| Kinetix242 | valorie: Hi! I asked briefly a day or two ago in #kubuntu about something you mentioned about looking for packagers, you said you'd talk about it here... Curious to see if you're around. | 04:18 |
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| === Kinetix242 is now known as kkinetix | ||
| kkinetix | And apparently I reconnected at some point earlier. | 04:20 |
| valorie | I'm here | 04:20 |
| valorie | nice to see you | 04:21 |
| kkinetix | Hi, how are you? | 04:21 |
| valorie | it would be great if you joined the Kubunt-devel list too | 04:21 |
| valorie | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel | 04:21 |
| kkinetix | Yes, I can see that would make sense | 04:21 |
| valorie | I'm good, and you? | 04:23 |
| valorie | we have the beginnings of a packaging doc in the topic, which you can see by typing /topic if your client doesn't display it | 04:24 |
| kkinetix | I'm pretty good thanks... have been doing some kubuntu installs lately as I've been looking to get some systems over to a useful binary-distribution-based KDE setup lately | 04:25 |
| valorie | it's a good time to do some testing | 04:25 |
| valorie | we've got the brand new 14.04.04 LTS | 04:26 |
| kkinetix | That's interesting... I've been reading a lot the past couple of days about Kubuntu & Ubuntu development, the methods for package development, etc. | 04:26 |
| valorie | and of course the 16.04 is what we're trying to finish for release time | 04:26 |
| kkinetix | But the notes.kde.org link in the topic requires a login | 04:26 |
| valorie | yes, your KDE identity | 04:26 |
| valorie | if you don't yet have one: https://identity.kde.org | 04:27 |
| kkinetix | Ah... I'm all setup in LP, hadn't done a KDE account yet | 04:28 |
| kkinetix | And how are things with kubuntu volunteering lately? I presume kubuntu's still got to be a very popular distro | 04:29 |
| valorie | yes, very | 04:35 |
| valorie | because two of our most active developers are now working in a new project (neon), we're struggling right now getting everything together for the LTS | 04:36 |
| valorie | other versions are somewhat less work | 04:36 |
| valorie | we're all volunteer at this point, so more help is always welcome! | 04:37 |
| kkinetix | I'd love to be able to help out a bit. I'm new to the debian way of package builds (no stranger to .debs from a user/administrator point of view, just not development). I've spent time assisting other distros in the past, and for some reason as I get older I appreciate debian and some of it's derivatives more. heh | 04:39 |
| kkinetix | The LTS releases take more work than the non-LTSes? Is that due to heavier test requirements? | 04:42 |
| valorie | partly, and also because it seems like this time the plasma team has been releasing *often* | 04:51 |
| valorie | the Debian merges this time were time-consuming as well | 04:52 |
| valorie | we have an extra challenge this time because something broke the installer, and nobody has time to fix it until all our uploads are done | 04:53 |
| DarinMiller | Hi valorie | 04:53 |
| valorie | which hampers our testers | 04:53 |
| valorie | hi DarinMiller | 04:53 |
| kkinetix | I see... and yes, there's been quite a bit of kde releasing lately, I think that's great except for the load that others have been having to deal with because of it | 04:54 |
| DarinMiller | I have been eves dropping on your conversation and was hoping you could explain why the Debian merges are more time consuming this time vs others. I read these logs daily trying to better understand this process and I am still very much in the dark. | 04:54 |
| valorie | because we had fewer packagers this time around | 04:56 |
| valorie | previously we're usually had at least one full-time paid developer | 04:57 |
| valorie | if not two | 04:57 |
| valorie | so it's more of a challenge with 3 part-timers | 04:57 |
| kkinetix | There's just 3 volunteers? Wow... I wish I'd come by a few months earlier | 04:58 |
| valorie | well, some other people volunteer for various stuff, some of them even packaging occasionally | 04:59 |
| valorie | but three people working pretty damn hard | 04:59 |
| kkinetix | I will get after the kubuntu packaging info, see if I can't find a way of helping | 05:32 |
| acheron88 | feature freeze for xenial. does that mean going to stay on plasma 5.4 for the initial release? | 08:29 |
| maxyz | sgclark: pong | 08:33 |
| valorie | acheron88: 5.5.4 | 08:35 |
| valorie | not sure why it still says landing | 08:36 |
| valorie | maybe because it's still in backports-landing for wily | 08:37 |
| acheron88 | that's in the landing ppa for the updates ppa, but it's not 'landed' yet in the main archive, which is what I was querying. | 08:44 |
| valorie | I'm not sure what the hitch is | 08:45 |
| valorie | testing is long done | 08:45 |
