[06:28] <dlPhreak> Morning
[06:29] <dlPhreak> Anybody tried kernel 4.5 yet?
[06:41] <qwebirc53644> Hi
[06:41] <theblazehen> hi qwebirc53644
[06:44] <Iqbal> I need assistance please. I had an upgrade to 15.10 and it crashed my laptop.
[06:59] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:01] <cal_py> morning Kilos happy monday!
[07:01] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac inetpro superfly thatgraemeguy and everyone else
[07:01] <Kilos> hi cal_py 
[07:01] <cal_py> coffee time
[07:01] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[07:01]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:02] <Kilos> cal_py have some cyber coffee too
[07:02] <cal_py> hahahahahaha!
[07:03] <Kilos> just type in maaz coffee please
[07:03] <cal_py> Maaz coffee please
[07:03] <Maaz> cal_py: Okay
[07:04] <Kilos> inetpro coffee time
[07:04] <Kilos> Maaz coffee time
[07:04] <Maaz> It is always coffee time!
[07:04] <Kilos> Maaz with milk
[07:04] <Maaz> Haha Kilos You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow!
[07:04] <Kilos> Maaz and cremora
[07:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[07:05] <Kilos> oh my
[07:05] <Kilos> Maaz with cremora
[07:05] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[07:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and cal_py!
[07:06] <Kilos> Maaz dankie man
[07:06] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[07:06] <cal_py> Maaz thanks!
[07:06] <Maaz> cal_py: No problem
[07:16] <zipper> Kilos: Good morning.
[07:20] <Kilos> hi zipper 
[07:21] <zipper> Kilos: At work bro. Talk l8r.
[07:21] <zipper> Peace
[07:27] <superfly> hi Kilos, cal_py, zipper
[07:27] <theblazehen> hi Kilos superfly zipper
[07:28] <superfly> hey theblazehen!
[07:28] <cal_py> hey superfly 
[07:28] <cal_py> how are you
[07:33] <superfly> tired, but OK thanks.
[07:34] <cal_py> good good, good weekend?
[07:42] <superfly> reinstalled a server
[07:42] <superfly> still busy getting things back up
[07:43] <cal_py> cool!
[07:43] <cal_py> question time is dango a good idea?\
[07:43] <cal_py> to use instead of PHP
[07:52] <superfly> You can't compare Django and PHP. Django is a web framework and PHP is a language.
[07:52] <superfly> Python is better than PHP, yes.
[07:52] <superfly> But Flask is a better framework than Django
[07:58] <cal_py> so where do you suggest I start if I wanted to build a web app today?
[07:58] <Kilos> at the basics
[07:59] <TinuvaMac> yeah probably 1st decide your language of choice
[07:59] <Kilos> python
[07:59] <TinuvaMac> php can be hosted on any shared webhosting service
[07:59] <cal_py> I mean like a tutorial on web apps with python guys...
[07:59] <TinuvaMac> but python is far better than php in almost any instsance
[07:59] <TinuvaMac> and flask is pretty cool
[08:00] <TinuvaMac> though if I had to use php, the Slim framework is what I would use on the backend
[08:01] <TinuvaMac> but thats just the backend, you also need a frontend
[08:02] <TinuvaMac> on the frontend i would use angularjs
[08:05] <cal_py> cool, well I've build web apps before with php and bootstrap and they've worked out fine, but I really want to use a python back end now, so any one know any good tutorial on getting started with flask? I want to jump into that as soon as I'm done with "A Byte of Python"
[08:05] <cal_py> *built
[08:05] <cal_py> hand are too fast today
[08:05] <TinuvaMac> try
[08:05] <TinuvaMac> https://realpython.com/blog/python/flask-by-example-part-1-project-setup/
[08:06] <TinuvaMac> sqlalchemy is pretty awesome too connecting to relational dbs
[08:07] <cal_py> this look s way more advanced than PHP
[08:09] <cal_py> real python looks like a awesome site
[08:12] <TinuvaMac> php aint bad, but then you learn python and ask yourself, why havent you started with it sooner :P
[08:13] <cal_py> lol!
[08:25] <Kilos> you can also learn bzr
[08:26] <cal_py> whats that Kilos 
[08:26] <Kilos> and building static websites like http://ubuntu-africa.info
[08:26] <Kilos> bazaar i think
[08:27] <cal_py> ok cool!
[08:27] <Kilos> bzr was used with nikola to build that site
[08:27] <Kilos> but dont get slack with python
[08:27] <Kilos> make that your priority
[08:28] <cal_py> yeaj i have :)
[11:43] <Kilos> theblazehen the ssd and dvd use different connectors dvd uses a mpcie i think or mome other name so one has to get a caddy
[11:44] <theblazehen> Hmm, okay. That sucks Kilos
[11:45] <Kilos> found one at supplier at ebay for R100 but ebay dont ship to here
[11:45] <Kilos> sigh
[11:45] <Kilos> local they near R1500
[11:45] <theblazehen> Ouch
[11:46] <Kilos> one could buy a batch of them and sell locally for 4 or 500 even
[11:57] <thatgraemeguy> what are you shopping for?
