| dbarros | this would be very nice in ubuntu default | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| k1l_ | i dont think that will happen with unity. | 00:03 |
| dbarros | he should have written in a way that it was very specific for Kylin, the way he puts it is that we get that as well. | 00:03 |
| ChibaPet | Hey, I realize this is being lazy as I might be able to explore, but if I want to report a crashing bug or two in Xenial, what infrastructure do I want in place for that? I'm not running Unity, so I'll need to set it up by hand, whatever it is. | 00:09 |
| ChibaPet | I've looked over the apport page but I haven't enumerated all the infrastructure bits I'll want yet. | 00:10 |
| OpenSorce | So, is gnome software manager implemented in 16.04? | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | OpenSorce: yes it will be, there is already a ppa where it can be tested | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | OpenSorce: but i hear they still need testers and devs, to get it straight on time | 05:08 |
| OpenSorce | lotuspsychje, tested in 14.04 or do I need to be running 16.04 to try it? | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | yes adviced 16.04 | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | im running xenial on desktop pretty stable already | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | but things ca still break in this phase | 05:09 |
| OpenSorce | Gotcha, I'll grab a copy and throw on one of my machines. I'm dumping Mint from two machines tomorrow so it will probably go on one of those. | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | good choice :p | 05:10 |
| OpenSorce | If it's stable enough I'll put it on my main PC after some testing. | 05:11 |
| lotuspsychje | OpenSorce: stable it is, but dont expect too many new features yet | 05:11 |
| OpenSorce | I know this is a touchy subject for Ubuntu people but... has Unity improved? | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | newer packages and kernel etc | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | overall feeling will remind you at 14.04 in this stage | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | but many new packages under the hood already | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | final release we all waiting for :p | 05:13 |
| OpenSorce | I'm not a fan of the current version, I may wait. | 05:13 |
| lotuspsychje | OpenSorce: another possible layout, would be installing 14.04.4 then glide to 16.04 upgrade in april | 05:14 |
| OpenSorce | lotuspsychje, yeah I have a thrown together customized version of 14.04 on this machine. Closer to Lubuntu than anything else. | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 05:15 |
| OpenSorce | I'll probably clone it then upgrade to 16.04 in April | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | good idea | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | im only on 16.04 to help bug out | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | so we all have a nice clean LTS soon :p | 05:16 |
| OpenSorce | Yeah, I kinda want to help out with that. Just can't stand Unity enough to be much help. | 05:17 |
| lotuspsychje | there's a flavor for everyone mate :p | 05:17 |
| OpenSorce | I'm old school though, 9/10 times I do most of my stuff in a bare x-window with a single xterm opened :-P | 05:17 |
| lotuspsychje | lovely | 05:18 |
| lotuspsychje | im oldskool too, but i also like linux eyecandy | 05:18 |
| OpenSorce | Anyway, thanks so much for the info :-) | 05:18 |
| lotuspsychje | OpenSorce: np | 05:18 |
| gareth__ | Hey folks. What's the recommended way to move from 15.10 to the latest unstable? (There's some radio packages I want and it's either Ubuntu or Debian, unstable) | 08:00 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 09:14 |
| Fudge | howdy | 09:20 |
| lordievader | Hey Fudge, how are you? | 09:20 |
| Fudge | frustrated actually mate | 09:21 |
| Fudge | trying to figure out a way I can install ubuntu server daily onto my dell poweredge headless basically | 09:22 |
| lordievader | Entirely headless? | 09:22 |
| Fudge | so challenges are: i can't see. booting the server imae possibly into single user mode so I can setup ssh and then figuring out how to do it all manually as the installer is not accessible with a screen reader | 09:23 |
| Fudge | i have a monitor and keyboard plugged in | 09:23 |
| Fudge | putting a soundcard in failed, it wouldnt boot | 09:23 |
| Fudge | which would have meant that I could have booted a debian netinstall and used speech or a desktop image and installed then switch to a server kernel perhaps | 09:23 |
| lordievader | The Debian images support continueing the install over ssh. | 09:23 |
| Fudge | which might be an easier option but there is fussing about for raid with desktop installs anyway | 09:23 |
| lordievader | Not sure if the Ubuntu images support that. | 09:24 |
