[01:17] flocculant, aye, still seeing the abiword thing. But only happens with unmaximized window and the mouse cursor is outside the window. [01:30] so with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html - it's expected that the dependencies should be updated when fonts-droid-fallback is not yet in the archive? [01:33] flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1546695 - Can't reproduce [01:33] Launchpad bug 1546695 in thunar (Ubuntu) "USB remounted following eject" [Undecided,New] [01:34] bluesabre, i think the OP is just being too hasty with it [01:34] bluesabre, flocculant tried to send a mail saying we will take care of our packages, but it went to mod queue because he wasn't subbed :P [01:34] bluesabre, but he also sent a mail directly to the OP [01:38] knome: yes [01:38] knome: and yeah, Droid Sans Fallback loses Droid Sans Mono and has a new font name [01:38] which makes it a pain no matter what [01:39] so... i guess it would be frowned upon, but could we just ship the droid font files within xubuntu-default-settings [01:39] * knome hides [01:39] ew [01:39] xubuntu-default-settings 16.04.2 Breaks fonts-droid [01:39] that would not be so nice [01:39] i just don't understand why "fallback" needs to be in the font name. [01:39] :D [01:39] that doesn't make sense. [01:39] yeah [01:39] its dumb [01:40] fallback to what? [01:40] its a different font name [01:40] so fallback to nothing [01:40] ..to the font that people want to use but that is no longer shipped? [01:40] well i guess so, but meh [01:41] fun cycle [01:41] what happened to xnox working to not get it removed now? [01:55] noto is the main, droid is the fallback but Shouldn't Be Used™ [02:06] renaming the font is still dumb [02:06] a site that requests "Droid Sans" isn't going to load Noto Sans [02:08] bluesabre: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-fonts/fonts-noto.git/tree/debian/conf.avail/30-droid-noto.conf it won't?! [02:09] Unit193: well, maybe it would [02:09] still makes no sense to rename it [02:11] https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-fonts/blob/master/README.md#special-note-on-droid-fonts [03:24] so Noto is the true and only replacement [03:25] I've gotten accustomed to it after having it set for the last week or so [03:25] but it definitely is not a drop in replacement for droid sans :\ [03:25] anyway, enough whining from me [03:25] :D [03:27] My turn! [03:28] bluesabre: ...mono is drop in. [03:28] Terminal is no different. [03:31] bluesabre: fonts-noto-mono (20160116-1), try it in your terminal, seriously. [03:31] Well, presuming you use droid there. :D [07:30] knome bluesabre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html [07:40] jjfrv8: no idea what's going on there then - not seeing it at all [08:29] bluesabre: re thunar - not surprised in the least - you probably have to have exactly the same version of the drive to see it :) [09:57] Well there it is in ubuntu-meta: * Added gnome-software to desktop-recommends [10:11] it's a start ;) [10:29] bluesabre: Something like lp:~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/gnome-software [10:38] bluesabre: You're not going to believe this, but I'm in favor of switching to Noto. === qwebirc122358 is now known as slickymasterWork [11:40] Unit193: I guess that if users do not install droid-sans-fallback, the droid-sans package will remain on their system, yes? [11:41] and Xfce gracefully falls back to Sans, so its not incredibly important to handle a migration [11:42] Nothing I know conflicts, though the upgrader could remove. [11:42] bluesabre: I found them to be close enough, and as noted in terminal no difference. [11:42] !info fonts-noto-mono xenail [11:42] 'xenail' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed [11:59] !info fonts-noto-mono xenial [11:59] fonts-noto-mono (source: fonts-noto): "No Tofu" monospaced font family with large Unicode coverage. In component universe, is optional. Version 20160116-1 (xenial), package size 71 kB, installed size 143 kB [11:59] let me help you there :) [11:59] I lost interest half way there as I already said the package name. Anywho, isn't bad. [12:26] yeah, not as bad as it was before [12:26] side by side [12:26] https://i.imgur.com/73C92LA.png [12:27] when I first tried using it last week or so, the font seemed to take up a strange amount of vertical space [12:27] it's still larger, but not as bad as it seemed before [12:28] in some places, the font is noticeably larger at the same font size [12:29] Yeah, not saying it's exact (except mono), just close enough may as well use the highly supported one. [12:29] yeah [12:29] knome, ochosi: where do you stand on this now? [12:29] heading out now, bbl [12:29] I'll +1 Noto at this point after using it for a week [12:30] (after I have already used it for a week, I should say to be clear) [12:30] I have just set it, and it doesn't annoy me enough to comment. +1 Noto. [12:59] bluesabre: Any reason xfce4-indicator-plugin would fail to show Qt applications? [12:59] Unit193: missing one of the libindicators mostly like, or indicator-application [12:59] which app? [13:00] dropbox, cmst. [13:00] Pyqt5, qt5. [13:00] possible that qt5 