[02:28] ochosi: will try to submit it this week. If I don't get to expose the setting, I at least want to make the default icon-only (as 1.4.x) [06:07] <_Sponge> Bonjour tout le monde ! [07:07] bluesabre: alright, fine by me [10:50] hmm. === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu | http://ubottu.com/y/xx | Wiki: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/ | Daily testing with results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu | http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ | Release Schedule: http://ubottu.com/y/xx | Daily testing with results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [11:18] narf [11:19] http://dev.xubuntu.org/ points to the new integrated style now, but is still WIP [11:19] everything should work though, might just look silly [11:25] looking good knome .. Although the calendar doesn't show in Midori.. shows up fine in Firefox.. :-) [11:28] doesn't show in Chrome either... [11:28] knome, the calendar isn't showing in Chrome, also [11:28] :) [11:31] I can confirm that [11:32] JS errors... [11:32] isn't showing as in the tab doesn't seem to load at all or the calendar iframe isn't visible? [11:32] also, is the calendar showing in tracker.xubuntu.org? [11:33] ^ there's been some weird "doesn't load" issues for me too [11:33] status_workitems.js:296: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token = [11:33] status.js:102: Uncaught ReferenceError: wi_clear_all_filters is not defined [11:33] knome: tab opens, big blank area for the calendar [11:33] weird [11:33] i don't see those js error either [11:34] the iframe isn't visible at all knome [11:34] no getting any js errors either [11:34] weird [11:35] bluesabre, your line: [11:35] same as slickymasterWork for me .. completely white where it should be [11:35] function wi_clear_all_filters( refresh = true ) { [11:35] that's standard definition [11:36] well, for a new version [11:36] knome: just saying what chromium tells me [11:36] (eg. ecmascript2015) [11:36] yeah, but that's also why you get the other message [11:36] slickymasterWork, Akxwi-dave: so is it visible in tracker.xubuntu.org? [11:37] because if you do, then that's weird [11:37] no its not for me.. [11:37] knome: also does not work on tracker currently [11:37] nopes, also [11:37] same js errors displayed [11:38] not getting any [11:38] thats on both Xubuntu versions and windows versions.. both whitespace.. FF works fine on both OSes [11:39] works fine in firefox [11:39] same here knome, both in windows and xubuntu [11:39] * slickymasterWork doesn't have ff :P [11:40] right, so chrome-specific [11:40] ok, i'll look at it [11:40] but now, lunch time [11:40] it actually looks really good in FF with the new style [11:40] enjoy knome [11:40] enjoy lunch.. [11:40] enjoy knome lunch [11:41] :D [12:00] D: [12:00] slickymasterWork, does wiki or irc work for you? :P [12:00] no knome [12:01] yeah [12:01] good job chrome [12:01] lol [12:01] do they work now? [12:02] give me a second, please [12:02] sure [12:02] i'm not on the back of a rabbi(t) [12:02] still the same, knome :( [12:02] i don't believe [12:02] do a hard refresh [12:02] none of the three work [12:03] ok [12:04] no difference knome [12:04] wait [12:05] slickymasterWork, and you are looking at dev.xubuntu.org? [12:05] they're working now [12:05] 1o/ [12:05] yeah, wait; the loading is happening only when you open the tab [12:05] so there will always be a small delay the first time you go to one of those tabs [12:05] yeaps, the three are functional now [12:05] good good [12:05] so it was actually what bluesabre said [12:06] chrome can't handle the parameter, so it'll just decide none of the JS should work [12:06] :P [12:07] \o/ [12:08] ok, so next i'll ask you for your opinion on a few things [12:08] ok, I'll be around for another 45 minutes [12:08] since we've been using the ubuntu wiki, does anybody else of you feel like the wiki edit button should be at the left top? :P [12:09] I'm not particularity vehement about its position [12:10] you'll notice if you are when you edit 20 pages [12:10] bottom right would be my choice, if you'd ask me [12:10] def not bottom [12:10] or maybe a second one at the bottom [12:10] yeah, not bottom :| [12:10] knome: like

