[11:37] <sakrecoer_> i've been following the process for kdenlive and i get lost in the path debian=>ubuntu=>flavours
[11:38] <sakrecoer_> i think i'm unclear on what this feature freeze means. 
[13:05] <sakrecoer_> hm.. the wiki is weird today
[13:08] <sakrecoer_> i seem to have lost editing priviledges...
[13:09] <sakrecoer_> probably some maintainances got some werid error messages
[13:10] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: page? 
[13:10] <flocculant> it was all read only yesterday - should be ok now afaik
[13:11] <sakrecoer_> well, i'm struggling finding a page i can edit at all :D 
[13:11] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: so all pages :D
[13:11] <flocculant> oh right - well ctrl+r or f5 or whatever :)
[13:11] <sakrecoer_> i should have in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Documentation at least...
[13:12] <flocculant> oh god
[13:12] <sakrecoer_> well.. i tried that, yes, but... not working
[13:12] <flocculant> it's all immutable again
[13:12] <sakrecoer_> seems so.. 
[13:14] <flocculant> asked in sysyadmin channel - should be normal *soon*
[13:26] <sakrecoer_> :)
[13:26] <sakrecoer_> thanks flocculant 
[14:00] <sakrecoer_> \o/ flocculant 
[14:00] <sakrecoer_> back to normal
[15:16] <zequence> Zak har ju varit art lead och har gjort ett väldigt fint jobb med design osv. Men, han är lite speciell, alltså
[15:16] <zequence> Oops
[16:30] <knome> zequence, on other news, did you check the website updates yet?
[16:34] <zequence> knome: No, I haven't. I will probably not do that so much until some time after FF
[16:35] <zequence> But, I will come back to it. We are working on a unified design for our artwork, so some of that will be implemented there, I'm sure
[16:35] <knome> fair enough
[16:35] <knome> i've got interest from other teams and people now too, and they seem to be happy with it (so not so many bugs at this point)
[16:36] <knome> i hope to get this moving forward this month
[16:36] <zequence> ok, sounds good
[16:37] <zequence> I'm pretty happy with the latest version I tried, so should be fine
[16:37] <knome> yep, good
[16:38] <knome> and pushing the theme to production does not mean it can't get any updates; it just means it will be considerably slower
[18:30] <Rosco3> OvenWerks: Thanks for giving 386 a spin. That saved me some time
[18:30] <Rosco3> I have marked the ISOs for studio as ready after a quick smoke test on amd64
[19:45] <sakrecoer_> knome: I realy like the look so far! what i'm concerned about is the feature tour
[19:48] <sakrecoer_> knome: blogroll in wikiformat is good for documentation and news, but if it is possible to break out of the format for the feature-tour, i think it would be very sweet
[19:48] <sakrecoer_> maybe the feature tour could be subdomain: xenial.ubuntustudio.org which lands on feature tour and leadsback to ubuntustdio.org
[19:49] <sakrecoer_> i'm just spinning ideas
[19:49] <knome> i'm not sure i know how to help you; i don't know what you are looking for from the feature tour, so i can't support doing that
[19:49] <sakrecoer_> with a subdomain we can have static html5 site for displaying sexy creative suit
[19:50] <sakrecoer_> ..without bothering our good wordpress engine with funky modules
[19:50] <knome> sure, if you want to maintain that subdomain separately
[19:50] <knome> remember, if it's within canonical hosting, all file changes go through IS
[19:50] <sakrecoer_> knome: then the "feature-tour" link on frontpage would only need to be updated for current release subdomain.
[19:51] <sakrecoer_> knome: mini html sites are easy to back up also
[19:51] <knome> i'm not disagreeing
[19:52] <knome> if you want something completely different, it's likely best to do so
[19:52] <sakrecoer_> knome: right, through IS, that would imply submiting request in good time
[19:52] <knome> yes
[19:53] <sakrecoer_> you are more experienced in me with the time-frames :) knome, what do you reckon? is it making things easier or more complicated?
