jjfrv8flocculant, aye, still seeing the abiword thing. But only happens with unmaximized window and the mouse cursor is outside the window.01:17
bluesabreso with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html - it's expected that the dependencies should be updated when fonts-droid-fallback is not yet in the archive?01:30
bluesabreflocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1546695 - Can't reproduce01:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1546695 in thunar (Ubuntu) "USB remounted following eject" [Undecided,New]01:33
knomebluesabre, i think the OP is just being too hasty with it01:34
knomebluesabre, flocculant tried to send a mail saying we will take care of our packages, but it went to mod queue because he wasn't subbed :P01:34
knomebluesabre, but he also sent a mail directly to the OP01:34
bluesabreknome: yes01:38
bluesabreknome: and yeah, Droid Sans Fallback loses Droid Sans Mono and has a new font name01:38
bluesabrewhich makes it a pain no matter what01:38
knomeso... i guess it would be frowned upon, but could we just ship the droid font files within xubuntu-default-settings01:39
* knome hides01:39
bluesabrexubuntu-default-settings 16.04.2 Breaks fonts-droid01:39
bluesabrethat would not be so nice01:39
knomei just don't understand why "fallback" needs to be in the font name.01:39
knomethat doesn't make sense.01:39
bluesabreits dumb01:39
knomefallback to what?01:40
bluesabreits a different font name01:40
bluesabreso fallback to nothing01:40
knome..to the font that people want to use but that is no longer shipped?01:40
knomewell i guess so, but meh01:40
bluesabrefun cycle01:41
knomewhat happened to xnox working to not get it removed now?01:41
Unit193noto is the main, droid is the fallback but Shouldn't Be Used™01:55
bluesabrerenaming the font is still dumb02:06
bluesabrea site that requests "Droid Sans" isn't going to load Noto Sans02:06
Unit193bluesabre: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-fonts/fonts-noto.git/tree/debian/conf.avail/30-droid-noto.conf it won't?!02:08
bluesabreUnit193: well, maybe it would02:09
bluesabrestill makes no sense to rename it02:09
bluesabreso Noto is the true and only replacement03:24
bluesabreI've gotten accustomed to it after having it set for the last week or so03:25
bluesabrebut it definitely is not a drop in replacement for droid sans :\03:25
bluesabreanyway, enough whining from me03:25
Unit193My turn!03:27
Unit193bluesabre: ...mono is drop in.03:28
Unit193Terminal is no different.03:28
Unit193bluesabre: fonts-noto-mono (20160116-1), try it in your terminal, seriously.03:31
Unit193Well, presuming you use droid there. :D03:31
flocculantknome bluesabre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html07:30
flocculantjjfrv8: no idea what's going on there then - not seeing it at all 07:40
flocculantbluesabre: re thunar - not surprised in the least - you probably have to have exactly the same version of the drive to see it :)08:29
Unit193Well there it is in ubuntu-meta:   * Added gnome-software to desktop-recommends09:57
slickymasterWorkit's a start ;)10:11
Unit193bluesabre: Something like lp:~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/gnome-software10:29
Unit193bluesabre: You're not going to believe this, but I'm in favor of switching to Noto.10:38
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bluesabreUnit193: I guess that if users do not install droid-sans-fallback, the droid-sans package will remain on their system, yes?11:40
bluesabreand Xfce gracefully falls back to Sans, so its not incredibly important to handle a migration11:41
Unit193Nothing I know conflicts, though the upgrader could remove.11:42
Unit193bluesabre: I found them to be close enough, and as noted in terminal no difference.11:42
Unit193!info fonts-noto-mono xenail11:42
ubottu'xenail' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed11:42
dkessel!info fonts-noto-mono xenial11:59
ubottufonts-noto-mono (source: fonts-noto): "No Tofu" monospaced font family with large Unicode coverage. In component universe, is optional. Version 20160116-1 (xenial), package size 71 kB, installed size 143 kB11:59
dkessellet me help you there :)11:59
Unit193I lost interest half way there as I already said the package name.  Anywho, isn't bad.11:59
bluesabreyeah, not as bad as it was before12:26
bluesabreside by side12:26
bluesabrewhen I first tried using it last week or so, the font seemed to take up a strange amount of vertical space12:27
bluesabreit's still larger, but not as bad as it seemed before12:27
bluesabrein some places, the font is noticeably larger at the same font size12:28
Unit193Yeah, not saying it's exact (except mono), just close enough may as well use the highly supported one.12:29
bluesabreknome, ochosi: where do you stand on this now?12:29
bluesabreheading out now, bbl12:29
bluesabreI'll +1 Noto at this point after using it for a week12:29
bluesabre(after I have already used it for a week, I should say to be clear)12:30
Unit193I have just set it, and it doesn't annoy me enough to comment.  +1 Noto.12:30
Unit193bluesabre: Any reason xfce4-indicator-plugin would fail to show Qt applications?12:59
bluesabreUnit193: missing one of the libindicators mostly like, or indicator-application12:59
bluesabrewhich app?12:59
Unit193dropbox, cmst.13:00
Unit193Pyqt5, qt5.13:00
