[02:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: will try to submit it this week. If I don't get to expose the setting, I at least want to make the default icon-only (as 1.4.x)
[06:07] <_Sponge> Bonjour tout le monde !
[07:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: alright, fine by me
[10:50] <knome> hmm.
[11:18] <knome> narf
[11:19] <knome> http://dev.xubuntu.org/ points to the new integrated style now, but is still WIP
[11:19] <knome> everything should work though, might just look silly
[11:25] <Akxwi-dave> looking good knome .. Although the calendar doesn't show in Midori.. shows up fine in Firefox..  :-)
[11:28] <Akxwi-dave> doesn't show in Chrome either...  
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> knome, the calendar isn't showing in Chrome, also
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> :)
[11:31] <bluesabre> I can confirm that
[11:32] <bluesabre> JS errors...
[11:32] <knome> isn't showing as in the tab doesn't seem to load at all or the calendar iframe isn't visible?
[11:32] <knome> also, is the calendar showing in tracker.xubuntu.org?
[11:33] <knome> ^ there's been some weird "doesn't load" issues for me too
[11:33] <bluesabre> status_workitems.js:296: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token =
[11:33] <bluesabre> status.js:102: Uncaught ReferenceError: wi_clear_all_filters is not defined
[11:33] <bluesabre> knome: tab opens, big blank area for the calendar
[11:33] <knome> weird
[11:33] <knome> i don't see those js error either
[11:34] <slickymasterWork> the iframe isn't visible at all knome 
[11:34] <slickymasterWork> no getting any js errors either
[11:34] <knome> weird
[11:35] <knome> bluesabre, your line:
[11:35] <Akxwi-dave> same as slickymasterWork for me .. completely white where it should be
[11:35] <knome> function wi_clear_all_filters( refresh = true ) {
[11:35] <knome> that's standard definition
[11:36] <knome> well, for a new version
[11:36] <bluesabre> knome: just saying what chromium tells me
[11:36] <knome> (eg. ecmascript2015)
[11:36] <knome> yeah, but that's also why you get the other message
[11:36] <knome> slickymasterWork, Akxwi-dave: so is it visible in tracker.xubuntu.org?
[11:37] <knome> because if you do, then that's weird
[11:37] <Akxwi-dave> no its not for me..
[11:37] <bluesabre> knome: also does not work on tracker currently
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> nopes, also
[11:37] <bluesabre> same js errors displayed
[11:38] <slickymasterWork> not getting any
[11:38] <Akxwi-dave> thats on both Xubuntu versions and windows versions.. both whitespace..  FF works fine on both OSes
[11:39] <bluesabre> works fine in firefox
[11:39] <slickymasterWork> same here knome, both in windows and xubuntu
[11:39]  * slickymasterWork doesn't have ff :P
[11:40] <knome> right, so chrome-specific
[11:40] <knome> ok, i'll look at it
[11:40] <knome> but now, lunch time
[11:40] <Akxwi-dave> it actually looks really good in FF with the new style
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> enjoy knome 
[11:40] <Akxwi-dave> enjoy lunch..
[11:40] <bluesabre> enjoy knome lunch
[11:41] <bluesabre> :D
[12:00] <knome> D:
[12:00] <knome> slickymasterWork, does wiki or irc work for you? :P
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> no knome 
[12:01] <knome> yeah
[12:01] <knome> good job chrome
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> lol
[12:01] <knome> do they work now?
[12:02] <slickymasterWork> give me a second, please
[12:02] <knome> sure
[12:02] <knome> i'm not on the back of a rabbi(t)
[12:02] <slickymasterWork> still the same, knome :(
[12:02] <knome> i don't believe
[12:02] <knome> do a hard refresh
[12:02] <slickymasterWork> none of the three work
[12:03] <slickymasterWork> ok
[12:04] <slickymasterWork> no difference knome 
[12:04] <slickymasterWork> wait
[12:05] <knome> slickymasterWork, and you are looking at dev.xubuntu.org?
[12:05] <slickymasterWork> they're working now
[12:05] <slickymasterWork> 1o/
[12:05] <knome> yeah, wait; the loading is happening only when you open the tab
[12:05] <knome> so there will always be a small delay the first time you go to one of those tabs
[12:05] <slickymasterWork> yeaps, the three are functional now
[12:05] <knome> good good
[12:05] <knome> so it was actually what bluesabre said
[12:06] <knome> chrome can't handle the parameter, so it'll just decide none of the JS should work
[12:06] <knome> :P
[12:07] <bluesabre> \o/
[12:08] <knome> ok, so next i'll ask you for your opinion on a few things
[12:08] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll be around for another 45 minutes
[12:08] <knome> since we've been using the ubuntu wiki, does anybody else of you feel like the wiki edit button should be at the left top? :P
[12:09] <slickymasterWork> I'm not particularity vehement about its position 
[12:10] <knome> you'll notice if you are when you edit 20 pages
[12:10] <slickymasterWork> bottom right would be my choice, if you'd ask me
[12:10] <bluesabre> def not bottom
[12:10] <bluesabre> or maybe a second one at the bottom
[12:10] <knome> yeah, not bottom :|
[12:10] <bluesabre> knome: like <nav> [Edit]
[12:10] <knome> i'm actually thinking of getting rid of the whole bottom bar as it is now
[12:10] <bluesabre> ?
[12:10] <knome> maybe
[12:10] <knome> but it isn't nav really :)
[12:10] <bluesabre> right
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[12:11] <bluesabre> ^ much longer to type
[12:11] <knome> i don't even know if it's meaningful to show the page filename
[12:11] <knome> the other thing i don't know if we need is the breadcrumbs :D
[12:12] <bluesabre> I think they can be handy here, since there is not an easy way to get back up otherwise
[12:12] <knome> yeah, for that i'm considering to creating a dokuwiki plugin
[12:12] <knome> that shows all the siblings/children/parent on all pages
[12:12] <bluesabre> nifty
[12:13] <knome> in a somewhat compact form
[12:13] <knome> the whole wiki is hard to navigate now
[12:13] <knome> because we haven't used to link to all pages from all pages
[12:13] <knome> only the header - but that just gives you the "start" pages anyway
[12:14] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:14] <knome> hf
[12:35] <flocculant> leaving this while I *am* connected - rebuilds up - would like to see *some* results on the tracker which aren't mine :)
[12:36] <knome> noble thought
[12:36] <flocculant> followed by a sighing one :p
[12:36] <knome> ;)
[12:38] <flocculant> knome: re edit button position - I logged out and logged in because I thought I wasn't - because I couldn't see the edit button :D
[12:38] <knome> yep
[12:39] <flocculant> just thought I would add my pennyworth :)
[13:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll trade you, 100 tests from me for fixing the clutter integration in parole
[13:09] <knome> i'll trade the website code maintaining too :P
[13:09] <bluesabre> thats all i've done for the past few days
[13:09] <bluesabre> :)
[13:09] <knome> but not for the clutter stuff
[16:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: if I could I would :)
[16:52] <flocculant> jjfrv8: are you still seeing bug 1395323 - cos I'm not
[17:42] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - I'll be ahppy to mark trusty ready whenever - just need ack's
[19:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1546695 
[19:01] <flocculant> not sure what anyone wants me to provide
[19:53] <dkessel> flocculant: USB stick or harddisk? I always thought it was a problem with my harddisk...
