[04:18] valorie: Hi! I asked briefly a day or two ago in #kubuntu about something you mentioned about looking for packagers, you said you'd talk about it here... Curious to see if you're around. === Kinetix242 is now known as kkinetix [04:20] And apparently I reconnected at some point earlier. [04:20] I'm here [04:21] nice to see you [04:21] Hi, how are you? [04:21] it would be great if you joined the Kubunt-devel list too [04:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [04:21] Yes, I can see that would make sense [04:23] I'm good, and you? [04:24] we have the beginnings of a packaging doc in the topic, which you can see by typing /topic if your client doesn't display it [04:25] I'm pretty good thanks... have been doing some kubuntu installs lately as I've been looking to get some systems over to a useful binary-distribution-based KDE setup lately [04:25] it's a good time to do some testing [04:26] we've got the brand new 14.04.04 LTS [04:26] That's interesting... I've been reading a lot the past couple of days about Kubuntu & Ubuntu development, the methods for package development, etc. [04:26] and of course the 16.04 is what we're trying to finish for release time [04:26] But the notes.kde.org link in the topic requires a login [04:26] yes, your KDE identity [04:27] if you don't yet have one: https://identity.kde.org [04:28] Ah... I'm all setup in LP, hadn't done a KDE account yet [04:29] And how are things with kubuntu volunteering lately? I presume kubuntu's still got to be a very popular distro [04:35] yes, very [04:36] because two of our most active developers are now working in a new project (neon), we're struggling right now getting everything together for the LTS [04:36] other versions are somewhat less work [04:37] we're all volunteer at this point, so more help is always welcome! [04:39] I'd love to be able to help out a bit. I'm new to the debian way of package builds (no stranger to .debs from a user/administrator point of view, just not development). I've spent time assisting other distros in the past, and for some reason as I get older I appreciate debian and some of it's derivatives more. heh [04:42] The LTS releases take more work than the non-LTSes? Is that due to heavier test requirements? [04:51] partly, and also because it seems like this time the plasma team has been releasing *often* [04:52] the Debian merges this time were time-consuming as well [04:53] we have an extra challenge this time because something broke the installer, and nobody has time to fix it until all our uploads are done [04:53] Hi valorie [04:53] which hampers our testers [04:53] hi DarinMiller [04:54] I see... and yes, there's been quite a bit of kde releasing lately, I think that's great except for the load that others have been having to deal with because of it [04:54] I have been eves dropping on your conversation and was hoping you could explain why the Debian merges are more time consuming this time vs others. I read these logs daily trying to better understand this process and I am still very much in the dark. [04:56] because we had fewer packagers this time around [04:57] previously we're usually had at least one full-time paid developer [04:57] if not two [04:57] so it's more of a challenge with 3 part-timers [04:58] There's just 3 volunteers? Wow... I wish I'd come by a few months earlier [04:59] well, some other people volunteer for various stuff, some of them even packaging occasionally [04:59] but three people working pretty damn hard [05:32] I will get after the kubuntu packaging info, see if I can't find a way of helping [08:29] feature freeze for xenial. does that mean going to stay on plasma 5.4 for the initial release? [08:33] sgclark: pong [08:35] acheron88: 5.5.4 [08:36] not sure why it still says landing [08:37] maybe because it's still in backports-landing for wily [08:44] that's in the landing ppa for the updates ppa, but it's not 'landed' yet in the main archive, which is what I was querying. [08:45] I'm not sure what the hitch is [08:45] testing is long done [08:50] at least LTS means that a lot of stable stuff will go into the main archive over time, so it's not a huge deal [08:52] I know there's been great efforts, and all contributors have worked their bsides off [08:54] still, feels like kubuntu is still sliding backwards even with that :( [08:55] that's not a criticism or dig. just how it feels as a long time user. I know it's far from easy at the moment [08:55] the current workload is frankly too much for the amount of time we can invest in the release [08:56] missing permissions to get stuff done is another issue [08:59] does someone have time to file the FFE's btw? [09:00] it would be great if someone could do it today. Otherwise we'll probably have to wait with uploading until after Beta 1 [12:00] sgclark: yes there are problems with applications, but Im afraid they are beyond my skills to fix. libkf5kipi is complaining about symbols which seem to be to do with a private library. I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I could do more but I dont know how :( [12:02] yofel: I would file FFE's, but again I dont know how! I've asked in #ubuntu+1 for help but nothing yet [12:03] !ffe [12:03] Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. [12:04] I wonder if we need 3 seperate ones for the main kde stuff [12:04] but what does that mean?!? Do I have to go into each of the suite packages and file a bug for each one? [12:05] in theory. What we usually do is pick a core package and file a meta bug for the whole set using that [12:05] that's how SRU's are handled for example [12:06] we'll need to note that we need to upload everything around the same time.. [12:08] Hiyas all [12:10] does anyone else know how to do it? ovidiu-florin ahoneybun et al ? [12:10] hi BluesKaj [12:12] Hi clivejo, Congratulations btw, just in case you missed my post from a few days ago :-) [12:12] thank you [12:12] now the pressure is on [12:13] just kidding :-) [12:15] I know, its