| Fudge | tru, im not actually sure how to launch the ubuntu installer, ubiquity i guess and use debconf for a frontend | 09:24 |
| Fudge | its just a big gap, since Ubuntu doesnt support any of the speech installs that Debian do on those netinstalls | 09:25 |
| lordievader | You could do a debootstrap install if you have ssh inside a live-session. | 09:25 |
| Fudge | any docs on that? | 09:26 |
| Fudge | that would be a good option, brb | 09:26 |
| lordievader | It is a Debian guide, but quite applicable: https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/ia64/apds03.html.en | 09:28 |
| Fudge | thanks ill give it a read, is it correct that hit enter on ubuntu server for language then f6, type single to get a live prompt? | 09:33 |
| lordievader | Err... maybe. I haven't seen the server images in ages. | 09:34 |
| Fudge | all good | 09:34 |
| cebalrai | My xenial install does not list less in the alternatives for pager. Is my config wrong or is that an unreported bug? | 10:41 |
| spm_draget | Does xenail come with some ntp client (systemd?) ? | 10:51 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ntp xenial | 10:51 |
| ubottu | ntp (source: ntp): Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.8p4+dfsg-3ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 512 kB, installed size 1612 kB | 10:52 |
| spm_draget | Well, there is a ntp client. :) Question is: Maybe systemd has some builtin | 10:52 |
| lordievader | spm_draget: No, for as far as I know, systemd depends on ntpd for its ntp daemon. | 10:53 |
| radish_ | hi, we're currently testing a preseed installation of 16.04 server and it seems like tasksel is not working correctly. We are setting "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect Basic Ubuntu server, OpenSSH server", but openssh-server never gets installed. | 11:10 |
| radish_ | Additionally, tasksel --task-packages TASK doesn't return anything valid. Executing tasksel install openssh-server after installation seems to work just fine. | 11:11 |
| soupnanodesukar | is xenial going to get wine1.8? | 12:34 |
| cebalrai | Has anyone run into problems with widgets and themes using plasma? | 12:42 |
| lotuspsychje | !info wine xenial | 12:43 |
| ubottu | wine (source: wine1.6): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu12 (xenial), package size 0 kB, installed size 6 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 12:43 |
| lotuspsychje | soupnanodesukar: maybe on final release? | 12:43 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 13:10 |
| lotuspsychje | coolmouse: alive? | 13:25 |
| coolmouse | lotuspsychje: what? | 13:37 |
| lotuspsychje | coolmouse: did you got better support for your gtx on xenial now? | 13:39 |
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| BluesKaj | hmm, apt-get autoclean is failing, if I cd to / and run apt-get autoclean, this error results: | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the download directory | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | sudo apt-get autoclean still does nothing at the / prompt | 14:51 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: other packages installing? | 14:52 |
| lordievader | Is there another apt process running? | 14:52 |
| ceed^ | I noticed that I do not have an "empty trash" option in the file manager after I got 16.04 on my computer. That used to be an option in the sidebar context menu for the trash. Is it only me, or is it missing? | 14:52 |
| BluesKaj | nope no other apt processes running' | 14:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ceed^: yeah i didnt see 'bypass trash' in nautilus neither on xenial | 14:52 |
| ceed^ | Whew, not only me then :) | 14:53 |
| lotuspsychje | ceed^: maybe final will fix that stuff | 14:53 |
| ceed^ | lotuspsychje, not unless someone reports that it isn't there! :) | 14:54 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | odd thing is autoclean works fine on the laptop with Xenial | 14:56 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: try bleachbit on xenial | 14:57 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, I did , ir errors as well | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmz | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | ceed^: i think nautilus will get update too, maybe we should wait a bit longer? | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: bleachbit as root also try? | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | permission denied doesnt sound good | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | ok , swc | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | sec | 15:00 |
| lordievader | !bleachbit | lotuspsychje | 15:00 |
| lordievader | Hmm, no longer a thing? | 15:00 |
| lordievader | Anyhow, don't use bleachbit. It is known for destroying installs. | 15:00 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: i never had one issue with it | 15:01 |