[19:54] <sakrecoer_> knome: perhaps you have a module-magic ace in your sleave, designed for sexy feature tour? :)
[19:54] <knome> whenever you bring in another person/team that is responsible for anything, it's always more prone for errors and slows the progress down (not only with IS)
[19:54] <sakrecoer_> not that the website is not sexy, missunderstand me right
[19:55] <knome> again, it really depends what you are looking for
[19:55] <knome> i can support *some* features from within the theme reasonably
[19:55] <knome> outside that, you'll likely want to set up something else, whether it was a minisite outside wordpress or something different
[19:56] <knome> i mean i don't think it's very sensible to try to fit something very dynamic in nature into a wordpress plugin
[19:56] <knome> (or theme)
[19:56] <knome> too much modularity means the plugin/theme will just get bloated and doesn't really serve any purpose well
[19:57] <sakrecoer_> that is why html5 minisites are great
[19:57] <knome> the aim of the theme i'm building is to offer an easy way to get a good-looking theme with an integrated look set up
[19:57] <knome> sure, but then it means you will need to edit the files anyway
[19:57] <knome> whether it was somehow from within wordpress or directly
[19:57] <sakrecoer_> not if it is not ment to be edited
[19:57] <knome> IS won't allow forms which directly allow you to edit files on the filesystem
[19:57] <sakrecoer_> i'm talking about the feature tour
[19:57] <knome> me too
[19:58] <sakrecoer_> yeah, but i'm not talking about editing them
[19:58] <sakrecoer_> i'm talking about having a static site
[19:58] <knome> i'm talking about editing them in the sense that when you create anything, it's editing
[19:58] <knome> and tbh, you *will* end up wanting changes to your static site
[19:58] <knome> trust me
[19:58] <knome> so you want to account for that
[19:59] <knome> or you can get a server set up somewhere else and ask IS to point a subdomain there
[19:59] <sakrecoer_> i understand :)
[19:59] <knome> they can do that too
[19:59] <sakrecoer_> oh..
[19:59] <knome> but then you're obviously responsible for maintaining that server
[19:59] <sakrecoer_> hehe
[20:00] <knome> we have several xubuntu.org subdomains pointed at a server we set up some time ago
[20:01] <sakrecoer_> hm, i have to ask my budy, but i might be able to host such thing for a few years
[20:01] <sakrecoer_> i'll have to think about this
[20:02] <sakrecoer_> thanks for informing me knome 
[20:02] <knome> no problem
[20:02] <knome> generally, the IS is willing to do "anything" for you; as long as you don't ask for silly things
[20:02] <sakrecoer_> cool
[20:02] <knome> and some requests might take time
[20:02] <knome> but subdomain redirection isn't a problem
[20:03] <sakrecoer_> :) but hosting it longterm is :)
[20:04] <sakrecoer_> unless of course, we go thou IS each time
[20:04] <sakrecoer_> but that, like you say imply slower process, and reduce editing possibility to ~0
[20:05] <sakrecoer_> hehe, so it would be publishing a website, like publishing a newspaper: better not have a typo, cuz there ain't no undo
[20:06] <knome> pretty much so
[20:06] <knome> that's why putting the content within wordpress makes sense
[20:06] <knome> because at least you have control over the content
[20:06] <knome> one thing we also do, which you might be interested of or not
[20:07] <knome> on the main website, we link to a css file that is on the subdomain we control ourself
[20:07] <knome> which means we have access to fix critical CSS issues when we need
[20:07] <knome> and do some other updates
[20:07] <knome> of course we then try to push them to the main server ASAP, but this leaves us some breathing space
[20:08] <knome> MAYBE with something like that you could almost set up the minisites even with wordpress as the backend
[20:11] <sakrecoer_> knome: interesting
[20:11] <sakrecoer_> knome: altho i'm open to work with the wordpress, magic can be made with images
[20:12] <sakrecoer_> how would you go about for a feature tour on this wordpress theme?
[20:12] <sakrecoer_> obviously there would be a post about the features,
[20:12] <knome> currently, it supports no thrills
[20:12] <knome> so you would have to tell me what you are looking for
[20:13] <sakrecoer_> i'm thinking about site like these: http://ardour.org/
[20:13] <sakrecoer_> this one is funy (music on pageload, music is funy) http://cinelerra.org/2015/
[20:13] <sakrecoer_> ardour is way simpler, perhaps that is possible to achive in a wordpress post
[20:14] <sakrecoer_> displaying only the post, and have it nicely layed out with good pictures
[20:14] <knome> on the ardour site, there's nothing you can't do with the theme except the sections that have a different color background that spans to the edge of the page
[20:14] <knome> ...though you can modify the theme to allow to do that
[20:16] <knome> the cinelerra site just looks weird to me
[20:16] <knome> they did parallax scrolling, which would be hard to do within a wordpress theme that didn't specifically support that
[20:16] <knome> bbl
[20:16] <sakrecoer_> ok :)
[20:18] <sakrecoer_> knome: i'm thinking more fullframe imagery, Title fonts and flash rubricus. website-content gets to background. in the feature tour the main menu is about the feature, the rest of the space is for sexy feature display
[20:19] <sakrecoer_> fullframe image with sweet titling, minimal but effective i think
[21:38] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: remember also that xubuntu has more people helping to begin with. (it doesn't take many people to make it double)