm11:44
seb128dpm, no idea about that sorry11:44
dpmseb128, np, we'll see what Martin has to say11:45
willcookedpm, btw - I think I know why you couldn't launch apps in u8 session11:49
willcookedpm, try installing  libpam-cgm11:50
dpmwillcooke, tried that already, but thanks :)11:51
willcookedpm, bah.11:51
dpmthere's a bug about that11:51
dpmand I had some help from hallyn trying to debug it last week, but I had to give up at some point11:51
dpmI'm planning to resume my tests some time this week11:52
dpmwillcooke, bug 153505811:52
ubot5bug 1535058 in ubuntu-app-launch (Ubuntu) "applications close instantly when launched from the launcher or dash" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153505811:52
willcookedpm, so all I can offer is on a fresh 16.04 install, installing u8 session and that pam package allowed it to work for me11:52
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dpmI'll try it again in a bit, perhaps a week of updates fixed it for me11:53
desrtgood morning, attente14:04
attentegood morning14:11
seb128hey desrt attente14:14
desrtgood afternoon seb14:14
attentehi seb128!14:15
* desrt would like to point out that she was up at 6 but just forgot to say hello14:15
seb128I guess you had coffee by now then ;-)14:16
* desrt hears the dish washer cleaning the french press already14:16
* xnox tries to upload all the things for the feature freeze14:16
xnoxi am not posh enough to operate a french press (well, not smart enough actually) hence i have dolce gusto pod coffee thing.14:17
seb128xnox, all the things include that aptdaemon pkgkit1 port, right? ;-)14:18
* desrt gets annoyed at cgroups14:18
xnoxseb128, haha14:20
seb128xnox, great, I knew we could count on you, thanks! ;-)14:21
didrocksfirst time I learnt this was a "french press" was abroad TBH14:21
didrocksso, not really popular here ;)14:22
desrttoo bad.  it's wonderful.14:25
desrti think it makes my favourite kind of coffee14:25
desrtaka "very strong" :)14:25
qenghoI love french-press coffee too. I grind my beans a little finer than suggested to get it a little muddy, too. More coffee is better.14:31
seb128is freedesktop.org down for others as well?14:35
seb128k, thanks14:36
Sweet5harkmterry: wrt bug 1487148, libreoffice was already depending on fonts-stix before the bug was filed. So should the state be: "libreoffice - fix released" as it has the dep and "font-stix -- fix commited" as it is still in components-mismatch?14:39
ubot5bug 1487148 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-stix -- to replace xfonts-mathml" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148714814:39
seb128mdeslaur, do you plan to merge/update freetype for xenial? it looks like the new version would be nice to have for the lts14:39
Trevinhoseb128: for some reason I get that this page is immutable (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Theming), I did change it few days ago... Do you know how is this possible?14:39
mterrySweet5hark, oh ok sure.  I just saw the comment that went with the fix released was an auto-close due to a "no change rebuild" so it looked like some fluke.  Can set back to Fix Released14:40
seb128Trevinho, the wiki has been locked to deal with some spam issue14:40
mdeslaurseb128: I don't plan on it, no14:40
seb128Trevinho, from what I read14:40
Trevinhoseb128: mh, who can I ping for getting access?14:40
TrevinhoAs I'm able to edit other pages...14:40
seb128Trevinho, try #canonical-sysadmin but they have it in their topic14:41
seb128unsure why you can edit other pages14:41
seb128maybe they lock concerns only some sections/pages14:41
seb128" Known issues: wiki read-only for spam cleanup"14:41
Trevinhoah, thanks...14:42
seb128Trevinho, btw the nautilus not matching issue is still there today after a session restart :-/14:43
seb128what info can I provide?14:43
seb128brb, retrying with a fresh session14:44
Trevinhoseb128: so, could you recompile unity?14:44
seb128Trevinho, yeah, same on a fresh session :-/14:45
Trevinhoseb128: if you can recompile you should add some output in FileManagerLauncherIcon::IsLocationManaged14:46
seb128Trevinho, yeah, I can recompile, do you have a patch/some hints on what info you want printed?14:46
seb128mdeslaur, would you consider it if asked nicely? ;-)14:48
seb128mdeslaur, there is a bug asking for the update stating that it would make security fixes/updates easier for the LTS14:49
seb128not sure if that's a true claim though14:49
seb128it has improved thread-safety at least from https://sourceforge.net/projects/freetype/files/freetype2/2.6/14:50
