| jjfrv8 | flocculant, aye, still seeing the abiword thing. But only happens with unmaximized window and the mouse cursor is outside the window. | 01:17 |
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| bluesabre | so with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html - it's expected that the dependencies should be updated when fonts-droid-fallback is not yet in the archive? | 01:30 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1546695 - Can't reproduce | 01:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1546695 in thunar (Ubuntu) "USB remounted following eject" [Undecided,New] | 01:33 |
| knome | bluesabre, i think the OP is just being too hasty with it | 01:34 |
| knome | bluesabre, flocculant tried to send a mail saying we will take care of our packages, but it went to mod queue because he wasn't subbed :P | 01:34 |
| knome | bluesabre, but he also sent a mail directly to the OP | 01:34 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes | 01:38 |
| bluesabre | knome: and yeah, Droid Sans Fallback loses Droid Sans Mono and has a new font name | 01:38 |
| bluesabre | which makes it a pain no matter what | 01:38 |
| knome | so... i guess it would be frowned upon, but could we just ship the droid font files within xubuntu-default-settings | 01:39 |
| * knome hides | 01:39 | |
| bluesabre | ew | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-default-settings 16.04.2 Breaks fonts-droid | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | that would not be so nice | 01:39 |
| knome | i just don't understand why "fallback" needs to be in the font name. | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:39 |
| knome | that doesn't make sense. | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | its dumb | 01:39 |
| knome | fallback to what? | 01:40 |
| bluesabre | its a different font name | 01:40 |
| bluesabre | so fallback to nothing | 01:40 |
| knome | ..to the font that people want to use but that is no longer shipped? | 01:40 |
| knome | well i guess so, but meh | 01:40 |
| bluesabre | fun cycle | 01:41 |
| knome | what happened to xnox working to not get it removed now? | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | noto is the main, droid is the fallback but Shouldn't Be Used™ | 01:55 |
| bluesabre | renaming the font is still dumb | 02:06 |
| bluesabre | a site that requests "Droid Sans" isn't going to load Noto Sans | 02:06 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-fonts/fonts-noto.git/tree/debian/conf.avail/30-droid-noto.conf it won't?! | 02:08 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: well, maybe it would | 02:09 |
| bluesabre | still makes no sense to rename it | 02:09 |
| Unit193 | https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-fonts/blob/master/README.md#special-note-on-droid-fonts | 02:11 |
| bluesabre | so Noto is the true and only replacement | 03:24 |
| bluesabre | I've gotten accustomed to it after having it set for the last week or so | 03:25 |
| bluesabre | but it definitely is not a drop in replacement for droid sans :\ | 03:25 |
| bluesabre | anyway, enough whining from me | 03:25 |
| bluesabre | :D | 03:25 |
| Unit193 | My turn! | 03:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: ...mono is drop in. | 03:28 |
| Unit193 | Terminal is no different. | 03:28 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: fonts-noto-mono (20160116-1), try it in your terminal, seriously. | 03:31 |
| Unit193 | Well, presuming you use droid there. :D | 03:31 |
| flocculant | knome bluesabre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html | 07:30 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: no idea what's going on there then - not seeing it at all | 07:40 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: re thunar - not surprised in the least - you probably have to have exactly the same version of the drive to see it :) | 08:29 |
| Unit193 | Well there it is in ubuntu-meta: * Added gnome-software to desktop-recommends | 09:57 |
| slickymasterWork | it's a start ;) | 10:11 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Something like lp:~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/gnome-software | 10:29 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: You're not going to believe this, but I'm in favor of switching to Noto. | 10:38 |
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| bluesabre | Unit193: I guess that if users do not install droid-sans-fallback, the droid-sans package will remain on their system, yes? | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | and Xfce gracefully falls back to Sans, so its not incredibly important to handle a migration | 11:41 |