bluesabrepossible that qt5 support is bad13:00
flocculantbluesabre: ok - marked trusty now - forgetting all about that till next year :)13:06
bluesabreflocculant: great!13:13
bluesabreflocculant: want to install fonts-noto, switch to it and use it for a bit to have some feedback?13:17
bluesabreheading out now, bbl13:17
flocculantbluesabre: I will yep13:18
flocculanthave a day :)13:18
Unit193I just installed fonts-noto-hinted and fonts-noto-mono. :313:18
flocculantUnit193: you using mono in terminal? 13:21
flocculantwhy would any sane person want -cjk :p13:21
davmor2flocculant: ummm because they are Chinese Japanese of Korean I'm just throwing that one out there :P13:23
flocculantdavmor2: really? 13:24
Unit193Or -unhinted?13:24
flocculantbut what I suppose I really mean is if I install noto-fonts why would I want -cjk13:25
flocculantanyway - installed mono and hinted 13:26
Akxwi-daveinstalled them as well..  quite like the look of them.. look a little bigger than the standard.. but so far ok..13:48
Akxwi-daveflocculant, Whens Beta 1 due?  Need to block out some time to give it a good bash and go over all the  tests again..13:49
Akxwi-daveohh and afternoon all   :-)13:49
Unit193flocculant, bluesabre: OK, so xfce4-terminal isn't updating fonts like it should/used to.  Nevermind. >_<15:35
knomebluesabre: i've been using noto sans 9 (yes 9) for some time now, and while it's not (as) fantastic (as droid), it's ok and i can mostly stand it16:25
knomebluesabre, but yes, i still think it would need to be 9, because that's matching the droid sans 10 line-height and not blow up our UI too much16:26
knomebluesabre, for the window title, droid sans bold 9 -> noto sans bold 9 is a fair replacement.16:27
knomefor anybody wondering; yes, i'm messing up with the wiki stylesheets16:45
Akxwi-davelol.. preferred the one from the other day16:56
knomeby messing i mean it's WIP ;)16:57
Akxwi-davenice one16:57
Akxwi-daveoh and Knome the calendar is also working in midori as well now..  :-) ta.17:02
knomegood good :)17:02
flocculantAkxwi-dave: next week17:04
Akxwi-daveflocculant, cheers..17:06
_Spongeflocculant: How did the meeting, go last night ?17:06
flocculant_Sponge: same as ever :) logs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings17:08
Akxwi-daveSorry couldn't be there at that time.. the wife would have killed me.... was having drinky poo's17:12
flocculantso was I ... 17:12
lbssousaajax? whot?18:13
knomeflocculant, how do you feel about a sidebar in the wiki?18:19
knomeflocculant, that is, for edit links and other info18:19
knomeor is that too obtrusive?18:19
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flocculantknome: not too worried about it - tbh I only wiki when forced too so ... 18:43
knomeflocculant, so, you would be ok with something á la http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ ?18:45
flocculantI guess - seems a bit odd on the left - but other than that :)18:45
flocculantlong day :)18:45
knomeyeah, i probably need to tweak it18:46
flocculantlooks odd on the right - I'd expect to see it on the left :)18:46
knomebut this would allow us to keep the consistency with the content area handling18:46
knometo me, the sidebar looks odd because the list is so narrow18:46
knomeso lots of empty spce18:46
flocculantthen really whatever - I only wiki when forced too :)18:46
knome+a too18:46
flocculantknome: perhaps look better if search wasn't in sidebar18:47
knomenow i officially have too many mousepad windows open :(18:47
knomemaybe some of the links need to be button-y18:49
knomeoh yeah mono <318:49
flocculantknome: wouldn't logout/userprofile/edit be better in header?19:04
knomeyes, getting there slowly19:05
knomei'm planning to make the header created for all sites in one place19:05
knomeso we only need to update one file/conf19:05
flocculantright - I'm in and out of channel so :)19:05
pleia214.04.4 is out, I'm kind of swamped over here but if you need my help later w/ updates, lmk and I'll see what I can do22:25
knomei shall go update the torrent links22:25
pleia2want me to update front page?22:28
knomedid that22:28
pleia2thanks :)22:28
knomeanything else?22:28
knomesocial mdia?22:28
pleia2yeah, let's do that22:28
knomethat tells me it's all we need to do22:28
pleia2go us22:29
pleia2just linking to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-February/000205.html in the social medias22:29
pleia2hehe, that's fine too22:31
knomei replied to our own tweet, also linking that22:32
pleia2fb and g+ updated22:33
pleia2knome: check year on front page22:34
knomescreenshot or it didn't happen22:34
pleia2the years are going to keep coming, whether you like it or not22:34
pleia2is ok now22:34
knomei don't mind the years coming, but could they just use the same number? :P22:35
knomeor alternatively somebody should write a wordpress plugin that identifies when you have added a date, then looks up if it's close to the day (eg. all january, february and march dates currently), and if it's close to a year number which isn't the year number that is close to the current date, prompt if it was a mistake22:37
knomethat would likely lose people jobs because what else do people fix on websites but dates?22:38
pleia2yeah, humans are bad at such things22:38
pleia2computers are good at them22:39

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