| valorie | oh, ffe question to sgclark, yofel and clivejo | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| yofel | she did file one | 00:02 |
| valorie | and please check the text of that page https://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Plasma/InstallingNext and see that it is correct | 00:02 |
| yofel | I don't think there has been a release-team response yet | 00:02 |
| valorie | cool | 00:02 |
| sgclark | only activity on my ffe is it was escalated to critical | 00:34 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 09:14 |
| clivejo | anyone experiencing display related problems in xenial? | 11:47 |
| mamarley | clivejo: What type of problems? | 11:56 |
| clivejo | display freezing for no reason | 11:57 |
| mamarley | Nope, I haven't seen any of that. What GPU do you have? | 11:58 |
| clivejo | Nvidia | 11:59 |
| clivejo | only started recently | 11:59 |
| clivejo | is there a new QT in the archive | 11:59 |
| mamarley | I think there have been a few updates not too long ago to backport various patches since we can't have 5.6. | 12:00 |
| clivejo | something was changed | 12:09 |
| clivejo | system feels a bit sluggish too | 12:10 |
| soee | clivejo: im on nvidia profile and all works pretty nice | 12:11 |
| clivejo | on xenial? | 12:11 |
| soee | system freezez only if i want to boot with hdmi cable connected | 12:11 |
| soee | clivejo: yes | 12:11 |
| soee | basically there are problems with connecting other device liek TV through hdmi | 12:12 |
| clivejo | have you updated recently? | 12:12 |
| soee | i am always on latest updates http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/23/snapshot66.png | 12:14 |
| clivejo | same versions as mine | 12:15 |
| soee | clivejo: are you ging to build new frameworks ? | 12:15 |
| soee | if we are stuck with apps anyway | 12:16 |
| clivejo | soee: nope, Ive been asked to hold off | 12:16 |
| soee | why ? | 12:16 |
| clivejo | try to get apps finished | 12:16 |
| clivejo | Feature Freeze I believe | 12:16 |
| soee | yofel: we can't put frameworks to staging ppa so they start building ? | 12:17 |
| yofel | if someone has nothing else to do right now, sure. Otherwise that's like bottom priority | 12:18 |
| clivejo | I have the sources built locally | 12:18 |
| clivejo | and was in the middle of a debian merge | 12:19 |
| clivejo | then I went to try and get libkolab fixed to try and fix PIM | 12:19 |
| soee | yofel: o, thank you :) | 12:19 |
| clivejo | but its beyond my skills I think | 12:19 |
| soee | clivejo: so if you find few minutes some day, you could upload frameworks :) | 12:20 |
| yofel | we're at a point where we need to cut down stuff and get things done | 12:20 |
| yofel | if kolab is too complex, kick it out of pim | 12:20 |
| yofel | if people ask for it we can provide a ppa version | 12:20 |
| clivejo | I just dont understand it enough | 12:21 |
| clivejo | but Im trying to learn | 12:21 |
| clivejo | yofel: do you know what package provides KDE calendar support ? | 12:21 |
| yofel | no | 12:21 |
| yofel | my first guess would be PIM | 12:22 |
| soee | i think it is like ~ 1 week till Plasma 5.6 beta :) | 12:22 |
| clivejo | Kolab's OBS is using libcalendering, which apparently is a "frankenstein" package of kdepimlibs for headless servers | 12:22 |
| clivejo | soee: Xenial is an LTS, we have to put effort into getting a good stable release | 12:23 |
| soee | clivejo: i know and that is why i think it should use Plasma 5.6 but sadly we can't i think | 12:24 |
| yofel | right, not going to happen | 12:26 |
| soee | yofel: can't we have some ppa that will be enabled by default for users, and put there important updates (like Plasma 5.6) so there is no need adding backports manually ? | 12:28 |
| yofel | no. No software in the archive may add PPAs (that's why ubuntu-tweak never got accepted) | 12:28 |
| yofel | and official flavors may not have PPAs enabled by default | 12:28 |
| soee | a lot of users have no idea that there is something like backports ppa with newer and probably more stable/with more bugfixes packages | 12:29 |
| yofel | if they have no idea how to do basic package management, then they should not use backports | 12:29 |
| yofel | that would require a completely different QA level for our backports | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 13:10 |
| blaze | Qt 5.6 will be released around 12-15 of March. Is there any chance for 5.6 to be packaged for xenial? | 13:32 |
| yofel | not for the official release | 13:36 |
| yofel | some PPA will have it eventually | 13:36 |
| blaze | too bad, as it is lts Qt release it belongs to lts ubuntu | 14:03 |
| sgclark | sitter: seems you have a new epoch test. this is lovely except that we have a problem when we have an epoch and debian does not. AFAIK we cannot drop this epoch. Please see kdenlive as an example. Thank you. | 15:06 |