support is bad [13:06] bluesabre: ok - marked trusty now - forgetting all about that till next year :) [13:13] flocculant: great! [13:14] :) [13:17] flocculant: want to install fonts-noto, switch to it and use it for a bit to have some feedback? [13:17] heading out now, bbl [13:18] bluesabre: I will yep [13:18] have a day :) [13:18] I just installed fonts-noto-hinted and fonts-noto-mono. :3 [13:21] Unit193: you using mono in terminal? [13:21] Yes. [13:21] why would any sane person want -cjk :p [13:23] flocculant: ummm because they are Chinese Japanese of Korean I'm just throwing that one out there :P [13:23] s/of/or [13:24] davmor2: really? [13:24] :p [13:24] Or -unhinted? [13:25] but what I suppose I really mean is if I install noto-fonts why would I want -cjk [13:26] anyway - installed mono and hinted [13:48] installed them as well.. quite like the look of them.. look a little bigger than the standard.. but so far ok.. [13:49] flocculant, Whens Beta 1 due? Need to block out some time to give it a good bash and go over all the tests again.. [13:49] ohh and afternoon all :-) [15:35] flocculant, bluesabre: OK, so xfce4-terminal isn't updating fonts like it should/used to. Nevermind. >_< [16:25] bluesabre: i've been using noto sans 9 (yes 9) for some time now, and while it's not (as) fantastic (as droid), it's ok and i can mostly stand it [16:26] bluesabre, but yes, i still think it would need to be 9, because that's matching the droid sans 10 line-height and not blow up our UI too much [16:27] bluesabre, for the window title, droid sans bold 9 -> noto sans bold 9 is a fair replacement. [16:45] for anybody wondering; yes, i'm messing up with the wiki stylesheets [16:56] lol.. preferred the one from the other day [16:57] by messing i mean it's WIP ;) [16:57] nice one [17:02] oh and Knome the calendar is also working in midori as well now.. :-) ta. [17:02] good good :) [17:04] Akxwi-dave: next week [17:06] flocculant, cheers.. [17:06] <_Sponge> flocculant: How did the meeting, go last night ? [17:08] _Sponge: same as ever :) logs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [17:12] Sorry couldn't be there at that time.. the wife would have killed me.... was having drinky poo's [17:12] so was I ... [18:13] ajax? whot? [18:19] flocculant, how do you feel about a sidebar in the wiki? [18:19] flocculant, that is, for edit links and other info [18:19] or is that too obtrusive? === Hallo32 is now known as Justanick [18:43] knome: not too worried about it - tbh I only wiki when forced too so ... [18:45] flocculant, so, you would be ok with something á la http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ ? [18:45] I guess - seems a bit odd on the left - but other than that :) [18:45] left? [18:45] meh [18:45] :D [18:45] long day :) [18:46] yeah, i probably need to tweak it [18:46] looks odd on the right - I'd expect to see it on the left :) [18:46] but this would allow us to keep the consistency with the content area handling [18:46] to me, the sidebar looks odd because the list is so narrow [18:46] so lots of empty spce [18:46] then really whatever - I only wiki when forced too :) [18:46] +a too [18:47] knome: perhaps look better if search wasn't in sidebar [18:47] now i officially have too many mousepad windows open :( [18:49] maybe some of the links need to be button-y [18:49] oh yeah mono <3 [19:04] knome: wouldn't logout/userprofile/edit be better in header? [19:05] yes, getting there slowly [19:05] i'm planning to make the header created for all sites in one place [19:05] so we only need to update one file/conf [19:05] right - I'm in and out of channel so :) [22:25] 14.04.4 is out, I'm kind of swamped over here but if you need my help later w/ updates, lmk and I'll see what I can do [22:25] i shall go update the torrent links [22:28] want me to update front page? [22:28] did that [22:28] thanks :) [22:28] anything else? [22:28] checking [22:28] social mdia? [22:28] +e [22:28] yeah, let's do that [22:28] http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/processes.html#processes-website-updates [22:28] that tells me it's all we need to do [22:29] go us [22:29] just linking to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-February/000205.html in the social medias [22:31] tweeted [22:31] oh [22:31] hehe, that's fine too [22:32] i replied to our own tweet, also linking that [22:33] fb and g+ updated [22:33] great [22:34] knome: check year on front page [22:34] nooo [22:34] screenshot or it didn't happen [22:34] !! [22:34] the years are going to keep coming, whether you like it or not [22:34] haha [22:34] is ok now [22:35] i don't mind the years coming, but could they just use the same number? :P [22:37] or alternatively somebody should write a wordpress plugin that identifies when you have added a date, then looks up if it's close to the day (eg. all january, february and march dates currently), and if it's close to a year number which isn't the year number that is close to the current date, prompt if it was a mistake [22:38] that would likely lose people jobs because what else do people fix on websites but dates? [22:38] yeah, humans are bad at such things [22:39] computers are good at them [22:39] yep