[01:47] <jabawok> morning/arvo/evening all
[01:47] <jabawok> anyone know how to stop the terminal app from stopping the foreground process when you lock the phone or switch tasks?
[01:48] <jabawok> when i switch back to the terminal, i see "[1]+ Stopped", which i can resume with fg
[01:49] <jabawok> but that breaks ssh tunnels etc
[01:51] <jabawok> i'll be idling...
[01:51] <duflu> jabawok: Yeah Ubuntu Phone will SIGSTOP background apps for absolute confidence of no power impact
[01:51] <duflu> but...
[01:52] <duflu> You might have some success with changing process group IDs so your background task isn't stopped by the shell
[01:52] <jabawok> hmm ok
[01:52] <duflu> Someone asked the same a while back. I don't remember there being a reliable workaround at the time
[01:53] <duflu> But theoretically we could allow one
[01:53] <jabawok> there kinda needs to be, for console apps
[01:53] <jabawok> like a checkbox option in the terminal settings
[01:54] <duflu> jabawok: Absolutely. I'm not sure if or where a convenient solution has been implemented for it yet
[01:54] <jabawok> cheers duflu
[01:54] <jabawok> i'll have a play with process group IDs
[01:55] <duflu> jabawok: If you start your long-lived daemon from an ssh or adb login and with 'nohup' it should stay forever and stay awake
[01:55] <jabawok> ah good to know
[01:56] <duflu> Of course, just don't complain the phone uses more battery then
[01:56] <jabawok> absolutely
[01:57] <jabawok> i'm a N900 user, so well aware of power management issues with spinning processes
[01:59] <talonz> what i wouldnt give for a octocore powered n900 with 4 gigs of ram and ubuntu touch
[02:01] <jabawok> talonz: i'd be over the moon with original maemo n900 but 1G ram
[02:01] <jabawok> that would seriously tide me over a few more years
[02:03] <talonz> i love maemo too but my new love is ubuntu touch
[02:03] <jabawok> i'm learning to love it
[02:03] <jabawok> definitely the future
[02:04] <talonz> i still have my n900 but its a desk ornament now i charge it up every now and then and have a play
[02:05] <jabawok> yeah still use n900 as production device for vncviewer and xmpp chat - at least till I can find workable solutions on the ubuntu phone
[02:05] <talonz> this year should be good for utouch
[02:05] <jabawok> looking forward to it
[02:39] <duflu> kgunn: Would you know where the latest/official version of the design is for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185489285/design.jpg ?
[02:39] <duflu> In case it has changed?
[02:39] <duflu> Or 'buttons' in general
[03:35] <kgunn> duflu: this should be it
[03:35] <kgunn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZ-Ro--2eaRzjZKNRoYAeDvQHMkCuyvVuPFWFQfPW4s/edit
[03:36] <kgunn> i know there's a lot of work ongoing in oobe right now
[03:55] <duflu> kgunn: I got more of a kick out of seeing future designs than expected :)
[04:13] <duflu> kgunn: Also interesting to see at least one of my complaints about our colour scheme is just a bug in the QML and not from design
[05:51] <_Sponge> Good MorrowMorning !
[06:26] <Guest98022> how to port ubuntu touch to arm cortex a8 devices
[06:29] <Guest98022> does anyone know?
[06:30] <Guest98022> to port ubuntu touch xenial to arm a8
[06:34] <Stanley00> Guest98022: there's a url for porting in the topic of this channel. Did you look at it?
[06:35] <Guest98022> i am looking at various threads on this topic
[06:35] <Guest98022> i am a noob in this
[06:36] <Guest98022> will it install a bootloader by itself?
[06:38] <Stanley00> Guest98022: well, you may need compile the kernel, make yourself new boot image, and build ubuntu code for your a8... it's a lot of thind to do
[06:40] <Guest98022> i read that xenial works on arm devices.
[06:40] <Guest98022> cortex a8 too.
