[05:42] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:42] <Kilos> inetpro 21mm
[06:05] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[06:05]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:17] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[06:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:59] <inetpro> Kilos: 7+17mm
[06:59] <inetpro> good evenings
[07:59] <superfly> ohey kmf
[08:04] <inetpro> superfly: does he even realise that he's here?
[08:07] <superfly> who knows
[08:10] <kmf> @superfly @inetpro he does 
[08:10] <inetpro> oh wow :-)
[08:10] <inetpro> wb kmf, nice to see you here 
[08:10] <kmf> @inetpro xxx
[08:11] <kmf> @kmf thanks :) .... since I'm a ubuntu desktop user again I'm here :) ... is it ok?
[08:15] <inetpro> oh of course you should come here much more often even if you do not use ubuntu
[08:15] <kmf> @inetpro heh :D
[08:18] <inetpro> kmf: so how long have you been on the Ubuntu desktop again? 
[08:18] <inetpro> I know it's just a matter of time until you switch to the next distro again
[08:18] <kmf> @inetpro 2 weeks ... was on Fedora for along time
[08:19] <kmf> @inetpro s/along/a long/g
[08:20] <kmf> @inetpro guess I'm getting emotionally ready for Ubuntu Touch
[10:01] <inetpro> superfly: so can I download and read that python book even if I don't have a kindle?
[10:02] <superfly> inetpro: nope, I'm afraid not
[10:02] <inetpro> ai!
[10:02] <superfly> inetpro: well, if you have an Android phone, you can install Kindle for Android
[10:02] <superfly> and there's also Kindle for PC
[10:03] <superfly> so you don't need an actual Kindle eReader, but you need a Kindle app
[10:03] <superfly> (sorry, misunderstood your question)
[10:06] <inetpro> oh yes, I see now
[10:07] <inetpro> ouch.... nearly 50MB for that Kindle app
[10:08] <inetpro> also remember now having it installed on a previous device long ago
[10:21] <inetpro> ai!
[10:22] <Kilos> what?
[10:22] <inetpro> very stupid that you can't read the kindle ebook with the cloud reader in the browser
[10:23] <Kilos> Maaz google kindle ebook reader for ubuntu
[10:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "kindle app for linux - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2119621 :: "Sysads Gazette Install Amazon Kindle on Ubuntu 14.04 - Sysads ..." http://sysads.co.uk/2014/08/install-amazon-kindle-ubuntu-14-04/ :: "Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Kindle App for Ubuntu Linux Users"
[10:23] <Maaz> http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&cdThread=TxKQ2GL84PRMQD :: "kindle for linux: how to read kindle books on a linu…
[10:25] <inetpro> Kilos: Amazon has https://read.amazon.com/
[10:25] <inetpro> but for the fly's book you get this error: we're sorry. Kinlde Cloud Reader can't open this book, but you can read it withy our free Kindle app
[10:25] <inetpro> Kindle as well
[10:25] <Kilos> ai!
[10:25] <superfly> Kindle for PC works in WINE
[10:26] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <inetpro> we still have a long way to go to free ourselves from these shackles
[10:29] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, not gonna get around it while there are publishers out there
[10:30] <inetpro> I still dream of the day where I can pick any book from a ebook shelf, select a local printing house and go there to pick it up within a few minutes
[10:32] <inetpro> at a reasonable price to cover for the real printing costs plus a very small amount for the author
[10:32] <Kilos> what about the third option of downloading and converting to epub
[10:32] <Kilos> http://ariaprime.com/blog/linux-and-technology/kindle-linux-read-kindle-books-linux-system/258/
[10:32] <inetpro> ebooks should be free
[10:33] <kmf> @inetpro you can use the Kindle Cloud reader in Chrome
[10:34] <Kilos> hi kmf nice to see you here
[10:36] <inetpro> kmf: not for the book "Mastering Python Lists"
[10:36] <inetpro> kmf: what IRC client are you using?
[10:38] <kmf> @Kilos thanks :)
[10:39] <kmf> @inetpro smuxi
[10:41] <inetpro> yikes!
[10:42] <inetpro> so is it smuxi adding this funny '@' character when you talk to someone or is it just you typing it?
[10:42] <inetpro> we're not on twitter here :-)
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:43]  * inetpro hides behind a big rock
[10:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:44] <Kilos> puuuck puck puck puck
[10:45] <Kilos> oh my inetpro now you chased him away
[10:45] <inetpro> eish!