| lotuspsychje | !info bleachbit xenial | 15:01 |
| ubottu | bleachbit (source: bleachbit): delete unnecessary files from the system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8-1 (xenial), package size 271 kB, installed size 2074 kB | 15:01 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: did it work? | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | dunno if bleachbit is what I want, the error is the real problem | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: its same error users get when software center is open or something else installing, weird | 15:12 |
| lordievader | BluesKaj: Rename the file and see if it persists. | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: can your recall what you did last? update? install stuff? | 15:12 |
| BluesKaj | atm my / is at 8G out of 16 which safe enoug i suppose , but it is creeping since it was only 6.8 the other day | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: not related to your kernel ppa ads? | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | lo I removed the default software center and installed muon and libmuon , wonder if that left something behind causinmg the error | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje,^ | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm that could be actually | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: did you manually install something to a dir or sompething? or the official way | 15:15 |
| BluesKaj | install muon and libmuon and apt removed the default software center | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | installed | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: maybe ubuntu doesnt like removing software center and gets in aptlock? | 15:18 |
| BluesKaj | could be | 15:20 |
| lordievader | Still, I would just move the lock file and see if the error persists. | 15:33 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: any luck? | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, no more errors, had to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. Guess I removed to many default aps like Discover/software center and pulseaudio etc, but I purged pulseaudio again anyway :-) | 15:39 |
| vincent42 | hi all, how stable is kubuntu 16.04 today ? | 15:40 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: one for you ^ | 15:40 |
| vincent42 | I'm doing a fresh kubuntu install and since 16.04 is coming soon I wonder if I should pick that even though it's not out yet | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | vincent42, quite stable actually | 15:40 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: just keep in mind things can still break in this phase | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | hope you don't plan on using it on th ejob though | 15:41 |
| BluesKaj | on the job that is | 15:41 |
| vincent42 | well it's for my main machine :) | 15:41 |
| BluesKaj | home user? | 15:41 |
| vincent42 | so yeah on the job and out of the job | 15:41 |
| vincent42 | ok, so I guess I'll keep 14.04 for now | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | too early for a work machine | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | you could dual boot | 15:42 |
| vincent42 | I try to avoid :) | 15:42 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: if you like testing and help the community file bugs | 15:42 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: it doesnt also mean it 'will' break, in fact it probably will remain pretty stable...but until final arrives, things can still go wrong | 15:43 |
| vincent42 | I don't mind doing that, but yeah it's for my main machine so I need basic stuff like monitor switching / sleeping to work stable | 15:44 |
| vincent42 | (it's a laptop) | 15:44 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: it all depends how important you find reinstalling if things go wrong | 15:45 |
| vincent42 | ok thanks for the infos, I'll stay safe for the moment, I might try it when I have a less important machine that need an OS install :) | 15:47 |
| BluesKaj | vincent42, yes, for work machines it's best to err on the side of caution | 15:48 |
| vincent42 | I guess 16.04 is fully using systemd now ? | 15:51 |
| lotuspsychje | yes | 15:51 |
| vincent42 | I 've been using arch a bit, and started to get used to it, so I'm looking a bit forward to see how it is in ubuntu | 15:55 |
| vincent42 | that's one of the reason I considered switching to 16.04, but I'll wait a bit :) | 15:55 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: for now xenial looks like an updated 14.04 | 16:00 |
| lotuspsychje | vincent42: real changes at final of course :p | 16:00 |
| Volkodav | Hi! I have this issue with samba for a fer days, I got it to work yesterday, but today I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/15181320/. Should I change the permissions? | 16:40 |
