[00:24] G'day folks! I'm trying to test the 64bit iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ and the installer won't start, so I try and report the bug and it is supposedly already reported. However I cannot veiw the bug, could someone confirm that this bug is actually reported? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1547518 [00:24] Error: launchpad bug 1547518 not found [00:24] it's reported, but set as private [00:25] ok, cool. Thanks. :) [00:25] Couldn't remember when dead link and private. Private should likely say something about being private... [00:29] set the bug as public since it had 2 public duplicates.. [00:30] Cool. :) [01:31] Right, a yukky patch has been supplied on that bug. [01:32] Actually, it is never yukky to put things in try: except: but there is possibly something else that needs fixing, and I sick in bed and can't be bothered looking into it. [12:14] morning all [12:14] didn't get to be home at all yesterday, so nothing accomplished [12:15] Today is Beta 1 Freeze, Thursday is Beta 1 [12:15] I might have a chance to get some uploads in tonight, we'll see [12:16] huzzah [12:22] bluesabre: if someone from -release joins the party there will be :p [12:30] bluesabre: also - I could try and get it started tomorrow anyway - if that helps you :) [14:36] le sigh [19:09] wb ochosi [19:09] hmm crap. remote login crapped out again [19:09] how much did i miss? [19:10] (was away over the weekend at cottage with sauna) [19:10] some [19:10] guess i should really move to some other remote login [19:10] like pleia2's? :P [19:10] yeah like one that doesn't randomely reboot every month [19:14] :) [19:14] hi ochosi :) [19:15] hey flocculant [20:20] beta 1 building [20:34] branau, any progress on the wallpaper contest site? [20:34] branau, i've set up something on my own today, but if your code works better, we can use that too [20:44] Hey knome, just saw this [20:44] np [20:44] I haven't had a chance to work on it today, but I will tonight when I'm off work [20:45] i'm sure some of the work i've done is useful even with your code [20:45] I get off here in about 3 hours and then I'll be free all evening [20:45] did you push your code to the git repo in launchpad? [20:45] no, it's not derived from your code anyway [20:46] Ah, you started from scratch? [20:46] yeah, first i was working on the UI, then i quickly added some functionality [20:48] Gotcha, yeah I didn't make any changes to the theme at all so far, do you want to add your code as like a separate branch or something so I can pull it down and work on merging it? Or do you want me to just send you the code for my plugin? [20:48] if you are free in 3 hours, ping me again then [20:48] let's see how we want to merge these, or how to proceed [20:50] Sounds good. I'd check it out now but I'm on the clock and I'm not sure my bosses would approve of paying me for working on other projects haha [20:50] np [21:02] I've gotta get into freelance work so I don't have to worry about it :P [21:18] branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/wallpaper-submissions.tar.gz [21:18] branau, feel free to test and try to rip it off... [21:18] branau, here *all* users should be able to upload, and all administrators vote [21:19] branau, vote counting is done automatically, and the submit form prompts for license and attribution [21:19] Knome, so are the users not going to be able to vote? just admins? [21:24] knome, I've also developed a like/dislike plugin that I was going to modify to use here, but if you've already built something specifically for this then we can go with that [21:25] Hi guys, I would like to ask you, in order to test new builds, is it necessary to download and install xub each time, or can I just update my packages ? [21:25] on my test computer, I have Xubuntu with a build from few days [21:25] Nairwolf: you need to grab image - as the tests are about *that* iso [21:26] so once you have the iso - you can update that with zsync - it just grabs the difference [21:26] hence people using virtual machines to do a lot of testing [21:27] I'm not using a virtual machines. Could you explain me what is zsync, and how much is different to do "sudo apt update && apt dist-upgrade" ? [21:28] apt update just updates your repositories - then upgrade (either) upgrades packages *you* have where needed [21:28] zsync checks the iso against the current one - then grabs the differences - so no need to download 1Gb again - could be just 5% [21:29] if you read the testcases against what we are testing you will see that it is about using *todays* iso [21:30] your updated/graded xubuntu - might be completely different to the iso - and if you installed when we still had gmusicbrowser it will be [21:30] Yes, I've read your emails, that's why I was asking for that [21:30] :) [21:31] Nairwolf: often we will want people to test specific apps - catfish say - then you can do that with what you have [21:32] okay, but today you ask speficaly for the new iso, right ? [21:33] yep [21:33] Sorry again, but I don't understand what will be different from the iso from last week ? [21:33] Nairwolf: however I just sent another mail to the list - there is a nasty bug on hardware with batteries - the installer crashes - there will be rebuilds [21:34] I have a computer with batterie, so I think I will test that tomorrow after my examen [21:35] Nairwolf: I zsynced my image yesterday morning - this evening I did the same, zsync had to download some to make it current [21:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15174375/ [21:38] yes, but