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| alkisg | Is the recovery mode broken in xenial for everyone, or just for me? :) | 06:18 |
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| lotuspsychje | coolmouse: hello mate, did your card have better support now on xenial? | 06:50 |
| lotuspsychje | morning k1l | 06:51 |
| haasn | Trying to make Ubuntu 16.04 use lightdm instead of gdm as the login manager, but `systemctl start lightdm` just fails with the nebulous message “Failed with result 'exit-code'.”. How can I figure out what's happening? | 11:04 |
| alkisg | haasn: isn't lightdm the default?! | 11:05 |
| haasn | alkisg: No, on a fresh install I just have gdm installed.. hmm | 11:06 |
| alkisg | haasn: is that normal ubuntu (unity), or something like ubuntu-gnome? | 11:06 |
| alkisg | Maybe you downloaded the wrong cd? | 11:07 |
| haasn | alkisg: I don't know, I'm installing via debootstrap. It's just set to install “xenial” from the normal ubuntu mirror | 11:10 |
| alkisg | haasn: I don't think debootstrap includes a default desktop environment, so you're probably telling it to install some package like ubuntu-desktop? | 11:11 |
| haasn | alkisg: ubuntu-desktop, yes | 11:12 |
| alkisg | ubuntu-desktop depends on lightdm, not gdm | 11:12 |
| haasn | Hmm, I tried forcibly deinstalling gdm, installing lightdm and rebooting the system, now I'm stuck on a VT and can't actually type anything (but I can still switch VTs with ctrl+alt+Fn) | 11:12 |
| haasn | alkisg: I'm also installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop, maybe that's what pulls in gdm? | 11:13 |
| alkisg | Yup, most likely | 11:13 |
| haasn | Apparently SSHd doesn't start itself on boot, now | 11:13 |
| haasn | I can ping the machine but not SSH | 11:14 |
| alkisg | And since gdm is installed after lightdm, that's what you're seeing | 11:14 |
| alkisg | Use the recovery console to fix it | 11:14 |
| alkisg | And don't purge gdm if you want ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 11:14 |
| alkisg | Use update-alternatives to select a DM | 11:14 |
| alkisg | If lightdm was uninstalled, then ubuntu-desktop was uninstalled too, as it depends on it | 11:15 |
| alkisg | So it sounds like you have a pretty broken installation now, maybe it would be best to reinstall properly | 11:15 |
| haasn | Oh, lightdm *is* installed | 11:16 |
| haasn | I'm just trying to get it to run lightdm instead of gdm3 on boot | 11:16 |
| alkisg | update-alternatives is the command for that | 11:17 |
| alkisg | And there's also /etc/X11/default-display-manager | 11:18 |
| vitimiti | Huge upgrade today, it seems, including the new software center, I like it | 11:20 |
| haasn | alkisg: Hmm, just setting /etc/X11/default-display-manager didn't help (it just displayed graphical error messages claiming “graphics/keyboard/mouse not configured correctly” and asking me to reconfigure them, which did nothing) but removing ubuntu-gnome-desktop definitely changed something | 11:27 |
| haasn | Now on booting I get this purple login manager with a scrollable user list down the left sided | 11:27 |
| haasn | Is that ubuntu's lightDM config? | 11:27 |
| alkisg | haasn: I think your issue is broken packages, I don't think it's worth to spend time to troubleshoot a broken installation | 11:28 |
| alkisg | It should be much easier to reinstall | 11:28 |
| haasn | alkisg: I'm running a fresh install ATM on another machine already | 11:28 |
| haasn | alkisg: These are installed with an auto-deployment system | 11:28 |
| haasn | If there's something broken now, it'll be broken on future fresh installs too | 11:28 |
| alkisg | And that system needs both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop? | 11:29 |
| alkisg | That doesn't sound right... | 11:29 |
| haasn | alkisg: Well, I didn't add those entries to the package list. Somebody else did. So I don't know what the rationale behind it was. But we provide multiple window managers for users to use | 11:29 |
| alkisg | If installing gnome-desktop breaks unity desktop, you should probably contact those projects then... | 11:30 |
| alkisg | File bug reports etc | 11:30 |
| haasn | I never claimed installing gnome-desktop breaks unity desktop | 11:30 |
| haasn | I don't know how you're arriving at this unreasonable conclusion. It just sets gdm3 as the default login manager, and I wanted to revert back to lightdm (with our own custom theme) | 11:31 |
| alkisg | OK, I thought you were in the place were your system was broken: | 11:33 |
| alkisg | (01:12:49 μμ) haasn: Hmm, I tried forcibly deinstalling gdm, installing lightdm and rebooting the system, now I'm stuck on a VT and can't actually type anything (but I can still switch VTs with ctrl+alt+Fn) | 11:33 |
| alkisg | Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, it might take care of alternatives for you | 11:34 |
| haasn | alkisg: Another reboot solved tht, apparently | 11:42 |
| haasn | Anyway, I'm back on lightdm now | 11:42 |
| alkisg | OK | 11:42 |
| haasn | I'll probably just install the gnome etc. WM separately instead of pulling in the whole ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 11:43 |
| haasn | Or maybe reverse their install order in the package listr | 11:44 |
| haasn | Ah, I found the reason it was set to gdm3 | 11:57 |
| haasn | the debconf file contained gdm3 as the disambiguation question for the DMs | 11:58 |
| haasn | Okay, pretty much everything is in a working state now (fresh install, udpated configs) - only thing I still need to debug is why unit-shell needs about 5 lightyears to start. (Like, it sits frozen for like half an hour with very high load averages according to `uptime`) | 12:57 |
| haasn | How can I find out what it's doing? | 12:57 |