| === zequence_ is now known as zequence | ||
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-beta-1-flavors-to-land-in-two-days-kubuntu-is-missing-500837.shtml | 17:46 |
| * genii decides to wait for Kubuntu 16.06 | 17:51 | |
| lotuspsychje | genii: nice call mate :p | 17:51 |
| lotuspsychje | ill go for ubuntu desktop 16.04 | 17:52 |
| genii | Well, hopefully it's not actually that long. But two late releases in 12 years wouldn't be so bad | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 17:53 |
| ChibaPet | !info synergy | 18:52 |
| ubottu | synergy (source: synergy): Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.2-0ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 772 kB, installed size 3441 kB | 18:53 |
| Pici | that still exists? | 18:56 |
| lordievader | Gone paid, didn't they? | 18:56 |
| ChibaPet | That's an older version. It still exists and works, although I only use it between Unix systems. | 18:57 |
| ChibaPet | Finding compatible versions can be fun between platforms. | 18:58 |
| ChibaPet | And of course, they implement their own encryption, which I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. | 18:58 |
| ChibaPet | Today's experimentation, anyway, is taking my project laptop and installing Xenial from the server ISO, and then adding in ZFS on LUKS as an add-on, not as root. | 18:59 |
| ChibaPet | I'm not at all clear on how (or if, really) systemd's cryptsetup.target deals with multi-stage mounting, where something must be mounted to get the keys for something else. | 19:00 |
| ChibaPet | s/mounted/& after being descrypted/ | 19:00 |
| ChibaPet | My last run at it on 14.04, I ended up doing it manually from rc.local. Hoping this miracle we have called systemd can handle it. | 19:01 |
| ChibaPet | If it works out, it will become the default desktop I deploy for my family. | 19:03 |
| ChibaPet | ikonia: I can render an opinion now. "Pretty good." | 19:04 |
| lordievader | For me systemd notices on which disk the root logical volume resides, I find that a quite nice feature. | 19:05 |
| ChibaPet | I haven't tried that as yet. My only Xenial installs right now are root-on-ZFS-on-LUKS, which has required some tweaking. | 19:06 |
| lordievader | Err, forgot to mention both disks use luks. | 19:07 |
| lordievader | Systemd only asks for the password the root-fs is on. | 19:07 |
| ChibaPet | Individually, or are you running the root luks on md-raid? | 19:07 |
| lordievader | I got lvm on luks. Two luks encrypted disks with lvm spread over them. | 19:08 |
| ChibaPet | There's a minor bug in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot where it will bail after probing and finding the first root provider. | 19:08 |
| ChibaPet | hrm | 19:08 |
| lordievader | But I am not sure if you can specify a key file on some other disk. | 19:08 |
| ChibaPet | That's close enough to what I'm doing that I'm surprised it worked. | 19:08 |
| ChibaPet | Out of curiosity, why not LVM on LUKS on MD-RAID? That cuts your crypto workload in half for the same level of security. | 19:09 |
| lordievader | Because I want lvm to do the raid stuff. | 19:10 |
| ChibaPet | Unless you're using two keys/passphrases, using two separate disks each encrypted separately potentially gives the attacker two cyphertexts with identical plaintext equivalents. | 19:10 |
| ChibaPet | hrm | 19:10 |
| lordievader | And it grew this way, it was just one disk for a long time. | 19:10 |
| ChibaPet | Alright. | 19:10 |
| ChibaPet | I don't yet trust LVM enough to let it manage my RAID. I still remember the LVM1 days when it'd eat itself occasionally. | 19:11 |
| lordievader | For as far as I know it uses md-raid for the raid stuff. | 19:12 |
| ChibaPet | I thought it didn't use quite the same back-end, but I could be wrong. | 19:12 |
| lordievader | I'm not sure either ;) | 19:14 |
| ChibaPet | lordievader: Hey, are you familiar with apport? I want to know what to set up to capture a crash. One of my Xenial boxes (but not another) bails when I run xine and vlc to play a DVD. Both are Xeon boxes, different generations. Both running up to date Xenial, both on ZFS root. It's odd that they behave differently. | 19:21 |
| ChibaPet | I haven't dug in deeply yet and I've been busy, so I'm hoping someone can shorted the search. :P | 19:22 |
| lordievader | No, not really. | 19:24 |
| lordievader | I'd strace it. | 19:24 |
| ChibaPet | Yeah. I should. I haven't had a chance, but I'll do it tonight. | 19:24 |
| ChibaPet | Does apport give anything more than an strace? I'd like to submit a maximally-usable bug report. | 19:25 |
| lordievader | No idea. Never really used apport. | 19:32 |
| ChibaPet | I'll pursue that more too. | 19:34 |
| ChibaPet | By God, it Just Worked. | 20:34 |
| lordievader | Hehe, nice. That's a first :P | 20:35 |
