[01:37] <old_benz> timeax: yeah what’s up
[01:37] <old_benz> ?
[05:03] <Hightmrowbeatz> I have a question. Not sure if its a stupid question or a queation that's worth asking. Anyway, I own the HTC M8 running wimdows 10 preview and was wondering if ubuntu was possible to run on it?
[05:03] <Hightmrowbeatz> question*
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Hightmrowbeatz
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Hightmrowbeatz: see also the XDA forums for existing projects perhaps
[05:06] <Hightmrowbeatz> Thank you
[05:49] <Highrowbeatz> Well since my device is not on ayny list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices does that mean no I can't get ubuntu on my device?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Highrowbeatz: unless someone ports it, not yet
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Highrowbeatz: you can buy a device with ubuntu touch on it, or buy a second hand nexus device
[06:40] <Kirru> Wow what is this?
[08:04] <orsonmmz> hi everyone
[08:04] <orsonmmz> do you know if there is an option to change the color theme to dark?
[08:05] <Stanley00> orsonmmz: no, but you can try change the value in /usr/share/themes/... (iirc) <= do it at your own risk
[08:06] <orsonmmz> Stanley00: cool, thx ;)
[08:42] <ck_mfc> has anyone already encrypted his phone and could say anything about performance?
[08:45] <Smurphy> how can one encrypt his phone ?
[08:45] <Smurphy> Never tried it so far.
[08:51] <ck_mfc> maybe same as on the desktop version of ubuntu. with LUKS
[09:40] <sil2100> Elleo: hey!
[09:40] <sil2100> Elleo: did you manage to take a look at removing the fonts-droid package in ubuntu-keyboard?
[10:09] <Elleo> sil2100: oh sorry, I haven't yet, I'll do that today
[10:10] <sil2100> Elleo: thanks, that would unblock a few people - doko was asking about it today, I guess they finally want to get rid of it completely
[11:08] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, were you able to repro?
[11:13] <pete-woods> jgdx: I've put a fix in the upcoming silo
[11:13] <pete-woods> jgdx: what were the symptoms for you? just noise in the log?
[11:14] <jgdx> pete-woods, I couldn't create a connection
[11:14] <pete-woods> jgdx: oh right, it wasn't doing that for me
[11:14] <jgdx> pete-woods, what silo is that?
[11:14] <pete-woods> jgdx: 56
[11:14] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay, this was on the desktop, but it used to work very well
[11:15] <pete-woods> jgdx: hmm, maybe network manager got more strict or something..
[11:15] <pete-woods> I do most of my testing for it on the desktop
[11:15] <pete-woods> as it's just much faster to do the build/test cycle
[11:15] <jgdx> same here
[12:21] <timeax> Hi peoples ;)
[12:23] <timeax> I'm in troubles again with my attempt to port ubuntu touch on my mi2s
[13:06] <seb128> dbarth__, hey, is cordova-ubuntu still something we use/care about?
[13:06] <seb128> pitti, ^
[13:08] <seb128> it uses geoclue-gypsy which is currently in a package not building, we are wondering if that needs to be fixed or maybe could be cleaned out as deprecated
[13:16] <pitti> dbarth__, seb128: I filed bug 1548811 with a summary and subscribed Ken and yuo
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:28] <timeax> Pitty and seb128 are you expert in porting ubuntu touch to android devices?
[13:29] <seb128> timeax, no, I have no experience about that, sorry
[13:29] <timeax> Oh ok tnx anyway ;)
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> timeax: mariogrip has a page about one+one port
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> timeax: want the url?
[13:30] <timeax> I tryied to contact him but i hadnt find him online
[13:30] <timeax> Yes please maybe i could find something useful
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> timeax: here's one about the fairphone: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/fairphone-2-ubuntu-touch-port-now-underway
[13:32] <timeax> Tnx a lot, now i check it :)
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> timeax: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-presents-sony-xperia-z1-and-oneplus-one-as-ubuntu-phones-500658.shtml
[13:33] <dbarth__> seb128, pitti: cordova-ubuntu can be removed from the archive, it's only managed as a github/npm module now
[13:35] <seb128> dbarth__, can you write that on the bug?
[13:35] <dbarth__> i just did ;)
[13:35] <seb128> thanks
[13:59] <jgdx> pete-woods, silo 56 allows me to add connections.
[14:04] <pitti> dbarth__: thanks
[14:06] <mterry> cyphermox, do you have time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/timezonemap/alternate-names/+merge/280194 ?