[10:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I think he's just busy at work and didn't expect us to chat so much 
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[11:05] <Kilos> inetpro support karl hey or else
[11:05] <Kilos> i go have lunch
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[11:06] <inetpro> what I do wrong?
[11:07] <inetpro> Kilos: enjoy your meal
[11:07] <kmf> :)
[11:10] <Kilos> inetpro i just jumped in before you do something wrong
[11:22] <inetpro> thanks oom Kilos
[11:23] <inetpro> it's Friday after all
[11:23]  * anton_may waves
[11:24] <Kilos> hi anton_may 
[11:25] <anton_may> Almost going home time
[11:25] <Kilos> hehe
[11:29] <kmf> so close
[11:42] <Kilos> we have our own paste bin kmf 
[11:42] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info
[11:52] <inetpro> kmf: while you are here, what do you use in place of Visio?
[11:52] <inetpro> if anything
[11:52] <kmf> call me old fashioned .... dia
[11:52] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:52] <kmf> however LibreOffice draw gets better :p
[11:53] <kmf> and if you are mega adventurous .... you could use gimp.
[11:53] <kmf> and if you have lots of time Blender
[11:53] <inetpro> yeah, I also like LO Draw
[11:58] <inetpro> unfortunately I still haven't found anything that is quite like Visio just yet
[11:58] <superfly> I've used Draw to great effect recently
[11:59] <inetpro> we still need something with all the standard stencils 
[12:26] <kmf> @superfly ... can you proof something for me?
[12:36] <superfly> kmf: yeah, sure
[12:41] <kmf> @superfly sent it through
[12:42] <superfly> kmf: got it, refining it
[12:42] <kmf> @superfly you are a star
[13:03] <superfly> kmf: you're welcome.
[13:23] <Kilos> chesedo are you working yet?
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz seen plustwo
[13:34] <Maaz> Kilos: plustwo was last seen 10 months, 5 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-20 02:22:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-02 07:31:03 PDT
[13:34] <Kilos> inetpro rev him
[13:34] <Kilos> or kick his butt
[13:35] <Kilos> see no good locking up the sjambok
[13:35] <Kilos> peeps get slack
[13:57] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <superfly> cal_py: hi!
[14:30] <cal_py> sup superfly 
[14:30] <cal_py> how are you?
[15:16] <superfly> Maaz: tell cal_py sorry, I had to run
[15:16] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell cal_py on freenode
[17:47] <Kilos> wb kmf 
[17:47] <kmf> it's a quicky
[17:48] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <Kilos> im nosy now but tomorrow will do
[17:48] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[17:48] <theblazehen> hi cal_py
[17:48] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[17:48] <Kilos> how are you lad
[17:48] <cal_py> hey theblazehen 
[17:49] <cal_py> hey Kilos and friends!
[17:49] <Kilos> cal_py you in ptown hey
[17:49] <cal_py> ptown>
[17:49] <theblazehen> Good ty Kilos. And you?
[17:49] <Kilos> pretoria man
[17:49] <Kilos> im good ty theblazehen 
[17:55] <cal_py> ooooo no im in kzn
[17:55] <superfly> hi cal_py
[17:55] <cal_py> hey superfly how goes it?
[17:55] <superfly> they theblazehen, haven't seen you in a while
[17:55] <superfly> cal_py: busy, but good. just put the kids to bed
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz seen chesedo 
[17:56] <Maaz> Kilos: chesedo was last seen 1 day, 23 hours, 43 minutes and 44 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-02-17 10:13:00 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-02-17 09:58:35 PST
[17:58] <cal_py> cool superfly, one question if its not too personal do you program for a living?
[17:59] <superfly> cal_py: I do. I work for a company called Nomanini - http://nomanini.com/
[17:59] <theblazehen> Hi superfly, yeah, been busy.. Started internship this year, and also got another job that I started in november
[18:00] <cal_py> awesome!!!! looking at the site right now
[18:01] <superfly> theblazehen: wow, great. what you up to?
[18:02] <cal_py> looks like an interesting system superfly I've been working on a custom GSM controllor for about 2 years now getting close to the end, do you guys make the hardware as well?
[18:02] <superfly> cal_py: Yes, we do. Our second generation terminal is actually running Linux :-D
[18:03] <cal_py> awesome so its arm based?