mdeslaurseb128: hrm, maybe. will that unblock your graphite2 issue?14:51
Trevinhoseb128: something like this should be fine http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15100404/14:51
seb128mdeslaur, I don't think it's needed for graphite2, that's blocked on MIR and mterry wanting a team subscribed but us and foundation not agreeing on who should maintain fonts :p14:52
mdeslaurseb128: hehe14:52
mterryseb128, you should both agree on a third team to maintain it  :)14:53
seb128mterry, can I just subscribe you? ;-)14:54
* Laney applies for font team engineering manager14:54
mterryseb128, I'm not a team!  :)14:54
seb128can I create a "mterry is the best" team and subscribe it? ;-)14:54
mdeslaura team of one is still a team14:54
mterryseb128, ....  I'll allow it14:57
seb128Trevinho, ok, starting a build, it's going to take a while (i5 and no ccache/pre-build) ... btw unity depends on libgee-dev, can we get that changed to -0.8 or removed (Gee is used in a logger .vala source only but not mentioned in any build file so I wonder if it's even used)14:57
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seb128mterry, I'm not enough in troll mode today to do that, I subscribed desktop-bugs, not that those subscriptions make much of a difference anyway... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonttools/+bug/1538173 should be good to be re-reviewed when you have some slot14:59
ubot5Launchpad bug 1538173 in fonttools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonttools" [Undecided,New]14:59
seb128mterry, I keep the team idea in mind for another time though ;-)14:59
mterryseb128, awesome, approved15:00
seb128mterry, thanks15:00
Trevinhoseb128: about the gee thing, I think we can remove it...15:11
seb128Trevinho, good :-)15:11
Trevinhoseb128: also still about that, the migration I've ready doesn't get approved by britney...15:12
Trevinhoseb128: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-040/excuses.html15:12
Trevinhoor maybe Laney ^ ?15:12
TrevinhoThe thing is unity doesn't build in that arch, so I don't know how I can ignore it15:12
seb128I guess you can since it's not a regression15:12
TrevinhoI was suggested to set unity as build-depend on s390x  for unity-lens-applications, thus the error15:12
TrevinhoIn fact, but... Without britney approval, the train doesn't allow to get things published15:13
seb128what do you mean "set unity as build-depend on s390x  for unity-lens-applications"?15:13
TrevinhoSo... I'm like blocked15:13
Laneywhat is this diff?15:14
seb128what he just described15:15
seb128is that to trigger a dep-wait rather than a build fail?15:15
seb128in any case it looks wrong15:15
TrevinhoWhich I didn't want't to do...15:15
seb128who suggested that?15:15
Laney"what he just described" is not a helpful response15:15
seb128seems like a crazy workaround from ci-lander15:15
TrevinhoBut I was said it was a way to do this..15:15
Laneyit looks weird15:15
Trevinhoci train guys15:15
seb128tell them to force publish15:15
seb128and revert that hack15:15
seb128I can't believe they can't force publish over britney15:16
TrevinhoI hope so15:16
seb128but please revert that s390x hack15:16
seb128who exactly told you to do that?15:16
Trevinhoindeed, I hated myself in doing it..15:16
Laneythe old package built on s390x15:17
Trevinholog from ci-eng http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15100523/15:18
TrevinhoLaney: yes, it builds... But then there's a missing dependency15:19
Laneywhat was the actual problem initially?15:19
pittiLaney: njargh Prodstack access to squid.internal, I just bumped into this *again*15:20
TrevinhoLaney: unity-lens-applications has a dependency on unity because of the icons it uses..15:20
TrevinhoSo not really a dependency, but...15:20
TrevinhoLaney: so, once it built on that arch there was the problem that one of its dependency was not available there15:20
LaneyTrevinho: but this part isn't new?15:20
Laneypitti: oh dear :(15:20
LaneyTrevinho: so why did it become a problem?15:20
TrevinhoLaney: the build-deps is new (now reverted), but the depends was there15:21
LaneyIf it wasn't a problem last time this got uploaded I don't see why it would be now15:21
Laneymissing something here :)15:21
TrevinhoLaney: I think the same, but... For some reason britney doesn't think that this is an old problem15:22
seb128Trevinho, what was the britney output before your hack?15:22
TrevinhoLaney: I'm rebuilding btw, so soon we'll get back to the initial issue15:22
Laneyit's right in what it is saying now15:22
Laneybecause the build is indeed missing, that's what you forced to happen15:22