[19:54] <dkessel> Maybe dmesg? Sometimes contains info about mounting and such
[20:33] <pleia2> in case others haven't seen yet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-February/004785.html
[20:33] <pleia2> not sure how much we can get directly involved in supporting bits of the move to gnome-software, but worth a look if we have bored devs (hah hah)
[20:33] <knome> and i guess we should fix our own packages if/where needed
[20:35] <pleia2> seems like decision time regarding the installer in general is due soon
[20:35] <pleia2> but I haven't had the bandwidth to keep up :\
[20:36] <knome> that's fine, we have bots... i mean people like Unit193 taking care of it
[20:36] <pleia2> <3 Unit193 
[20:37] <knome> oh right, we have a meeting today
[20:37] <pleia2> we do
[20:37] <knome> go me
[20:37] <Unit193> >_>
[20:37] <knome> wednesday is my board gaming evening
[20:37] <pleia2> the wiki is read only, so we can't add anything to the agenda
[20:37] <branau> knome: Is that a Xubuntu community meeting ?
[20:37] <knome> so i might normally only free about these times, and be kind of exhausted
[20:37] <knome> branau, yes
[20:38] <pleia2> unless we moved that? :)
[20:38] <branau> knome: What time is it? I keep meaning to attend them but I always miss the times
[20:38] <knome> branau, in 1 hour, 22 minutes
[20:38] <pleia2> branau: 1hr 20 minutes, here
[20:38] <branau> Sweet, thanks
[20:38] <pleia2> branau: we'd be glad to have you :)
[20:38] <pleia2> moar participants \o/
[20:38] <branau> knome: Not sure if you remember or not, I talked to you a few weeks back about helping out with the site
[20:38] <knome> pleia2, i was thinking whether there should be some community force in an EditorGroup in the ubuntu wiki
[20:38] <branau> pleia2: Thanks! >D
[20:38] <knome> branau, now that you say that, i can vaguely remember
[20:39] <branau> :D
[20:39] <pleia2> knome: should be, I'm thinking similar to what we proposed for the help wiki
[20:39] <branau> knome: Olin suomessa myös
[20:39] <knome> branau, oh right :)
[20:39] <branau> hahah
[20:39] <knome> branau, we just got a few fixes landed on the website at the beginning of this week
[20:39] <branau> knome: Ah I missed em?
[20:39] <branau> Dang
[20:39] <knome> and i've been working with dev.xubuntu.org the last few days
[20:40] <knome> mostly small ones, probably the most prominent one is the header art change (no image now, just rotated elements)
[20:40] <branau> knome: You got a list somewhere of tasks that still need to be taken care of?
[20:40] <knome> and when i say elements, i mean div::before and div::after
[20:41] <knome> there aren't any outstanding bugs or features TBD at the moment
[20:41] <knome> but this page: http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-x-web
[20:41] <knome> or http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-x-web for the more integrated (but WIP) looks
[20:43] <branau> knome: Well cool, feel free to ping me if you need/want any help on anything specific. Looks like all these tasks have been distributed already, no unassigned ones haha
[20:43] <knome> branau, so anyway, welcome to join the meeting
[20:43] <knome> branau, well, even being assigned to somebody doesn't mean "don't touch it"
[20:44] <branau> knome: Thanks! I'll be sure to stick around and participate a little, I am at work so I don't make any promises haha
[20:44] <branau> knome: And fair enough
[20:44] <knome> and all work items need to be assigned to *somebody* (or some team)
[20:45] <branau> Gotcha. Well sign me up! I'd love to help out. 
[20:45] <knome> but granted, some of the work items might be a bit cryptic or at least not all clear regarding what you should do...
[20:46] <branau> Yeah, is there anywhere that has a bit more descriptive tasks?
[20:46] <knome> branau, we were creating a webapp for handling wallpaper contest submissions, but that's quite halted atm, and we're not sure if the codebase we have will be useful
[20:46] <knome> no, not really; usually when the work item is cryptic it means somebody is probably on top of the issue
[20:47] <knome> for some items which seem to be broad ones, there can be a description in the whiteboard
[20:47] <knome> you can access them from the overview page in the tracker
[20:47] <branau> knome: Gotcha. And what happened with the wallpaper contest? I remember you telling me about that
[20:47] <knome> we probably will talk about that on the meeting today...
[20:47] <krytarik> → https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html
[20:48] <knome> bluesabre, ping! :P
[20:48] <knome> krytarik, ughh.
[20:48] <krytarik> Yep.
[20:48] <krytarik> I laughed.
[20:49] <flocculant> dkessel: yea - external drive
[20:49] <knome> krytarik, if you are subbed, please reply to them saying we object and that we will touch our own packages ourself when we know what we want to do
[20:49] <krytarik> I'm not.
[20:49] <knome> or if you are planning to subscribe
[20:49] <knome> ;Ð
[20:49] <krytarik> I'm not.
[20:49] <krytarik> :D
[20:49] <knome> no?
[20:49] <knome> booo
[20:51] <flocculant> I is - I can sya whatever we need
[20:51] <knome> flocculant, say what i said above
[20:52] <knome> flocculant, basically, "The Xubuntu team will take care of updating our own package (xubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-default-settings), so no need to touch those packages. Thanks!"
[20:52] <knome> s/package/packages/
[20:52] <knome> and maybe s/touch those packages./touch those./
[20:52] <Unit193> I was going to poke him, but he's not on IRC.
[20:53] <knome> i like people who are not on IRC
[20:53] <knome> not
[20:53] <Unit193> Nono, he's on, I've talked to him before.  Just not now.
[20:53] <knome> as i said... i don't like people who are not on IRC
[20:53] <knome> ;P
[20:53] <Unit193> Haha. :P
[20:53] <knome> thinking of you bluesabre and ochosi 
[20:54] <Unit193> I've not been on IRC...
[20:55] <krytarik> flocculant, knome: Don't forget about xubuntu-docs, btw.
[20:55] <knome> krytarik, it's not listed on the list he put up though
[20:55] <Unit193> And the brokenness of fop?  Yeeeah...
[20:56] <flocculant> oh buggar - in moderation ... 
[20:56] <flocculant> we know about this issue and will deal with any of our (Xubuntu packages etc) once we know what it is we want to do. 
[20:56] <knome> flocculant, lol, i was referring to "being subbed" because i wanted to avoid that :D
[20:56] <knome> or are you saying the filters found unwelcome words in your mail :P
[20:57] <flocculant> I thought I was subbed
[20:57] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:57] <knome> hah...