what is different if packages updated isn't enough ? [21:38] flocculant: gotta head to bed, but not before saying thanks for taking on the community part of the xenial b1 release! [21:38] Nairwolf: ^^ zsync checked the 32bit image that I have locally against the new one, found I had 86.4% so only got 15.6% to make it right [21:38] ochosi: welcome :) [21:38] Nairwolf: because there is no guarantee that anyone's machine is what we need testing [21:38] anyway, where can I find a tutorial to update my iso with zsync ? I've turned on my computer [21:39] yes, I believe you ;) [21:39] Nairwolf: here :) [21:40] here ? [21:40] Nairwolf: ok so I can't point you art the wiki - it's down [21:41] so what are you wanting to zsync - 32 or 64bit? [21:41] and I will talk you through it :) [21:42] 64 bits [21:43] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases [21:43] there you can see the Link to download information - click that and you get all the info for this milestone on 64bit [21:44] Xenial Beta 1 ? [21:44] now - using file manager - open a terminal where your existing iso is located - for me that's /Images/Xenial/ [21:45] Nairwolf: yep - that's what we are testing till Thursday [21:45] oh, but I've removed my iso ! [21:45] and even with rzync, I still need to install it on my test-computer, right ? [21:46] ok - so zsync won't work as expected - what it WILL do is tell you it has none and is going to grab the whole iso [21:46] ok, so, it's better to download directly xubuntu beta 1 [21:46] Nairwolf: it makes no difference - if you do it the zsync way now - you'll know how to do it thereafter [21:47] ok, so I'm going to learn now [21:47] so open a terminal where you want the iso to be [21:47] yes [21:48] then from the download page http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/downloads [21:48] copy and paste the zsync line into the terminal and press enter [21:49] ok, it's easy ;) [21:49] yep - it should have warned you it had to get the whole thing :) [21:49] indeed [21:49] do it tomorrow - and it will check the iso and then just get what's different :) [21:49] what is rsync flocculant ? [21:50] just a different way of achieving the same result [21:50] afaik anyway :) [21:51] ok [21:51] http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper/ch02s07.html [21:52] apart from anything - if I am typing it manually it's easier to type zsync than rsync -tzhhP [21:53] branau, we likely want to allow only a small group of people to vote; that said, this is based on the user role, so it's easy to modify that to anything else [21:54] yes, you right flocculant [21:54] branau, one thing that is NOT done in that version is nonces for the ajax requests for boting, but that should be trivial enough [21:54] Nairwolf: I do this more or less every day, so I don't actually type anything other than my alias 'image' which zsyncs the 32 and 64bit iso's and then removes the old file when it's done [21:54] just another thing, each time I would like to test a new iso, I will need to do that ? Update the iso with zsync, and install it on my computer ? [21:55] Nairwolf: yes [21:55] okay, and which tool do you use to build the iso in a usb key ? [21:55] knome sounds good, I can grab the missing pieces from the plugin I wrote [21:55] Nairwolf: but - if you're doing this often - virtual machines are a useful tool - *most* of the tests I do - I do in a virtual machine [21:56] Nairwolf: I use the gnome disks tool [21:56] okay, I don't know this tool [21:56] gnome-disk-utility [21:57] it does a bunch of things - one of which is restore an image - so I 'restore' the iso to the usb stick [21:57] why do you prefer it to unetbootin for example ? [21:58] there have been problems with loads of the tools - unetbootin was causing problems - I stopped using it a year or so back [21:59] branau, basically, https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/check_ajax_referer [21:59] but that really is more or less trivial [21:59] yes, I've heard that badly [22:00] I've checked on my computer, gnome-disk-utility is inside gnome-disks, right ? [22:00] because I can't launch "gnome-disk-utility" but I can launch gnome-disks [22:00] yep [22:00] knome yep, I'm familiar with the process. Pretty simple [22:01] Nairwolf: in the menu as Disks [22:01] yes [22:03] Oh, I've been confused. 'restore' mean create a usb key bootable [22:03] restore means : writing into the usb key [22:06] yea [22:06] make sure you've picked the right drive in the left panel [22:07] branau, i just landed that fix on my test server plugin (not in the tarball) [22:07] i should get that up in a repository today [22:07] flocculant, I think I'm doing the right thing ;) [22:08] if you aren't you'll wish you had [22:08] ok, I'm testing the usb key in the second computer ;) [22:08] \o/ [22:08] knome cool, you want to shoot me an updated tarball then? [22:08] no... it's not bootable... [22:09] Am I missing something wrong ? [22:09] Nairwolf: no idea tbh - works for me :) [22:09] branau, in some time, i need to do other things meanwhile [22:09] Nairwolf: if you normally use something else - use that :) [22:09] (and i just broke something in php too) [22:10] knome no worries, I've still got another hour or so of work before I can clock out [22:10] well I gtg now - night all :) [22:10] night flocculant! [22:12] flocculant: that's what I'm doing [22:12] I always forget, should I format in fat32, or in ext4 for the usb key ? [22:20] for this test : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results [22:20] I need to choose the option "Try Xubutu without