[06:18] <alkisg> Is the recovery mode broken in xenial for everyone, or just for me? :)
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> coolmouse: hello mate, did your card have better support now on xenial?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> morning k1l
[11:04] <haasn> Trying to make Ubuntu 16.04 use lightdm instead of gdm as the login manager, but `systemctl start lightdm` just fails with the nebulous message “Failed with result 'exit-code'.”. How can I figure out what's happening?
[11:05] <alkisg> haasn: isn't lightdm the default?!
[11:06] <haasn> alkisg: No, on a fresh install I just have gdm installed.. hmm
[11:06] <alkisg> haasn: is that normal ubuntu (unity), or something like ubuntu-gnome?
[11:07] <alkisg> Maybe you downloaded the wrong cd?
[11:10] <haasn> alkisg: I don't know, I'm installing via debootstrap. It's just set to install “xenial” from the normal ubuntu mirror
[11:11] <alkisg> haasn: I don't think debootstrap includes a default desktop environment, so you're probably telling it to install some package like ubuntu-desktop?
[11:12] <haasn> alkisg: ubuntu-desktop, yes
[11:12] <alkisg> ubuntu-desktop depends on lightdm, not gdm
[11:12] <haasn> Hmm, I tried forcibly deinstalling gdm, installing lightdm and rebooting the system, now I'm stuck on a VT and can't actually type anything (but I can still switch  VTs with ctrl+alt+Fn)
[11:13] <haasn> alkisg: I'm also installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop, maybe that's what pulls in gdm?
[11:13] <alkisg> Yup, most likely
[11:13] <haasn> Apparently SSHd doesn't start itself on boot, now
[11:14] <haasn> I can ping the machine but not SSH
[11:14] <alkisg> And since gdm is installed after lightdm, that's what you're seeing
[11:14] <alkisg> Use the recovery console to fix it
[11:14] <alkisg> And don't purge gdm if you want ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[11:14] <alkisg> Use update-alternatives to select a DM
[11:15] <alkisg> If lightdm was uninstalled, then ubuntu-desktop was uninstalled too, as it depends on it
[11:15] <alkisg> So it sounds like you have a pretty broken installation now, maybe it would be best to reinstall properly
[11:16] <haasn> Oh, lightdm *is* installed
[11:16] <haasn> I'm just trying to get it to run lightdm instead of gdm3 on boot
[11:17] <alkisg> update-alternatives is the command for that
[11:18] <alkisg> And there's also /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:20] <vitimiti> Huge upgrade today, it seems, including the new software center, I like it
[11:27] <haasn> alkisg: Hmm, just setting /etc/X11/default-display-manager didn't help (it just displayed graphical error messages claiming “graphics/keyboard/mouse not configured correctly” and asking me to reconfigure them, which did nothing) but removing ubuntu-gnome-desktop definitely changed something
[11:27] <haasn> Now on booting I get this purple login manager with a scrollable user list down the left sided
[11:27] <haasn> Is that ubuntu's lightDM config?
[11:28] <alkisg> haasn: I think your issue is broken packages, I don't think it's worth to spend time to troubleshoot a broken installation
[11:28] <alkisg> It should be much easier to reinstall
[11:28] <haasn> alkisg: I'm running a fresh install ATM on another machine already
[11:28] <haasn> alkisg: These are installed with an auto-deployment system
[11:28] <haasn> If there's something broken now, it'll be broken on future fresh installs too
[11:29] <alkisg> And that system needs both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop?
[11:29] <alkisg> That doesn't sound right...
[11:29] <haasn> alkisg: Well, I didn't add those entries to the package list. Somebody else did. So I don't know what the rationale behind it was. But we provide multiple window managers for users to use
[11:30] <alkisg> If installing gnome-desktop breaks unity desktop, you should probably contact those projects then...
[11:30] <alkisg> File bug reports etc
[11:30] <haasn> I never claimed installing gnome-desktop breaks unity desktop
[11:31] <haasn> I don't know how you're arriving at this unreasonable conclusion. It just sets gdm3 as the default login manager, and I wanted to revert back to lightdm (with our own custom theme)
[11:33] <alkisg> OK, I thought you were in the place were your system was broken:
[11:33] <alkisg> (01:12:49 μμ) haasn: Hmm, I tried forcibly deinstalling gdm, installing lightdm and rebooting the system, now I'm stuck on a VT and can't actually type anything (but I can still switch  VTs with ctrl+alt+Fn)
[11:34] <alkisg> Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, it might take care of alternatives for you
[11:42] <haasn> alkisg: Another reboot solved tht, apparently
[11:42] <haasn> Anyway, I'm back on lightdm now
[11:42] <alkisg> OK
[11:43] <haasn> I'll probably just install the gnome etc. WM separately instead of pulling in the whole ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[11:44] <haasn> Or maybe reverse their install order in the package listr
[11:57] <haasn> Ah, I found the reason it was set to gdm3
[11:58] <haasn> the debconf file contained gdm3 as the disambiguation question for the DMs
[12:57] <haasn> Okay, pretty much everything is in a working state now (fresh install, udpated configs) - only thing I still need to debug is why unit-shell needs about 5 lightyears to start. (Like, it sits frozen for like half an hour with very high load averages according to `uptime`)
[12:57] <haasn> How can I find out what it's doing?