[20:57] <knome> i wonder how we are supposed to interpret that
[21:09] <flocculant> sent it direct to the OP too now
[21:09] <flocculant> just woken up to the fact there's a meeting soonish
[21:11] <knome> yeah
[21:11] <knome> good morning, flocculant's brain
[21:26] <flocculant> :)
[21:42] <pleia2> right, so meeting agenda is still on uneditable wiki, should we move that now/soon?
[21:42] <pleia2> (for those not keeping up, wiki.ubuntu.com has been locked down for a day)
[21:43] <knome> if we need to edit, there's a "Meetings" start page on the new wiki already
[21:43] <pleia2> that made the wiki explode when I went to it
[21:43] <knome> but we can't do includes yet (i haven't installed/enabled a plugin that does that)
[21:43] <knome> :D
[21:43] <pleia2> oh :)
[21:43] <pleia2> still
[21:43] <knome> hmm.
[21:43] <pleia2> Server error
[21:43] <pleia2> 500
[21:43] <pleia2> when I clicky on meetings
[21:43] <Unit193> You can likely talk to Canonical about it, saw one pop in to #ubuntu-ops the other day.
[21:44] <_Sponge> Hiya pleia2
[21:44] <pleia2> o/ _Sponge 
[21:44]  * knome goes look what's wrong with the page
[21:44]  * _Sponge thinks he's cseen pleia2 on flickr :-)
[21:44] <pleia2> Unit193: yeah, there's a big loop happening with discussion on the status (on ubuntu-community-team list too)
[21:44] <_Sponge> **seen#
[21:44] <_Sponge> **seen
[21:44] <pleia2> _Sponge: no doubt :) I post a lot
[21:45] <Unit193> Fun, fun.
[21:45] <_Sponge> good to talk, to you. Any books in the making ?
[21:45] <pleia2> _Sponge: working on an openstack book right now, and 9th edition of official ubuntu book after that
[21:45] <_Sponge> right-oh
[21:46] <knome> 23:44 @neale: okay, wiki should be read-write again
[21:46]  * _Sponge wonders if he could get a signed ubuntu book off ple
[21:46] <slickymaster> it doesn't appear so, knome 
[21:46]  * _Sponge wonders if he could get a signed ubuntu book off pleia2 ??
[21:46] <knome> slickymaster, i'm thinking you might be hitting the cache again, as usually :P
[21:47] <knome> slickymaster, so i won't believe you until you repeat that 10 times in the next 10 minutes
[21:47] <slickymaster> no, I'm on my laptop now
[21:47] <pleia2> _Sponge: drop me an email when the 9th edition comes out and I'll see what I can do :)
[21:47] <_Sponge> cheers !
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, the meetings page seems to work now
[21:47]  * _Sponge slides pleia2 a warm mocha :)
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, on the new wiki, that is
[21:47] <pleia2> knome: thanks
[21:48] <pleia2> knome: oh yes, lovely
[21:48] <knome> it might be related to the plugin that i wrote that allows us to use moinmoin-style comments
[21:48] <_Sponge> pleia2: Do you have www.xubuntu.wiki  ...yet ?
[21:48] <knome> (only # required and only on the beginning of the line, the dokuwiki plugins all seemed to require an opening and closing tag)
[21:49] <pleia2> _Sponge: wiki.xubuntu.org
[21:49] <knome> _Sponge, http://wiki.xubuntu.org/
[21:49] <pleia2> knome: I think it's ok to use the doku wiki syntax, yeah?
[21:49] <Unit193> pleia2: BTW, you don't need server stuff help, right?
[21:49] <Unit193> At least, not from me.
[21:49]  * _Sponge was just interested if xubuntu had bought it :)
[21:49] <knome> pleia2, actually dokuwiki doesn't support comments by default
[21:49] <pleia2> Unit193: I can handle day to day keep-system-upgraded, but if we add more services I tend to like having support running those
[21:50] <pleia2> Unit193: currently knome seems to have all that under control though
[21:50] <knome> pleia2, but there's also a usability issue with the comments; when you quickly want to remove/add a comment, it's so much better that you can do that by editing the first character of the line
[21:50]  * flocculant wanders off for a bit
[21:50] <pleia2> Unit193: it would be good to have a backup admin with keys to the castle (both linode and root)
[21:50] <Unit193> Great!  I had asked if I was slacking somewhere that I'd forgotten, and he said poke you.  Glad I'm not!
[21:50] <knome> that was ultimately what made me write the small plugin
[21:50] <pleia2> Unit193: so if you want to volunteer there, happy to share those keys :)
[21:51] <pleia2> knome: I see
[21:51] <pleia2> flocculant leaves right before the meeting, I see how it is
[21:51] <Unit193> pleia2: I'll do whatever you need me to do.
[21:51] <Unit193> ...I should likely pickup a wiki account sometime.
[21:51] <_Sponge> there's a meeting ??
[21:51] <knome> pleia2, now! dump ALL the work to him!
[21:51] <knome> _Sponge, in 9 minutes
[21:51] <_Sponge> right-oh
[21:52] <pleia2> Unit193: gpg key in lp current? (will send encrypted file with creds)
[21:52] <Unit193> knome: Oh, so meetingology output is moinmoin, that doesn't match dokuwiki I'm going to presume.
[21:52]  * _Sponge runs to the fridge for munchies.
[21:52] <pleia2> ((may not do it today))
[21:52] <knome> Unit193, that's the other thing.
[21:52] <Unit193> pleia2: Yes it is.  I can also toss you a ssh key.
[21:52] <pleia2> Unit193: okie, that will help with setting up user account
[21:53] <knome> i'm clearly a lost cause, no gpg mails :P
[21:53] <flocculant> knome can join flocculant's club
[21:54] <Unit193> I sign random things sent to xubuntu-devel@ :3
[21:54] <pleia2> knome: I don't sign or encrypt emails really anymore, just send encrypted files
[21:54] <knome> heh
[21:54] <knome> not to me!
[21:54] <pleia2> :)
[21:55] <pleia2> I do it for persistent credentials, not "change this when you log in or I'll send in the hounds"
[21:55] <knome> heh
[21:57]  * _Sponge returns with coffee & Danish ;-)
[21:59] <_Sponge> have we started yet ?
[21:59] <flocculant> are we there yet? 
[21:59] <knome> you would have noticed if we did :P
[21:59] <_Sponge> I'd like to free political prisoners !
[22:00] <slickymaster> #startmeeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 17 22:00:13 2016 UTC.  The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <slickymaster> Welcome all to the Xubuntu community meeting.  The agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:00] <slickymaster> Who's here for the meeting?
[22:01] <knome> o/
[22:01] <_Sponge> o/
[22:02] <krytarik> o/
[22:02] <Unit193> o/
[22:02] <krycek> \o
[22:02] <_Sponge> I'm happy to volunteer to run the 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest, if anyone's interested.
[22:02] <pleia2> o/
[22:02] <flocculant> o/
[22:02] <slickymaster> #topic Open action items
[22:03] <slickymaster> Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest
[22:03] <knome> so basically, here's where we are now:
[22:03] <slickymaster> knome, I think that is one of yours
[22:03] <knome> bluesabre was seting up a webapp that would be used to handle the submissions
[22:03] <knome> that's been set up, and i've worked with it a bit too, but...
