[04:18] <Kinetix242> valorie: Hi!  I asked briefly a day or two ago in #kubuntu about something you mentioned about looking for packagers, you said you'd talk about it here... Curious to see if you're around.
[04:20] <kkinetix> And apparently I reconnected at some point earlier.
[04:20] <valorie> I'm here
[04:21] <valorie> nice to see you
[04:21] <kkinetix> Hi, how are you?
[04:21] <valorie> it would be great if you joined the Kubunt-devel list too
[04:21] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[04:21] <kkinetix> Yes, I can see that would make sense
[04:23] <valorie> I'm good, and you?
[04:24] <valorie> we have the beginnings of a packaging doc in the topic, which you can see by typing /topic if your client doesn't display it
[04:25] <kkinetix> I'm pretty good thanks... have been doing some kubuntu installs lately as I've been looking to get some systems over to a useful binary-distribution-based KDE setup lately
[04:25] <valorie> it's a good time to do some testing
[04:26] <valorie> we've got the brand new 14.04.04 LTS
[04:26] <kkinetix> That's interesting... I've been reading a lot the past couple of days about Kubuntu & Ubuntu development, the methods for package development, etc.
[04:26] <valorie> and of course the 16.04 is what we're trying to finish for release time
[04:26] <kkinetix> But the notes.kde.org link in the topic requires a login
[04:26] <valorie> yes, your KDE identity
[04:27] <valorie> if you don't yet have one: https://identity.kde.org
[04:28] <kkinetix> Ah... I'm all setup in LP, hadn't done a KDE account yet
[04:29] <kkinetix> And how are things with kubuntu volunteering lately?  I presume kubuntu's still got to be a very popular distro
[04:35] <valorie> yes, very
[04:36] <valorie> because two of our most active developers are now working in a new project (neon), we're struggling right now getting everything together for the LTS
[04:36] <valorie> other versions are somewhat less work
[04:37] <valorie> we're all volunteer at this point, so more help is always welcome!
[04:39] <kkinetix> I'd love to be able to help out a bit.  I'm new to the debian way of package builds (no stranger to .debs from a user/administrator point of view, just not development).  I've spent time assisting other distros in the past, and for some reason as I get older I appreciate debian and some of it's derivatives more.  heh
[04:42] <kkinetix> The LTS releases take more work than the non-LTSes?  Is that due to heavier test requirements?
[04:51] <valorie> partly, and also because it seems like this time the plasma team has been releasing *often*
[04:52] <valorie> the Debian merges this time were time-consuming as well
[04:53] <valorie> we have an extra challenge this time because something broke the installer, and nobody has time to fix it until all our uploads are done
[04:53] <DarinMiller> Hi valorie
[04:53] <valorie> which hampers our testers
[04:53] <valorie> hi DarinMiller
[04:54] <kkinetix> I see... and yes, there's been quite a bit of kde releasing lately, I think that's great except for the load that others have been having to deal with because of it
[04:54] <DarinMiller> I have been eves dropping on your conversation and was hoping you could explain why the Debian merges are more time consuming this time vs others.  I read these logs daily trying to better understand this process and I am still very much in the dark.
[04:56] <valorie> because we had fewer packagers this time around
[04:57] <valorie> previously we're usually had at least one full-time paid developer
[04:57] <valorie> if not two
[04:57] <valorie> so it's more of a challenge with 3 part-timers
[04:58] <kkinetix> There's just 3 volunteers? Wow... I wish I'd come by a few months earlier
[04:59] <valorie> well, some other people volunteer for various stuff, some of them even packaging occasionally
[04:59] <valorie> but three people working pretty damn hard
[05:32] <kkinetix> I will get after the kubuntu packaging info, see if I can't find a way of helping
[08:29] <acheron88> feature freeze for xenial. does that mean going to stay on plasma 5.4 for the initial release?
[08:33] <maxyz> sgclark: pong
[08:35] <valorie> acheron88: 5.5.4
[08:36] <valorie> not sure why it still says landing
[08:37] <valorie> maybe because it's still in backports-landing for wily
[08:44] <acheron88> that's in the landing ppa for the updates ppa, but it's not 'landed' yet in the main archive, which is what I was querying.
