[02:31] <bluesabre> late evening all
[02:40] <branau> Howdy bluesabre
[02:43] <bluesabre> heya branau
[02:44] <branau> How goes it?
[02:45] <bluesabre> exhausted
[02:45] <bluesabre> went hiking for first half of day, then shopping for the other half
[02:45] <bluesabre> Fitbit says I have 17.3 thousand steps today
[02:45] <bluesabre> :'(
[02:46] <branau> Well I'd say you had a productive day!
[02:46] <bluesabre> loooooooooong
[02:46] <bluesabre> but good :D
[02:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nice on the first bit!
[02:47] <branau> Where'd ya go hiking at?
[02:48] <bluesabre> http://bernheim.org/
[02:51] <branau> Oh hey, I used to live in Louisville
[02:51] <bluesabre> cool
[06:47] <branau> Hey knome, you online?
[06:55] <pleia2> usually not this time of day, he's in finland :)
[06:56] <pleia2> best to catch him early in the day, he sleeps during our evenings/nights
[06:56] <branau> pleia2 isn't it kinda late for you too?
[06:56] <branau> I'm looking at 1am here haha
[06:57] <pleia2> 11pm here
[06:58] <branau> Oh that's not too bad. Any chance you've got a good email to reach knome at? I was going to head to bed for the night but I wanted to give him a head's up on the status of the wallpaper contest site
[07:01] <pleia2> he posts to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, you can grab his address there :)
[07:01] <pleia2> I also recommend subscribing to it yourself if you haven't
[07:01] <Unit193> Yeah but he's an odd Finnish.
[07:01] <pleia2> not very high traffic, lots of useful posts
[07:01] <branau> Cool, thanks. I'll subscribe to it
[07:01] <branau> Unit193 I know how the Finns are, I lived in Finland for a year
[07:02] <branau> Not far from Helsinki actually
[07:02] <branau> I went there every weekend haha
[07:02] <Unit193> So, TN and Finland, ok.
[07:02] <branau> TN?
[07:03] <Unit193> Erm, KY, close! :P
[07:05] <branau> Haha yeah
[07:05] <branau> I'm 21 y/o and I've moved ~~25 times
[07:05] <branau> Life's an adventure
[07:12] <Unit193> Wow.
[07:12] <Unit193> Ohio? ;)
[07:15] <branau> Nope haha never lived there. I was born in CA, and lived in OR, ID, NV, KY, and IN for the USA. Internationally I've lived in Finland, and currently live in Mexico
[07:15]  * Unit193 → ot
[10:55] <dkessel> bluesabre: font feedback: i changed noto to size 10. otherwise it was too small. but i am running a fairly high resolution for the screen size, so hey... i guess 9 should be fine for most other people
[10:56] <dkessel> other than that, i noticed nothing which would be against noto
[15:28] <bluesabre> thanks dkessel
[15:29] <bluesabre> knome: so far good or acceptable feedback
[17:25] <branau> knome, you around?
[18:04] <flocculant> !team | just in case any of you don't know (I didn't) or someone asks - seems that when booting images now - no warning about disk size (as long as it's big enough) nor internet availability
[18:08] <pleia2> knome: re: thread about storing the MD5SUMs on our website, it may be it's time for that http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
[18:08] <pleia2> could happen with any of our mirrors, obviously
[18:09] <pleia2> so it may be time for us to store a canonical series of hashes somewhere trusted over https
[18:15] <flocculant> I saw that too 
[18:32] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm not an expert, but I've seen that even with https, the problem would be the same
[18:32] <Nairwolf> I've heard that md5 isn't a good solution if you want to avoid collision
[18:33] <pleia2> the chances of collision are not within the realm of seriousness
[18:33] <pleia2> so I'm not ready to give up on hashes
[18:34] <pleia2> and no, the problem is not at all the same
[18:34] <Nairwolf> But, unless I'm wrong, if a bad guy wants to corrupt xunbut isos, he will have to being able to create a corrupted iso (but which still works in order to be installed) WITH the same md5. It's almost impossible
[18:34] <Nairwolf> I agree with you pleia2
[18:34] <Nairwolf> about https, I don't really know
[18:34] <pleia2> well, https just means you are trusting the source :)
[18:35] <Nairwolf> sorry, in fact, my participation isn't really usefull ;)
[18:35] <pleia2> if someone hacks your website you're in trouble either way, since you'd be trusting a bad thing
[18:35] <Nairwolf> oh, yes, I've just checked, there is not https at xubuntu.org
[18:35] <pleia2> you can use https on xubuntu.org, but we don't make it default
[18:35] <Nairwolf> ok, I understand
[18:36] <Nairwolf> are you sure ? I have the https-everywhere extension
[18:36] <Nairwolf> if it's https, it should be actived
[18:36] <pleia2> yes, we've had this discussion a few times
[18:36] <pleia2> it is activated, we just don't send people there by default
[18:36] <Nairwolf> why ? 
[18:37] <pleia2> it's new, site is faster without it, didn't find immediate value
[18:37] <Nairwolf> My Firefox tells me he blocked some non-secure element
[18:37] <Nairwolf> But, I don't which ones
[18:37] <Nairwolf> faster, really ? How much ? 