[22:03] <_Sponge> yeah ?
[22:03] <knome> ...it's likely not what we want to use for submissions
[22:03] <pleia2> x_x
[22:04] <slickymaster> what are the issues with it, knome?
[22:04] <knome> so basically we'll need a new webapp, or we need to use something that is ready to use
[22:04] <_Sponge> so it's broke ?
[22:04] <knome> slickymaster, the biggest issues are that it doesn't really do what it is supposed to do, and there's a lot of overhead in the code
[22:04] <_Sponge> flickr ?
[22:05] <knome> flickr means the people submitting their images should have an account
[22:05] <_Sponge> and ?
[22:05] <knome> and it's not open source.
[22:05] <slickymaster> exactly
[22:05] <_Sponge> most photographers do.
[22:05] <_Sponge> mediagoblin ?
[22:05] <knome> we aren't only looking for photographs, and we also are trying not to exclude people
[22:06] <knome> the starting point with the webapp was that it would be accessible with a launchpad account
[22:06] <pleia2> do we have a list of criteria for what we need? (I know we've talked about this a bunch of times)
[22:06] <pleia2> licensing, preference for open source, etc
[22:06] <_Sponge> yeah, but it's broke, right ?
[22:06] <knome> which is something you pretty much need to contribute anything anyway
[22:06] <knome> pleia2, for the webapp or the submissions?
[22:06] <pleia2> knome: yes :)
[22:06] <knome> yes to what?
[22:06] <pleia2> they are one in the same
[22:07] <knome> well
[22:07] <pleia2> the webapp should support our criteria, or we should find something that does
[22:07] <knome> i meant the submissions as in the images
[22:07] <knome> but yeah, the webapp...
[22:07] <knome> i'm happy if it's open source
[22:07] <_Sponge> nme
[22:07] <knome> if it can handle the voting, that's a bonus
[22:07] <_Sponge> ** me too.
[22:07] <pleia2> ubuntu uses flickr, I think ubuntu studio has been as well
[22:08] <slickymaster> the studio folks used flickr for theirs, but as knome pointed out it's not open source
[22:08] <krycek> Their last one was on flickr, yes.
[22:08] <slickymaster> https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntustudiocreations/pool FWIW
[22:08] <flocculant> lubuntu do as well afaik
[22:09] <_Sponge> Crumbs, 10 minutes in, and we've not changed anything, yet.
[22:09] <knome> if we do flickr, then we might as well support all social media outlets - as long as we can access the submission somewhere...
[22:09] <_Sponge> Xubuntu G+ ?
[22:09] <knome> including google+, but not limited to
[22:10]  * _Sponge means the google community.
[22:10] <pleia2> I'm going to draw the line there, using a bunch of services just makes it horrible
[22:10] <knome> because we really don't want to lock in to any specific platform, especially if it's not controlled by us
[22:10] <_Sponge> Who's in charge of the Xubuntu Gplus community ?
[22:10] <knome> pleia2, i don't think that's optimal either.
[22:10] <pleia2> either we use one proprietary, or we keep on track for writing our own
[22:10] <knome> and i'm going to draw the line here - we won't use g+
[22:10] <branau> Something like that could be set up with WordPress pretty easliy
[22:10] <knome> :)
[22:11] <pleia2> _Sponge: a few or us have admin access, but the G+ has very poor image support these days, I don't think they even have the concept of licensing
[22:11] <pleia2> and it's hard to collect for something like this
[22:11] <branau> WordPress is open source :D
[22:11] <knome> i believe that we should still write our own
[22:11] <pleia2> knome: me too
[22:11] <slickymaster> +1
[22:11] <_Sponge> yeah, do a wordpress :)
[22:11] <knome> it would "only" need to support openid login (for launchpad), and uploads
[22:11] <branau> knome you mean like completely custom? No frameworks period?
[22:12] <flocculant> knome: that's fine - but it's almost b1 - how long do we wait? 
[22:12] <knome> frameworks are okay as long as they don't get in the way they did with the current one
[22:12] <branau> which framework was used?
[22:12] <flocculant> and will people be around right at the last minute to decide which we use
[22:12] <knome> symfony2
[22:12]  * _Sponge wanders off to OSS bed
[22:13] <knome> the problem was that bluesabre was the only one who really got familiar with it, and i would say even his level of familiarity wasn't very convincing
[22:13] <_Sponge> night night
[22:13] <knome> (sorry bluesabre!)
[22:13] <knome> night _Sponge 
[22:13] <slickymaster> night _Sponge 
[22:13] <knome> branau, what would you suggest?
[22:13] <flocculant> cya _Sponge 
[22:13] <slickymaster> flocculant, did raise a valid point, which is time
[22:13] <branau> https://wordpress.org/plugins/openid/
[22:14] <branau> Looks like there's a WP plugin for openid logins
[22:14] <pleia2> yeah, the xubuntu site certainly uses one (not sure which)
[22:14] <knome> we are using that, but tbh, writing a wordpress plugin for the submissions itself sounds like a bigger job than creating the whole app from the scratch
[22:14] <branau> I've done extensive work with WP and even done some custom plugin work for a few sites, so even if this plugin doesn't work, it shouldn't be too much work to get it up and running
[22:14] <pleia2> knome: that's my worry too, but if branau wants to volunteer :)
[22:14] <knome> pleia2, it's that one, plus some specific launchpad integration ones
[22:15] <pleia2> knome: I think we'd run our own wordpress install for this though, not try to get the plugin accepted for xubuntu.org
[22:15] <knome> pleia2, totally
[22:15] <pleia2> we can even tear it down at the end and start new each cycle
[22:15] <branau> pleia2: I'm happy to volunteer :D
[22:15] <branau> I don't think we'd need a plugin for submissions though
[22:15] <knome> branau, with what kind of schedule?
[22:15] <pleia2> so it's not a long term maintenance problem, we can back up the photo submissions themselves somewhere static
[22:15] <branau> A simple form should suffice.
[22:16] <pleia2> would this require the user to have a login to wordpress?
[22:16] <pleia2> (or openid)
[22:16] <pleia2> and would they be able to review/adjust their submission?
[22:17] <knome> i actually just read about the file uploads in wordpress, and the right way (tm) to do it...
[22:17] <knome> that said, if it's not going to be long-term storage, i think we could just do with a simple form
[22:18] <knome> without logging in
[22:18] <pleia2> knome: I'm inclined to agree, but I also want it to be a decent experience for submitters, did it actually go through? are they on the list of nominations?
[22:18] <knome> well, we likely want people to log in...
[22:18] <pleia2> black hole submissions are not a good user experience
[22:18] <knome> yes.
[22:18] <knome> and no login means anybody can spam the site potentially
[22:18] <pleia2> yep
[22:18] <pleia2> with no way to block them
[22:19] <knome> yep
[22:19] <knome> branau1, did you drop out? what was the last comment you saw?