[08:45] <valorie> I'm not sure what the hitch is
[08:45] <valorie> testing is long done
[08:50] <acheron88> at least LTS means that a lot of stable stuff will go into the main archive over time, so it's not a huge deal
[08:52] <acheron88> I know there's been great efforts, and all contributors have worked their bsides off
[08:54] <acheron88> still, feels like kubuntu is still sliding backwards even with that :(
[08:55] <acheron88> that's not a criticism or dig. just how it feels as a long time user. I know it's far from easy at the moment
[08:55] <yofel> the current workload is frankly too much for the amount of time we can invest in the release
[08:56] <yofel> missing permissions to get stuff done is another issue
[08:59] <yofel> does someone have time to file the FFE's btw?
[09:00] <yofel> it would be great if someone could do it today. Otherwise we'll probably have to wait with uploading until after Beta 1
[12:00] <clivejo> sgclark: yes there are problems with applications, but Im afraid they are beyond my skills to fix.  libkf5kipi is complaining about symbols which seem to be to do with a private library.  I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I could do more but I dont know how :( 
[12:02] <clivejo> yofel: I would file FFE's, but again I dont know how!  I've asked in #ubuntu+1 for help but nothing yet
[12:03] <yofel> !ffe
[12:04] <yofel> I wonder if we need 3 seperate ones for the main kde stuff
[12:04] <clivejo> but what does that mean?!?  Do I have to go into each of the suite packages and file a bug for each one?
[12:05] <yofel> in theory. What we usually do is pick a core package and file a meta bug for the whole set using that
[12:05] <yofel> that's how SRU's are handled for example
[12:06] <yofel> we'll need to note that we need to upload everything around the same time..
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <clivejo> does anyone else know how to do it?  ovidiu-florin ahoneybun et al ?
[12:10] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo, Congratulations btw, just in case you missed my post from a few days ago :-)
[12:12] <clivejo> thank you
[12:12] <BluesKaj> now the pressure is on 
[12:13] <BluesKaj> just kidding :-)
[12:15] <clivejo> I know, its a steep learning curve
[12:16] <BluesKaj> wonder if that glibc patch is in the repos...supposedly it's already been applied to 'buntus
[12:18] <clivejo> !info libc6 xenial
[12:20] <clivejo> BluesKaj:  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.21-0ubuntu6/changelog
[12:20] <BluesKaj> a steep learning curve for me would be totally vertical, I have no computer language education and I'm lazy :-)
[12:20] <clivejo> so 2.21-0ubuntu6 is the fixed version
[12:21] <BluesKaj> ok thanks, clivejo
[12:24] <clivejo> no prob
[13:29] <sgclark> clivejo: symbols from private libraries are safe to remove if that is the issue.
[13:30] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: can we please finish these applications before we get distracted by shiny objects.
[13:31] <yofel> except that if we finish apps and have no approved FFE's we can't really do much with it
[13:31] <sgclark> So we file FFe? what is the problem? Are those banned now?
[13:34] <sgclark> I have filed FFe before, I don't recall it being overly difficult. Will do it if need be. But we need to finish first.
[13:35] <yofel> sgclark: we're in Feature Freeze since yesterday 9PM UTC
[13:36] <sgclark> yeah I am aware. But we have put exactly nothing in archive for this release. I expect that is not what we want?
[13:36] <yofel> I was just hoping that someone has time for it today so we could get something approved for the weekend
[13:37] <yofel> but we'll probably not be ready over the weekend anyway, and monday is beta freeze
[13:37] <yofel> so we have the whole week to finish stuff before we can think about uploading
[13:37] <sgclark> yofel: I  am more than happy to file.
[13:38] <yofel> sgclark: and regarding clive doing frameworks. He said he can't do pim and was looking to do *something*
[13:38] <yofel> I tagged 5.18 as released. So if need be, we can upload that
[13:38] <sgclark> he has his own uploads that are still orange, I am working on pim
[13:39] <yofel> ok, thanks!
[13:39] <sgclark> I did clean up a bunch last night though
[13:40] <sgclark> clivejo: please pastebin the issue with ktp-text-ui perhaps we can help. All stuff you need to learn :)
[13:45] <sgclark> yofel: so kf5 5.18 , application 15.12.1 and plasma 5.5.4 for FFe sound ok? And do I need a new meta for each stack or is one ok you think?
[13:46] <yofel> one is probably fine. Stuff is broken if we don't upload all 3 anyway
[13:46] <sgclark> yeah
[14:36] <clivejo> sgclark yofel: W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpchat.so libktpchat.so
[14:36] <clivejo> W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpimagesharer.so libktpimagesharer.so
[14:48] <clivejo> I dunno what to do with those, this makes no sense!