[06:41] <Guest98022> so if i port ubuntu for arm a8 on a sd card and insert in a supported device, it should boot and work
[06:43] <Stanley00> Guest98022: you must put it in internal flash, just as other rom image. Or are you talking about some kind of multiboot rom?
[06:44] <Guest98022> i have a arm cortex a8 board
[06:44] <Guest98022> i am going to try to boot ubuntu in it. thats the goal.
[06:45] <Guest98022> it doesnt have its own bootloader or anything
[06:45] <Guest98022> so i ll try to boot from microsd
[06:49] <Stanley00> ah, I see, in this case, putting it in sdcard is fine
[06:53] <Guest98022> ok i try
[07:02] <kivi> Hey my friend sent me an audio attachment via sms, and it says "Audio Attachment not supported." How can I get this audio attachment off my phone and view it?
[07:37] <Becku> Hello!
[07:37] <Becku> when ota 9.5!!!???
[07:39] <talonz> Becku: not yet!!!!????
[07:40] <Becku> ;/
[07:41] <talonz> 9.1 has been delayed for 2 weeks so my guess would be 9.5 would be delayed as well
[07:46] <Becku> :(
[09:08] <amazoniantoad> I am trying to use my SD card I put in my phone...but I get an error saying it cannot be formatted
[09:18] <MCMic> amazoniantoad: yes it’s quite buggy, it might have mounted and used the SD card and therefore is not able to unmount it, something like this
[09:18] <RahulAN> Hi all
[09:18] <amazoniantoad> MCMic, I got it.
[09:18] <amazoniantoad> You have to boot with the SD card in the slot...
[09:18] <RahulAN> Is it possible to dump ubuntu-touch on any smart phone?
[09:18] <amazoniantoad> yes
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: not yet
[09:19] <amazoniantoad> A good idea? No.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> !devices | RahulAN
[09:19] <ubot5`> RahulAN: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:19] <amazoniantoad> lotuspsychje, I thought you could...but it doesn't mean that it will really work
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> amazoniantoad: some devices wont work at all
[09:19] <amazoniantoad> lotuspsychje, Oh. Didn't know that.
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> amazoniantoad: check the porting guide in topic
[09:20] <amazoniantoad> lotuspsychje, how goes development on the touch? I bought the E5 but I want to put it on my s4 active
[09:21] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje: what are the requirements ??
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: a device needs to be ported, to fully run ubuntu-touch
[09:21] <RahulAN> I have micromax canvas A11
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN, amazoniantoad check the XDA forums for more existing projects
[09:22] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje: ported means?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: porting means, creating a specific hardware based ubuntu touch version for a specific device
[09:23] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje: Ok.. It needs many change in OS at firmware level?
[09:23] <RahulAN> is it?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: check the porting guide mate, its all explained
[09:24] <RahulAN> Ok..
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> amazoniantoad: developers working hard, but its not real easy to port a new device, i hear the fairphone 2 is getting a port also
[09:27] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje: Thats impressive .. :)
[09:27] <RahulAN> I am waiting when i will get rid of this android
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: you can already install touch on nexus devices like a charm
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: got it running on my nexus7 phablet
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> and bought a BQ 4.5 with touch
[09:29] <RahulAN> But i don;t have nexus
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: buy one 2nd hand :p
[09:29] <RahulAN> Yes i am also planning to buy aquaris .
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: got mine for 169 euro
[09:31] <RahulAN> Yes i will also find one
[09:31] <RahulAN> well i am much intrested to make an experiment on my phone
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> experiment of what
[09:32] <RahulAN> to make it work on my micromax smartphone
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: like i said, the porting to a new device isnt very easy..
[09:32] <RahulAN> Yes  i understand ..
[09:33] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje: well how is ubuntu-touch experience
[09:33] <Stanley00> talking about BQ phones, do you know how long these phone'll get update from BQ/Canonical?