[18:03] <superfly> cal_py: http://nomanini.com/case-study-how-google-cloud-platform-powers-nomaninis-payments-platform-2015-11-18/
[18:03] <superfly> cal_py: yes
[18:04] <theblazehen> @superfly for the internship mostly some support stuff, and then trying out some new things that the others don't really have time to. And I'm the only Linux guy for the german company, so keep all the sites running, move sites to our new ha setup etc, and gonna start some dev work soon
[18:04] <superfly> theblazehen: wow, that's pretty hectic
[18:06] <cal_py> wow cool, I was trialing some IoT stuff for a chicken farm to capture water usage with a Rpi but unfortunatly my python foo wasnt strong enough to make it work :(
[18:06] <cal_py> superfly, just watched that video did I see a sim900 chip? :)
[18:06] <theblazehen> @superfly Yeah, it's quite fun.. Most of the time. Until stuff breaks.. Good thing I made backups, cause a week or so back the dev lost some data in the DB. That was the day that I discovered that my backups weren't the easiest to *partially* restore
[18:06] <superfly> cal_py: 808
[18:06] <superfly> theblazehen: yeah... backups -_-
[18:07] <cal_py> that's the one with smd pads underneith the chip right?
[18:07] <superfly> cal_py: yes
[18:07] <theblazehen> @superfly at least they exist now. Before I started there were *no* backups. 
[18:07] <fusionsparc> Evening guys...who is the Python Guru in the group again?
[18:07] <superfly> cal_py: we actually had a meeting this morning with Simcom, they want to sell us a new module that's smaller and costs less. who are we to refuse?
[18:07] <theblazehen> I started working there when the dev was asking in ##linux for someone to get their system booting after a disk in the raid died
[18:08] <superfly> fusionsparc: I know a bit of Python
[18:08] <cal_py> true superfly if not why now an AT command is a AT command
[18:08] <superfly> cal_py: are you familiar with sierra wireless?
[18:09] <cal_py> no, i remember sierra game lol, who are they?
[18:09] <fusionsparc> Ok, what would your opinion be in the popularity of Python for ...Read that it's growing quickly.
[18:10] <cal_py> here's the dev dord I made for my system superfly https://twitter.com/cal_404/status/700743954409648128 sim900 thou, which is a great chip, just hard to solder if you dont have a pnp machine
[18:10] <cal_py> *board
[18:10] <superfly> cal_py: sierra wireless makes SoC's arm + gsm
[18:11] <cal_py> in one package?
[18:11] <superfly> cal_py: yes. but they suck.
[18:11] <cal_py> why?
[18:11] <superfly> fusionsparc: for what?
[18:12] <superfly> cal_py: all sorts of reasons. our first generation hardware (what you mostly see in the video) runs on sierra wireless + other stuff. such pain to develop.
[18:13] <cal_py> ok cool, I've never looked at a soultion like that, I like to have complete control over the comm's which was hard as hell to learn...for me 
[18:13] <superfly> cal_py: keep it that way
[18:13] <cal_py> looking at their wesite now superfly 
[18:13] <fusionsparc> Sorry, stopped in mid sentence...Read an article that Python is growing fast in popularity, so looking into learning it.
[18:13] <fusionsparc> Would that be an investment?
[18:13] <superfly> fusionsparc: yes
[18:14] <superfly> fusionsparc: yes yes yes and yes.
[18:14] <fusionsparc> hehe...then thats it....Python it is.
[18:15] <cal_py> superfly, yeah, but at the moment I'm working with the arduino which is great but I'm getting to the point where I want to drop microcontrollers, 
[18:15] <superfly> cal_py: by the way, you should read this: http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html
[18:15] <superfly> cal_py: then grab this: http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html
[18:15] <superfly> then take a gander here: http://vimawesome.com/
[18:16] <superfly> that reminds me, I need to install the latest version of hack
[18:16] <cal_py> superfly: hahaha thanks, it's hard to convert LOL
[18:16] <cal_py> superfly: hack?
[18:16] <superfly> open source font for code editing
[18:17] <cal_py> oah cool!
[18:17] <theblazehen> Hi Na3iL
[18:17] <cal_py> hi Na3iL 
[18:17] <superfly> hey Na3iL
[18:17] <fusionsparc> Tnx superfly..
[18:17] <superfly> fusionsparc: any other questions? what are you looking to do with it?
[18:18] <superfly> cal_py: I don't know if it's in the Ubuntu repositories yet, but it's in Debian as "fonts-hack-ttf"
[18:18] <fusionsparc> Well just learn the language 1st....seems allot easier that Javascript..