[14:49] <sgclark> clivejo: join in debian-qt-kde for this exact discussion.
[14:51]  * clivejo stares at sgclark in bemusement
[14:54] <sgclark> clivejo: you are in the debian irc channel? we are/were discussing the so version problem there.
[14:54] <clivejo> I am
[14:54] <clivejo> but Ive nothing to say :/
[14:55] <sgclark> fair enough
[14:55] <clivejo> debian arent uploading it, but we have to
[14:58] <clivejo> I dont know enough about the problem to offer a solution to it, I dont even understand why the library is public when it looks to be a private one
[14:59] <sgclark> clivejo: no worries, I am still learning all that stuff too. yofel knows more thankfully.
[14:59] <clivejo> in my mind it shouldnt even be installed :/
[15:00] <sgclark> lintian agrees with you!
[15:00] <yofel> it's people writing libs without caring how to do it properly
[15:01] <sgclark> ugh
[15:01] <sgclark> so should we file a bug upstream?
[15:02] <clivejo> how do other distros deal with it?
[15:04] <yofel> debian: don't upload. us: complain, fedora and suse: EDONTCARE I think
[15:05] <clivejo> I spoke to Jonathan about it last night and he talked about adding a override dh_makeshlibs and to add -Xpath/to/privatelib.so ?
[15:06] <clivejo> doesnt solve the problem but would stop lintian complaining :/
[15:06] <yofel> right, that would work too....
[15:08] <clivejo> yofel: what do you prefer?
[15:08] <yofel> fixing the damn issue, otherwise just making lintian shut up would be easiest
[15:09] <clivejo> the package *seems* to be building ok
[15:09] <yofel> I remember when we had a patch in smokegen that added a 0.0.0 version to the lib...
[15:09] <clivejo> a lintian override then?
[15:09] <yofel> just do it
[15:09] <yofel> it'll work fine
[15:09] <yofel> it's just that an unversion lib is a potentially unmaintainable lib - hence the warning
[15:10] <yofel> but private libs don't have that problem. They should just not be in the public lib path
[15:10] <clivejo> add it to not-installed?
[15:10] <yofel> no, then the app won't work
[15:10] <clivejo> *face palms*
[15:10] <yofel> it's ok as long as *JUST* the app uses it
[15:11] <clivejo> Im going a bit crazy over here
[15:11] <yofel> if something else uses it it's not private anymore and needs a stable interface
[15:11] <yofel> like akonaid *cough*
[15:11] <yofel> *akonadi
[15:29] <clivejo> sgclark: congrats on kdenlive!
[15:30] <sgclark> hehe thanks, that was a pain
[15:30] <clivejo> sounds like it!
[16:03] <sgclark> hmm seems I can no longer open files with kate in dolphin, can anyone else reproduce?
[16:04] <mamarley> sgclark: Works fine for me with Xenial and all the staging PPAs.
[16:04] <clivejo> sgclark: works for me, Xenial and Landing PPA's
[16:04] <sgclark> ok, I probably broke something
[16:05] <clivejo> mamarley: are you using apps staging?
[16:05] <mamarley> clivejo: Yes.  I know it might break my system, but I am confident enough in my ability to fix it.
[16:06] <clivejo> mamarley: how are things looking?
[16:06] <clivejo> Im not brave enough !
[16:06] <mamarley> clivejo: I haven't had any problems.  Is there anything specific you want me to test?
[16:06] <clivejo> mamarley: we are working on apps at the moment
[16:07] <clivejo> just wondered how it looked
[16:07] <clivejo> I use PIM very heavily and I know its not working right yet
[16:08] <clivejo> does marble work?!?
[16:08] <mamarley> I don't use PIM at all.  I use Dolphin and Konsole heavily, but that is about it.
[16:08] <mamarley> I haven't tried Marble.
[16:08] <sgclark> yeah we need libkgapi for pim, I submitted a FFe hopefully we can sync
[16:11] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: kde-meta FFe has been submitted. 
[16:11] <sgclark> we can finish up last few while that is in the works.
[16:33] <yofel> sgclark: *hugs*
[21:18] <sgclark> uh something went boom
[21:19] <soee_> :)
[21:19] <sgclark> awesome launchpad cannot connect to archive ftp servers 
[22:44]  * genii scans backlog for "Yippee" and makes more coffee