| haasn | It spawns a billion subchilds and none of them seem to be doing anything that would cause a freeze | 12:57 |
| haasn | Is there a log file or something for unity shell? | 12:57 |
| haasn | iotop shows no CPU load, iftop shows no network load, top shows no CPU load | 12:58 |
| haasn | but `uptime` shows a load average >10 | 12:58 |
| haasn | Ah, after it starts, clicking on the “gear” icon (some sort of settings manager?) also causes it to freeze up | 12:59 |
| haasn | Only seems slow the first time around | 13:01 |
| haasn | Ah, dmesg shows a ton of errors related to drm_intel | 13:02 |
| haasn | GPU might be bad | 13:02 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:08 |
| bjornar | Should it be possible to run upstart together with systemd? | 14:40 |
| lotuspsychje | bjornar: why would you do that? | 14:41 |
| bjornar | I wouldnt | 14:41 |
| bjornar | but some of my playbooks would | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | !systemd | 14:42 |
| ubottu | systemd is the default init system for Ubuntu 15.04 onwards. For information on transitioning from upstart to systemd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | bjornar: i dont think its meant to run both at the same time... | 14:43 |
| lordievader | Systemd is a replacement for upstart, but there is a compatibility layer available. As in, run upstart services through systemd. | 15:14 |
| hggdh | anyone doing apt-get update & getting a 403? | 15:29 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: connected directly with cable/wifi? | 15:30 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: wifi; but these are internal apt-get errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15111348/ | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: did you add weird ppa's from somewhere? | 15:34 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: nope, this is a brand new install (3 days ago), standard Ubuntu | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: no other sources enabled then default neither? | 15:35 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: none other. /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: ok mate can you try ask in #ubuntu-mirrors to doublecheck if there are known issues for your country? | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: togheter with your paste | 15:37 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: ah, #ubuntu-mirrors, had forgotten about that channel. Thanks | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: not sure its your case, but lets find out :p | 15:37 |
| hggdh | allin all, this is interesting. 16.04 is the first time I had to ditch my install for a fresh install in 5 years. | 15:47 |
| lotuspsychje | running stable as rock here | 15:52 |
| hggdh | mine was stable-ish. Only nit was unity (and compiz) would not start on login | 16:29 |
| jtaylor | hm unity performance seems very bad in 16.04, though its a super crappy nvidia quadro 285 | 18:49 |
| ChibaPet | jtaylor: FWIW, similar graphics card on one of my boxes, and running xdm/openbox is snappy, and DVD/video playback is good. Might be apples and oranges, but the binary nVidia drivers seem to work well enough in Xenial. | 18:54 |
| jtaylor | ChibaPet: which driver? | 18:55 |
| ChibaPet | Um. Let me check. I think 340. | 18:55 |
| jtaylor | 3.04 is the latest the card supports unfortunately | 18:55 |
| ChibaPet | hrm, that's odd | 18:55 |
| jtaylor | other de's probably work fine, didn't test them yet | 18:56 |
| ChibaPet | nvidia-340 here on G86 [Quadro NVS 290] | 18:56 |
| jtaylor | but unity is unusable :/ (not a big issue its a remote machine anyway) | 18:56 |
| jtaylor | 290 supports 340, 285 not | 18:56 |
| ChibaPet | Yeah, I thought mine was older, but evidently not. | 18:56 |
| jtaylor | I have another machine with 290 but its still on 14.04, theres quite a big difference between the two cards | 18:57 |
| jtaylor | ChibaPet: have you tried unity? | 18:58 |
| jtaylor | ChibaPet: I do plan on upgrading the 290 machine at some point and that is actually my desktop, so it would be good to know if its usable | 18:59 |
| ChibaPet | jtaylor: Sporadically in the past, but I usually gut it and just run Openbox. That said, I'm transitioning a few folks to Ubuntu/Unity before long and will have more firsthand experience. | 18:59 |
| ChibaPet | What I can say is that I had to do my install using the Desktop ISO, and Unity runs there. It didn't feel at all sluggish. | 19:00 |
| jtaylor | ChibaPet: good, thanks | 19:00 |
| ChibaPet | (I was working out root-on-ZFS-on-LUKS for Xenial, and the server install sadly lacks tools for that.) | 19:00 |
| ChibaPet | (root-on-ZFS-on-LUKS with boot-on-MD-RAID1 to be precise. :P ) | 19:01 |
| jtaylor | have they fixed boot from raid1 in the meantime? | 19:02 |
| jtaylor | the bug in wily is still open ... | 19:02 |
| ChibaPet | Well now. That's interesting. What was broken? I didn't know to be wary, so I just did it. | 19:02 |
| ChibaPet | I'm guessing it's either fixed or what I did sidestepped it somehow. | 19:02 |
| jtaylor | in wily the initramfs is missing the raid module | 19:02 |
| jtaylor | its a quite simple fix | 19:02 |
| jtaylor | but annoying | 19:03 |
| ChibaPet | Oh, that sounds like root on MD-RAID, not boot. Can't answer that one, as once I'm in the initrd it fires up ZFS and goes from there. | 19:03 |
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| sergio_br22 | hi | 22:22 |
| sergio_br22 | too late to see vulkan in 16.04 ? | 22:23 |
| spm_draget | I saw that there are .box images (vagrant) for the cloudimages of xenial. | 22:23 |
| spm_draget | Are there also official .box images for the desktop or server version of xenial? | 22:23 |
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