=== not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [05:04] o/ === howefield is now known as howefield_afk === maclin1 is now known as maclin [16:00] o/ [16:02] *tock* *tock*, is this thing on? [16:02] pitti, hi [16:02] \o [16:02] hey [16:02] ah :) [16:02] o/ [16:03] ok, I still have a shuf command here, I hope it's recent [16:03] no Leann, so I'll just start it [16:03] #startmeeting [16:03] Meeting started Thu Feb 18 16:03:39 2016 UTC. The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:03] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:03] #topic Lightning Round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning Round [16:03] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox) [16:03] slangasek cyphermox barry caribou bdmurray xnox sil2100 robru doko pitti infinity tdaitx [16:04] and the winner is absent! [16:04] cyphermox: would you have the honor? [16:04] or silently listening ;p [16:04] and did I miss anyone? chiluk? [16:05] pitti: i think chiluk was the only missing [16:05] * xnox ponders that i should probably prepare and update note or something [16:05] barry: go ahead please [16:05] (based on my last meeting bip log) [16:05] pytest 2.8.7-2; python-mode 1:6.2.2-1; debian bug #813399 (python-pip 8.0.2-6); debian bug #814571 (python-pip 8.0.2-7); debian bug #814834; fixing other issues with proposed migration for tox and virtualenv; tox 2.3.1-2 and 2.3.1-3; fades 5-1; planet-venus merge and sync; [16:05] Debian bug 813399 in python-pip-whl "python-pip-whl: fails to upgrade from 'testing' - trying to overwrite /usr/share/python-wheels/six-1.10.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/813399 [16:05] Debian bug 814571 in python-pip "python-setuptools-whl and python-pip-whl: error when trying to install together" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/814571 [16:05] Debian bug 814834 in src:pytest "pytest fails its DEP-8 tests on Python 3.5-only systems" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/814834 [16:05] system-image server reviews for sil2100; LP: 1508081 [16:05] Launchpad bug 1508081 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Fails to receive OTA updates" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508081 [16:05] LP: #1440504 (libpeas split - done!) [16:05] Launchpad bug 1440504 in libpeas (Debian) "libpeas-1.0-0 depends on both libpython2.7 and libpython3.4" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440504 [16:06] helped kirkland and others with some python questions [16:06] Python 3 only spec: 11 packages still holding python2 on the desktop iso; software-center is gone! the next big one is samba-libs. [16:06] --done-- [16:06] s-c is already gone? wohooo!! [16:06] congrats [16:06] so gnome-software it is now? [16:06] i think so. it's not on today's daily [16:06] caribou: ? [16:07] pitti, just sent a note that he's late [16:07] bdmurray: ? [16:07] worked on getting floating IPs assinged to daisy & errors (devops) [16:07] worked w/ webops re mojo issue after wendigo update [16:07] submitted mojo bug (LP: #1546262) re directories [16:07] backport of new gdb to precise / upload to daisy-pluckers ppa [16:07] Launchpad bug 1546262 in mojo "mojo required full path for $MOJO_SPEC" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546262 [16:08] upgrading gdb on staging / production retracers [16:08] discussion w/ stub regarding cassandra data migration [16:08] research into LP: #1544612 (wireless sysctl file) [16:08] research into debootstrap bug (LP: #1544760) [16:08] Launchpad bug 1544612 in pm-utils (Ubuntu Trusty) "Missing fix for 1299975 claimed to be in pm-utils (1.4.1-13ubuntu0.1)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544612 [16:08] Launchpad bug 1544760 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "Not possible to use armhf with debootstrap" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544760 [16:08] research into gdb and stacktrace_address_signature issue [16:08] ✔ done [16:08] ugh, sorry, I'm here now [16:08] please skip me. [16:09] cyphermox: ok, take xnox' place then (now) [16:09] cyphermox: maybe you go now? [16:09] :) [16:09] aye [16:09] xenial: [16:09] - debugging hw-detect disk scan errors on RDAC multipath (bug lp: #1546606) [16:09] - enable libnftnl tests [16:09] - investigating memtest avail. on server image w/ smoser [16:09] Launchpad bug 1546606 in hw-detect (Ubuntu) "Unable to install Ubuntu 16.04 on Tuleta with multipath setup" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546606 [16:09] - reviewing new package: libcxl [16:09] - rework ubiquity prepare plugin [16:09] - testing console-setup merge [16:09] - unbreak