[22:19] <branau1> Sorry, I think I got disconnected a minute
[22:19] <branau1> 4:15:51 PM - pleia2: […] o it's not a long term maintenance problem, we can back up the photo submissions themselves somewhere static
[22:19] <branau1> 4:15:58 PM - branau: A simple form should suffice.
[22:19] <branau1> 4:16:38 PM - branau: knome: Depends on when we need this. I work 9-5 usually so in the afternoons I'm generally free.
[22:19] <branau1> 4:16:42 PM - branau: Weekends I have tons of free time
[22:19] <branau1> That's the last I saw
[22:19] <knome> ok, i'll PM you what you missed
[22:19] <branau1> Thanks
[22:19] <branau1> #thirdWorldCountryInternet
[22:20] <knome> ok, done
[22:20] <knome> so my thought here is
[22:20] <knome> the user logs in to wordpress using their launchpad account
[22:20] <knome> along with the requirements we just set
[22:21] <knome> now, to do things right, and since the user is logged in, they should use the built-in media manager in a way
[22:21] <pleia2> which makes them agree to terms and licensing for the submission
[22:21] <knome> but potentially extended in a way that allows them to select license/attribution/etc
[22:21] <knome> in other words - a custom form that uses the media uploader
[22:22]  * pleia2 nods
[22:22] <branau> Sounds good
[22:22] <knome> once that's done, they should see their submissions - but only their submissions - on the admin - on another custom view
[22:22] <knome> and edit them
[22:22] <knome> again, if possible, via the built-in media manager
[22:22] <flocculant> can I just say something here
[22:22] <knome> yes
[22:22] <krycek> Also, UIF is March 10th.
[22:22] <branau> Doesn't sound too tough to set up, I'd be willing to bet that half of these can be managed via plugins
[22:23] <knome> krycek, these aren't default wallpapers, no need for UIF
[22:23] <knome> branau, that's the problem; the plugins are designed to do what they do, not this custom case
[22:23] <flocculant> it is now almost week 18 of 26, so we need to see this all up - then advertise it - hope to get people send things in - choose which one(s) we use - get that in the seed
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, ack.
[22:23] <branau> knome: Plugins can be modded :D
[22:24] <flocculant> I'd be a lot more interested if we were in week 8 
[22:24] <knome> flocculant, if we start taking submissions on week 20, we can allow them for 2-4 weeks and still have time to drop them in the seed
[22:24] <knome> flocculant, i know that isn't ideal, and my target is ASAP
[22:24] <pleia2> flocculant: indeed, it's unfortunate that it's so late for an LTS
[22:24] <pleia2> but here we are
[22:24] <pleia2> maybe it'll make it more exciting :D
[22:25] <flocculant> knome: right - so 2 weeks to get it all set up - and hope we get submissions
[22:25] <knome> flocculant, if we don't, then there will be no community wallpaper package
[22:25] <knome> :P
[22:25] <knome> branau, true, but all that makes me think that it would be simpler to create our own
[22:25]  * flocculant just shakes his head - we should have had this discussion properly weeks ago 
[22:26] <knome> flocculant, actually, we did, then bluesabre took his time and the path didn't lead anywhere
[22:26] <flocculant> not that I'm blaming anyone - I'm just as capable of shouting that we should be sorting something out 
[22:26] <knome> flocculant, but as pleia2 said; here we are
[22:26] <flocculant> knome: ack - I know that :)
[22:26] <knome> (and i'm not blaming bluesabre either)
[22:26] <flocculant> :)
[22:27] <knome> branau, so again about the schedule... do you think you could have a PoC setup for us this weekend?
[22:27] <pleia2> branau: no pressure ;)
[22:27] <branau> knome: PoC?
[22:27] <knome> proof of concept
[22:27] <pleia2> proof of concept
[22:27]  * knome high-fives pleia2 
[22:27]  * flocculant types slower ... 
[22:27] <branau> Ah, you mean like a demo?
[22:27] <pleia2> branau: yeah
[22:27] <flocculant> yea
[22:27] <knome> well, like a demo that can be iterated to the final version
[22:27] <slickymaster> knome, will you look into the WP plugins possibility with branau?
[22:28] <knome> my point of view is that we should write our own, so i'm kind of reluctant to do that ;)
[22:28] <knome> but i can help with it
[22:28] <branau> Sure, where exactly would I host it?
[22:28] <branau> I have a personal website
[22:28] <branau> With unlimited storage
[22:28] <knome> that works if you are willing to use that
[22:28] <pleia2> might start with a personal site, we'll move to our community server when it's ready for production
[22:28] <branau> Yeah, it won't be a problem
[22:28] <knome> ^ what pleia2 said
[22:29] <knome> and i can test it on my host once it's in a point where we start thinking of moving it to make sure it can be moved
[22:29]  * pleia2 thumbs up
[22:29] <branau> Cool, if anyone else wants to contribute to it then I can get ftp credentials set up
[22:29] <knome> branau, if you can be around in this channel, that would be *very* good
[22:29] <knome> branau, i would actually prefer if we had a repository for it
[22:29] <branau> knome: I usually am, just not actively. I have it open
[22:29] <slickymaster> can I action this knome, so we can move along?
[22:29] <knome> i'm fine with bzr in launchpad or git in github
[22:29] <slickymaster> #action knome and branau will look into the WP plugins possibility with branau?
[22:29] <meetingology> ACTION: knome and branau will look into the WP plugins possibility with branau?
[22:30] <branau> knome: I was going to set it up in git, have a preferred VCS?
[22:30] <knome> branau, i have a github account (knomepasi), that works
[22:30] <slickymaster> can we proceed?
[22:30] <krycek> And, Launchpad does git too now.
[22:30] <pleia2> we tend to use bzr on launchpad, but it's not a blocker (I can use github too)
[22:30] <knome> let me think for 30secs
[22:30] <pleia2> krycek: indeed
[22:31] <pleia2> and launchpad is open source, github is not ;)
[22:31] <knome> heh
[22:31] <branau> knome: I'm much more familiar with git, but I can set it up however you prefer
[22:31]  * pleia2 stops being a problem
[22:31] <knome> branau, git works, no problem for me
[22:31] <pleia2> yeah, git's fine
[22:31] <knome> branau, so, to summarize:
[22:31] <knome> let's be in touch (daily, if possible)
[22:31] <knome> and if you need something, feel free to ping me
[22:32] <knome> from finding a plugin to writing code
[22:32] <knome> and from the webapp requirements to whatnot
[22:32] <slickymaster> #undo
[22:32] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[22:32] <knome> let's set sunday night as the deadline for a PoC that is functional in some way
[22:33] <branau_> Got disconnected again
[22:33] <knome> #action knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21
[22:33] <meetingology> ACTION: knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21
[22:33] <branau_> Last I saw was let's stay in touch daily 
[22:33] <knome> ok, i'll paste you in PM again
[22:33] <branau_> Thanks 
[22:34] <slickymaster> ok, moving on
[22:34] <slickymaster> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:34] <slickymaster> Vivid was EOL on February 4th <- https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-January/000203.html
[22:34] <Nairwolf> knome: what is a PoC ? 
