[01:17] <jjfrv8> flocculant, aye, still seeing the abiword thing. But only happens with unmaximized window and the mouse cursor is outside the window.
[01:30] <bluesabre> so with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039211.html - it's expected that the dependencies should be updated when fonts-droid-fallback is not yet in the archive?
[01:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1546695 - Can't reproduce
[01:34] <knome> bluesabre, i think the OP is just being too hasty with it
[01:34] <knome> bluesabre, flocculant tried to send a mail saying we will take care of our packages, but it went to mod queue because he wasn't subbed :P
[01:34] <knome> bluesabre, but he also sent a mail directly to the OP
[01:38] <bluesabre> knome: yes
[01:38] <bluesabre> knome: and yeah, Droid Sans Fallback loses Droid Sans Mono and has a new font name
[01:38] <bluesabre> which makes it a pain no matter what
[01:39] <knome> so... i guess it would be frowned upon, but could we just ship the droid font files within xubuntu-default-settings
[01:39]  * knome hides
[01:39] <bluesabre> ew
[01:39] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings 16.04.2 Breaks fonts-droid
[01:39] <bluesabre> that would not be so nice
[01:39] <knome> i just don't understand why "fallback" needs to be in the font name.
[01:39] <bluesabre> :D
[01:39] <knome> that doesn't make sense.
[01:39] <bluesabre> yeah
[01:39] <bluesabre> its dumb
[01:40] <knome> fallback to what?
[01:40] <bluesabre> its a different font name
[01:40] <bluesabre> so fallback to nothing
[01:40] <knome> ..to the font that people want to use but that is no longer shipped?
[01:40] <knome> well i guess so, but meh
[01:41] <bluesabre> fun cycle
[01:41] <knome> what happened to xnox working to not get it removed now?
[01:55] <Unit193> noto is the main, droid is the fallback but Shouldn't Be Used™
[02:06] <bluesabre> renaming the font is still dumb
[02:06] <bluesabre> a site that requests "Droid Sans" isn't going to load Noto Sans
[02:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-fonts/fonts-noto.git/tree/debian/conf.avail/30-droid-noto.conf it won't?!
[02:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: well, maybe it would
[02:09] <bluesabre> still makes no sense to rename it
[02:11] <Unit193> https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-fonts/blob/master/README.md#special-note-on-droid-fonts
[03:24] <bluesabre> so Noto is the true and only replacement
[03:25] <bluesabre> I've gotten accustomed to it after having it set for the last week or so
[03:25] <bluesabre> but it definitely is not a drop in replacement for droid sans :\
[03:25] <bluesabre> anyway, enough whining from me
[03:25] <bluesabre> :D
[03:27] <Unit193> My turn!
[03:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...mono is drop in.
[03:28] <Unit193> Terminal is no different.
[03:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: fonts-noto-mono (20160116-1), try it in your terminal, seriously.
[03:31] <Unit193> Well, presuming you use droid there. :D
[07:30] <flocculant> knome bluesabre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039217.html
[07:40] <flocculant> jjfrv8: no idea what's going on there then - not seeing it at all 
[08:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: re thunar - not surprised in the least - you probably have to have exactly the same version of the drive to see it :)
[09:57] <Unit193> Well there it is in ubuntu-meta:   * Added gnome-software to desktop-recommends
[10:11] <slickymasterWork> it's a start ;)
[10:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Something like lp:~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/gnome-software
[10:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: You're not going to believe this, but I'm in favor of switching to Noto.
[11:40] <bluesabre> Unit193: I guess that if users do not install droid-sans-fallback, the droid-sans package will remain on their system, yes?
[11:41] <bluesabre> and Xfce gracefully falls back to Sans, so its not incredibly important to handle a migration
[11:42] <Unit193> Nothing I know conflicts, though the upgrader could remove.
[11:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: I found them to be close enough, and as noted in terminal no difference.