ubiquity for kubuntu [16:09] trusty: [16:09] - cert on powerVM [16:09] - prepare Changes doc for 14.04.4 release [16:09] (done) [16:09] o/ [16:09] - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails [16:09] - RTM Status meetings [16:09] - Coordinating the release of the glibc security fix to ubuntu-touch [16:09] - Custom tarball infrastructure: [16:09] * Following up on the team's RT ticket [16:09] * Getting access to s-jenkins for reference [16:09] * Poking Francis and Paul for an armhf jenkins slave, setting it up [16:09] - OTA-9.1 (hotfix): [16:10] * Heated discussion about the milestone existance, fix to include itp. [16:10] * Preparing the emergency snapshot PPA with the proper contents [16:10] * Multiple image builds (re-spins) and cherry-picking fixes [16:10] - OTA-9.5 (frieza): [16:10] * Preparations of images, copying first official candidate to the rc channel [16:10] - system-image: [16:10] * More tests for scripts [16:10] * Finishing up and merging in the fix for repacking recovery keyrings [16:10] - Some minor work regarding enablement of the turbo device in our public system-image [16:10] - Taking care of the python-pysaml2 merge [16:10] - Seed changes as per pending ubuntu-touch requirements [16:10] - Discussions about the future of our touch frameworks [16:10] - Planning and experimenting on a way to auto-validate OTA PPA snapshots contents [16:10] (done) [16:10] sil2100: oh, s-jenkins is still a thing? I thought these all got shut down [16:10] pitti: no, it's still there as many teams didn't manage to migrate [16:10] * xnox is ready [16:11] xnox: go [16:11] go xnox [16:11] Doing a few NEW packages for s390x port, all in NEW waiting review [16:11] Did a fixup of packages not rebuilt for python3.5 transition [16:11] Was out Thursday-Friday last week on holiday, at SPI sprint in NYC loads of progress on how to get SPI running better, bdale was there met up with Karen too [16:11] Fixing a bunch of installer related bugs, on s390x. [16:11] Working on fixing FTBFS of docker.io build-depends, to have a chance at merging it (golang circular FTBFS build-deps make this bootstrap fun) [16:11] .. [16:11] lp:bileto [16:11] * send britney results immediately after each silo is known rather than batching results until all silos are complete [16:11] * fix a bunch of logging issues in the britney glue related to python output buffering [16:11] * begin using proper production creds rather than logging into lp anonymously [16:11] * big refactoring, dropping SSO team & server side session support, eliminating several hundred lines of code [16:11] * [not landed yet] began working on ephemeral PPA creation & deletion. [16:11] lp:canonical-mojo-specs [16:11] * finally fixed issue with postgres charm, so db is back on persistent disk [16:11] lp:cupstream2distro [16:11] * refactor all the new swift code to greatly improve reliability of artifact uploads [16:11] * log swift artifacts in publish log for easy reference [16:11] (end) [16:12] robru: ah, did the staggering of britney help reduce the latency? [16:12] - usual toolchain updates ... [16:12] - more transitions, ftbfs fixes, nbs, ... [16:12] - ongoing gnutls transition [16:12] - preparing for go1.6, both golang and gccgo [16:12] - python3 bindings for samba libs talloc, tdb, ldb [16:12] - gdb 7.11 (branch) [16:12] - bind9 review and bug fixes [16:12] pitti: yeah [16:12] - grep build failure on powerpc, solved by giving it back a dozen times [16:12] - gcc-4.9 and cross compilers now finally buildable in the release pocket [16:12] - finally patched various unity packages myself to get rid off libgee [16:12] (done) [16:12] autopkgtest: [16:12] - Simplify autopkgtest-retrier code, generalize it, and integrate into autopkgtest-cloud [16:12] - Enable test requests from GitHub; running for systemd upstream PRs now [16:12] - Support multiple trigger arguments for request.cgi (mostly for kernel team) [16:12] Apport: [16:12] - Review/fix/cleanup stgraber's branch for reporting crashes in containers, landed in Xenial [16:12] - Adjust tests for new gdb [16:12] - Investigate bad address signatures (#1533349) [16:12] pitti: each run takes an hour now so putting results immediately rather than waiting till the end is a huge speedup [16:12] distro: [16:12] - Build and test fresh xenial -base langpacks [16:12] - Review/sponsor smoser's open-iscsi merge [16:12] - systemd: Debug test failure on several arches, fix installation with RAMTMP=yes (#1545707), various autopkgtest robustifications [16:13] - pm-utils: Fix wireless hooks for different drivers (#1544612), some packaging modernizations [16:13] - merged util-linux [16:13] ␄ [16:13] no