| acheron88 | at least LTS means that a lot of stable stuff will go into the main archive over time, so it's not a huge deal | 08:50 |
| acheron88 | I know there's been great efforts, and all contributors have worked their bsides off | 08:52 |
| acheron88 | still, feels like kubuntu is still sliding backwards even with that :( | 08:54 |
| acheron88 | that's not a criticism or dig. just how it feels as a long time user. I know it's far from easy at the moment | 08:55 |
| yofel | the current workload is frankly too much for the amount of time we can invest in the release | 08:55 |
| yofel | missing permissions to get stuff done is another issue | 08:56 |
| yofel | does someone have time to file the FFE's btw? | 08:59 |
| yofel | it would be great if someone could do it today. Otherwise we'll probably have to wait with uploading until after Beta 1 | 09:00 |
| clivejo | sgclark: yes there are problems with applications, but Im afraid they are beyond my skills to fix. libkf5kipi is complaining about symbols which seem to be to do with a private library. I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I could do more but I dont know how :( | 12:00 |
| clivejo | yofel: I would file FFE's, but again I dont know how! I've asked in #ubuntu+1 for help but nothing yet | 12:02 |
| yofel | !ffe | 12:03 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 12:03 |
| yofel | I wonder if we need 3 seperate ones for the main kde stuff | 12:04 |
| clivejo | but what does that mean?!? Do I have to go into each of the suite packages and file a bug for each one? | 12:04 |
| yofel | in theory. What we usually do is pick a core package and file a meta bug for the whole set using that | 12:05 |
| yofel | that's how SRU's are handled for example | 12:05 |
| yofel | we'll need to note that we need to upload everything around the same time.. | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:08 |
| clivejo | does anyone else know how to do it? ovidiu-florin ahoneybun et al ? | 12:10 |
| clivejo | hi BluesKaj | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hi clivejo, Congratulations btw, just in case you missed my post from a few days ago :-) | 12:12 |
| clivejo | thank you | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | now the pressure is on | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | just kidding :-) | 12:13 |
| clivejo | I know, its a steep learning curve | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | wonder if that glibc patch is in the repos...supposedly it's already been applied to 'buntus | 12:16 |
| clivejo | !info libc6 xenial | 12:18 |
| ubottu | libc6 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.21-0ubuntu6 (xenial), package size 3960 kB, installed size 9550 kB | 12:18 |
| clivejo | BluesKaj: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.21-0ubuntu6/changelog | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | a steep learning curve for me would be totally vertical, I have no computer language education and I'm lazy :-) | 12:20 |
| clivejo | so 2.21-0ubuntu6 is the fixed version | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | ok thanks, clivejo | 12:21 |
| clivejo | no prob | 12:24 |
| sgclark | clivejo: symbols from private libraries are safe to remove if that is the issue. | 13:29 |
| sgclark | yofel: clivejo: can we please finish these applications before we get distracted by shiny objects. | 13:30 |
| yofel | except that if we finish apps and have no approved FFE's we can't really do much with it | 13:31 |
| sgclark | So we file FFe? what is the problem? Are those banned now? | 13:31 |
| sgclark | I have filed FFe before, I don't recall it being overly difficult. Will do it if need be. But we need to finish first. | 13:34 |
| yofel | sgclark: we're in Feature Freeze since yesterday 9PM UTC | 13:35 |
| sgclark | yeah I am aware. But we have put exactly nothing in archive for this release. I expect that is not what we want? | 13:36 |
| yofel | I was just hoping that someone has time for it today so we could get something approved for the weekend | 13:36 |
| yofel | but we'll probably not be ready over the weekend anyway, and monday is beta freeze | 13:37 |
| yofel | so we have the whole week to finish stuff before we can think about uploading | 13:37 |
| sgclark | yofel: I am more than happy to file. | 13:37 |
| yofel | sgclark: and regarding clive doing frameworks. He said he can't do pim and was looking to do *something* | 13:38 |
| yofel | I tagged 5.18 as released. So if need be, we can upload that | 13:38 |
| sgclark | he has his own uploads that are still orange, I am working on pim | 13:38 |
| yofel | ok, thanks! | 13:39 |
| sgclark | I did clean up a bunch last night though | 13:39 |
| sgclark | clivejo: please pastebin the issue with ktp-text-ui perhaps we can help. All stuff you need to learn :) | 13:40 |
