[00:24] <cjbayliss> G'day folks! I'm trying to test the 64bit iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ and the installer won't start, so I try and report the bug and it is supposedly already reported. However I cannot veiw the bug, could someone confirm that this bug is actually reported? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1547518
[00:24] <knome> it's reported, but set as private
[00:25] <cjbayliss> ok, cool. Thanks. :)
[00:25] <Unit193> Couldn't remember when dead link and private.  Private should likely say something about being private...
[00:29] <knome> set the bug as public since it had 2 public duplicates..
[00:30] <cjbayliss> Cool. :)
[01:31] <cjbayliss> Right, a yukky patch has been supplied on that bug.
[01:32] <cjbayliss> Actually, it is never yukky to put things in try: except: but there is possibly something else that needs fixing, and I sick in bed and can't be bothered looking into it.
[12:14] <bluesabre> morning all
[12:14] <bluesabre> didn't get to be home at all yesterday, so nothing accomplished
[12:15] <bluesabre> Today is Beta 1 Freeze, Thursday is Beta 1
[12:15] <bluesabre> I might have a chance to get some uploads in tonight, we'll see
[12:16] <knome> huzzah
[12:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: if someone from -release joins the party there will be :p
[12:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: also - I could try and get it started tomorrow anyway - if that helps you :)
[14:36] <knome> le sigh
[19:09] <knome> wb ochosi 
[19:09] <ochosi> hmm crap. remote login crapped out again
[19:09] <ochosi> how much did i miss?
[19:10] <ochosi> (was away over the weekend at cottage with sauna)
[19:10] <knome> some
[19:10] <ochosi> guess i should really move to some other remote login
[19:10] <knome> like pleia2's? :P
[19:10] <ochosi> yeah like one that doesn't randomely reboot every month
[19:14] <knome> :)
[19:14] <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
[19:15] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[20:20] <flocculant> beta 1 building
[20:34] <knome> branau, any progress on the wallpaper contest site?
[20:34] <knome> branau, i've set up something on my own today, but if your code works better, we can use that too
[20:44] <branau> Hey knome, just saw this
[20:44] <knome> np
[20:44] <branau> I haven't had a chance to work on it today, but I will tonight when I'm off work
[20:45] <knome> i'm sure some of the work i've done is useful even with your code
[20:45] <branau> I get off here in about 3 hours and then I'll be free all evening
[20:45] <branau> did you push your code to the git repo in launchpad?
[20:45] <knome> no, it's not derived from your code anyway
[20:46] <branau> Ah, you started from scratch?
[20:46] <knome> yeah, first i was working on the UI, then i quickly added some functionality
[20:48] <branau> Gotcha, yeah I didn't make any changes to the theme at all so far, do you want to add your code as like a separate branch or something so I can pull it down and work on merging it? Or do you want me to just send you the code for my plugin?
[20:48] <knome> if you are free in 3 hours, ping me again then
[20:48] <knome> let's see how we want to merge these, or how to proceed
[20:50] <branau> Sounds good. I'd check it out now but I'm on the clock and I'm not sure my bosses would approve of paying me for working on other projects haha
[20:50] <knome> np
[21:02] <branau> I've gotta get into freelance work so I don't have to worry about it :P
[21:18] <knome> branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/wallpaper-submissions.tar.gz
[21:18] <knome> branau, feel free to test and try to rip it off...
[21:18] <knome> branau, here *all* users should be able to upload, and all administrators vote
[21:19] <knome> branau, vote counting is done automatically, and the submit form prompts for license and attribution
[21:19] <branau> Knome, so are the users not going to be able to vote? just admins?
[21:24] <branau> knome, I've also developed a like/dislike plugin that I was going to modify to use here, but if you've already built something specifically for this then we can go with that
[21:25] <Nairwolf> Hi guys, I would like to ask you, in order to test new builds, is it necessary to download and install xub each time, or can I just update my packages ? 
[21:25] <Nairwolf> on my test computer, I have Xubuntu with a build from few days
[21:25] <flocculant> Nairwolf: you need to grab image - as the tests are about *that* iso 
[21:26] <flocculant> so once you have the iso - you can update that with zsync - it just grabs the difference
[21:26] <flocculant> hence people using virtual machines to do a lot of testing
[21:27] <Nairwolf> I'm not using a virtual machines. Could you explain me what is zsync, and how much is different to do "sudo apt update && apt dist-upgrade" ? 