[09:33] <RahulAN> i mean is it same what we feel in unity
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> Stanley00: what you mean how long?.
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: very great! smooth, fast and secure
[09:35] <RahulAN> We have terminal in there?
[09:35] <Stanley00> lotuspsychje: well, just as in Android phones, mostly will not get any update after 1/2 years
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: yes, but you cant install packages like ubuntu desktop from terminal
[09:36] <RahulAN> Ohkk
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> Stanley00: ubuntu doesnt work that way, manufacturers have a deal with canonical and will get you update support forever
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> you cant just leave users in the cold right
[09:36] <Stanley00> wow, it's great! super, super great
[09:37] <svij> lotuspsychje: it wont be "forever"
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> svij: until when then?
[09:37] <svij> I often heard that it will be supported as long bq supports it.
[09:37] <svij> I doubt that we will have updates in 5 years ;)
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> svij: so what you saying is, customers buy a device and they will drop updates on one day?
[09:39] <svij> lotuspsychje: on one day, yes. Even though it will be probably longer than most of the android phones, i guess.
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> svij: so whats the phylosophy of opensource in this story?
[09:40] <svij> lotuspsychje: I don't know?
[09:40] <Stanley00> It's just that not all part in BQ phones are opensource.
[09:40] <svij> like in any other phone
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> svij: i mean ubuntu desktop will let you update forever right,
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> why not ubuntu touch?
[09:41] <svij> lotuspsychje: yes, but ARM and x86 is a little difference regarding hardware support
[09:41] <davmor2> Stanley00: the commitment from canonical is to support all devices for as long as possible, if we have to move everything to arm64 for example then we lose anything that doesn't support arm64 and so on. On the whole it should be a nicer ride, but products will end support at some point but there will be notices for when that happens.
[09:41] <svij> that's a clearer answer. :)
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: so that would make a device useless at one day?
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> thats cold...
[09:42] <Stanley00> and it's better than many other providers :3
[09:43] <davmor2> lotuspsychje: In theory it could be passed over to the community to work on but for example Linux is Still called i386 good luck running it on an i386
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> right
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: so lets say canonical comes with a new phone on their own, would that change it to updates forever?
[09:47] <davmor2> lotuspsychje: no because canonical doesn't make hardware, and at some point the hardware would cease to be viable for new features at which point it would be retired,  Hardware is a limit and unlike pc's where you can switch out bits to make it better you can't do that with phones
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: ok i understand
[09:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy World Human Spirit Day! 😃
[13:30] <PHroGman> Can you put Ubuntu touch on 5th gen Kindke fire?
[13:31] <PHroGman> Kindle
[13:31] <k1l> does it have a unlocked bootloader? then you just need to make a port and see if you can get the drivers.
[13:35] <PHroGman> Not sure if the bootloader is unlocked
[13:58] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, around? Could you help me explain why I can't change multiple properties rapidly? Check out the dbus monitor http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15100164/
[13:59] <jgdx> pete-woods, the only thing that changed was compLzo. protoTcp and certPass are left unchanged
[14:00] <pete-woods> jgdx: I can only think it must be a bug in the server?
[14:01] <jgdx> pete-woods, hm, I'll file it then. And work around it.
[14:01] <pete-woods> jgdx: could you file a bug on indicator-network for it
[14:01] <pete-woods> yes, thanks
[14:01] <pete-woods> it's supposed to cache up the changes, there must be a stupid bug in there..
[14:02] <pete-woods> I'm pretty swamped with stuff at the minute, but will try and get the fix to you as soon as I can
[14:02] <jgdx> pete-woods, pre ota10 you reckon? :)
[14:03] <pete-woods> jgdx: there's no rush for ota10 IMO, the password storage doesn't work at the moment
[14:03] <pete-woods> so while you can connect the the canonical VPN (as it doesn't need a password), you can't connect to any VPN that needs passwords
[14:04] <pete-woods> I have a fix going in for some dodgy assembler in libgcrypt20
[14:04] <jgdx> pete-woods, certPass you mean? Is there a bug I can refer to?