Trevinhoeh, we lost it.. But something like: unity dependency missing on that arch15:22
seb128well it's true15:22
pittiLaney: oh, there's quite some progress on your ticket15:23
seb128but not a regression afaik15:23
Laneypitti: sort of - they decided mimetype whitelisting was okay, then realised that you can't do this for https15:24
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pittiLaney: so you have to mark your r00tkit image/jpeg, and all will be good? *smirk*15:24
Laneydon't really understand what proxying is for https to be honest, apart from a passthrough15:24
Laneypitti: indeed15:24
pittiI can also base64 encode it and copy&paste it in15:25
pittithis is a poor argument15:25
* Laney just wants it to work at this point15:25
seb128what I don't get is how unity-lens-applications migrated to xenial if it has missing depends15:25
Trevinhoseb128: no, not a regression... But britney didn't think that (like it does for unity not having libnux working in the same arch)15:25
Laneyseb128: the s390x build happened in the release pocket15:25
Laneybecause the arch got added later15:25
seb128we should maybe just delete that binary then15:25
Laneycould do15:25
Laneyor make it a recommends15:25
seb128Trevinho, ^15:26
Laneyor split the icons in unity15:26
Laneypitti: what do you want it for this time?15:27
pittiLaney: api.github.com15:27
TrevinhoLaney: I'd prefer not to touch the unity packaging...15:27
Trevinhoas already I'm changing something in that front15:27
pittiLaney: github now makes test requests for systemd upstream PRs, but I can't tell it about their status15:27
TrevinhoLaney: as for reccomends, I think it's better15:27
TrevinhoLaney: so... if you remove the binary let me know... otherwise I'll go for reccommends15:28
seb128+1 for the recommends15:28
seb128you need to upload it anyway15:28
TrevinhoOk, rebuild in progress... Let's see..15:31
Trevinhowillcooke, qengho: about video acceleration.... While reading the firefox bug related to that (it seems there's no hope in that front), someone mentioned that it's supported by Chromium... It seems that it needs to be patched with something like (https://github.com/fqj1994/chromium-vaapi, old but...). So, wondering what can be done on that side...15:41
willcookeTrevinho, qengho - seems like a very early PoC more than a feature at this point.15:42
willcookeIntel have u/s a load of VP9 patches for Cr. I think, so we might get that for free first15:43
Trevinhowillcooke: well it's shipped on chrome-os15:43
TrevinhoUff, you're not supposed to be so slow, you arm64!15:47
TrevinhoI've to drive back to Florence, it will take ~1.5 hr16:04
jdstrandLaney: you mention apparmor in your logs. is there a bug for it?16:14
Laneyjdstrand: yeah, and nice hilight :-)16:14
jdstrandthanks :)16:15
ubot5Launchpad bug 1546455 in ntp (Ubuntu) "Many instances of 'apparmor="DENIED" operation="create" profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" pid=15139 comm="ntpd" family="unspec" sock_type="dgram" protocol=0' in syslog" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:15
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jdstrandLaney: did you talk to kickinz1?16:18
Laneyjdstrand: nah, I just hoped assigning would generate mail16:18
mdeslaurseb128: freetype merged16:18
Laneyand then he would be like aaaahhh jdstrand please help me16:18
Laneyor something :)16:18
seb128mdeslaur, you are a hero ;-)16:18
mdeslaurseb128: you owe me INTMAX beers16:18
jdstrandLaney: heh16:18
seb128Trevinho, shrug, my nautilus matching issue was my fault :/16:19
seb128Trevinho, I had a nautilus build without XUbuntuOpenLocationsXids (I commented out the patch while you were refreshing it and I used a version number higher than the one uploaded so was still on that) ... which is why I couldn't find it in d-feet16:20
seb128Trevinho, works fine with the archive version16:20
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robert_ancelllarsu, hi!16:36
robert_ancelllarsu, I was wondering if you have time for one last request - you might have some ideas on bug 154627616:38
ubot5bug 1546276 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Install button doesn't show loading bar in Ambience/Radiance" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154627616:38
robert_ancellmpt, hi, have you been following the GNOME Software work?16:55
mptrobert_ancell, no, not at all16:56
robert_ancellmpt, are you interested or would know someone on design who would be?16:56
mptrobert_ancell, bjkeyser is the right person to ask16:58
robert_ancellmpt, thanks16:58
Laneyhi robert_ancell16:58