| sitter | apparently my mail did not get moderated | 15:08 |
| sitter | lovely | 15:08 |
| sitter | sgclark: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/neon/2016-February/000031.html | 15:08 |
| sgclark | yofel: sadly kolab is required for kdepim-runtime | 15:08 |
| sitter | sgclark: in particular that kdenlive build is attempting to upload no epoch while previously it uploaded epoch 4 | 15:09 |
| sitter | that requires human intervention | 15:09 |
| yofel | blaze: well, then they should've released Qt early enough so it can be used in the LTS. March is far too late | 15:09 |
| sitter | if the previous epoch was wrong then the ppas need to get cleaned accordingly and the workspace needs to get wiped | 15:09 |
| sgclark | the latest version has an epoch | 15:10 |
| sitter | ah yes, it was no epoch to epoch 4 | 15:10 |
| yofel | sgclark: the latest version? | 15:10 |
| yofel | or is what we have enough? | 15:10 |
| sitter | so yeah | 15:10 |
| sitter | sgclark: wipe workspace | 15:10 |
| yofel | and is it really hard required? | 15:10 |
| sgclark | ugh not enough coffee for two conversations. | 15:10 |
| yofel | XD | 15:10 |
| yofel | I'm busy anyway, ping me when you have time | 15:11 |
| sgclark | sitter: kdenlive the only epoch diff I see is debian does not have one and we do, all ours have it , none of theirs. | 15:12 |
| sgclark | yofel: kdepim-runtime will not build without the latest kolab | 15:12 |
| sgclark | now he should be able to just remove libcalendaring from the deps and build without I would think | 15:12 |
| sitter | nono | 15:13 |
| sitter | the first time around I got it right | 15:13 |
| sitter | sgclark: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kdenlive/ws/packaging/debian/changelog/*view*/ | 15:13 |
| sitter | this has no epoch | 15:13 |
| sgclark | sitter: that was my mistake. but archive has epoch I had toadd it back | 15:14 |
| sgclark | it will never publish >.< | 15:14 |
| sitter | that's not what it complains about | 15:14 |
| yofel | the changelog order is rather messed up.. | 15:14 |
| sitter | "4 -> " | 15:15 |
| sitter | it had an epoch of 4 | 15:15 |
| sitter | the lastest build attempts to have no epoch | 15:15 |
| yofel | the changelog without epoch shouldn't exist, and the other one should be at the top | 15:15 |
| sitter | i.e. that'd be an epoch downgrade | 15:15 |
| sitter | and that's why the build fails | 15:15 |
| sitter | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_stable | 15:15 |
| sitter | see line 22 had an epoch. that's the last successful integration supposedly. line 1 doesn't have an epoch anymore. | 15:16 |
| sgclark | oh. that does not at all match. I have made many commit since then. | 15:20 |
| sitter | sgclark: in unstable | 15:22 |
| sitter | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive | 15:22 |
| sitter | xenial_archive and stable are broken still | 15:22 |
| sgclark | I am aware that I sccrewed up my changelog. I have fixed it though. god only knows where the hell my commits went | 15:22 |
| sitter | maybe you forgot to push? (: | 15:22 |
| sgclark | notifying CI ... | 15:23 |
| sgclark | good grief, I need more coffee | 15:23 |
| sgclark | ugh I was working in unstable branch. | 15:29 |
| sgclark | fixing | 15:30 |
| sgclark | or not. I no longer can push. permission denied. | 15:41 |
| sgclark | cannot find source file?! dunno how to fix that.. | 17:13 |
| sgclark | anyway my mess with epoch is sorted, thanks for your help sitter | 17:14 |
| sgclark | uh | 17:44 |
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| soee | LO 5.1 in updates | 20:04 |
| clivejo | LO? | 20:05 |
| lordievader | Libre Office. | 20:05 |
| clivejo | ah | 20:06 |
| BluesKaj | I should dump libre -office , never had occasion to use it for anything | 20:11 |
| snele | so when are plasma 5.5 and other updates expected to land to main repo? | 20:42 |
| snele | btw I can confirm that installer bug is fixed (but lp bug report is not updated for weeks) | 20:43 |
| ahoneybun | any 16.04 dailies working? | 21:04 |
| snele | ahoneybun: todays daily works | 21:05 |
| ahoneybun | cool | 21:05 |
| clivejo | snele: do you know who fixed the installer? | 21:05 |
| snele | clivejo: I don't know. Bug report isn't updated | 21:06 |
| clivejo | sgclark: ping | 22:16 |
| sgclark | clivejo: pong | 22:16 |
| clivejo | hi :) | 22:16 |
| sgclark | hpwdy | 22:16 |
| sgclark | err | 22:16 |
| sgclark | howdy | 22:17 |
| clivejo | so I been researching this libkolab package | 22:17 |
| clivejo | apparently libcalendaring is a hack to get it to install on a headless server | 22:17 |
| clivejo | and on client side it needs built against kdepim | 22:18 |