[14:04] <pete-woods> jgdx: no, sorry there isn't
[14:05] <jgdx> pete-woods, I filed bug1546560
[14:05] <jgdx> bug 1546560
[14:08] <pete-woods> jgdx: will link the relevant branches, the code is all done and working, but I need to get gnome-keyring and a couple of other packages seeded
[15:10] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay, great. And this [1] is known or am I doing something wrong? [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1546589
[15:11] <pete-woods> jgdx: yeah, that's known. I guess I kinda expected the UI to use a sort filter model or something like that
[15:11] <pete-woods> to sort by name
[15:12] <mterry> pitti, the latest touch langpack update doesn't have the pam module (Linux-PAM.mo) in it  :-/
[15:13] <pete-woods> um, k, it seems like there's no sortable listview type thing in QML
[15:13] <pete-woods> that surprises me
[15:14] <jgdx> pete-woods, that's also not great because then we'd have to agree on something to make it consistent between USS and the indicator
[15:15] <pete-woods> jgdx: fair point, will make sure the model is sorted by ID then
[15:18] <jgdx> pete-woods, great
[15:25] <dobey> sigh
[15:33] <jgdx> pete-woods, sorry to hit you with all of these issues, but is this also known? I'm unable to set the port of a openvpn connection, like so http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15100587/
[15:34] <pete-woods> jgdx: no, that one I'm not familiar with
[15:34] <pete-woods> jgdx: are you making sure to convert the textfield, text to int in the QML?
[15:34] <pete-woods> as I *think* that works in the prototype UI
[15:35] <jgdx> pete-woods, yeah, using parseInt. Maybe I need portSet?
[15:35] <pete-woods> jgdx: I strongly recommend you closely read the prototype code
[15:36] <pete-woods> the xSet properties determine if an optional property is/should be set
[15:36] <pete-woods> and you should also bind it to the 'enabled' status of the text field
[15:37] <jgdx> pete-woods, sure.
[16:20] <mhall119> good morning mariogrip
[16:21] <mariogrip> mhall119: morning :)
[16:21] <mhall119> mariogrip: we're preparing tasks for the upcoming Google Summer of Code, and one of the ideas was to help a student work on a phone port, would you have the time to mentor somebody for a couple hours a week if we do that?
[16:22] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, that would be awesome!
[16:22] <mhall119> \o/ I'll put you down for that then
[16:24] <mhall119> mariogrip: second thing, can you email tvoss any errors or logs you have on the screen issue so he can look at them ahead of our call in ~30 minutes?
[16:25] <mariogrip> mhall119: Sure
[16:25] <mhall119> thanks
[16:25] <mhall119> tvoss: are you still available for that call?
[16:26] <tvoss> mhall119, yup
[16:26] <tvoss> mhall119, I have had little time to prepare, though
[16:26] <tvoss> mhall119, mariogrip if okay with you, having it tomorrow would help me a lot
[16:26] <mhall119> understood, any help you can give is appreciated
[16:26] <mhall119> mariogrip: does that work for you?
[16:27] <mariogrip> mhall119: tvoss Yeah, sure
[16:27] <mhall119> I'd need to move it to 1600 UTC tomorrow if we do
[16:27] <mariogrip> That's fine for me
[16:27] <mhall119> tvoss: ?
[16:28] <tvoss> mhall119, works for me
[16:29] <mhall119> alright, I'll move the invite
[16:29] <mhall119> tvoss: mariogrip is going to email you what information he has on the issue today, so you can look over it whenever you have idle time
[16:30] <tvoss> mhall119, mariogrip thanks
[16:36] <jgdx> charles_, hey, silo 12 looks good to me.