[18:18] <superfly> cal_py: otherwise you can download it from here: http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/
[18:19] <superfly> fusionsparc: I find the best thing to do is find something to build with it. a project always makes learning a language easier.
[18:19] <superfly> fusionsparc: also you want to read http://python.swaroopch.com/
[18:20] <superfly> cal_py: you too ^^
[18:20] <fusionsparc> true, i'll keep that in mind..Github is probably a good place to start..
[18:20] <superfly> fusionsparc: make it simpler, do your own thing first, then join a project.
[18:20] <superfly> fusionsparc: there's always the classic To Do list
[18:20] <cal_py> superfly: AByte of Python is open on my desktop as we speak, just waiting for my ACDC album to finish downloading and I'm off to programming land LOL
[18:21] <superfly> I need to get working on one of my pet projects
[18:21] <cal_py> superfly: which is?
[18:21] <superfly> a verification platform for a game I play
[18:21] <cal_py> hack is a nice font!
[18:22] <cal_py> what do you mean by verification platform?
[18:22] <fusionsparc> Make sense, will go through the docs thanks.
[18:22] <cal_py> fusionsparc, may the force be with you!!!!!!!!!
[18:23] <fusionsparc> I know there's allot of tutorials with learning python on a Raspberry Pi..
[18:23] <fusionsparc> Hai, sensei... :-P
[18:24] <cal_py> fusionsparc, I'm probably at the same level as you :P, the master is superfly 
[18:25] <fusionsparc> indeed..
[18:25] <cal_py> fusionsparc, we should stay in touch to keep eachother going with python
[18:26] <superfly> cal_py: we have social groups and because there are two teams, we don't want the enemy team invading our chats, so we verify people before we let them join
[18:26] <superfly> so the verification platform allows them to log in to a mobile-friendly site with their Google account, and we can vet them before adding them to the groups.
[18:26] <fusionsparc> Good idea, cal_py how proficient are you with Python atm?
[18:27] <cal_py> oah cool so youll make a script that can kick an enemy if spoted?
[18:27] <superfly> cal_py: no, just a glorified database
[18:27] <cal_py> fusionsparc, I know the basics, not off by heart thou, havent really touched GUI's or OOP thats where I want to be! and you?
[18:27] <cal_py> ok cool superfly 
[18:30] <fusionsparc> cal_py, page1 line 1....lol
[18:31] <cal_py> lets do this!
[18:31] <cal_py> Python is lovely thou, 
[18:32] <fusionsparc> agreed....working on any personal projects?
[18:32] <cal_py> yeah too many infact and you?
[18:34] <fusionsparc> None yet, i'll 1st go through the basic code to start off and then move from there..
[18:35] <cal_py> excellent! 
[18:35] <cal_py> how eager are you and what pace do you read?
[18:36] <fusionsparc> I only realy have tim Mon, wed and fri....so when I get the time I guess..
[18:36] <fusionsparc> Eager enough..
[18:37] <fusionsparc> not sure on the pace....probably 2 hours gap at a session.
[18:37] <cal_py> sounds good, we should make like a weekly goal and work on some small projects together once we've mastered the basics, what do you think?
[18:37] <Kilos> oh guys if you are interested, we have a study channel #linux-studies
[18:38] <Kilos> also my channel ##kilos can be used
[18:39] <Kilos> inetpro will complain if he has to scroll back for 2 hours to find whats been happening
[18:39] <fusionsparc> I'm up for it...
[18:39] <fusionsparc> hehe...noted..
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> at least this time he cant tell me im to blame
[18:40] <Kilos> you are welcome to chat here just when you get into study mode use one of those channels
[18:40] <fusionsparc> ok
[18:40] <Kilos> you will see the fly is there for serious probs
[18:42] <Kilos> fusionsparc you in pretoria?
[18:42] <fusionsparc> yes..
[18:42] <Kilos> yay soon your workload will grow
[18:43] <Kilos> dont miss our meeting on the 23rd
[18:43] <cal_py> shall do Kilos, 
[18:44] <fusionsparc> interesting...
[18:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz ping inetpro 
[18:55] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> ja the twit is hiding
[18:55] <fusionsparc> night Kilos
[20:31] <fusionsparc> Night Guys..
[21:26] <cal_py> night all!
[21:58] <squish102> !time
[21:58] <squish102> maaz time
[21:58] <Maaz> squish102: time is in the past by the time you are reading this