infinity, so tdaitx [16:13] doko, do you want to upload golang 1.6 final? or should I? [16:13] sil2100: "future of our touch frameworks" → in terms of moving to snappy, or moving away from vivid? any news ther? [16:13] xnox, I was asked to do it, but if you want, go ahead [16:14] doko, ok, let me see if i can get that in today. [16:14] ok, no tdaitx either [16:14] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:15] component mismatches ... [16:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg [16:15] pitti: not so far into the future like snappy, but we a few meetings regarding how to manage those per-OTA update and what to do after we switch away from vivid [16:15] pitti: nothing definite yet though, we didn't have any decision power there so far [16:15] sil2100: well, having a workable solution already sounds very promising :) [16:15] thanks [16:15] please have a look at these on the top, see which is foundations related, pick up an incomplete MIR ... [16:16] sil2100: what's the timeline to switch away from vivid? [16:16] sil2100, what about building ubuntu userspace on arm64? and supporting armhf & arm64 in the store? [16:16] doko: `python3 -m venv foo` still works [16:17] robru: no real timetable, it's a taboo topic right now, everyone thinks about it but no one wants to talk about it our loud [16:17] ;) [16:18] sil2100: so system-image is still twitching :) [16:18] xnox: I know there were a few management discussions about that but sadly I wasn't included, so I don't know much about the final plans [16:18] sil2100: oh that sounds like a healthy way to run a commercial product [16:19] xnox: for now we stick with armhf userspace [16:20] barry: well, in a sense, yes ;) I don't know what to think anymore as whenever I talk about s-i somewhere people are like: "meh, it's old stuff, snappy that snappy this" [16:21] sil2100: yeah [16:21] so who picks which incomplete MIR? [16:21] but i've also been told i can't ignore si client just yet ;) [16:22] barry: it's hard to say we should ignore s-i since most of my day is related to doing s-i stuff ;p [16:22] anything else for the meeting, or should we close this? [16:22] sil2100: right. i have a high priority task that i will be getting back to today [16:22] barry: in case you have an MR, you know where to find me! [16:23] sil2100: \o/ [16:23] pitti, well, I asked, but nobody replied [16:24] well, since libbusiness-isbn-perl is at the left, I'll just pick that [16:24] o/ [16:24] indicator-datetime has been there for multiple releases and is an "ignore", right? [16:24] xnox: is gonna automatically fix all the 'B's [16:24] ?! [16:25] * xnox looks [16:25] xnox: build-depends :) [16:25] pitti, please cut the dependency chain before maven-debian-helper [16:25] doko: oh, I was going to cut it right at the top if possible [16:25] indicator-datetime is a false positive [16:25] barry, well, we need to send pitti and doko on a holiday for like a month, do the lp switch, then when they come back it will be "too late" to change things back. [16:26] I'll reply to your last reply on the ML [16:26] xnox, if you send us way, nothing will migrate anymore [16:26] that's not what I meant [16:26] doko: hm, but that also means nothing will break, so we *can* actually go to holidays [16:26] this svg graph is fun [16:27] i like the island of "python-hypothesis" =) [16:27] i'm glad i have a jillion x bazillion resolution monitor [16:27] barry, do you take python-hypothesis? [16:27] doko: yes, i jsut found that [16:27] LP: #1546982 [16:27] Launchpad bug 1546982 in python-genty (Ubuntu) "[MIR] b-d's of python-hypothesis: python-flaky and python-genty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546982 [16:27] * xnox ponders why we have kde4 in main [16:27] sorry kde4libs [16:28] we always had [16:28] php5, that sounds like picking which version of PHP we want to support in xenial [16:29] firebird is something that I wouldn't like to see in main, the rest looks harmless at first sight [16:29] firebird is evil. [16:29] firebird is dropped in 5, needs to be dropped in 7 [16:29] but I'm quite sure php can be built without firebird support [16:29] i see like 3 patches to get us onto php7 i think. [16:30] but it's unclear for me how far we are away from 7 === charles_ is now known as charles [16:30] so is "7" the answer for xenial now? [16:30] pitti: yes (from the server team) [16:30] as long as it's not two major versions [16:30] nacc: ah, good [16:30] right, just 7 [16:30] no 5 [16:30] pitti, both depend on defaults ... [16:31] nacc, how will you drop 5? [16:31] ok, so that whole php5 blob there should disappear [16:31] anyway, one last