| sgclark | yofel: so kf5 5.18 , application 15.12.1 and plasma 5.5.4 for FFe sound ok? And do I need a new meta for each stack or is one ok you think? | 13:45 |
| yofel | one is probably fine. Stuff is broken if we don't upload all 3 anyway | 13:46 |
| sgclark | yeah | 13:46 |
| clivejo | sgclark yofel: W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpchat.so libktpchat.so | 14:36 |
| clivejo | W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpimagesharer.so libktpimagesharer.so | 14:36 |
| clivejo | I dunno what to do with those, this makes no sense! | 14:48 |
| sgclark | clivejo: join in debian-qt-kde for this exact discussion. | 14:49 |
| * clivejo stares at sgclark in bemusement | 14:51 | |
| sgclark | clivejo: you are in the debian irc channel? we are/were discussing the so version problem there. | 14:54 |
| clivejo | I am | 14:54 |
| clivejo | but Ive nothing to say :/ | 14:54 |
| sgclark | fair enough | 14:55 |
| clivejo | debian arent uploading it, but we have to | 14:55 |
| clivejo | I dont know enough about the problem to offer a solution to it, I dont even understand why the library is public when it looks to be a private one | 14:58 |
| sgclark | clivejo: no worries, I am still learning all that stuff too. yofel knows more thankfully. | 14:59 |
| clivejo | in my mind it shouldnt even be installed :/ | 14:59 |
| sgclark | lintian agrees with you! | 15:00 |
| yofel | it's people writing libs without caring how to do it properly | 15:00 |
| sgclark | ugh | 15:01 |
| sgclark | so should we file a bug upstream? | 15:01 |
| clivejo | how do other distros deal with it? | 15:02 |
| yofel | debian: don't upload. us: complain, fedora and suse: EDONTCARE I think | 15:04 |
| clivejo | I spoke to Jonathan about it last night and he talked about adding a override dh_makeshlibs and to add -Xpath/to/privatelib.so ? | 15:05 |
| clivejo | doesnt solve the problem but would stop lintian complaining :/ | 15:06 |
| yofel | right, that would work too.... | 15:06 |
| clivejo | yofel: what do you prefer? | 15:08 |
| yofel | fixing the damn issue, otherwise just making lintian shut up would be easiest | 15:08 |
| clivejo | the package *seems* to be building ok | 15:09 |
| yofel | I remember when we had a patch in smokegen that added a 0.0.0 version to the lib... | 15:09 |
| clivejo | a lintian override then? | 15:09 |
| yofel | just do it | 15:09 |
| yofel | it'll work fine | 15:09 |
| yofel | it's just that an unversion lib is a potentially unmaintainable lib - hence the warning | 15:09 |
| yofel | but private libs don't have that problem. They should just not be in the public lib path | 15:10 |
| clivejo | add it to not-installed? | 15:10 |
| yofel | no, then the app won't work | 15:10 |
| clivejo | *face palms* | 15:10 |
| yofel | it's ok as long as *JUST* the app uses it | 15:10 |
| clivejo | Im going a bit crazy over here | 15:11 |
| yofel | if something else uses it it's not private anymore and needs a stable interface | 15:11 |
| yofel | like akonaid *cough* | 15:11 |
| yofel | *akonadi | 15:11 |
| clivejo | sgclark: congrats on kdenlive! | 15:29 |
| sgclark | hehe thanks, that was a pain | 15:30 |
| clivejo | sounds like it! | 15:30 |
| sgclark | hmm seems I can no longer open files with kate in dolphin, can anyone else reproduce? | 16:03 |
| mamarley | sgclark: Works fine for me with Xenial and all the staging PPAs. | 16:04 |
| clivejo | sgclark: works for me, Xenial and Landing PPA's | 16:04 |
| sgclark | ok, I probably broke something | 16:04 |
| clivejo | mamarley: are you using apps staging? | 16:05 |
| mamarley | clivejo: Yes. I know it might break my system, but I am confident enough in my ability to fix it. | 16:05 |
| clivejo | mamarley: how are things looking? | 16:06 |
| clivejo | Im not brave enough ! | 16:06 |
| mamarley | clivejo: I haven't had any problems. Is there anything specific you want me to test? | 16:06 |
| clivejo | mamarley: we are working on apps at the moment | 16:06 |
| clivejo | just wondered how it looked | 16:07 |
| clivejo | I use PIM very heavily and I know its not working right yet | 16:07 |
| clivejo | does marble work?!? | 16:08 |
| mamarley | I don't use PIM at all. I use Dolphin and Konsole heavily, but that is about it. | 16:08 |
| mamarley | I haven't tried Marble. | 16:08 |
| sgclark | yeah we need libkgapi for pim, I submitted a FFe hopefully we can sync | 16:08 |
| sgclark | yofel: clivejo: kde-meta FFe has been submitted. | 16:11 |
| sgclark | we can finish up last few while that is in the works. | 16:11 |
| yofel | sgclark: *hugs* | 16:33 |
| sgclark | uh something went boom | 21:18 |
| soee_ | :) | 21:19 |
| sgclark | awesome launchpad cannot connect to archive ftp servers | 21:19 |
| * genii scans backlog for "Yippee" and makes more coffee | 22:44 | |
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