[Edit] [12:10] i'm actually thinking of getting rid of the whole bottom bar as it is now [12:10] ? [12:10] maybe [12:10] but it isn't nav really :) [12:10] right [12:11] [Edit] [12:11] ^ much longer to type [12:11] i don't even know if it's meaningful to show the page filename [12:11] the other thing i don't know if we need is the breadcrumbs :D [12:12] I think they can be handy here, since there is not an easy way to get back up otherwise [12:12] yeah, for that i'm considering to creating a dokuwiki plugin [12:12] that shows all the siblings/children/parent on all pages [12:12] nifty [12:13] in a somewhat compact form [12:13] the whole wiki is hard to navigate now [12:13] because we haven't used to link to all pages from all pages [12:13] only the header - but that just gives you the "start" pages anyway [12:14] gotta run, bbl [12:14] hf [12:35] leaving this while I *am* connected - rebuilds up - would like to see *some* results on the tracker which aren't mine :) [12:36] noble thought [12:36] followed by a sighing one :p [12:36] ;) [12:38] knome: re edit button position - I logged out and logged in because I thought I wasn't - because I couldn't see the edit button :D [12:38] yep [12:39] just thought I would add my pennyworth :) [13:08] flocculant: I'll trade you, 100 tests from me for fixing the clutter integration in parole [13:09] i'll trade the website code maintaining too :P [13:09] thats all i've done for the past few days [13:09] :) [13:09] but not for the clutter stuff === qwebirc125715 is now known as slickymasterWork [16:31] bluesabre: if I could I would :) [16:52] jjfrv8: are you still seeing bug 1395323 - cos I'm not [16:52] bug 1395323 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword opens multiple windows when spacebar is pressed, until a new file is opened" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395323 [17:42] bluesabre ochosi - I'll be ahppy to mark trusty ready whenever - just need ack's [19:01] bluesabre: bug 1546695 [19:01] bug 1546695 in thunar (Ubuntu) "USB remounted following eject" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546695 [19:01] not sure what anyone wants me to provide [19:53] flocculant: USB stick or harddisk? I always thought it was a problem with my harddisk... [19:54] Maybe dmesg? Sometimes contains info about mounting and such [20:33] in case others haven't seen yet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-February/004785.html [20:33] not sure how much we can get directly involved in supporting bits of the move to gnome-software, but worth a look if we have bored devs (hah hah) [20:33] and i guess we should fix our own packages if/where needed [20:35] seems like decision time regarding the installer in general is due soon [20:35] but I haven't had the bandwidth to keep up :\ [20:36] that's fine, we have bots... i mean people like Unit193 taking care of it [20:36] <3 Unit193 [20:37] oh right, we have a meeting today [20:37] we do [20:37] go me [20:37] >_> [20:37] wednesday is my board gaming evening [20:37] the wiki is read only, so we can't add anything to the agenda [20:37] knome: Is that a Xubuntu community meeting ? [20:37] so i might normally only free about these times, and be kind of exhausted [20:37] branau, yes [20:38] unless we moved that? :) [20:38] knome: What time is it? I keep meaning to attend them but I always miss the times [20:38] branau, in 1 hour, 22 minutes [20:38] branau: 1hr 20 minutes, here [20:38] Sweet, thanks [20:38] branau: we'd be glad to have you :) [20:38] moar participants \o/ [20:38] knome: Not sure if you remember or not, I talked to you a few weeks back about helping out with the site [20:38] pleia2, i was thinking whether there should be some community force in an EditorGroup in the ubuntu wiki [20:38] pleia2: Thanks! >D [20:38] branau, now that you say that, i can vaguely remember [20:39] :D [20:39] knome: should be, I'm thinking similar to what we proposed for the help wiki [20:39] knome: Olin suomessa myös [20:39] branau, oh right :) [20:39] hahah [20:39] branau, we just got a few fixes landed on the website at the beginning of this week [20:39] knome: Ah I missed em? [20:39] Dang [20:39] and i've been working with dev.xubuntu.org the last few days [20:40] mostly small ones, probably the most prominent one is the header art change (no image now, just rotated elements) [20:40] knome: You got a list somewhere of tasks that still need to be taken care of? [20:40] and when i say elements, i mean div::before and div::after [20:41] there aren't any outstanding bugs or features TBD at the moment [20:41] but this page: http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-x-web [20:41] or http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-x-web for the more integrated (but WIP) looks [20:43] knome: Well cool, feel free to ping me if you need/want any help on anything specific. Looks like all these tasks have been distributed already, no unassigned ones haha [20:43] branau, so anyway, welcome to join the meeting [20:43] branau, well, even being assigned to somebody doesn't mean "don't touch it" [20:44] knome: Thanks! I'll be sure to stick around and participate a little, I am at work so I don't make any promises haha [20:44] knome: And fair enough [20:44] and all work items need to be assigned to *somebody* (or some team) [20:45] Gotcha. Well sign me up! I'd love to help out. [20:45] but granted, some of the work items might be a bit cryptic or at least