installing" ? [22:20] what is ubiquity ? [22:25] okay, I've just tried the live session, and blueman-applet has crashed [22:25] If someone can help me to write a bug report, that would be great ;) [22:26] what kind of help do you need? [22:26] knome: I wanted to follow this test ( http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results ) but I'm not sure to know what is ubiquity [22:27] ubiquity is the installer [22:27] and just after launched "xubuntu without installing", I have blueman-apple who has a crashed [22:27] that is not ubiquity [22:27] ubiquity is the part with the slideshow [22:27] oh, it's what you see when you want to "install xubuntu", right ? [22:28] branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/xubuntu-wallpaper-contest.tar.gz [22:28] ok, I see that ;) [22:28] Nairwolf, i think in this case, where it reads "ubiquity" it should read "maybe-ubiquity" [22:29] knome thanks, I'll plug it in and figure it out here in about an hour [22:29] np [22:29] branau, i believe this is "almost ready" as is; testing is totally welcome though [22:29] branau, and things like prompting the user if they really want to delete their submission could be good [22:29] knome: I've clicked on "try xubuntu without installing", and I've a crash of blueman, would I need to report it ? [22:30] knome cool, I'll check it out and tweak anything that doesn't seem right. I'll post any changes to Launchpad [22:30] Nairwolf, well at least it isn't totally wrong, so if you have the time, please do [22:30] branau, wfm (or you can just be in touch with me directly) [22:31] i had something else in mind but the thought just vanished [22:31] The title is "blueman-apple crashed with dbus.exception.DBusExcpetion in call_blocking():" can you give me some indication in order to report it correctly, please ? [22:31] Learn me to do it once, I would be able to do it next times ;) [22:31] Nairwolf, in terminal, run "ubuntu-bug blueman-applet" (if that is the right package name) [22:31] might be something else, but it will tell you [22:31] knome wfm? I'm not familiar with the acronym [22:32] branau, "works for me" [22:32] branau, and now i remember it! [22:32] Ah, I'll do both! [22:32] branau, i have *only* essentially touched the plugin, so no need to do sql dumps and push the wp core [22:33] knome: it launches apport (which was already opened in fact). [22:33] Nairwolf, right, then just proceed from there as it says [22:33] hello Unit193 [22:33] Oh ok, nice. That's convenient [22:33] But I have an error message "the problem cannot be reported: the report belongs to a package that is not installed". Whaaat ? [22:33] mmh... from the command i gave you, or even before that? [22:34] I didn't say words. >_> [22:34] From the command you gave me [22:34] In fact, I've already apport oppened [22:34] with all instructions [22:34] Nairwolf, then dismiss that and continue with the apport window you had open [22:34] Unit193, so? you have been caught nonetheless. [22:34] Nairwolf: Notice that it's already linked here though: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases [22:34] krytarik, thanks ;) [22:34] Sure. [22:35] ok, other stuff for a while -> [22:35] indeed, thank you krytark [22:35] when I check the box "send an error report to help fix this problem" what's happen in reality ? [22:35] Is it linked to launchpad ? [22:36] Tries to report it to LP, yes. [22:37] yes, apparently, it's this bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1533206 [22:37] Launchpad bug 1533206 in blueman (Ubuntu) "Blueman-applet crash on login: DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out" [High,Confirmed] [22:39] can you tell me how I can get the traceback ? [22:39] in order to give it to launchpad, I don't know if it's useful or not [22:42] Nairwolf: No need to report a bug multiple times. [22:42] You're sure ? [22:42] even at iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? [22:42] You just link there. [22:43] sorry, I don't understand your sentence [22:43] it's already linked in fact [22:44] When you report your test result, you just link the bug report to it. [22:45] But no need to report the bug *itself* multiple times. [22:45] ok, even if someone has already reported the same bug ? [22:45] oh, too late... [22:45] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1303/results [22:49] okay, I'm going to test "auto-resize" test [23:03] thank you guys for helping me ;) [23:04] Sure - thank you! [23:05] I hope to become a good tester in few days ;) [23:13] Nairwolf, just remember that testing isn't a competition in speed, usually quite the contrary [23:16] Yes, you right, but if I'm able to do it regularly, and doing it well, that would be great ;) [23:16] It's important to me to know how to report correctly a bug ;) [23:17] I'm not really familiar with the bugtracker of launchpad [23:17] except the ubiquity bug, the daily iso seems really stable, right ? [23:18] Nairwolf: http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html [23:24] thank you ;) [23:25] Later, I would be interested to help in development, but I'm far from helping [23:26] I still need to improve my skills as a developer, and I need to know more xubuntu world (and xfce) [23:26] the contributor documentation at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ should help with pretty much anything you need to "get started" [23:27] (realistically speaking, it doesn't, but if you find stuff that is missing, we'll gladly work to get it included) [23:27] useful document ;) [23:27] ok ;) [23:28] that's enough testing for me tonight ;)