a steep learning curve [12:16] wonder if that glibc patch is in the repos...supposedly it's already been applied to 'buntus [12:18] !info libc6 xenial [12:18] libc6 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.21-0ubuntu6 (xenial), package size 3960 kB, installed size 9550 kB [12:20] BluesKaj: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.21-0ubuntu6/changelog [12:20] a steep learning curve for me would be totally vertical, I have no computer language education and I'm lazy :-) [12:20] so 2.21-0ubuntu6 is the fixed version [12:21] ok thanks, clivejo [12:24] no prob [13:29] clivejo: symbols from private libraries are safe to remove if that is the issue. [13:30] yofel: clivejo: can we please finish these applications before we get distracted by shiny objects. [13:31] except that if we finish apps and have no approved FFE's we can't really do much with it [13:31] So we file FFe? what is the problem? Are those banned now? [13:34] I have filed FFe before, I don't recall it being overly difficult. Will do it if need be. But we need to finish first. [13:35] sgclark: we're in Feature Freeze since yesterday 9PM UTC [13:36] yeah I am aware. But we have put exactly nothing in archive for this release. I expect that is not what we want? [13:36] I was just hoping that someone has time for it today so we could get something approved for the weekend [13:37] but we'll probably not be ready over the weekend anyway, and monday is beta freeze [13:37] so we have the whole week to finish stuff before we can think about uploading [13:37] yofel: I am more than happy to file. [13:38] sgclark: and regarding clive doing frameworks. He said he can't do pim and was looking to do *something* [13:38] I tagged 5.18 as released. So if need be, we can upload that [13:38] he has his own uploads that are still orange, I am working on pim [13:39] ok, thanks! [13:39] I did clean up a bunch last night though [13:40] clivejo: please pastebin the issue with ktp-text-ui perhaps we can help. All stuff you need to learn :) [13:45] yofel: so kf5 5.18 , application 15.12.1 and plasma 5.5.4 for FFe sound ok? And do I need a new meta for each stack or is one ok you think? [13:46] one is probably fine. Stuff is broken if we don't upload all 3 anyway [13:46] yeah [14:36] sgclark yofel: W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpchat.so libktpchat.so [14:36] W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: shlib-without-versioned-soname usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libktpimagesharer.so libktpimagesharer.so [14:48] I dunno what to do with those, this makes no sense! [14:49] clivejo: join in debian-qt-kde for this exact discussion. [14:51] * clivejo stares at sgclark in bemusement [14:54] clivejo: you are in the debian irc channel? we are/were discussing the so version problem there. [14:54] I am [14:54] but Ive nothing to say :/ [14:55] fair enough [14:55] debian arent uploading it, but we have to [14:58] I dont know enough about the problem to offer a solution to it, I dont even understand why the library is public when it looks to be a private one [14:59] clivejo: no worries, I am still learning all that stuff too. yofel knows more thankfully. [14:59] in my mind it shouldnt even be installed :/ [15:00] lintian agrees with you! [15:00] it's people writing libs without caring how to do it properly [15:01] ugh [15:01] so should we file a bug upstream? [15:02] how do other distros deal with it? [15:04] debian: don't upload. us: complain, fedora and suse: EDONTCARE I think [15:05] I spoke to Jonathan about it last night and he talked about adding a override dh_makeshlibs and to add -Xpath/to/privatelib.so ? [15:06] doesnt solve the problem but would stop lintian complaining :/ [15:06] right, that would work too.... [15:08] yofel: what do you prefer? [15:08] fixing the damn issue, otherwise just making lintian shut up would be easiest [15:09] the package *seems* to be building ok [15:09] I remember when we had a patch in smokegen that added a 0.0.0 version to the lib... [15:09] a lintian override then? [15:09] just do it [15:09] it'll work fine [15:09] it's just that an unversion lib is a potentially unmaintainable lib - hence the warning [15:10] but private libs don't have that problem. They should just not be in the public lib path [15:10] add it to not-installed? [15:10] no, then the app won't work [15:10] *face palms* [15:10] it's ok as long as *JUST* the app uses it [15:11] Im going a bit crazy over here [15:11] if something else uses it it's not private anymore and needs a stable interface [15:11] like akonaid *cough* [15:11] *akonadi [15:29] sgclark: congrats on kdenlive! [15:30] hehe thanks, that was a pain [15:30] sounds like it! [16:03] hmm seems I can no longer open files with kate in dolphin, can anyone else reproduce? [16:04] sgclark: Works fine for me with Xenial and all the staging PPAs. [16:04] sgclark: works for me, Xenial and Landing PPA's [16:04] ok, I probably broke something [16:05] mamarley: are you using apps staging? [16:05] clivejo: Yes. I know it might break my system, but I am confident enough in my ability to fix it. [16:06] mamarley: how are things looking? [16:06] Im not brave enough ! [16:06] clivejo: I haven't had any problems. Is there anything specific you want me to test? [16:06] mamarley: we are working on apps at the moment [16:07] just wondered how it looked [16:07] I use PIM very heavily and I know its not working right yet [16:08] does marble work?!? [16:08] I don't use PIM at all. I use Dolphin and Konsole heavily, but that is about it. [16:08] I haven't tried Marble. [16:08] yeah we need libkgapi for pim, I submitted a FFe hopefully we can sync [16:11] yofel: clivejo: kde-meta FFe has been submitted. [16:11] we can finish up last few while that is in the works. [16:33] sgclark: *hugs* [21:18] uh something went boom [21:19] :) [21:19] awesome launchpad cannot connect to archive ftp servers [22:44] * genii scans backlog for "Yippee" and makes more coffee