| clivejo | I think Ive got it to build successfully on KCI | 22:18 |
| clivejo | could you try using it in PIM in apps 15.12.1? | 22:19 |
| clivejo | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/9055237 | 22:19 |
| sgclark | clivejo: can you copy the package to the ppa and rebuild kdepim-runtime? caught me at a bad time I am busy with other commitments. | 22:20 |
| clivejo | I copied libcalendaring, but found out since about it being a hack | 22:21 |
| clivejo | will do | 22:21 |
| sgclark | thanks! | 22:21 |
| clivejo | just copy the KCI build? | 22:21 |
| sgclark | yeah that should work | 22:21 |
| clivejo | ok done | 22:22 |
| clivejo | Ill delete libcalendaring while Im at it | 22:23 |
| ahoneybun | wow I'm get like 3-10 hour ETA for the Beta 1 download | 22:37 |
| valorie | we have a beta one? | 22:38 |
| valorie | we have no announcement..... | 22:38 |
| clivejo | didnt we opt out? | 22:38 |
| ahoneybun | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds | 22:39 |
| valorie | of the alphas we did | 22:40 |
| ahoneybun | I'm not waiting 17 hours lol | 22:40 |
| valorie | right, I know that we have images in the qatracker | 22:40 |
| valorie | but since we're not done, .... | 22:41 |
| ahoneybun | right | 22:41 |
| valorie | where are our packagers! | 22:41 |
| ahoneybun | I've just been out of the loop | 22:41 |
| valorie | we're working our few to an early death | 22:41 |
| valorie | we're trying to finish applications, and perhaps slide the latest frameworks in | 22:41 |
| valorie | if possible | 22:41 |
| valorie | as I understand it | 22:42 |
| clivejo | valorie: yofel rules that out earlier | 22:42 |
| valorie | clivejo it tearing his peace of mind apart trying to fix PIM | 22:42 |
| valorie | ah, boo | 22:42 |
| clivejo | ruled | 22:42 |
| valorie | well | 22:42 |
| ahoneybun | I'm tempted to install Kubuntu back on my laptop again | 22:43 |
| yofel | I didn't really opt-out of beta1 this time - it might be worth to at least get ubiquity tested | 22:43 |
| ahoneybun | I just don't know how the Ubuntu SDK will act | 22:43 |
| yofel | though I doubt it makes sense to release it | 22:43 |
| sgclark | wait what I have been working on pim | 22:43 |
| sgclark | but our ffe has not even been approved | 22:44 |
| sgclark | so we have absolutely nothing new in beta | 22:44 |
| valorie | oooo, sorry sgclark | 22:44 |
| clivejo | valorie: I been trying to understand kolab stuff | 22:44 |
| sgclark | whatevs | 22:44 |
| yofel | valorie: beta is candidate images btw. potential release is on friday IIRC | 22:44 |
| clivejo | PIM is beyond me | 22:44 |
| valorie | they are both PIMish, right? | 22:44 |
| clivejo | its a very small part of PIM | 22:45 |
| valorie | ah, got it | 22:45 |
| sgclark | pim depends on kolab nothing more | 22:45 |
| clivejo | but something I use a lot | 22:45 |
| sgclark | I don't recall kolab being such a pain, sorry clivejo :( | 22:45 |
| valorie | so perhaps beta2 will be useful for us and something we should work towards? | 22:45 |
| clivejo | sgclark: did you remove the build dep on libkolab? | 22:46 |
| valorie | if our FFE is passed | 22:46 |
| sgclark | clivejo: I did not | 22:46 |
| clivejo | do you happen to know if the build dep is on libkolab2 or libkolab-dev? | 22:47 |
| sgclark | dev | 22:47 |
| clivejo | need to add that back in | 22:47 |
| sgclark | I did not remove anything.. | 22:47 |
| clivejo | I think debian must have removed it | 22:47 |
| yofel | how did they remove it if it's required? | 22:48 |
| sgclark | ah, there is that possibility. you did that merge :) feel free to add it back in.. | 22:48 |
| sgclark | good question yofel | 22:48 |
| sgclark | yofel: did you have time to look at my note in ninjas pad? | 22:49 |
| sgclark | err notes | 22:49 |
| yofel | no sorry. | 22:49 |
| sgclark | okies | 22:50 |
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| mparillo | yofel: ahoneybun: As far as Beta goes, yesterday I grabbed a daily and successfully installed to a VM. | 23:19 |
| mparillo | So, Ubiquity is no longer broken, though the bug I though was the root cause is not closed yet. | 23:20 |
| mparillo | At least for me ;-) | 23:20 |
| yofel | well, progress. There seem to be more bugs in ubiquity according to #ubuntu-quality | 23:20 |
| mparillo | Oh, I do not mean there are zero bugs, just that it is no longer hopelessly broken. | 23:22 |
| yofel | right, thanks a lot for verifying that! | 23:22 |
| mparillo | I will grab another daily tomorrow morning. | 23:24 |
| mparillo | In 18 hours or so. | 23:25 |
| valorie | \o/ | 23:26 |
| valorie | that will be so useful for our testers | 23:26 |
| valorie | when we're ready for them | 23:26 |
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