[18:37] <pleia2> that too, links to some http resources, you can look in the page source to find them
[18:37] <knome> pleia2, tbh, canonical should just do that in cdimage or wherever they want to push their SUMS
[18:38] <knome> pleia2, seems silly to duplicate effort for all flavors individually
[18:38] <pleia2> Nairwolf: the same as any http to https speed difference, I'm not being innovative over here :
[18:38] <pleia2> :)
[18:38] <pleia2> knome: probably
[18:39] <pleia2> knome: and maybe we link to their list that lives over https?
[18:39] <Nairwolf> yes, but I've read the difference isn't so much high
[18:39] <pleia2> we don't need to do it ourselves
[18:39] <knome> pleia2, exactly.
[18:39] <pleia2> knome: wfm
[18:39] <knome> pleia2, since they essentially create the ISOs...
[18:39] <pleia2> yep
[18:39] <knome> ...they should be the source for the sums too
[18:40] <pleia2> yeah, they are really, we'd just be copying from them
[18:40] <knome> because a xubuntu website admin can be evil too, and people with tin foil hats don't like that possibility
[18:40] <pleia2> hah
[18:41] <pleia2> we only have as much protection as the security record of wordpress :)
[18:41] <knome> which is... well, not too bad, but..
[18:42] <knome> but as i said, when building ISOs, the canonical build servers should push the sums to a central place that is easy to link to
[18:42] <pleia2> yeah
[18:42] <knome> it doesn't take any space, they are already doing the sums too
[18:42] <pleia2> that would be optimal for us
[18:42] <knome> and for all other flavors
[18:42] <pleia2> plus, we wouldn't have to update the link all the time
[18:42] <knome> or in other words, the world peace
[18:42] <pleia2> hehe
[18:43] <knome> yes, it could be a release specific link
[18:43] <knome> tbh, just pushing the current *SUMS files in the same directory structure even in a HTTPS host would be god enough
[18:43] <knome> err, good
[18:43] <pleia2> yep
[18:44] <knome> how do we want to escalate?
[18:44] <pleia2> wondering if we should just poke our -release friends first to see what they think
[18:44] <knome> IS ticket, or talking to release team, or community team?
[18:46] <knome> tomorrow is more likely to work for -release poking
[18:46]  * pleia2 nods
[18:46] <knome> Unit193, is the core issues still stalling?
[18:46] <knome> -s
[18:46] <pleia2> there's no rush really, the mint thing just kind of hit home :)
[18:46] <pleia2> I have an airplane to get on soon
[18:47] <knome> yeah, no worries
[18:47] <knome> we were on a party essentially the whole day
[18:47] <pleia2> fun
[18:47] <knome> mm, not bad
[18:49] <branau> knome! How goes it?
[18:49] <knome> branau, not bad
[18:49] <branau> Have you seen the email I sent you?
[18:50] <knome> i got your email but haven't had a chance to react or look at the site yet
[18:50] <knome> (though please share the stuff publicly in the channel too if you don't specifically want to avoid that)
[18:50] <branau> Gotcha, well I'm going to go ahead and set up the voting now, the submissions and moderation of them are ready to go though
[18:50] <branau> Sounds good
[19:14] <Unit193> < knome> because a xubuntu website admin can be evil too <---  Yes, I certainly am.  But a good evil.
[19:16] <knome> :P
[19:16] <knome> like dexter?
[21:19] <flocculant> branau: so how goes it then? 
[21:29] <knome> branau, i looked at your code, and even logged in to your site via openid. a few comments:
[21:30] <knome> branau, you don't assign a default role to the new users automatically, so i'm unable to do the actions you have set for the custom "competitor" role you registered
[21:31] <knome> branau, partially related to the latter; please use the launchpad-openid extensions (i'll dig a link up for you in a second); this both removes the requirement to actually write your openid address when logging in (and at the same time, disables "normal" logging) but also allows you to set the role based on the team memberships the user has
[21:31] <knome> branau, the latter solves the problem of giving special permissions to people who should be allowed to do something else than just submit
[21:32] <knome> branau, here's the link: https://launchpad.net/wordpress-openid-integration
[21:33] <branau> knome yep, totally spaced the default role. That's a quick fix though. And I'll switch out that plugin too so I can test it. We're you able to log into the admin though and fix your role so that you could test the image submission?
[21:35] <knome> i didn't yet have time to set it up for myself
[21:36] <branau> knome I'll fix your role then rel fast so you can check that out 
[21:48] <knome> branau, if you enabled something on the demo site, then it didn't work
[21:49] <branau> knome I tried to set the defualt role to competitor and for some reason it didn't save, I'll have to debug when I'm on front of my computer again (currently I'm on my phone) but I'll check your role real quick 
[21:50] <knome> sure, as long as it works on the final site
[21:52] <branau> Knome you can test now
[21:52] <branau> Your role has been fixed
[21:53] <knome> will do in a bit
[23:23] <knome> branau_, we don't have any license/attribution input fields, how have you planned to do those?
[23:23] <knome> branau_, also, is this restricted to one submission per user?
[23:25] <branau_> knome the license was an oversight, I can add it in, shouldn't be a problem. This is currently restricted to one upload per user, but I'll double check it 
[23:25] <branau_> What other attribute fields would we want?
[23:26] <knome> we want "attribution" eg. the name the user wants to be attributed with if they win
[23:27] <knome> the license, which should really be a two-step process
[23:27] <knome> or with two options:
[23:27] <knome> 1) cc-by-sa
[23:27] <knome> 2) other, specify: ____
[23:27] <knome> and each user should be able to submit as many images as they want
[23:28] <knome> or at least >1