not all clear regarding what you should do... [20:46] Yeah, is there anywhere that has a bit more descriptive tasks? [20:46] branau, we were creating a webapp for handling wallpaper contest submissions, but that's quite halted atm, and we're not sure if the codebase we have will be useful [20:46] no, not really; usually when the work item is cryptic it means somebody is probably on top of the issue [20:47] for some items which seem to be broad ones, there can be a description in the whiteboard [20:47] you can access them from the overview page in the tracker [20:47] knome: Gotcha. And what happened with the wallpaper contest? I remember you telling me about that [20:47] we probably will talk about that on the meeting today... [20:47] → https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html [20:48] bluesabre, ping! :P [20:48] krytarik, ughh. [20:48] Yep. [20:48] I laughed. [20:49] dkessel: yea - external drive [20:49] krytarik, if you are subbed, please reply to them saying we object and that we will touch our own packages ourself when we know what we want to do [20:49] I'm not. [20:49] or if you are planning to subscribe [20:49] ;Ð [20:49] I'm not. [20:49] :D [20:49] no? [20:49] booo [20:51] I is - I can sya whatever we need [20:51] flocculant, say what i said above [20:52] flocculant, basically, "The Xubuntu team will take care of updating our own package (xubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-default-settings), so no need to touch those packages. Thanks!" [20:52] s/package/packages/ [20:52] and maybe s/touch those packages./touch those./ [20:52] I was going to poke him, but he's not on IRC. [20:53] i like people who are not on IRC [20:53] not [20:53] Nono, he's on, I've talked to him before. Just not now. [20:53] as i said... i don't like people who are not on IRC [20:53] ;P [20:53] Haha. :P [20:53] thinking of you bluesabre and ochosi [20:54] I've not been on IRC... [20:55] flocculant, knome: Don't forget about xubuntu-docs, btw. [20:55] krytarik, it's not listed on the list he put up though [20:55] And the brokenness of fop? Yeeeah... [20:56] oh buggar - in moderation ... [20:56] we know about this issue and will deal with any of our (Xubuntu packages etc) once we know what it is we want to do. [20:56] flocculant, lol, i was referring to "being subbed" because i wanted to avoid that :D [20:56] or are you saying the filters found unwelcome words in your mail :P [20:57] I thought I was subbed [20:57] ha ha [20:57] hah... [20:57] i wonder how we are supposed to interpret that [21:09] sent it direct to the OP too now [21:09] just woken up to the fact there's a meeting soonish [21:11] yeah [21:11] good morning, flocculant's brain [21:26] :) [21:42] right, so meeting agenda is still on uneditable wiki, should we move that now/soon? [21:42] (for those not keeping up, wiki.ubuntu.com has been locked down for a day) [21:43] if we need to edit, there's a "Meetings" start page on the new wiki already [21:43] that made the wiki explode when I went to it [21:43] but we can't do includes yet (i haven't installed/enabled a plugin that does that) [21:43] :D [21:43] oh :) [21:43] still [21:43] hmm. [21:43] Server error [21:43] 500 [21:43] when I clicky on meetings [21:43] You can likely talk to Canonical about it, saw one pop in to #ubuntu-ops the other day. [21:44] <_Sponge> Hiya pleia2 [21:44] o/ _Sponge [21:44] * knome goes look what's wrong with the page [21:44] * _Sponge thinks he's cseen pleia2 on flickr :-) [21:44] Unit193: yeah, there's a big loop happening with discussion on the status (on ubuntu-community-team list too) [21:44] <_Sponge> **seen# [21:44] <_Sponge> **seen [21:44] _Sponge: no doubt :) I post a lot [21:45] Fun, fun. [21:45] <_Sponge> good to talk, to you. Any books in the making ? [21:45] _Sponge: working on an openstack book right now, and 9th edition of official ubuntu book after that [21:45] <_Sponge> right-oh [21:46] 23:44 @neale: okay, wiki should be read-write again [21:46] * _Sponge wonders if he could get a signed ubuntu book off ple [21:46] it doesn't appear so, knome [21:46] * _Sponge wonders if he could get a signed ubuntu book off pleia2 ?? [21:46] slickymaster, i'm thinking you might be hitting the cache again, as usually :P [21:47] slickymaster, so i won't believe you until you repeat that 10 times in the next 10 minutes [21:47] no, I'm on my laptop now [21:47] _Sponge: drop me an email when the 9th edition comes out and I'll see what I can do :) [21:47] <_Sponge> cheers ! [21:47] pleia2, the meetings page seems to work now [21:47] * _Sponge slides pleia2 a warm mocha :) [21:47] pleia2, on the new wiki, that is [21:47] knome: thanks [21:48] knome: oh yes, lovely [21:48] it might be related to the plugin that i wrote that allows us to use moinmoin-style comments [21:48] <_Sponge> pleia2: Do you have www.xubuntu.wiki ...yet ? [21:48] (only # required and only on the beginning of the line, the dokuwiki plugins all seemed to require an opening and closing tag) [21:49] _Sponge: wiki.xubuntu.org [21:49] _Sponge, http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ [21:49] knome: I think it's ok to use the doku wiki syntax, yeah? [21:49] pleia2: BTW, you don't need server stuff help, right? [21:49] At least, not from me. [21:49] * _Sponge was just interested if xubuntu had bought it :) [21:49] pleia2, actually dokuwiki doesn't support comments by default [21:49] Unit193: I can handle day to day keep-system-upgraded, but if we add more services I tend to like having support running those [21:50] Unit193: currently knome seems to have all that under control though [21:50] pleia2, but there's also a usability issue with the comments; when you quickly want to remove/add a comment, it's so much better that you can do that by editing the first character of the line [21:50] * flocculant wanders off for a bit [21:50] Unit193: it would be good to have a backup admin with keys to the castle (both linode and root) [21:50] Great! I had asked if I was slacking somewhere that I'd forgotten, and he said poke you. Glad I'm not! [21:50] that was ultimately what made me write the small plugin [21:50] Unit193: so if you want to volunteer there, happy to share those keys :) [21:51] knome: I see [21:51] flocculant leaves right before the meeting, I see how it is [21:51] pleia2: I'll do whatever you need me to do. [21:51] ...I should likely pickup a wiki account sometime. [21:51] <_Sponge> there's a meeting ?? [21:51] pleia2, now! dump ALL the work to him! [21:51] _Sponge, in 9 minutes [21:51] <_Sponge> right-oh [21:52] Unit193: gpg key in lp current? (will send encrypted file with creds) [21:52] knome: Oh, so meetingology output is moinmoin, that doesn't match dokuwiki I'm going to presume. [21:52] * _Sponge runs to the fridge for munchies. [21:52] ((may not do it today)) [21:52] Unit193, that's the other thing. [21:52] pleia2: Yes it is. I can also toss you a ssh key. [21:52] Unit193: okie, that will help with setting up user account [21:53] i'm clearly a lost cause, no gpg mails :P [21:53] knome can join flocculant's club [21:54] I sign random things sent to xubuntu-devel@ :3 [21:54] knome: I don't sign or encrypt emails really anymore, just send encrypted files [21:54] heh [21:54] not to me! [21:54] :) [21:55] I do it for persistent credentials, not "change this when you log in or I'll send in the hounds" [21:55] heh [21:57] * _Sponge returns with coffee & Danish ;-) [21:59] <_Sponge> have we started yet ? [21:59] are we there yet? [21:59] you would have noticed if we did :P [21:59] <_Sponge> I'd like to free political prisoners ! === Unit193 is now known as ucode [22:00] #startmeeting [22:00] Meeting started Wed Feb 17 22:00:13 2016 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] Welcome all to the Xubuntu community meeting. The agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:00] Who's here for the meeting? [22:01] o/ === ucode is now known as krycek [22:01] <_Sponge> o/ [22:02] o/ [22:02] o/ [22:02] \o [22:02] <_Sponge> I'm happy to volunteer to run the 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest, if anyone's interested. [22:02] o/ [22:02] o/ [22:02] #topic Open action items [22:03] Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest [22:03] so basically, here's where we are now: [22:03] knome, I think that is one of yours [22:03] bluesabre was seting up a webapp that would be used to handle the submissions [22:03] that's been set up, and i've worked with it a bit too, but... [22:03] <_Sponge> yeah ? [22:03] ...it's likely not what we want to use for submissions [22:03] x_x [22:04] what are the issues with it, knome? [22:04] so basically we'll need a new webapp, or we need to use something that is ready to use [22:04] <_Sponge> so it's broke ? [22:04] slickymaster, the biggest issues are that it doesn't really do what it is supposed to do, and there's a lot of overhead in the code [22:04] <_Sponge> flickr ? [22:05] flickr means the people submitting their images should have an account [22:05] <_Sponge> and ? [22:05] and it's not open source. [22:05] exactly [22:05] <_Sponge> most photographers do. [22:05] <_Sponge> mediagoblin ? [22:05] we aren't only looking for photographs, and we also are trying not to exclude people [22:06] the starting point with the webapp was that it would be accessible with a launchpad account [22:06] do we have a list of criteria for what we need? (I know we've talked about this a bunch of times) [22:06] licensing, preference for open source, etc [22:06] <_Sponge> yeah, but it's broke, right ? [22:06] which is something you pretty much need to contribute anything anyway [22:06] pleia2, for the webapp or the submissions? [22:06] knome: yes :) [22:06] yes to what? [22:06] they