| Unit193 | Nothing I know conflicts, though the upgrader could remove. | 11:42 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: I found them to be close enough, and as noted in terminal no difference. | 11:42 |
| Unit193 | !info fonts-noto-mono xenail | 11:42 |
| ubottu | 'xenail' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed | 11:42 |
| dkessel | !info fonts-noto-mono xenial | 11:59 |
| ubottu | fonts-noto-mono (source: fonts-noto): "No Tofu" monospaced font family with large Unicode coverage. In component universe, is optional. Version 20160116-1 (xenial), package size 71 kB, installed size 143 kB | 11:59 |
| dkessel | let me help you there :) | 11:59 |
| Unit193 | I lost interest half way there as I already said the package name. Anywho, isn't bad. | 11:59 |
| bluesabre | yeah, not as bad as it was before | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | side by side | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | https://i.imgur.com/73C92LA.png | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | when I first tried using it last week or so, the font seemed to take up a strange amount of vertical space | 12:27 |
| bluesabre | it's still larger, but not as bad as it seemed before | 12:27 |
| bluesabre | in some places, the font is noticeably larger at the same font size | 12:28 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, not saying it's exact (except mono), just close enough may as well use the highly supported one. | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | knome, ochosi: where do you stand on this now? | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | heading out now, bbl | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | I'll +1 Noto at this point after using it for a week | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | (after I have already used it for a week, I should say to be clear) | 12:30 |
| Unit193 | I have just set it, and it doesn't annoy me enough to comment. +1 Noto. | 12:30 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Any reason xfce4-indicator-plugin would fail to show Qt applications? | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: missing one of the libindicators mostly like, or indicator-application | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | which app? | 12:59 |
| Unit193 | dropbox, cmst. | 13:00 |
| Unit193 | Pyqt5, qt5. | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | possible that qt5 support is bad | 13:00 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - marked trusty now - forgetting all about that till next year :) | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: great! | 13:13 |
| flocculant | :) | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: want to install fonts-noto, switch to it and use it for a bit to have some feedback? | 13:17 |
| bluesabre | heading out now, bbl | 13:17 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I will yep | 13:18 |
| flocculant | have a day :) | 13:18 |
| Unit193 | I just installed fonts-noto-hinted and fonts-noto-mono. :3 | 13:18 |
| flocculant | Unit193: you using mono in terminal? | 13:21 |
| Unit193 | Yes. | 13:21 |
| flocculant | why would any sane person want -cjk :p | 13:21 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: ummm because they are Chinese Japanese of Korean I'm just throwing that one out there :P | 13:23 |
| davmor2 | s/of/or | 13:23 |
| flocculant | davmor2: really? | 13:24 |
| flocculant | :p | 13:24 |
| Unit193 | Or -unhinted? | 13:24 |
| flocculant | but what I suppose I really mean is if I install noto-fonts why would I want -cjk | 13:25 |
| flocculant | anyway - installed mono and hinted | 13:26 |
| Akxwi-dave | installed them as well.. quite like the look of them.. look a little bigger than the standard.. but so far ok.. | 13:48 |
| Akxwi-dave | flocculant, Whens Beta 1 due? Need to block out some time to give it a good bash and go over all the tests again.. | 13:49 |
| Akxwi-dave | ohh and afternoon all :-) | 13:49 |
| Unit193 | flocculant, bluesabre: OK, so xfce4-terminal isn't updating fonts like it should/used to. Nevermind. >_< | 15:35 |
| knome | bluesabre: i've been using noto sans 9 (yes 9) for some time now, and while it's not (as) fantastic (as droid), it's ok and i can mostly stand it | 16:25 |
| knome | bluesabre, but yes, i still think it would need to be 9, because that's matching the droid sans 10 line-height and not blow up our UI too much | 16:26 |
| knome | bluesabre, for the window title, droid sans bold 9 -> noto sans bold 9 is a fair replacement. | 16:27 |
| knome | for anybody wondering; yes, i'm messing up with the wiki stylesheets | 16:45 |
| Akxwi-dave | lol.. preferred the one from the other day | 16:56 |
| knome | by messing i mean it's WIP ;) | 16:57 |
| Akxwi-dave | nice one | 16:57 |
| Akxwi-dave | oh and Knome the calendar is also working in midori as well now.. :-) ta. | 17:02 |
