[00:02] <valorie> !eol points to a rather useless page -- that seems a recent change
[00:02] <valorie> !eol
[00:03] <k1l> ?
[00:03] <valorie> last guide given:
[00:03] <valorie> Instructions for specific upgrades
[00:03] <valorie> Oneiric 11.10 to Precise 12.04
[00:03] <valorie> very outdated page
[00:03] <k1l> yeah, the method is still the same.
[00:03] <k1l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading
[00:05] <valorie> certainly but either the page should be updated, given the knowledge base of the people asking
[00:05] <valorie> or we should just point to the release sched or so
[00:05] <k1l> imho the basic section on that page is just fine.
[00:06] <valorie> ok
[00:06] <k1l> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal. "
[00:06] <k1l> its generic.
[00:07] <k1l> one could remove the form ubutnu 4.04 to 4.10 links at the bottom since they are useless.
[00:07] <valorie> the Releases page has some confusing data too: 14.04.03 is eol in Aug 2016?
[00:07] <k1l> the hardware enablement stack, yes.
[00:07] <valorie> while .01 is 2029
[00:07] <valorie> I mean 2019
[00:08] <k1l> 14.04.3 was installed with a kernel (the 15.04 backports kernel) that is not LTS and will be dropped then.
[00:08] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support   this is meant
[00:09] <valorie> got it
[00:09] <valorie> that date should maybe be starred in the table and explained
[00:09] <k1l> expect a lot of people asking because they will get a "please update" message around that time :/
[00:14] <valorie> yeah
[00:14] <valorie> and I hope they will
[00:14] <valorie> the future is good
[00:15] <k1l> but first prepare for people asking ehy the upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 doesnt work :)
[00:16] <k1l> (the LTS upgrade is officially opened when 16.04.1 is released)
[00:16] <valorie> yup, that always confuses people
[14:02] <Pici> ugh, BluesKaj
[14:03] <k1l_> i dont know what is going on with him today. i dont recall him giving such advices to use daily builds
[14:38] <bazhang> all fixes sound: remove pulse
[15:10] <Pici> remove ears
[15:12] <ikonia> thats a film isn't it
[15:12] <ikonia> "I don't want them to hear us"
[15:12] <ikonia> "remove their ears then"
[17:51] <genii> Hm, !final isn't quite accurate
[17:52] <dax> !final
[17:52] <Pici> why not/
[17:52] <genii> LTS-LTS available when point release comes
[17:52] <dax> umm, what does LTS->LTS have to do with beta->final
[17:52] <genii> so 16.04.1, which is not when it comes out in April, but later on, like June-July normally
[17:52] <genii> Oh, nvm
[17:53] <genii> Need more caffeine today :(
[17:53] <dax> my coworker just got 240mg of caffeine in jamba juice boosts, try thatr
[17:53] <dax> i think he's vibrating right now
[17:53] <genii> heh
[21:45] <k1l_> mosene: hi
[21:45] <Pici> bye
 k1l_: i was curios, sorry :(
[21:46] <Pici> :)
[21:46] <k1l_> seems like i scared him