[22:34] <knome> Nairwolf, proof of concept
[22:34] <slickymaster> almost two weeks now
[22:34] <Nairwolf> ok
[22:34] <knome> is there something we didn't cover with the EOL stuff?
[22:34] <Nairwolf> branau: in which language you want to write this plugin ? Maybe we can talk about that later
[22:35] <knome> Nairwolf, wordpress, so php
[22:35] <flocculant> knome: we didn't website it in the end 
[22:35] <branau1> Nairwolf: WP is strictly PHP as far as I know
[22:35] <slickymaster> I think that eveyrthing was taken care of, knome 
[22:35] <Nairwolf> ok, so, not for me
[22:35] <knome> flocculant, as a blog article, yeah
[22:35] <Nairwolf> thanks
[22:35] <knome> but i've removed vivid from the support page
[22:35] <knome> and from the docs startpage
[22:35] <flocculant> yep
[22:35] <krycek> All PPA packages for vivid are gone too.
[22:36] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/release/15-04/
[22:36] <knome> that's also up-to-date (since the beginning)
[22:36] <knome> i think we're fine
[22:37] <slickymaster> anyone else has any update or announcement?
[22:37] <flocculant> trusty point release tomorrow
[22:38] <flocculant> #info trusty point release tomorrow
[22:38] <slickymaster> there's still time for some late testing
[22:38] <flocculant> just
[22:38] <knome> #info knome moved a lot of the wiki pages to the new xubuntu wiki; the old ones are redirected correctly to both the wiki and the contributor docs
[22:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: I'll be randomly marking it ready at some point tomorrow - after another rebuild lands
[22:39] <krycek> knome: Got a template page for the meetings yet?
[22:39] <slickymaster> yeah, saw your ping to ochosi and bluesabre re that earlier today flocculant 
[22:39] <knome> krycek, no, and we only get the meeting output in moin markup
[22:39] <knome> so let's keep the meetings archive in the moin wiki for now...
[22:40] <flocculant> is that an update, announcement or just offtopic :p
[22:40] <slickymaster> a mixed of the three
[22:41] <slickymaster> * mix
[22:41] <knome> mixed
[22:42] <slickymaster> anything else?
[22:42] <flocculant> anything I've done is on tracker afaik
[22:42] <pleia2> knome: anything we should talk about?
[22:42] <flocculant> oh
[22:42] <pleia2> Two article series to lead to the 16.04 LTS release
[22:42] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011031.html
[22:42] <pleia2> this is a thing
[22:43] <knome> yes, it's a thing
[22:43] <pleia2> so if anyone not pitching in wants to, please do
[22:43] <flocculant> #info 2nd IRC testing session ran - not likely to run those again
[22:43] <knome> totally
[22:43] <knome> basially, the media manager stuff is almost taken care of except getting the answers from people
[22:43]  * pleia2 nods
[22:43] <knome> for the other series (small details, faq-like series), we will likely need more ideas to choose from and writers too
[22:44] <knome> as the mail says, the planning happens at http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series
[22:44] <knome> and again, if any questions, i'm available here or via email
[22:45] <pleia2> flocculant: sorry to hear the testing sessions didn't work out, but thank you for trying them
[22:45] <flocculant> yup
[22:45] <flocculant> more or less concurs with testing we get done tbh 
[22:45] <pleia2> :\
[22:46] <flocculant> *shrug*
[22:46] <knome> i think it's great that we did the sessions
[22:46] <pleia2> agreed
[22:46] <knome> and tbh, if there is any motivation left, we should probably try to organize more later
[22:46] <knome> not necessarily only for testing
[22:46] <flocculant> most people aren't interested until they install a new version and something doesn't work for them - nothing new there :)
[22:47] <pleia2> tbh people keep telling me they want videos, which breaks my brain, but I guess I understand
[22:47] <flocculant> knome: not much of that tbh
[22:47] <flocculant> pleia2: and absolutely none of that :)
[22:47] <knome> we can do videos, but i don't know how they will help...
[22:47] <pleia2> maybe next cycle we find someone who is not camera-shy to do that :)
[22:47] <knome> they will just point to boring stuff (sorry flocculant, but i guess you agree)
[22:47] <knome> i mean, meh
[22:48] <flocculant> yup totally
[22:48] <knome> testing *is* not exciting
[22:48] <pleia2> knome: the point is that people want to see a video of someone clicking through and explaining step by step how to do it, on a video
[22:48] <slickymaster> can we move along?
[22:48] <knome> a video doesn't make it exciting
[22:48] <pleia2> knome: I hate videos, so I don't understand it, but it's totally a Thing
[22:48] <knome> flocculant, maybe screencasts with no voice but overlays
[22:48] <flocculant> slickymaster: I thought we were in discussions without the #discussion
[22:48] <pleia2> anyway, just tossing that out there, as feedback from the social medias
[22:48] <slickymaster> lol
[22:48] <slickymaster> indeed
[22:49] <flocculant> knome: possibly - but who'd want to watch someone adding a ppa for 5 minutes when it takes 30 seconds to read the words
[22:49] <flocculant> pleia2: ^^
[22:49] <flocculant> #discussion
[22:49] <flocculant> that worked then :p
[22:50] <knome> flocculant, those who like the videos...
[22:50] <pleia2> flocculant: the videos should probably be edited to skip through that kind of thing :)
[22:50] <flocculant> pleia2: why? That's what it would be about
[22:50] <pleia2> there are people in the world who are good at this stuff
[22:50] <Guest79749> hi, I just installed xubuntu and updated etc etc, all was fine until I rebooted and the top panel/taskbar has disappeared...can anyone help me sort it out please?
[22:50] <flocculant> Guest79749: #xubuntu
[22:50] <pleia2> Guest79749: we're having a meeting right now
[22:50] <Guest79749> ok ta, soz
[22:51] <slickymaster> #topic Discussion items
[22:51] <flocculant> pleia2: there might be - but there appear to be 3 or 4 people active in *test* - not sure any of us are them :)
[22:52] <pleia2> flocculant: fair enough, just tossing it out there
[22:52] <flocculant> yea - understand that :)
[22:52] <flocculant> it is a dry subject :)
[22:52] <flocculant> install this - did it work? 
[22:52] <flocculant> :)
[22:53] <slickymaster> I know it's not in the agenda but there's something I'd like to ask which is what are our plans regarding USC replacement?
[22:53] <pleia2> slickymaster: yeah, I was just asking about that before our meeting
[22:53] <flocculant> pleia2: I'd love to have so many people testing that I had to manage it - as everyone should know 
[22:53] <slickymaster> I'm asking this mainly concerning about the -docs side of this, because there will be a need for a lot of rewording
[22:54] <flocculant> perhaps subtopic it 
[22:54] <pleia2> Ubuntu is making progress on using gnome-software as a replacement
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, no idea yet for the final decision
[22:54] <flocculant> I haz quote
[22:54] <pleia2> I think our decision needs to be gnome-software vs. synaptic
[22:54] <slickymaster> #subtopic USC replacement
[22:54] <knome> pleia2, likely
[22:55] <flocculant> [18:14:35] <alkisg> one, when will gnome-software actually replace software center?