[16:54] <P_E_T_O> hi, after OTA9 on BQ E9 I cant boot into phone, see only "bq powered by ubuntu" can you please help me?
[16:55] <P_E_T_O> sorry bq E5
[17:44] <jamie1> anyone know if https://github.com/cyanogenmod/android_device_sony_z3c includes all the stuff required to port a touch to a device
[17:51] <adfad666> don't touch that z3c repo, it's nasty
[17:51] <adfad666> go with the Sony repo
[17:52] <jamie1> adfad666: where can i find that
[17:52] <adfad666> https://github.com/sonyxperiadev
[17:53] <jamie1> adfad666: any advice on porting? im trying to port to the z3c and have not really ported anything before
[17:54] <adfad666> actually most of the owrk should be done, I believe there are already some Sony repos hosted by ubuntu
[17:55] <adfad666> I haven't been able to build them myself, been too busy, but I heard Canonical wants to show Ubuntu running on Sony devices pretty soon
[17:55] <jamie1> adfad666: other than adding that stuff to device/sony/aries what else do i need to do
[17:56] <adfad666> no idea, I'm not an Ubuntu dev :)
[17:56] <adfad666> I work on AOSP
[17:56] <jamie1> ah
[17:56] <jamie1> im new to the project... just came over from firefox os
[17:57] <adfad666> then you probably already used my work...
[17:57] <jamie1> which devices?
[17:57] <adfad666> I ported all Sony devices to Firefox OS
[17:57] <jamie1> ah
[17:58] <adfad666> Lollipop builds, not the Foxfooding Kitkat builds
[17:58] <jamie1> thats actually why im trying to port to the z3c
[17:58] <jamie1> firefox os is dying as of may
[17:59] <adfad666> well, right now there's been a big response from FxOS community
[17:59] <adfad666> who want to fork FxOS to continue it
[17:59] <jamie1> yes i know... im part of the core team
[17:59] <adfad666> so maybe it won't die
[18:00] <adfad666> but yea, Ubuntu is my fallback plan too
[18:00] <jamie1> right now they want to strip it to bare and give it to community... which leaves us with nothing but a device that boots with no core apps
[18:01] <jamie1> lol so i was not the only one XD
[18:01] <adfad666> well actualy I REALLY want to get ubuntu touch on my Z4 tab
[18:01] <adfad666> I even got the special bluetooth keyboard for it
[18:01] <jamie1> well porting to the z3c is a step in the right direction
[18:01] <adfad666> just, damn, no time to do it
[18:01] <jamie1> right now i just dont have much of an idea what im doing XD
[18:02] <jamie1> I'm mainly QA
[18:02] <adfad666> probably you should try to follow Sony's instructions on how to build pure AOSP
[18:02] <adfad666> so you kow how to use the tools for porting
[18:02] <jamie1> got some links?
[18:02] <adfad666> http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/open-source/open-devices/aosp-build-instructions/
[18:02] <jamie1> right now all i have is that aosp stuff put in the devce/sony/aries folder
[18:04] <jamie1> adfad666: how long do you think it will take a person to port that is not knowlegable in porting?
[18:04] <adfad666> if you follow those instructions you should get a nice clean AOSP port
[18:04] <adfad666> possibly months :D
[18:04] <adfad666> it depends how analytical you are and how willing to solve errors youself by reading the error messages
[18:05] <jamie1> like i said... im QA XD
[18:05] <adfad666> most people who get stuck at a build error don't read the error messages properly, usually it's something they can solve themselves
[18:05] <adfad666> too many give up too easily
[18:06] <jamie1> i have done QA for firefox os for the last year and a half... was kinda my role to read the error messages
[18:06] <jamie1> i just need to make use of this z3c i have... right now it has firefox os on it... and its not gonna be very useful for much longer
[18:07] <adfad666> great, so you should be prepared to read a lot of error messages :P
[18:07] <jamie1> adfad666: should i be on 12.04?
[18:08] <adfad666> for building?