issue: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gnutls28.html [16:31] fixes welcome [16:32] needed for everything execpt efl and ubuntu-meta [16:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1546823 [16:32] Launchpad bug 1546823 in swig (Ubuntu) "swig: disable PHP bindings until PHP7 support exists" [Wishlist,New] [16:32] are three outstanding patches there, i think. [16:33] doko: not sure how to answer that, we have an ongoing transition to migrate all deps throughout the archive to php- (not php7.0-) as requested by the debian maintainer, and there's a bootstrap needed for building some tightly bd-looped stuff [16:33] doko: but in theory once that's done (and i've got another set that needs manual work), there will be nothing depending on php5 in the archive [16:35] xnox: right that's an unfortunate consequence, but does fix-up two of the main -> php5 deps that i hit; and the hope is we can get upstream fixed relatively soon (just haven't had enough time to spend on it myself) [16:40] pitti, end? [16:41] yeah, I guess so [16:41] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:41] Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 16:41:07 2016 UTC. [16:41] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-18-16.03.moin.txt [16:41] thanks everyone [16:41] pitti: thanks! [16:43] pitti: thanks! [16:54] o/ [16:59] it's CC meeting time :) [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started Thu Feb 18 17:00:07 2016 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:00] #chair belkinsa czajkowski hggdh marcoceppi mhall119 sgclark [17:00] Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh marcoceppi mhall119 sgclark [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] \o [17:00] *wave* [17:00] how are you all doing? :-) [17:01] * belkinsa is fine [17:01] aloha [17:01] looks like we're meeting up with the TB and the LoCo Council today :) [17:01] * hggdh is alive and kicking [17:01] Thank yo for asking. [17:01] do we have any folks of either of the two here? :) [17:03] ok... can anyone do a mass-ping? :-) [17:03] dholbach, do they have channels? [17:04] they should be in here... [17:04] dholbach, the TB, not the LoCo. [17:04] might not be the best time with feature freeze around the corner though [17:05] kees, mdeslaur: available? [17:05] there is that [17:05] slangasek, stgraber too [17:05] and pitti [17:05] The LC has been notified. [17:05] we wouldn't keep you too long, we're just interested in catching up and what the current state of things in TB land is :) [17:06] in another meeting right now, not available [17:07] we may need to work this format out a bit better with reminders going out [17:08] or maybe revamping the check in proecess [17:08] indeed [17:08] the TB folks might have an excuse today with feature freeze coming up later on, but there was at least no communication about this [17:08] * belkinsa nods [17:08] perhaps like the loco team review, we ask for a wiki page to be created as I know it;s hard for all to attend [17:08] #agree [17:08] hi, what's up [17:09] * belkinsa adds it to the Trello board. [17:09] mdeslaur: we are trying to catch up with the TB [17:09] what TB? ;) [17:09] and check in and see how things are going [17:09] heh [17:09] the TB-with-extended-lifetime :-) [17:09] ignorance is no ecuse [17:09] :-) [17:10] we're awaiting the list of candidates to hold an election [17:10] mdeslaur, do you know if anyone pinged clan about this? [17:10] I'm not aware, sorry [17:10] * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee [17:10] that might be the way to go [17:11] dholbach, has Mark looked over the list? [17:11] belkinsa, I'm not on the TB, so I don't know - I haven't been involved in the discussions [17:11] how have things been going for the TB in the last cycle? [17:12] Oh, i see. [17:12] hey guys, sorry I'm late [17:12] things have been going good, pretty quiet [17:12] nothing big has come up [17:13] no will-snappy-replace-standard-ubuntu discussions? :-) [17:13] haha, no [17:14] we've relaxed the SRU policy, that's about it [17:14] I'm not on the TB mailing list and haven't attended any meetings lately... were there any controversial topics or was it mostly just boring things like approving standing sru microrelease exceptions? [17:15] dholbach: nothing controversial, nothing worthy of debate [17:15] mdeslaur: did you get many nominations for the TB? [17:15] things are pretty quiet [17:16] it very much sounds like smooth sailing... and maybe how things should be for an upcoming LTS release :-) [17:16] czajkowski: I don't know, they go directly to Mark, and we haven't heard back yet [17:17] ok we