| ChibaPet | Having my key spec'd in /etc/crypttab (even where / has to be decrypted before mount) resulted in my zpool being mounted and all the relevant datasets being properly mounted. | 20:36 |
| lordievader | Nice, nice. | 20:36 |
| ChibaPet | I'm going to henceforth being a heathen (in ZFS terms) and *not* use ZFS on root until Ubuntu formally supports it. | 20:36 |
| ChibaPet | The other thing I noted on a careful read of the crypttab man page makes me think that I might be able to get away without having to mangle the cryptroot hook if I specify the "initramfs" option. This option doesn't show up in 14.04, so maybe it's there for people like me. | 20:38 |
| PryMar56 | just brought up Xen 4.6.1 in Xenial with 7 VM. its built from upstream source | 21:09 |
| ChibaPet | I miss the xm command set. What's 4.6.1 use? xe? | 21:11 |
| PryMar56 | ChibaPet, xl | 21:12 |
| ChibaPet | Oh, right. xe is XenServer. | 21:12 |
| ChibaPet | hrm | 21:12 |
| ChibaPet | !info xen-linux-system-amd64 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Package xen-linux-system-amd64 does not exist in xenial | 21:13 |
| ChibaPet | !info xen-hypervisor | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Package xen-hypervisor does not exist in xenial | 21:13 |
| PryMar56 | I got 12M/s from repos when moving from wily to xenial | 21:13 |
| ChibaPet | Does Canonical ship one themselves? | 21:13 |
| PryMar56 | ChibaPet, I didn't check for Xenial version of Xen. I built it from upstream source in a VM | 21:13 |
| ChibaPet | ah: | 21:14 |
| ChibaPet | !info xen-hypervisor-4.4-amd64 | 21:14 |
| ubottu | xen-hypervisor-4.4-amd64 (source: xen): Transitional package for upgrade. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.6.0-1ubuntu4 (xenial), package size 5 kB, installed size 45 kB | 21:14 |
| ChibaPet | !info xen-hypervisor-4.6-amd64 | 21:15 |
| ubottu | xen-hypervisor-4.6-amd64 (source: xen): Xen Hypervisor on AMD64. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.6.0-1ubuntu4 (xenial), package size 743 kB, installed size 1845 kB | 21:15 |
| ChibaPet | I got the wrong one. Cool. I'll have to set that up sometime to replace the equivalent on a Debian box at home. | 21:15 |
| ChibaPet | PryMar56: Out of curiosity, how does xl compare with xm in your opinion? | 21:16 |
| PryMar56 | ChibaPet, the logic is the same. xl is compiled C & xm is python script | 21:18 |
| PryMar56 | xl is quicker. As quick as you can type | 21:18 |
| ChibaPet | I'll have to dig in. I want to clone myself to have more time for projects. | 21:19 |
| Ben64 | yes it does | 21:26 |
| retrojeff | synaptic package manager has tons of bugs and xenial is really close to release | 21:27 |
| k1l | !bug | retrojeff | 21:28 |
| ubottu | retrojeff: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 21:28 |
| retrojeff | also something I would like to see | 21:28 |
| retrojeff | is when you apt-get dist-upgrade and a new kernel is installed | 21:28 |
| retrojeff | that dkms or w.e it is installs the kernel modules for the new kernel | 21:29 |
| lordievader | Is Synaptic still supported. | 21:29 |
| retrojeff | for example nvidia and virtualbox | 21:29 |
| retrojeff | Synaptic package manager is amazing | 21:29 |
| retrojeff | if they ever remove it I will stop using Ubuntu | 21:30 |
| lordievader | Might be wrong, but I thought support was more or less dropped with the introduction of the Ubuntu Software Center. | 21:30 |
| retrojeff | USC is probley trash | 21:30 |
| retrojeff | 95% sure it is or will be trash | 21:30 |
| lordievader | I would probably agree... not sure. | 21:30 |
| k1l | retrojeff: if a new kernel is installed dkms builds the modules. | 21:31 |
| lordievader | Emerge is great :D | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | Ubuntu is becoming more and more like apple | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | designed for noobs | 21:31 |
| lordievader | Or Portage, however you'd like to call it. | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | to hand hold | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | its gross | 21:31 |
| k1l | retrojeff: drop that attitude | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | facts are facts | 21:31 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you are free to use a "linux guru linux" that suits you better | 21:31 |
| retrojeff | I only speak truth | 21:31 |
| k1l | you just show your state of knowledge. | 21:32 |
| ChibaPet | retrojeff: There are times when it's nice to have a bunch of stuff done for you and still have access to customization where you want it. Ubuntu is becoming my favourite distribution for striking just the right balance. | 21:32 |
| retrojeff | if Synaptic Package Manager is not installed by default | 21:33 |
| retrojeff | you can always do "sudo apt-get install synaptic" | 21:33 |
| k1l | it is not installed by default since some time now | 21:33 |
| retrojeff | its one of the 1st things I do on a brand new install | 21:33 |