Laneyhow's the sprint?16:58
robert_ancellLaney, hi. Going pretty good.16:59
* Laney is sending a "fix your appstream plz" email16:59
Laneyright... about...16:59
robert_ancellLaney, to... everyone?17:00
Laney*gets gpg passphrase right the first time*17:00
robert_ancellLaney, is the appstream stuff mostly working now?17:00
robert_ancellLaney, and should I do anything to remove the stuff your shell script installed?17:01
Laneyit should be working17:01
Laneyactually I don't know which location is preferred17:01
LaneyI would just delete the stuff that it downloaded17:01
seb128robert_ancell, hey17:05
seb128robert_ancell, gnome-software's MIR got acked (and gcab one as well conditional on a fix), do you think it's ready to switch the seed? if so can you do it today or tomorrow (before ff)?17:05
robert_ancellLaney, so I'm going to delete /var/cache/app-info/icons/, /var/cache/app-info/xapian/, /var/cache/app-info/yaml/ - that makes sense to you?17:05
robert_ancellThey don't seem to be owned by any packages and haven't been updated recently17:05
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, I was going to ask your opinion. I think it's ready in the sense it works, but has bugs. But I think that makes sense for FF right?17:06
robert_ancellAnd users can keep using USC so it's only new users that will get switched17:06
robert_ancellseb128, ok, I'll do that today17:06
robert_ancellseb128, thank you17:07
seb128don't forget to unseed oneconf as well17:07
seb128good work btw!17:07
seb128I played a bit with it, feels nice17:07
Laneyrobert_ancell: I think so, the system one is /var/lib/app-info/17:07
robert_ancellI updated it yesterday to read the dpkg/apt files directly. It's ridiculously fast now17:07
robert_ancellI haven't tried it with a rotary drive though, but I hope it should still read pretty fast17:08
robert_ancellseb128, who's the best for GTK+ themeing issues?17:10
* willcooke sits a little lower in his chair 17:11
willcookerobert_ancell, I can add it to my themes todo17:11
robert_ancellwillcooke, heh, I was thinking you'd inherited that title...17:11
willcookeIf it's a fairly easy css issue, I can probably fix it17:12
willcookeat least, I can have a crack at it17:12
robert_ancellBug 1546276 is my issue - it's CSS that doesn't work with our themes17:12
ubot5bug 1546276 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Install button doesn't show loading bar in Ambience/Radiance" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154627617:12
robert_ancellThe CSS in gnome-software just adds a bar to the bottom of the button.17:12
robert_ancellIt might be our theme renders over it, or ignores such changes17:12
willcookeoki, I can check it out17:12
willcookeI've assigned it to me17:13
robert_ancellwillcooke, ta17:13
seb128thanks willcooke ;-)17:13
Laneyoh noes I forgot to block software-center17:15
Laneybetter unblock all the other stuff17:15
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Trevinhoseb128: ah, I knew there was something weird 😃17:53
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willcookerobert_ancell, I've insalled g-s from the archive on a fresh 16.04 with no PPAs etc.18:12
willcookeis that the right thing to do?18:12
willcookedo I still need to run laney's script?18:12
Laneyit should work after an apt update18:13
Laneyfrom the archive18:14
* Laney is off, goodnight!18:14
alkisgHi guys, wrt the recent mail about gnome-software and appdata, two questions,...18:14
alkisgone, when will gnome-software actually replace software center?18:14
alkisgand two, I'm upstream + debian maintainer for 2 packages, can I sync them with ubuntu (with the appdata changes) even after the debian import freeze tomorrow?18:14
Laneywithin days and yes18:15
Laneyreally goodnight!18:15
alkisgThank you Laney, bb! :)18:15
willcookecheers Laney18:15
willcookerobert_ancell, Laney - it works!  \m/19:51
willcookeright, it's fts o'clock.19:59
willcookenight all19:59
robert_ancellSweet5hark, aroud?21:48
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: aye21:49
robert_ancellSweet5hark, in you lo snap, you have all the dependant libraries inside the snap right?21:50
robert_ancellSo it just depends on Ubuntu core21:50
robert_ancellSweet5hark, and snappy handles all the linking stuff for that? Or did you need to modify LO?21:52
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: I got it to finish building a libreoffice, by disabling tests. The result does print a help message, when you call it with ./soffice.bin --help ... as root ... with a LD_LIBRARY_PATH. It does nothing more.21:55