[22:55] <flocculant> [18:14:57] <alkisg> and two, I'm upstream + debian maintainer for 2 packages, can I sync them with ubuntu (with the appdata changes) even after the debian import freeze tomorrow?
[22:55] <flocculant> [18:15:13] <Laney> within days and yes
[22:55] <pleia2> from today: 
[22:55] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-February/004785.html
[22:55] <pleia2> that's about fixing packages related to it
[22:55] <pleia2> but work is being done
[22:55] <flocculant> pleia2: yep - catalyst for the above quote from Laney
[22:55]  * pleia2 nods
[22:56] <flocculant> and re USC or not 
[22:56] <pleia2> I think USC makes no sense for us
[22:56] <pleia2> tbh, never did really :\
[22:56] <pleia2> but it worked so long as Ubuntu used it too
[22:56] <flocculant> if USC has been more or less unmaintained for *a while* - would using it for 3 years unmaintained be that much of a problem for us? 
[22:57] <pleia2> I think so
[22:57] <knome> slickymaster, what's your take on the deadline for the decision to make sure we have time to change the docs and allow translators to work with it?
[22:57] <pleia2> until now vital problems have been fixed, with Ubuntu really pulling support we wouldn't even get that
[22:57] <slickymaster> mid march at the most knome 
[22:58] <pleia2> I also think there's a problem with the dependencies (python?) but I'm not positive
[22:58] <knome> slickymaster, can you info that so it gets specifically saved to the minutes
[22:58] <flocculant> pleia2: currently g-s still fails to see anything for me - so until it does - hard to decide
[22:58] <slickymaster> what exactly knome? the deadline?
[22:58] <flocculant> on the other hand - I never use USC and am extremely unlikely to use g-s
[22:58] <pleia2> flocculant: yeah, it may mean we go back to synaptic
[22:58] <knome> slickymaster, yes
[22:58] <pleia2> flocculant: same
[22:58] <knome> same here
[22:58] <knome> but we are not the regular users
[22:58] <pleia2> knome: right
[22:58] <flocculant> I use synaptic when I'm not sure of a package
[22:59] <flocculant> knome: ack
[22:59] <knome> when i'm not sure, i use apt-cache search
[22:59] <knome> D:
[22:59] <pleia2> yeah, I only use the cli
[22:59] <flocculant> and synaptic afaik doesn't worrk with those bought things
[22:59] <knome> no idea
[22:59] <pleia2> I don't know if bought things are much of a thing anymore
[22:59] <knome> though we can just tell that the people who have bought things they should install g-s
[22:59] <krycek> And there's translations to keep in mind.
[22:59] <flocculant> right - that's probably the issue we need to worry about more for 'users' 
[23:00] <flocculant> pleia2: ok - really not sure - never did that :)
[23:00] <knome> i don't think it's a majority of our users anyway
[23:00] <slickymaster> #info Mid March should be the the deadline for a decision regarding the USC replacement, taking in consideration the needed time to change the documentations and allow translators to work with it
[23:00] <flocculant> I guess as a fallback position I would be happy with synaptic - plus a wiki page of some sort > if you need the things USC had - install g0s
[23:00] <knome> slickymaster, great!
[23:01] <knome> flocculant, wiki o.O?
[23:01] <knome> flocculant, you don't mean docs?
[23:01] <knome>  :P
[23:01] <pleia2> flocculant: +1
[23:01] <flocculant> knome: whatever we want to call it - you know what I mean 
[23:01] <slickymaster> yeah, that falls more on the -docs that on a wiki page
[23:01] <flocculant> missing :)
[23:01] <knome> flocculant, i don't ;)
[23:02] <flocculant> knome: ok - so as long as it is written somewhere somehow - I am happy with that fallback position
[23:02] <knome> hehe
[23:02] <knome> great
[23:02] <flocculant> also
[23:03] <pleia2> who is assigned to tracking gnome-software progression in ubuntu so we can intelligently make this decision in a few weeks?
[23:03] <flocculant> while slickymaster is happy with mid-march for docs we need input from bluesabre or whoever - likely that date is sooner
[23:03] <knome> i don't think anybody can be assigned to make sure we make intelligent decisions
[23:03] <bluesabre> hey all
[23:03] <knome> there he is
[23:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: hi there :)
[23:03] <slickymaster> sooner the better flocculant 
[23:03] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre (speaking of the devil)
[23:03] <bluesabre> trusty.4 +1 from me
[23:03] <knome> of course, everything is ASAP
[23:03] <bluesabre> if thats the question
[23:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks :D
[23:04] <flocculant> no it isn't :D
[23:04] <bluesabre> :D
[23:04] <flocculant> or rather was earlier :)
[23:04] <slickymaster> USC bluesabre 
[23:04] <slickymaster> what's your take
[23:04] <slickymaster> ?
[23:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: basically slickymaster is happy with mid-march for docs if we use it - what about you? 
[23:04] <knome> or in other words, when do we need the decision about the default package manager for 16.04 from your point of view
[23:04] <bluesabre> ok
[23:05] <bluesabre> too early to tell since it's still not functional, right?
[23:05] <knome> regardless what the decision is
[23:05] <bluesabre> but overall, if its good to go soon, I'll be +1
[23:05] <knome> eg. when do you need to know how to change the seed
[23:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: don't know about you - but it still shows nothing not installed
[23:05] <flocculant> and isn't good at showing what I do have
[23:05] <bluesabre> right
[23:06] <krycek> If fop is ever fixed this cycle. :D
[23:06] <bluesabre> what's the current status overall, or is it still dead for all flavors?
[23:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: the other option on the table is revert to synaptic + a wiki/page/something along the lines of 'if you need things USC gave you - install g-s' 
[23:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: hard to tell tbh
[23:07] <flocculant> I've seen nothing from anyone other than people in -desktop trying to get it sorted and landed properly as default
[23:07] <knome> *i* would still just want to know when bluesabre needs the decision (whatever it was)
[23:07] <flocculant> yea
[23:07] <bluesabre> ok
[23:07]  * slickymaster too knome 
[23:07] <bluesabre> give me a sec....
[23:07] <flocculant> :D
[23:07] <knome> gone
[23:07] <knome> answer now please
[23:07] <flocculant> ha ha 
[23:08] <bluesabre> tomorrow is feature freeze, but I can imagine an exception would be granted for this case (since its still broken)
[23:08] <knome> totally
[23:08] <flocculant> almost a cast-iron guarantee :)
[23:09] <bluesabre> March 10 is UI freeze
[23:09] <knome> how long are we comfortable to push back?