| knome | good good :) | 17:02 |
| flocculant | Akxwi-dave: next week | 17:04 |
| Akxwi-dave | flocculant, cheers.. | 17:06 |
| _Sponge | flocculant: How did the meeting, go last night ? | 17:06 |
| flocculant | _Sponge: same as ever :) logs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 17:08 |
| Akxwi-dave | Sorry couldn't be there at that time.. the wife would have killed me.... was having drinky poo's | 17:12 |
| flocculant | so was I ... | 17:12 |
| lbssousa | ajax? whot? | 18:13 |
| knome | flocculant, how do you feel about a sidebar in the wiki? | 18:19 |
| knome | flocculant, that is, for edit links and other info | 18:19 |
| knome | or is that too obtrusive? | 18:19 |
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| flocculant | knome: not too worried about it - tbh I only wiki when forced too so ... | 18:43 |
| knome | flocculant, so, you would be ok with something á la http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ ? | 18:45 |
| flocculant | I guess - seems a bit odd on the left - but other than that :) | 18:45 |
| knome | left? | 18:45 |
| flocculant | meh | 18:45 |
| knome | :D | 18:45 |
| flocculant | long day :) | 18:45 |
| knome | yeah, i probably need to tweak it | 18:46 |
| flocculant | looks odd on the right - I'd expect to see it on the left :) | 18:46 |
| knome | but this would allow us to keep the consistency with the content area handling | 18:46 |
| knome | to me, the sidebar looks odd because the list is so narrow | 18:46 |
| knome | so lots of empty spce | 18:46 |
| flocculant | then really whatever - I only wiki when forced too :) | 18:46 |
| knome | +a too | 18:46 |
| flocculant | knome: perhaps look better if search wasn't in sidebar | 18:47 |
| knome | now i officially have too many mousepad windows open :( | 18:47 |
| knome | maybe some of the links need to be button-y | 18:49 |
| knome | oh yeah mono <3 | 18:49 |
| flocculant | knome: wouldn't logout/userprofile/edit be better in header? | 19:04 |
| knome | yes, getting there slowly | 19:05 |
| knome | i'm planning to make the header created for all sites in one place | 19:05 |
| knome | so we only need to update one file/conf | 19:05 |
| flocculant | right - I'm in and out of channel so :) | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | 14.04.4 is out, I'm kind of swamped over here but if you need my help later w/ updates, lmk and I'll see what I can do | 22:25 |
| knome | i shall go update the torrent links | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | want me to update front page? | 22:28 |
| knome | did that | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 22:28 |
| knome | anything else? | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | checking | 22:28 |
| knome | social mdia? | 22:28 |
| knome | +e | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | yeah, let's do that | 22:28 |
| knome | http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/processes.html#processes-website-updates | 22:28 |
| knome | that tells me it's all we need to do | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | go us | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | just linking to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-February/000205.html in the social medias | 22:29 |
| knome | tweeted | 22:31 |
| knome | oh | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | hehe, that's fine too | 22:31 |
| knome | i replied to our own tweet, also linking that | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | fb and g+ updated | 22:33 |
| knome | great | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | knome: check year on front page | 22:34 |
| knome | nooo | 22:34 |
| knome | screenshot or it didn't happen | 22:34 |
| knome | !! | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | the years are going to keep coming, whether you like it or not | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | haha | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | is ok now | 22:34 |
| knome | i don't mind the years coming, but could they just use the same number? :P | 22:35 |
| knome | or alternatively somebody should write a wordpress plugin that identifies when you have added a date, then looks up if it's close to the day (eg. all january, february and march dates currently), and if it's close to a year number which isn't the year number that is close to the current date, prompt if it was a mistake | 22:37 |
| knome | that would likely lose people jobs because what else do people fix on websites but dates? | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | yeah, humans are bad at such things | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | computers are good at them | 22:39 |
| knome | yep | 22:39 |
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