robert_ancellSweet5hark, root?21:56
Sweet5harkBeyond that it fails in ways that suggest subtle and mean toolchain errors.21:56
robert_ancellSweet5hark, where does it write the configuration? In the snappy directories or ~?21:57
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: hmmm, Im not sure if it even gets to that point ...21:57
robert_ancellok :)21:57
robert_ancellSweet5hark, but you would expect it to still go to ~ unless you patched it right?21:58
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: yes.21:58
robert_ancellSweet5hark, are there any files in ~ that it might access outside of its configuration? Even indirectly through a library.21:58
robert_ancellI guess the GTK+ theming configuration21:59
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: hmm, never thought much about that. would need to strace it ...22:01
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: also how do you define "its configuration"? because "its configuration" might include executable code (e.g. extensions stored in ~) and such fun ...22:02
robert_ancellSweet5hark, sorry, was called into a conversation22:14
robert_ancellSweet5hark, yeah, I'm trying to think along the lines of "what would happen if you couldn't access ~" or "You can only access ~/Downloads, ~/Pictures, ~/.config" etc22:14
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: from what I see now it seems worse than that. namely, that some symbol export foo breaks C++ stdlibs in a subtle way inside snapcraft/snappy.22:18
robert_ancellSweet5hark, the C++ libs from ubuntu-core?22:19
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: hang on a sec, I will try to find the conversation on that and include it in the mail.22:20
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: you got mail.22:43
robert_ancellSweet5hark, it's all spam22:43
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: you still got nothing?22:48
robert_ancellSweet5hark, I got it. It's a Futurama reference :)22:52
robert_ancellThough googling I think the correct line is actually "It's not spam"22:52
robert_ancellWhich makese more sense22:52
* Sweet5hark is too much of an old fart for futurama22:52
robert_ancellSweet5hark, are there any services that LO relies on (e.g. D-Bus) that would stop it working if they were removed? Because you can get all the libs in the snap but not the services.23:05
robert_ancellI mean e.g. a D-Bus service, not D-Bus itself.23:06
robert_ancellThough perhaps that is a candidate...23:06
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: well, we are certainly using various services, but we usually fall back soft when missing almost everything ...23:09
robert_ancellSweet5hark, yeah, I was thinking that apps like LO are a bit of a special case in that most things are optional. Other desktop apps rely on package dependencies to ensure their services are there.23:11
robert_ancellSo those sort of apps would need their services to be in snaps23:12
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: if what remains is still a full office suite platform might be debatable. I assume there will be people having very strong opinions on that.23:12
robert_ancellI have raised that point23:12
robert_ancellSweet5hark, is that because it would take much work to get them all working or is there anything fundamental that would be lost converting to a snap?23:15
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: there is so much stuff that might break in containers, I just dont know how bad it might be and what would be the most painful things ...23:18
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: for an extreme, take e.g. extensions and scripting via UNO: they are supposed to be able to do anything and everything to integrate with $whatever and run in the same process as LibreOffice. Thats not a good fit to containerization.23:21
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: For the rest, TBH I wouldnt know. I have no idea if LibreOffice base is able to interact with any database source (mysql, postgres) anymore etc. -- and unittests dont help a thing, as they will be inside the container.23:23
Sweet5harkrobert_ancell: (also one person can do manual testing on a LibreOffice release for a year and not cover all corners) To have any idea of realworld impact: publish PoC, buckle up seatbelts, ask for feedback, brace for impact23:26
robert_ancellSweet5hark, ack23:26
Sweet5hark(and better do it with volunteer early adopters enjoying the pain)23:27
Saviqgaah what happened to my mono font :P23:39

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