[11:42] <Unit193> !info fonts-noto-mono xenail
[11:59] <dkessel> !info fonts-noto-mono xenial
[11:59] <dkessel> let me help you there :)
[11:59] <Unit193> I lost interest half way there as I already said the package name.  Anywho, isn't bad.
[12:26] <bluesabre> yeah, not as bad as it was before
[12:26] <bluesabre> side by side
[12:26] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/73C92LA.png
[12:27] <bluesabre> when I first tried using it last week or so, the font seemed to take up a strange amount of vertical space
[12:27] <bluesabre> it's still larger, but not as bad as it seemed before
[12:28] <bluesabre> in some places, the font is noticeably larger at the same font size
[12:29] <Unit193> Yeah, not saying it's exact (except mono), just close enough may as well use the highly supported one.
[12:29] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:29] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: where do you stand on this now?
[12:29] <bluesabre> heading out now, bbl
[12:29] <bluesabre> I'll +1 Noto at this point after using it for a week
[12:30] <bluesabre> (after I have already used it for a week, I should say to be clear)
[12:30] <Unit193> I have just set it, and it doesn't annoy me enough to comment.  +1 Noto.
[12:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Any reason xfce4-indicator-plugin would fail to show Qt applications?
[12:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: missing one of the libindicators mostly like, or indicator-application
[12:59] <bluesabre> which app?
[13:00] <Unit193> dropbox, cmst.
[13:00] <Unit193> Pyqt5, qt5.
[13:00] <bluesabre> possible that qt5 support is bad
[13:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - marked trusty now - forgetting all about that till next year :)
[13:13] <bluesabre> flocculant: great!
[13:14] <flocculant> :)
[13:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: want to install fonts-noto, switch to it and use it for a bit to have some feedback?
[13:17] <bluesabre> heading out now, bbl
[13:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: I will yep
[13:18] <flocculant> have a day :)
[13:18] <Unit193> I just installed fonts-noto-hinted and fonts-noto-mono. :3
[13:21] <flocculant> Unit193: you using mono in terminal? 
[13:21] <Unit193> Yes.
[13:21] <flocculant> why would any sane person want -cjk :p
[13:23] <davmor2> flocculant: ummm because they are Chinese Japanese of Korean I'm just throwing that one out there :P
[13:23] <davmor2> s/of/or
[13:24] <flocculant> davmor2: really? 
[13:24] <flocculant> :p
[13:24] <Unit193> Or -unhinted?
[13:25] <flocculant> but what I suppose I really mean is if I install noto-fonts why would I want -cjk
[13:26] <flocculant> anyway - installed mono and hinted 
[13:48] <Akxwi-dave> installed them as well..  quite like the look of them.. look a little bigger than the standard.. but so far ok..
[13:49] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, Whens Beta 1 due?  Need to block out some time to give it a good bash and go over all the  tests again..
[13:49] <Akxwi-dave> ohh and afternoon all   :-)
[15:35] <Unit193> flocculant, bluesabre: OK, so xfce4-terminal isn't updating fonts like it should/used to.  Nevermind. >_<
[16:25] <knome> bluesabre: i've been using noto sans 9 (yes 9) for some time now, and while it's not (as) fantastic (as droid), it's ok and i can mostly stand it
[16:26] <knome> bluesabre, but yes, i still think it would need to be 9, because that's matching the droid sans 10 line-height and not blow up our UI too much
[16:27] <knome> bluesabre, for the window title, droid sans bold 9 -> noto sans bold 9 is a fair replacement.
[16:45] <knome> for anybody wondering; yes, i'm messing up with the wiki stylesheets
[16:56] <Akxwi-dave> lol.. preferred the one from the other day
[16:57] <knome> by messing i mean it's WIP ;)
[16:57] <Akxwi-dave> nice one
[17:02] <Akxwi-dave> oh and Knome the calendar is also working in midori as well now..  :-) ta.