[12:57] <haasn> It spawns a billion subchilds and none of them seem to be doing anything that would cause a freeze
[12:57] <haasn> Is there a log file or something for unity shell?
[12:58] <haasn> iotop shows no CPU load, iftop shows no network load, top shows no CPU load
[12:58] <haasn> but `uptime` shows a load average >10
[12:59] <haasn> Ah, after it starts, clicking on the “gear” icon (some sort of settings manager?) also causes it to freeze up
[13:01] <haasn> Only seems slow the first time around
[13:02] <haasn> Ah, dmesg shows a ton of errors related to drm_intel
[13:02] <haasn> GPU might be bad
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:40] <bjornar> Should it be possible to run upstart together with systemd?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> bjornar: why would you do that?
[14:41] <bjornar> I wouldnt
[14:42] <bjornar> but some of my playbooks would
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> bjornar: i dont think its meant to run both at the same time...
[15:14] <lordievader> Systemd is a replacement for upstart, but there is a compatibility layer available. As in, run upstart services through systemd.
[15:29] <hggdh> anyone doing apt-get update & getting a 403?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: connected directly with cable/wifi?
[15:32] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: wifi; but these are internal apt-get errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15111348/
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: did you add weird ppa's from somewhere?
[15:35] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: nope, this is a brand new install (3 days ago), standard Ubuntu
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: no other sources enabled then default neither?
[15:36] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: none other. /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: ok mate can you try ask in #ubuntu-mirrors to doublecheck if there are known issues for your country?
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: togheter with your paste
[15:37] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: ah, #ubuntu-mirrors, had forgotten about that channel. Thanks
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: not sure its your case, but lets find out :p
[15:47] <hggdh> allin all, this is interesting. 16.04 is the first time I had to ditch my install for a fresh install in 5 years.
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> running stable as rock here
[16:29] <hggdh> mine was stable-ish. Only nit was unity (and compiz) would not start on login
[18:49] <jtaylor> hm unity performance seems very bad in 16.04, though its a super crappy nvidia quadro 285
[18:54] <ChibaPet> jtaylor: FWIW, similar graphics card on one of my boxes, and running xdm/openbox is snappy, and DVD/video playback is good. Might be apples and oranges, but the binary nVidia drivers seem to work well enough in Xenial.
[18:55] <jtaylor> ChibaPet: which driver?
[18:55] <ChibaPet> Um. Let me check. I think 340.
[18:55] <jtaylor> 3.04 is the latest the card supports unfortunately
[18:55] <ChibaPet> hrm, that's odd
[18:56] <jtaylor> other de's probably work fine, didn't test them yet
[18:56] <ChibaPet> nvidia-340 here on G86 [Quadro NVS 290]
[18:56] <jtaylor> but unity is unusable :/ (not a big issue its a remote machine anyway)
[18:56] <jtaylor> 290 supports 340, 285 not
[18:56] <ChibaPet> Yeah, I thought mine was older, but evidently not.
[18:57] <jtaylor> I have another machine with 290 but its still on 14.04, theres quite a big difference between the two cards
[18:58] <jtaylor> ChibaPet: have you tried unity?
[18:59] <jtaylor> ChibaPet: I do plan on upgrading the 290 machine at some point and that is actually my desktop, so it would be good to know if its usable
[18:59] <ChibaPet> jtaylor: Sporadically in the past, but I usually gut it and just run Openbox. That said, I'm transitioning a few folks to Ubuntu/Unity before long and will have more firsthand experience.
[19:00] <ChibaPet> What I can say is that I had to do my install using the Desktop ISO, and Unity runs there. It didn't feel at all sluggish.
[19:00] <jtaylor> ChibaPet: good, thanks
[19:00] <ChibaPet> (I was working out root-on-ZFS-on-LUKS for Xenial, and the server install sadly lacks tools for that.)
[19:01] <ChibaPet> (root-on-ZFS-on-LUKS with boot-on-MD-RAID1 to be precise. :P )
[19:02] <jtaylor> have they fixed boot from raid1 in the meantime?
[19:02] <jtaylor> the bug in wily is still open ...
[19:02] <ChibaPet> Well now. That's interesting. What was broken? I didn't know to be wary, so I just did it.
[19:02] <ChibaPet> I'm guessing it's either fixed or what I did sidestepped it somehow.
[19:02] <jtaylor> in wily the initramfs is missing the raid module
[19:02] <jtaylor> its a quite simple fix
[19:03] <jtaylor> but annoying
[19:03] <ChibaPet> Oh, that sounds like root on MD-RAID, not boot. Can't answer that one, as once I'm in the initrd it fires up ZFS and goes from there.
[22:22] <sergio_br22> hi
[22:23] <sergio_br22> too late to see vulkan in 16.04 ?
[22:23] <spm_draget> I saw that there are .box images (vagrant) for the cloudimages of xenial.
[22:23] <spm_draget> Are there also official .box images for the desktop or server version of xenial?