[21:28] <flocculant> apt update just updates your repositories - then upgrade (either) upgrades packages *you* have where needed
[21:28] <flocculant> zsync checks the iso against the current one - then grabs the differences - so no need to download 1Gb again - could be just 5% 
[21:29] <flocculant> if you read the testcases against what we are testing you will see that it is about using *todays* iso 
[21:30] <flocculant> your updated/graded xubuntu - might be completely different to the iso - and if you installed when we still had gmusicbrowser it will be
[21:30] <Nairwolf> Yes, I've read your emails, that's why I was asking for that
[21:30] <flocculant> :)
[21:31] <flocculant> Nairwolf: often we will want people to test specific apps - catfish say - then you can do that with what you have
[21:32] <Nairwolf> okay, but today you ask speficaly for the new iso, right ? 
[21:33] <flocculant> yep
[21:33] <Nairwolf> Sorry again, but I don't understand what will be different from the iso from last week ? 
[21:33] <flocculant> Nairwolf: however I just sent another mail to the list - there is a nasty bug on hardware with batteries - the installer crashes - there will be rebuilds
[21:34] <Nairwolf> I have a computer with batterie, so I think I will test that tomorrow after my examen
[21:35] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I zsynced my image yesterday morning - this evening I did the same, zsync had to download some to make it current
[21:37] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15174375/
[21:38] <Nairwolf> yes, but what is different if packages updated isn't enough ? 
[21:38] <ochosi> flocculant: gotta head to bed, but not before saying thanks for taking on the community part of the xenial b1 release!
[21:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ^^ zsync checked the 32bit image that I have locally against the new one, found I had 86.4% so only got 15.6% to make it right
[21:38] <flocculant> ochosi: welcome :)
[21:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: because there is no guarantee that anyone's machine is what we need testing
[21:38] <Nairwolf> anyway, where can I find a tutorial to update my iso with zsync ? I've turned on my computer
[21:39] <Nairwolf> yes, I believe you ;)
[21:39] <flocculant> Nairwolf: here :)
[21:40] <Nairwolf> here ? 
[21:40] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ok so I can't point you art the wiki - it's down
[21:41] <flocculant> so what are you wanting to zsync - 32 or 64bit? 
[21:41] <flocculant> and I will talk you through it :)
[21:42] <Nairwolf> 64 bits
[21:43] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases
[21:43] <flocculant> there you can see the Link to download information - click that and you get all the info for this milestone on 64bit
[21:44] <Nairwolf> Xenial Beta 1 ? 
[21:44] <flocculant> now - using file manager - open a terminal where your existing iso is located - for me that's /Images/Xenial/ 
[21:45] <flocculant> Nairwolf: yep - that's what we are testing till Thursday 
[21:45] <Nairwolf> oh, but I've removed my iso ! 
[21:45] <Nairwolf> and even with rzync, I still need to install it on my test-computer, right ? 
[21:46] <flocculant> ok - so zsync won't work as expected - what it WILL do is tell you it has none and is going to grab the whole iso
[21:46] <Nairwolf> ok, so, it's better to download directly xubuntu beta 1
[21:46] <flocculant> Nairwolf: it makes no difference - if you do it the zsync way now - you'll know how to do it thereafter
[21:47] <Nairwolf> ok, so I'm going to learn now
[21:47] <flocculant> so open a terminal where you want the iso to be 
[21:47] <Nairwolf> yes
[21:48] <flocculant> then from the download page http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/downloads
[21:48] <flocculant> copy and paste the zsync line into the terminal and press enter
[21:49] <Nairwolf> ok, it's easy ;)
[21:49] <flocculant> yep - it should have warned you it had to get the whole thing :)
[21:49] <Nairwolf> indeed
[21:49] <flocculant> do it tomorrow - and it will check the iso and then just get what's different :)
[21:49] <Nairwolf> what is rsync flocculant ? 
[21:50] <flocculant> just a different way of achieving the same result 
[21:50] <flocculant> afaik anyway :)
[21:51] <Nairwolf> ok
[21:51] <flocculant> http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper/ch02s07.html
[21:52] <flocculant> apart from anything - if I am typing it manually it's easier to type zsync than rsync -tzhhP
[21:53] <knome> branau, we likely want to allow only a small group of people to vote; that said, this is based on the user role, so it's easy to modify that to anything else
[21:54] <Nairwolf> yes, you right flocculant
[21:54] <knome> branau, one thing that is NOT done in that version is nonces for the ajax requests for boting, but that should be trivial enough
[21:54] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I do this more or less every day, so I don't actually type anything other than my alias 'image' which zsyncs the 32 and 64bit iso's and then removes the old file when it's done
[21:54] <Nairwolf> just another thing, each time I would like to test a new iso, I will need to do that ? Update the iso with zsync, and install it on my computer ? 
[21:55] <flocculant> Nairwolf: yes
[21:55] <Nairwolf> okay, and which tool do you use to build the iso in a usb key ? 