are one in the same [22:07] well [22:07] the webapp should support our criteria, or we should find something that does [22:07] i meant the submissions as in the images [22:07] but yeah, the webapp... [22:07] i'm happy if it's open source [22:07] <_Sponge> nme [22:07] if it can handle the voting, that's a bonus [22:07] <_Sponge> ** me too. [22:07] ubuntu uses flickr, I think ubuntu studio has been as well [22:08] the studio folks used flickr for theirs, but as knome pointed out it's not open source [22:08] Their last one was on flickr, yes. [22:08] https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntustudiocreations/pool FWIW [22:08] lubuntu do as well afaik [22:09] <_Sponge> Crumbs, 10 minutes in, and we've not changed anything, yet. [22:09] if we do flickr, then we might as well support all social media outlets - as long as we can access the submission somewhere... [22:09] <_Sponge> Xubuntu G+ ? [22:09] including google+, but not limited to [22:10] * _Sponge means the google community. [22:10] I'm going to draw the line there, using a bunch of services just makes it horrible [22:10] because we really don't want to lock in to any specific platform, especially if it's not controlled by us [22:10] <_Sponge> Who's in charge of the Xubuntu Gplus community ? [22:10] pleia2, i don't think that's optimal either. [22:10] either we use one proprietary, or we keep on track for writing our own [22:10] and i'm going to draw the line here - we won't use g+ [22:10] Something like that could be set up with WordPress pretty easliy [22:10] :) [22:11] _Sponge: a few or us have admin access, but the G+ has very poor image support these days, I don't think they even have the concept of licensing [22:11] and it's hard to collect for something like this [22:11] WordPress is open source :D [22:11] i believe that we should still write our own [22:11] knome: me too [22:11] +1 [22:11] <_Sponge> yeah, do a wordpress :) [22:11] it would "only" need to support openid login (for launchpad), and uploads [22:11] knome you mean like completely custom? No frameworks period? [22:12] knome: that's fine - but it's almost b1 - how long do we wait? [22:12] frameworks are okay as long as they don't get in the way they did with the current one [22:12] which framework was used? [22:12] and will people be around right at the last minute to decide which we use [22:12] symfony2 [22:12] * _Sponge wanders off to OSS bed [22:13] the problem was that bluesabre was the only one who really got familiar with it, and i would say even his level of familiarity wasn't very convincing [22:13] <_Sponge> night night [22:13] (sorry bluesabre!) [22:13] night _Sponge [22:13] night _Sponge [22:13] branau, what would you suggest? [22:13] cya _Sponge [22:13] flocculant, did raise a valid point, which is time [22:13] https://wordpress.org/plugins/openid/ [22:14] Looks like there's a WP plugin for openid logins [22:14] yeah, the xubuntu site certainly uses one (not sure which) [22:14] we are using that, but tbh, writing a wordpress plugin for the submissions itself sounds like a bigger job than creating the whole app from the scratch [22:14] I've done extensive work with WP and even done some custom plugin work for a few sites, so even if this plugin doesn't work, it shouldn't be too much work to get it up and running [22:14] knome: that's my worry too, but if branau wants to volunteer :) [22:14] pleia2, it's that one, plus some specific launchpad integration ones [22:15] knome: I think we'd run our own wordpress install for this though, not try to get the plugin accepted for xubuntu.org [22:15] pleia2, totally [22:15] we can even tear it down at the end and start new each cycle [22:15] pleia2: I'm happy to volunteer :D [22:15] I don't think we'd need a plugin for submissions though [22:15] branau, with what kind of schedule? [22:15] so it's not a long term maintenance problem, we can back up the photo submissions themselves somewhere static [22:15] A simple form should suffice. [22:16] would this require the user to have a login to wordpress? [22:16] (or openid) [22:16] and would they be able to review/adjust their submission? [22:17] i actually just read about the file uploads in wordpress, and the right way (tm) to do it... [22:17] that said, if it's not going to be long-term storage, i think we could just do with a simple form [22:18] without logging in [22:18] knome: I'm inclined to agree, but I also want it to be a decent experience for submitters, did it actually go through? are they on the list of nominations? [22:18] well, we likely want people to log in... [22:18] black hole submissions are not a good user experience [22:18] yes. [22:18] and no login means anybody can spam the site potentially [22:18] yep [22:18] with no way to block them [22:19] yep [22:19] branau1, did you drop out? what was the last comment you saw? [22:19]