| ChibaPet | retrojeff: FWIW, I used to feel like you about dselect, but then I grudgingly started playing with aptitude, and now I wouldn't want to go back. | 21:33 |
| k1l | dselect :/ | 21:34 |
| retrojeff | I like synaptic for the simple fact of if I want to remove a package I can visually see what else gets removed | 21:34 |
| retrojeff | or installed | 21:34 |
| Ben64 | ok? | 21:34 |
| Ben64 | nobody is stopping you from using it | 21:34 |
| retrojeff | and right click on one of the other packages and choose to reinstall or purge it | 21:35 |
| retrojeff | that level of power is amazing | 21:35 |
| retrojeff | no other package manager will ever replace synaptic | 21:35 |
| retrojeff | and to add filters thats powerful | 21:35 |
| retrojeff | and to see where a package came from (ie source) | 21:36 |
| ChibaPet | retrojeff: So, from your first point, have you tried aptitude? You see (visually!) what else will happen, exactly as you're describing. | 21:36 |
| k1l | retrojeff: a good tip: never tell the linux guru users you rely on a gui packagemanager :) | 21:37 |
| ChibaPet | Searching, limiting views, examining possible installs... All pretty easy. | 21:37 |
| retrojeff | aptitude is just a ncurses gui run in a terminal ? | 21:37 |
| ChibaPet | retrojeff: Yes. But it's a nice one. | 21:37 |
| retrojeff | aptitude is an ok gui | 21:37 |
| retrojeff | I still prefer Synaptic | 21:37 |
| retrojeff | that will never change | 21:38 |
| ChibaPet | That's fine. It's good to be comfortable with a range of tools to suit different situations. | 21:38 |
| lordievader | retrojeff: So use Synaptic? | 21:38 |
| retrojeff | I do use Synaptic | 21:38 |
| retrojeff | I merely came in here to say its full of bugs right now | 21:38 |
| retrojeff | that would be cool to be fixed before 16.04 is out | 21:39 |
| Ben64 | so report the bugs | 21:39 |
| retrojeff | I have on its launchpad page | 21:39 |
| retrojeff | in fact so have others | 21:39 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you have been often enough an issue to know that this attitude does not help | 21:39 |
| retrojeff | they seem to be abandoned | 21:39 |
| k1l | !bug | retrojeff | 21:39 |
| ubottu | retrojeff: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 21:39 |
| k1l | report bugs and help to solve them. | 21:40 |
| retrojeff | no need too repeat that k1l | 21:40 |
| retrojeff | all that does is load up its page on launchpad.com | 21:40 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you keep repeating the same of your "facts" over and over again. | 21:40 |
| retrojeff | which I just finished saying I already did | 21:40 |
| k1l | retrojeff: but that is not helpfull. and you know that. better make a blog and post your rantings there | 21:41 |
| k1l | that is the same level of helpfull as ranting here on irc. | 21:41 |
| retrojeff | if I encouraged more people to use Synaptic | 21:41 |
| retrojeff | maybe these bugs would get noticed | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | and possibly fixed | 21:42 |
| k1l | file that bugs yourself | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | wow what a concept | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | I have stated several times that I and others | 21:42 |
| k1l | wow what an attitude | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | have already filed the bugs | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | its just in one ear and out the other with you | 21:42 |
| retrojeff | no wonder things suck around here | 21:42 |
| lordievader | Or, even better, go out and fix the bugs yourself and submit a patch. | 21:43 |
| k1l | "i am the most important user on the world and my bugs need to be fixed first but i dont want to help i just demand things" | 21:43 |
| retrojeff | its not about demanding | 21:43 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you do | 21:43 |
| retrojeff | and other people as well have reported the same bugs | 21:43 |
| retrojeff | hence it affects multiple people | 21:43 |
| retrojeff | not just myself | 21:43 |
| k1l | retrojeff: and you have been told and even were banned before. | 21:44 |
| retrojeff | wow again.... what a fucking concept | 21:44 |
| k1l | retrojeff: so drop that attitude or never come back | 21:44 |
| retrojeff | I am not a selfish asshole here thinking only of myself | 21:44 |
| retrojeff | fuck this channel is pointless | 21:44 |
| retrojeff | I think its time to stop using ubuntu | 21:44 |
| retrojeff | fucking run by children | 21:45 |
| lordievader | Watch your language. | 21:45 |
| k1l | i feel sorry for the other OS you will be ranting at. | 21:45 |
| retrojeff | I also run CentOS | 21:45 |
| retrojeff | which gives me 0 trouble | 21:45 |
| retrojeff | cause I use it as a server | 21:45 |
| retrojeff | in fact my 1st distro ever was Redhat 9 | 21:46 |