[21:55] <branau> knome sounds good, I can grab the missing pieces from the plugin I wrote
[21:55] <flocculant> Nairwolf: but - if you're doing this often - virtual machines are a useful tool - *most* of the tests I do - I do in a virtual machine
[21:56] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I use the gnome disks tool 
[21:56] <Nairwolf> okay, I don't know this tool
[21:56] <flocculant> gnome-disk-utility
[21:57] <flocculant> it does a bunch of things - one of which is restore an image - so I 'restore' the iso to the usb stick
[21:57] <Nairwolf> why do you prefer it to unetbootin for example  ?
[21:58] <flocculant> there have been problems with loads of the tools - unetbootin was causing problems - I stopped using it a year or so back
[21:59] <knome> branau, basically, https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/check_ajax_referer
[21:59] <knome> but that really is more or less trivial
[21:59] <Nairwolf> yes, I've heard that badly
[22:00] <Nairwolf> I've checked on my computer, gnome-disk-utility is inside gnome-disks, right ? 
[22:00] <Nairwolf> because I can't launch "gnome-disk-utility" but I can launch gnome-disks
[22:00] <flocculant> yep
[22:00] <branau> knome yep, I'm familiar with the process. Pretty simple
[22:01] <flocculant> Nairwolf: in the menu as Disks
[22:01] <Nairwolf> yes
[22:03] <Nairwolf> Oh, I've been confused. 'restore' mean create a usb key bootable
[22:03] <Nairwolf> restore means : writing into the usb key
[22:06] <flocculant> yea 
[22:06] <flocculant> make sure you've picked the right drive in the left panel
[22:07] <knome> branau, i just landed that fix on my test server plugin (not in the tarball)
[22:07] <knome> i should get that up in a repository today
[22:07] <Nairwolf> flocculant, I think I'm doing the right thing ;)
[22:08] <flocculant> if you aren't you'll wish you had 
[22:08] <Nairwolf> ok, I'm testing the usb key in the second computer ;)
[22:08] <flocculant> \o/
[22:08] <branau> knome cool, you want to shoot me an updated tarball then?
[22:08] <Nairwolf> no... it's not bootable...
[22:09] <Nairwolf> Am I missing something wrong ? 
[22:09] <flocculant> Nairwolf: no idea tbh - works for me :)
[22:09] <knome> branau, in some time, i need to do other things meanwhile
[22:09] <flocculant> Nairwolf: if you normally use something else - use that :)
[22:09] <knome> (and i just broke something in php too)
[22:10] <branau> knome no worries, I've still got another hour or so of work before I can clock out
[22:10] <flocculant> well I gtg now - night all :)
[22:10] <branau> night flocculant!
[22:12] <Nairwolf> flocculant: that's what I'm doing
[22:12] <Nairwolf> I always forget, should I format in fat32, or in ext4 for the usb key ? 
[22:20] <Nairwolf> for this test : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results
[22:20] <Nairwolf> I need to choose the option "Try Xubutu without installing" ? 
[22:20] <Nairwolf> what is ubiquity ? 
[22:25] <Nairwolf> okay, I've just tried the live session, and blueman-applet has crashed
[22:25] <Nairwolf> If someone can help me to write a bug report, that would be great ;) 
[22:26] <knome> what kind of help do you need?
[22:26] <Nairwolf> knome: I wanted to follow this test ( http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results ) but I'm not sure to know what is ubiquity
[22:27] <knome> ubiquity is the installer
[22:27] <Nairwolf> and just after launched "xubuntu without installing", I have blueman-apple who has a crashed
[22:27] <knome> that is not ubiquity
[22:27] <knome> ubiquity is the part with the slideshow
[22:27] <Nairwolf> oh, it's what you see when you want to "install xubuntu", right ? 
[22:28] <knome> branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/xubuntu-wallpaper-contest.tar.gz
[22:28] <Nairwolf> ok, I see that ;)
[22:28] <knome> Nairwolf, i think in this case, where it reads "ubiquity" it should read "maybe-ubiquity"
[22:29] <branau> knome thanks, I'll plug it in and figure it out here in about an hour
[22:29] <knome> np
[22:29] <knome> branau, i believe this is "almost ready" as is; testing is totally welcome though
[22:29] <knome> branau, and things like prompting the user if they really want to delete their submission could be good
[22:29] <Nairwolf> knome: I've clicked on "try xubuntu without installing", and I've a crash of blueman, would I need to report it ? 