[12:50] <Kilos> thatgraemeguy a caddy for a thinkpad to put a ssd in place of the dvd
[12:51] <Kilos> sorry was just fetching a runaway ran from a couple ks away
[12:51] <Kilos> ram
[12:51] <Kilos> now even my toes are sweating
[12:52] <Kilos> 35c is too hot to run after a sheep
[12:53] <thatgraemeguy> what model thinkpad
[12:53] <Kilos> T410.i
[12:54] <Kilos> here is the ebay link
[12:54] <Kilos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrabay-Slim-SATA-2nd-Hdd-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T410s-T510-/330503437162?pt=UK_Computing_HardDrives_RL&hash=item4cf38a3b6a&autorefresh=true
[12:55] <thatgraemeguy> that says t410s?
[12:55] <Kilos> i didnt even notuce that i saw 410's
[12:56] <Kilos> notice
[12:56] <Kilos> it looks the same as what i need
[12:57] <Kilos> connector left corner and drive  in centre
[12:57] <thatgraemeguy> doesn't look like there is such a thing as a "T410i"
[12:57] <Kilos> ai!
[12:58] <thatgraemeguy> http://www.amazon.com/Thinkpad-Ultrabay-original-Newmodeus-carrying/dp/B009OLJD0Y
[12:58] <Kilos> http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t410i
[12:58] <Kilos> lemme look
[12:58] <thatgraemeguy> ew
[12:58] <thatgraemeguy> ok i dunno then sorry :-/
[12:59] <thatgraemeguy> ok i dunno then sorry :-/
[12:59] <Kilos> ya that looks the same
[12:59] <Kilos> but much more expenzive
[12:59] <Kilos> whew
[13:01] <thatgraemeguy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-HDD-SSD-Hard-Drive-Caddy-for-IBM-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T410si-T410i-T420s-T420si-/111438928374?hash=item19f24719f6:g:GQgAAOSwfcVULQX2
[13:02] <thatgraemeguy> I think you'll find "much more expensive" is the difference between a lenovo-branded item and a chinese knock-off
[13:02] <thatgraemeguy> at a guess anyway
[13:03] <Kilos> most likely yes the actual lenovo one here is R1475 or something
[13:03] <Kilos> ty for the help
[13:03] <Kilos> strange that link i had says they dont ship to za
[13:04] <thatgraemeguy> not strange, ebay is a marketplace like gumtree, its up to the seller to decide who they are willing to ship to
[13:04] <Kilos> i can keep using the standard drive till i get to aus and then get one there fopefully
[13:05] <Kilos> but this ssd is very lekker
[13:05] <Kilos> oh
[13:05] <Kilos> its the actual salesguy that dont ship
[13:05] <Kilos> here i thought it was ebay
[13:05] <Kilos> ty for the help
[13:06] <Kilos> need to sleep a while, head thumping
[16:00] <chesedo> evening all
[16:01] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[16:01] <Kilos> how is your butt?
[16:01] <chesedo> huh, my butt?
[16:02] <Kilos> you in the hot seat again tomorrow night
[16:02] <chesedo> round with two cushions :P
[16:02] <Kilos> lol
[16:02]  * chesedo thought that was next week
[16:02] <Kilos> 23rd
[16:03] <Kilos> especially all the pta peeps must try attend
[16:03] <Kilos> theblazehen you in pta hey
[16:05] <chesedo> wow, that "Ubuntu for Hope" seems great!!!
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah
[16:05] <chesedo> yeah how all pta peeps will add their voice...
[16:05] <Kilos> karl will be happy if some pta peeps can help
[16:05]  * chesedo goes to dinner wbb
[16:06] <Kilos> this could grow from here to all za
[16:06] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:48] <chesedo> it would be great if it could
[16:51] <Kilos> i think it will there is already a group in durbs doing up pcs for other countried in africa
[16:51] <Kilos> i forget their nsme
[16:51] <Kilos> name
[16:52] <Kilos> the dbnlug guys should know
[17:02] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah
[17:15] <Iqbal> Apologies for my absence
[17:15] <Iqbal> I was out of town
[17:16] <Iqbal> To kilos and others who were assisting me last week
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Iqbal 
[17:22] <Kilos> theblazehen try attend tomorrow nights meeting, you  met karl i think
[17:26] <Kilos> qwebirc52414 did you have any success
[17:26] <Kilos> i forget what you were doing
[17:36] <theblazehen> Kilos: Alright, I should be able to attend
[17:36] <Kilos> yay
[17:36] <chesedo> oh hi theblazehen, how are you?
[17:39] <theblazehen> hi chesedo. Fine and you?
[17:39] <chesedo> great ty
[17:53] <superfly> hi chesedo
[17:58] <chesedo> hi superfly
[17:59] <Kilos> im gonna crash early peeps
[17:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:09] <magespawn> good evening
[20:36] <magespawn> what is preferred or best location for installing programs from tar.gz archives?
[21:55] <magespawn> good night