[17:02] <knome> good good :)
[17:04] <flocculant> Akxwi-dave: next week
[17:06] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, cheers..
[17:06] <_Sponge> flocculant: How did the meeting, go last night ?
[17:08] <flocculant> _Sponge: same as ever :) logs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:12] <Akxwi-dave> Sorry couldn't be there at that time.. the wife would have killed me.... was having drinky poo's
[17:12] <flocculant> so was I ... 
[18:13] <lbssousa> ajax? whot?
[18:19] <knome> flocculant, how do you feel about a sidebar in the wiki?
[18:19] <knome> flocculant, that is, for edit links and other info
[18:19] <knome> or is that too obtrusive?
[18:43] <flocculant> knome: not too worried about it - tbh I only wiki when forced too so ... 
[18:45] <knome> flocculant, so, you would be ok with something á la http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ ?
[18:45] <flocculant> I guess - seems a bit odd on the left - but other than that :)
[18:45] <knome> left?
[18:45] <flocculant> meh
[18:45] <knome> :D
[18:45] <flocculant> long day :)
[18:46] <knome> yeah, i probably need to tweak it
[18:46] <flocculant> looks odd on the right - I'd expect to see it on the left :)
[18:46] <knome> but this would allow us to keep the consistency with the content area handling
[18:46] <knome> to me, the sidebar looks odd because the list is so narrow
[18:46] <knome> so lots of empty spce
[18:46] <flocculant> then really whatever - I only wiki when forced too :)
[18:46] <knome> +a too
[18:47] <flocculant> knome: perhaps look better if search wasn't in sidebar
[18:47] <knome> now i officially have too many mousepad windows open :(
[18:49] <knome> maybe some of the links need to be button-y
[18:49] <knome> oh yeah mono <3
[19:04] <flocculant> knome: wouldn't logout/userprofile/edit be better in header?
[19:05] <knome> yes, getting there slowly
[19:05] <knome> i'm planning to make the header created for all sites in one place
[19:05] <knome> so we only need to update one file/conf
[19:05] <flocculant> right - I'm in and out of channel so :)
[22:25] <pleia2> 14.04.4 is out, I'm kind of swamped over here but if you need my help later w/ updates, lmk and I'll see what I can do
[22:25] <knome> i shall go update the torrent links
[22:28] <pleia2> want me to update front page?
[22:28] <knome> did that
[22:28] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:28] <knome> anything else?
[22:28] <pleia2> checking
[22:28] <knome> social mdia?
[22:28] <knome> +e
[22:28] <pleia2> yeah, let's do that
[22:28] <knome> http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/processes.html#processes-website-updates
[22:28] <knome> that tells me it's all we need to do
[22:29] <pleia2> go us
[22:29] <pleia2> just linking to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-February/000205.html in the social medias
[22:31] <knome> tweeted
[22:31] <knome> oh
[22:31] <pleia2> hehe, that's fine too
[22:32] <knome> i replied to our own tweet, also linking that
[22:33] <pleia2> fb and g+ updated
[22:33] <knome> great
[22:34] <pleia2> knome: check year on front page
[22:34] <knome> nooo
[22:34] <knome> screenshot or it didn't happen
[22:34] <knome> !!
[22:34] <pleia2> the years are going to keep coming, whether you like it or not
[22:34] <pleia2> haha
[22:34] <pleia2> is ok now
[22:35] <knome> i don't mind the years coming, but could they just use the same number? :P
[22:37] <knome> or alternatively somebody should write a wordpress plugin that identifies when you have added a date, then looks up if it's close to the day (eg. all january, february and march dates currently), and if it's close to a year number which isn't the year number that is close to the current date, prompt if it was a mistake
[22:38] <knome> that would likely lose people jobs because what else do people fix on websites but dates?
[22:38] <pleia2> yeah, humans are bad at such things
[22:39] <pleia2> computers are good at them
[22:39] <knome> yep