[22:30] <branau> knome cool, I'll check it out and tweak anything that doesn't seem right. I'll post any changes to Launchpad
[22:30] <knome> Nairwolf, well at least it isn't totally wrong, so if you have the time, please do
[22:30] <knome> branau, wfm (or you can just be in touch with me directly)
[22:31] <knome> i had something else in mind but the thought just vanished
[22:31] <Nairwolf> The title is "blueman-apple crashed with dbus.exception.DBusExcpetion in call_blocking():" can you give me some indication in order to report it correctly, please ? 
[22:31] <Nairwolf> Learn me to do it once, I would be able to do it next times ;)
[22:31] <knome> Nairwolf, in terminal, run "ubuntu-bug blueman-applet" (if that is the right package name)
[22:31] <knome> might be something else, but it will tell you
[22:31] <branau> knome wfm? I'm not familiar with the acronym
[22:32] <knome> branau, "works for me"
[22:32] <knome> branau, and now i remember it!
[22:32] <branau> Ah, I'll do both!
[22:32] <knome> branau, i have *only* essentially touched the plugin, so no need to do sql dumps and push the wp core
[22:33] <Nairwolf> knome: it launches apport (which was already opened in fact). 
[22:33] <knome> Nairwolf, right, then just proceed from there as it says
[22:33] <knome> hello Unit193 
[22:33] <branau> Oh ok, nice. That's convenient
[22:33] <Nairwolf> But I have an error message "the problem cannot be reported: the report belongs to a package that is not installed". Whaaat ? 
[22:33] <knome> mmh... from the command i gave you, or even before that?
[22:34] <Unit193> I didn't say words. >_>
[22:34] <Nairwolf> From the command you gave me
[22:34] <Nairwolf> In fact, I've already apport oppened
[22:34] <Nairwolf> with all instructions
[22:34] <knome> Nairwolf, then dismiss that and continue with the apport window you had open
[22:34] <knome> Unit193, so? you have been caught nonetheless.
[22:34] <krytarik> Nairwolf: Notice that it's already linked here though: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases
[22:34] <knome> krytarik, thanks ;)
[22:34] <krytarik> Sure.
[22:35] <knome> ok, other stuff for a while ->
[22:35] <Nairwolf> indeed, thank you krytark
[22:35] <Nairwolf> when I check the box "send an error report to help fix this problem" what's happen in reality ? 
[22:35] <Nairwolf> Is it linked to launchpad ? 
[22:36] <krytarik> Tries to report it to LP, yes.
[22:37] <Nairwolf> yes, apparently, it's this bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1533206
[22:39] <Nairwolf> can you tell me how I can get the traceback ? 
[22:39] <Nairwolf> in order to give it to launchpad, I don't know if it's useful or not
[22:42] <krytarik> Nairwolf: No need to report a bug multiple times.
[22:42] <Nairwolf> You're sure ? 
[22:42] <Nairwolf> even at iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? 
[22:42] <krytarik> You just link there.
[22:43] <Nairwolf> sorry, I don't understand your sentence
[22:43] <Nairwolf> it's already linked in fact
[22:44] <krytarik> When you report your test result, you just link the bug report to it.
[22:45] <krytarik> But no need to report the bug *itself* multiple times.
[22:45] <Nairwolf> ok, even if someone has already reported the same bug ? 
[22:45] <Nairwolf> oh, too late...
[22:45] <Nairwolf> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1303/results
[22:49] <Nairwolf> okay, I'm going to test "auto-resize" test
[23:03] <Nairwolf> thank you guys for helping me ;)
[23:04] <krytarik> Sure - thank you!
[23:05] <Nairwolf> I hope to become a good tester in few days ;)
[23:13] <knome> Nairwolf, just remember that testing isn't a competition in speed, usually quite the contrary
[23:16] <Nairwolf> Yes, you right, but if I'm able to do it regularly, and doing it well, that would be great ;)
[23:16] <Nairwolf> It's important to me to know how to report correctly a bug ;)
[23:17] <Nairwolf> I'm not really familiar with the bugtracker of launchpad
[23:17] <Nairwolf> except the ubiquity bug, the daily iso seems really stable, right ? 
[23:18] <krytarik> Nairwolf: http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html
[23:24] <Nairwolf> thank you ;)
[23:25] <Nairwolf> Later, I would be interested to help in development, but I'm far from helping
[23:26] <Nairwolf> I still need to improve my skills as a developer, and I need to know more xubuntu world (and xfce)
[23:26] <knome> the contributor documentation at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ should help with pretty much anything you need to "get started"
[23:27] <knome> (realistically speaking, it doesn't, but if you find stuff that is missing, we'll gladly work to get it included)
[23:27] <Nairwolf> useful document ;)
[23:27] <Nairwolf> ok ;)
[23:28] <Nairwolf>  that's enough testing for me tonight ;)