| Ben64 | "run by children" ... yet can't speak using polite language | 21:46 |
| retrojeff | I always did like Fedora based distros | 21:46 |
| Pici | retrojeff: developers only have finite resources. Its just not feasible to fix every bug that is reported. Bugs for software that ship by default are given higher priority, and if the bugs aren't being fixed in debian either (which is where we sync from) then we won't get the fixes either. | 21:46 |
| retrojeff | I only tried ubuntu cause every one else uses it | 21:46 |
| k1l | retrojeff: ok, then go and use those OS. enough of demanding and insulting. that attitude is not welcome in the ubuntu community. | 21:46 |
| ChibaPet | Come now. I go away for a few minutes and there's all this nastiness. No need for it. Let's all be pleasant. | 21:52 |
| retrojeff | it seems like all these children in here know how to do is talk to a fucking bot | 21:59 |
| retrojeff | if you cant be bothered to be helpful just put the bot in charge | 21:59 |
| retrojeff | let it run the show | 22:00 |
| retrojeff | thats how humanity works now we just put technology in charge | 22:00 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you really want to read the guidelines and the ubuntu code of conduct. because you insulting and swaring is violating both | 22:00 |
| k1l | *swearing | 22:00 |
| retrojeff | your being alive is violating my air space | 22:01 |
| retrojeff | and sanity space | 22:01 |
| retrojeff | the 1st thing you did when I came in here was use that fucking bot | 22:02 |
| retrojeff | which prooves my point | 22:02 |
| k1l | retrojeff: you were already banned in here (and your old ip is still banned) because of your attitude. so i would not go around and tell others what they do wrong. | 22:03 |
| retrojeff | go fuck your mother or something | 22:03 |
| retrojeff | I take better shits compared to the help you give | 22:04 |
| k1l | and if everyone is telling you the same, you might want to consider if your opinion is not the right one | 22:04 |
| retrojeff | all you do is repeat yourself and use a bot | 22:04 |
| lordievader | !ops | 22:04 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, PriceChild, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, k1l, rww, phunyguy, bazhang | 22:04 |
| retrojeff | what a buzz kill | 22:05 |
| k1l | anything usefull from you? becasue for more insults and rantings you better start a own blog. this is not the place for such things. | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | you sir are a buzz kill | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | !bug k1l | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | !bug k1l | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | !bug k1l | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | !bug k1l | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | !bug k1l | 22:05 |
| ChibaPet | buzz* | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | see I can do it too | 22:05 |
| retrojeff | oh look lordievader had to use a bot for help | 22:06 |
| retrojeff | why am I not surprised | 22:06 |
| ChibaPet | retrojeff: Can you just stop please? There is nothing to be gained from this. | 22:06 |
| retrojeff | seriously let the bot run the show | 22:06 |
| retrojeff | it does a better job | 22:07 |
| retrojeff | internet is just full of bots | 22:07 |
| retrojeff | bots hacking computers | 22:07 |
| retrojeff | bots spamming websites | 22:07 |
| retrojeff | bots having sex | 22:07 |
| retrojeff | there will be no more humans left | 22:08 |
| retrojeff | by 2050 | 22:08 |
| retrojeff | why do anything when a bot can do it for you and better | 22:08 |
| retrojeff | should just code a bot to fix these bugs | 22:09 |
| retrojeff | oh wow what a great idea | 22:09 |
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| ChibaPet | Woot, and the one snag I've hit so far is gone. The synergy source package from Trusty builds and runs on Xenial. | 23:32 |
| genii | If it eats your children don't come here for sympathy | 23:38 |
| ChibaPet | genii: What could go wrong? :P | 23:38 |
| ChibaPet | Eventually I'll move everything to Xenial and just use that version. But for these dark, in-between days... | 23:39 |
| genii | !info synergaly xeni | 23:39 |
| ubottu | 'xeni' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed | 23:39 |
| genii | !info synergy xenial | 23:40 |
| ubottu | synergy (source: synergy): Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.2-0ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 772 kB, installed size 3441 kB | 23:40 |
| ChibaPet | Mm. The 1.4 that Trusty ships is protocol-incompatible with 1.6. | 23:40 |
| genii | Hm | 23:41 |
| ChibaPet | At some point I want to write a stripped-down Unix/X-only workalike. Synergy jumped the shark when it started supporting Windows and MacOS. | 23:44 |
| ChibaPet | and adding a GUI | 23:44 |
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