[18:08] <jamie1> yes
[18:08] <jamie1> im currently on wily
[18:09] <adfad666> I don't know about the Ubuntu side, but building AOSP and Firefox OS is fine in wiley
[18:09] <dobey> no you shouldn't be on 12.04
[18:09] <adfad666> This manifest is probably a great place to start https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/platform/manifest.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/personal/w-ondra/xperia_5.1.1_r5
[18:10] <jamie1> some of the stuff required they need for build is only avaible for utopic
[18:10] <dobey> like what?
[18:10] <jamie1> lib32readline-gplv2-dev
[18:11] <jamie1> lib32bz2-1.0
[18:11] <dobey> (12.04 isn't utopic anyway)
[18:11] <jamie1> whoops lol
[18:11] <jamie1> well its asking for utopic unicorn
[18:11] <jamie1> sory 13.10
[18:11] <dobey> utopic is 14.10
[18:12] <jamie1> i thought 14 was trusty
[18:12] <dobey> 14.04 is trusty
[18:12] <jamie1> ah... the constantly changing numbers catch me up
[18:12] <jamie1> sory
[18:12] <dobey> the releases are every 6 months, not 12 :)
[18:13] <jamie1> well i use ubuntu gnome... so they are a little different
[18:13] <adfad666> it's easy to remember it's always Ubuntu year.month
[18:13] <jamie1> i get them about 4 after you
[18:13] <dobey> the release numbers are the same, but ubuntu gnome is a relatively new derivative
[18:13] <jamie1> i never put the two and two together
[18:14] <jamie1> they are the same numbers but usually not done until several months after the core ubuntu is done
[18:14] <dobey> that doesn't sound right. but anyway, doesn't matter
[18:15] <jamie1>  times
[18:15] <jamie1> thats how i have seen it... or when i have seen it... might just be me behind the times
[18:21] <dobey> jamie1: anyway, you don't need utopic. if you're on 15.10, it should be fine.
[18:21] <jamie1> okay... ouch not sure how i did this https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8860074
[18:22] <dobey> you probably did something that mucked up $PATH :)
[18:22] <dobey> open a new terminal and try again?
[18:22] <mcphail> jamie1: suspect yu've added Android ttols to your PATH, but didn't remember to append your old PATH to your new PATH ;)
[18:23] <jamie1> how do i fix this... i cant get into nano now
[18:23] <mcphail> jamie1: use the full path for a binary. It'll probably be /usr/bin/nano
[18:24] <mcphail> actually, /bin/nano
[18:25] <mcphail> then edit ~/.bashrc (or wherever you messed up the PATH variable)
[18:26] <jamie1> i removed what I added and now im not sure how to update the source.... when i do i get nother error of the same
[18:26] <mcphail> jamie1: "source ~.bashrc"
[18:26] <mcphail> jamie1: "source ~/.bashrc"
[18:27] <jamie1> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8860076
[18:27] <jamie1> and this is why you dont let qa touch tings XD
[18:29] <mcphail> "export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
[18:29] <mcphail> then your shell should work again
[18:30] <jamie1> it does thanks
[18:31] <jamie1> now to trying again, at least when i mess up i know how to fix it now
[18:31] <mcphail> :)
[18:32] <mcphail> My $PATH environment variable has gained _years_ of cruft as I just copy my .bashrc from one install to the next
[18:33] <jamie1> lol, worked this time, i messed up the path to the /.bin got it right this time
[18:34] <jamie1> sorry for all the crap... once i get the hang of this ill be fine
[18:34] <mcphail> jamie1: I suspect we've all done the same thing. Good luck with the porting
[18:35] <jamie1> thanks
[21:41] <_Sponge> quiet evening :)
[22:48] <lpotter> yay. soundcloud scope finally works again
[23:50] <tonyp>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER tonyp xaopxmclbkts
[23:55] <lpotter> damn spaces