[23:09] <knome> we don't have to worry about the UI freeze
[23:09] <knome> they always want us to contact the art, doc and web teams of xubuntu to make sure they are ok with the change
[23:09] <knome> that's pretty easy for me
[23:10] <bluesabre> maybe March 7 would be a good milestone
[23:10] <knome> but yeah, maybe it's a good target anyway
[23:10] <bluesabre> gives us 2.5 weeks for testing before final beta
[23:10]  * slickymaster agrees with that time frame
[23:10] <bluesabre> or maybe March 10, just to line things up nicely
[23:10] <flocculant> but does it give us time to pull out? 
[23:11] <flocculant> for g-s
[23:11] <flocculant> if we said 'noooooooooope' we'll use synaptic thanks 
[23:11] <bluesabre> I think that's enough time to pull out
[23:11] <bluesabre> changing the seed is usually reflected by next day, easily within 2
[23:11] <knome> flocculant, and for QA, are you comfortable with that schedule?
[23:12] <knome> (likely the answer is no anyway, but is it in any way non-utopia)
[23:12] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:12] <flocculant> well 
[23:13] <flocculant> the thing is - it's not really something I would be comfortable with if the only person I get reports from is me in my sleep
[23:13] <knome> haha
[23:13] <flocculant> we'd all need to try and use it if we had it
[23:13] <knome> yes
[23:13] <bluesabre> Agreed
[23:13] <krycek> synaptic it is!
[23:13] <slickymaster> mm mm
[23:13] <knome> i guess the idea is that we would all try it before making the decision
[23:13] <flocculant> otherwise I'm not going to be +1'ing it if it is just me 
[23:13] <knome> eg. before the deadline :P
[23:14] <flocculant> yea
[23:14] <flocculant> which relies on it actually working
[23:14] <bluesabre> yup
[23:14] <flocculant> so - meet rock and hard place :)
[23:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: do you know where we stand on that? Are there plans for it to start working soon? :D
[23:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: mini Laney quote for it landing "<Laney> within days "
[23:15] <bluesabre> ok
[23:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-February/004785.html yet? 
[23:15] <bluesabre> not yet
[23:16] <bluesabre> came in here in a hurry when I saw my pings
[23:16] <bluesabre> oh that
[23:16] <bluesabre> yes, saw that
[23:16] <knome> hahah
[23:16] <flocculant> http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/universe/issues/index.html is the only bit I've seen that get's a hit from 'xub'
[23:16] <bluesabre> several xfce components have support for that now
[23:16] <bluesabre> we just have to confirm things are good in the packaging
[23:16] <bluesabre> and fix otherwise
[23:17] <bluesabre> (me, Unit193, Noskcaj)
[23:17] <flocculant> right
[23:17] <bluesabre> it's an interesting position currently
[23:17] <flocculant> anyway - back to g-s - I'll be happy if I see people using it and them being happy with it :)
[23:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: it is 
[23:17] <pleia2> flocculant: same
[23:18] <bluesabre> gnome-software is going to be the new standard, but isn't ready right before b1
[23:18] <bluesabre> usc probably won't be supported going forward
[23:18] <bluesabre> synaptic is a crappy experience for new folks
[23:18] <flocculant> yep
[23:18] <bluesabre> and advanced folks just use apt
[23:18] <bluesabre> :D
[23:18] <flocculant> :(
[23:18] <pleia2> s/advanced/old
[23:18] <flocculant> nowhere for me 
[23:18] <slickymaster> #action Team members to take the solemn commitment of using g-s from now until March 10th
[23:18] <meetingology> ACTION: Team members to take the solemn commitment of using g-s from now until March 10th
[23:18] <slickymaster> #undo
[23:18] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[23:19] <flocculant> yea
[23:19] <bluesabre> thanks slickymaster
[23:19] <flocculant> slickymaster: we can't until it actually works :p
[23:19] <bluesabre> hopefully sooner than later
[23:19] <flocculant> yea 
[23:19] <bluesabre> I'll try to get the packages up to snuff before then
[23:19] <bluesabre> juggling a lot of things at once lately
[23:19] <bluesabre> :)
[23:20] <flocculant> but from my pov - ok for ubuntu to decide all is hunky dory in April cos they have autotesting - without xfce
[23:20] <krycek> And free SRUs.
[23:21] <flocculant> so atm we are in the unenviable postition of not knowing quite yet :)
[23:21] <flocculant> slickymaster: I'd do an action starting with Once it works
[23:21] <flocculant> :)
[23:21] <bluesabre> we find ourselves here once every other cycle
[23:21] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:21] <slickymaster> lol
[23:21] <bluesabre> comes with the -team membership ;)
[23:21] <flocculant> :)
[23:22] <slickymaster> ok, does any one has anything else to say?
[23:22] <flocculant> on that I am all talked out for the time being :)
[23:22] <bluesabre> anything else I need to answer before we conclude?
[23:23] <flocculant> not that I know of immediately 
[23:23] <knome> bluesabre, what color underwear are you using right now?
[23:23] <slickymaster> being so, the only left to do is
[23:23] <slickymaster> #action pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[23:23] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[23:23] <pleia2> aw man
[23:23] <slickymaster> #endmeeting
[23:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 23:23:53 2016 UTC.  
[23:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-02-17-22.00.moin.txt
[23:23] <bluesabre> knome: looks like blue :P
[23:23] <knome> but my question was immediate :P
[23:24] <bluesabre> waited for meeting to end
[23:24] <bluesabre> :D
[23:24] <knome> not straw man
[23:24] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:24] <pleia2> hehe
[23:24] <slickymaster> thanks all
[23:24] <flocculant> thanks slickymaster 
[23:24] <knome> bluesabre, well done dodging that one :P
[23:24] <bluesabre> thanks slickymaster, you rock
[23:24] <knome> "you rock"
[23:24] <knome> that's rude
[23:24] <pleia2> btw, I'm traveling next week, so next meeting will be first week of march
[23:24] <knome> calling other people rocks...
[23:24] <bluesabre> sorry I mostly missed another meeting you guys
[23:24] <slickymaster> I will, come May
[23:24] <pleia2> (I think we're ok to wait that long)
[23:24] <slickymaster> AC/DC are back in Portugal
[23:24] <knome> if we want a meeting in between, i can chair that
[23:30] <flocculant> or I
[23:30] <knome> now we only need to decide whether we want that meeting :D
[23:30] <flocculant> or I guess whoever decides we should get one in :)
[23:31] <knome> i don't have anything special, so...
[23:32] <flocculant> nope
[23:33] <flocculant> rebuild is off 
[23:33] <flocculant> sigh
[23:33] <flocculant> s/off/started
[23:33] <flocculant> for those of you not thinking of horses - but a finish :p
[23:34] <knome> as long as the horses stay their stalls..
[23:34] <flocculant> :)
[23:34] <slickymaster> minutes are up
[23:35] <flocculant> I see I was noisy again
[23:35] <knome> nosey
[23:35] <flocculant> why do we suddenly get the whole logs in the page? 
[23:35] <knome> :d
[23:35] <knome> i think because slickymaster copied it
[23:35] <knome> :P
[23:36]  * slickymaster likes to give knome the stage