can chase up there [17:17] I'd recommend to mail clan [17:17] if it proves to be too hard we can still extend the team membership by a week or two [17:17] ok [17:18] maybe we should at some stage look into a service which sends reminders well in advance :) [17:18] hehe, yeah [17:18] it's not the first time elections take a bit longer to get organised :) [17:18] the date is quite unfortunate for the TB, as it's immediately after the holidays [17:18] see IRCC for another recent one [17:19] mdeslaur, by delaying the election you're fixing that for the new TB right now ;-) [17:19] good :) [17:19] maybe we should take a look at https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-council-teams/msg00045.html later on to figure out which other teams need to be pinged [17:19] then there will be no excuse next time :) [17:20] it sounds like everything is going all right right now... is there anything you feel the TB and CC should discuss together at some stage? [17:21] hello! I'm late to the meeting… [17:21] I can't think of anything off-hand, but we won't hesitate if something comes up [17:21] ok, cool [17:22] I don't have any more questions... anyone else? [17:22] I'm good. [17:22] not from me [17:22] I am good [17:22] great, thanks everyone! [17:22] thanks a lot mdeslaur for giving us an update! :-) [17:22] I wish I had more to update on :P [17:22] Not a problem, mdeslaur, and thank you for coming. [17:23] Thank you [17:23] I spotted svij already... do we have anyone else from the LoCo Council? [17:23] I don't know, just came home and directly to the pc [17:24] (I didn't even know that there's a meeting today) [17:24] wxl: there? [17:25] svij, we are sorry for forgetting for sending out the reminder e-mail. [17:25] I though mhall119 had sent out an invitation...? [17:26] I did, but we were also going to send reminders [17:26] before each team's meeting [17:27] we should have a service for sending out these emails ;-) [17:27] * belkinsa nods and thanks mhall119 for adding that [17:28] ok... do we have other LoCo Council members here? [17:28] Yes, and I will bring that up on our mailing-list [17:28] dholbach: I was also going to look into creating a shared Google calendar so people can subscribe to invites [17:28] but...I haven't yet [17:28] #action belkinsa Talk about using a reminder service (e-mail) for check-up reminders [17:28] ACTION: belkinsa Talk about using a reminder service (e-mail) for check-up reminders [17:29] dholbach: I pinged wxl and nhaines in #ubuntu-loco-teams but haven't heard from them [17:29] thanks mhall119 [17:30] svij, how are things in the LoCo Council? I think you just joined the team... right? [17:30] just to check, is the LC fully staffed now? [17:31] LP shows 6 members [17:31] which is the new size, IIRC, down from 7 we had for a while [17:31] I just joind the team and I didn't have time to get read everything which I should know [17:31] so I can't say much sadly [17:32] no worries, that' fair enough [17:32] mhall119, I feel we probably shouldn't do another restaffing cycle unless there are big problems right now [17:33] dholbach: I agree, I just couldn't remember if there was currently an open seat or not [17:33] * dholbach nods [17:33] IIRC, we all agreed to shrink the size of the LC down to 6, so that makes it fully staffed [17:34] ok... I feel we should maybe wait another 2-3 minutes and if nobody turns up, wrap it [17:35] meanwhile, just so it is public (already in Trello): the IRCC is setting up to run a Condorcet election for 3 seats [17:35] cool - thanks a lot [17:36] candidates are Unit193, tm-T, rww, na3il, and myself. Flannel will run the Condorcet voting. [17:36] excellent [17:36] thanks hggdh [17:37] all right... does anyone have any other business? anything else you'd like us to talk about? [17:37] I am OK [17:37] I'm happy [17:37] I'm cool. [17:37] o/ all [17:38] Na3iL: cheers [17:38] Good here [17:38] Hey hggdh [17:39] Na3iL: just so you know, ircc election should happen soon(-ish) [17:39] Ah, that's cool :D [17:39] all right... let's wrap it up [17:39] thanks a lot everyone! [17:39] dholbach: thank you for hosting [17:39] can somebody update the team report wiki with the links to the log? [17:40] sure [17:40] awesome thanks! [17:40] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:40] Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 17:40:09 2016 UTC. [17:40] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-18-17.00.moin.txt [17:40] ^ here they are :-D [17:40] thanks [17:40] have a great rest of your day everyone :) [18:00] ahhh sorry folks just got in [18:00] still around mhall119? === doko_ is now known as doko