[14:07] <mterry> cyphermox, it's been sitting there for a while, I need to start chasing reviewers to make it happen I guess :)
[14:15] <cyphermox> mterry: sure!
[14:18] <mterry> cyphermox, I might need a FFe at this point in xenial I guess...
[14:18] <mterry> But maybe not.  Not really a feature feature
[14:18] <mterry> Just a new key to lookup
[14:19] <cyphermox> that's sounds feature to me
[14:19] <mterry> dang it cyphermox  :)
[14:19] <seb128> mterry, where do you plan to use that? (just wondering how that fits with the new geonames lib from larsu)
[14:20] <cyphermox> seb128: it wouldn't be the only user anyway, ubiquity uses libtimezonemap, and IIRC other things do too
[14:21] <seb128> cyphermox, yeah, we sort of wanted to migrate from it to geonames though, for ubiquity as well
[14:21] <cyphermox> why?
[14:21] <cyphermox> it works just fine and needs next to nothing
[14:21] <seb128> I don't remember the details now :-/
[14:21] <cyphermox> tbh I would rather keep the ubiquity requirements minimal
[14:22] <seb128> but I think whatever we were using didn't work offline
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, right -- I've discussed geonames lib with larsu in past -- geonames doesn't expose this functionality either and I asked him to add it.  So I'm just looking to get this in while we (the u8 wizard) is still using libtimezonemap
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, libtimezonemap did work offline to my knowledge
[14:22] <seb128> mterry, k
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, I was very confused to see you guys making a new library, when we had one that does the same thing that you already maintained anyway
[14:22] <seb128> mterry, the unity-control-center panel didn't work offline for some reason
[14:22] <seb128> yeah
[14:22] <seb128> well, the one we have also depends on gtk
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, I think part of it worked offline and part of it worked online
[14:23] <seb128> which is something we want to get ride for the touch image
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, sure, that's very fixable  :)
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, but anyway.  I'm on board with a new library
[14:23] <seb128> anyway, I'm not going to defend the choice much since I didn't really got involved in it
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, I just wanted this one feature, and had already written it by the time I had heard you guys made a new library
[14:23] <seb128> and larsu left now
[14:23] <seb128> unsure what's the best and how we fix it
[14:23] <seb128> right
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, I'm +1 on geonames.  It's a better API
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, it just surprised me
[14:24] <mterry> seb128, but I already have this patch lying around, and we're currently still using libtimezonemap...
[14:24] <mterry> seb128, is geonames ready to use?
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, yeah, makes sense
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, we use it in unity-control-center in xenialm
[14:24] <seb128> which is sort of why I mentioned that we had as plan to port ubiquity
[14:24] <seb128> that didn't happen though
[14:25] <seb128> and larsu is not around anymore, so dunno if somebody is going to pick that up
[14:25] <mterry> seb128, does geonames have the map data?
[14:25] <mterry> seb128, ah  :(
[14:25] <seb128> yes
[14:25] <mterry> bummer
[14:25] <cyphermox> seb128: in that case, might want to drop the depends on libtimezonemap1?
[14:25] <cyphermox> (from unity-control-center)
[14:25] <mterry> seb128, so maybe I should look at porting my patch to geonames too...  But we don't have a maintainer for it now?
[14:26] <cyphermox> but it seems to me like NIH syndrome is getting pretty bad when we have a library that works just fine already.
[14:26] <seb128> mterry, no we don't :-/
[14:26] <seb128> cyphermox, well, as said the one we have use gtk and we want gtk off the phone image
[14:26] <cyphermox> ah, that changes things
[14:26] <seb128> but maybe we still need the map/widget side of libtimezonemap
[14:26] <mterry> Yeah, but it was only used for one part of the API
[14:26] <seb128> at least for ubiquity/u-c-c
[14:26] <cyphermox> but it's not ubiquity on the phone image anyway
[14:27] <seb128> right
[14:27] <mterry> We use libtimezonemap in the phone already, just not the gtk bits (obviously)
[14:27] <seb128> they are part of the same binary though iirc?
[14:28] <seb128> mterry, cyphermox, bug #1455223 was the main motivation for the work iirc
[14:28] <cyphermox> *shrugs* tbh, whatever, if you want to change libraries, who am I to say no? ;)
[14:28] <seb128> lol
[14:29] <cyphermox> as long as things work, I'll be happy
[14:29] <mterry> seb128, hmm...  maybe they are...?  in which case we need to split it or use geonames in our branch that addes timezone support  :)
[14:29] <Elleo> sil2100: all keyboards display fine without fonts-droid (and without adding fonts-noto), so all the other font packages we have installed already cover the fonts used by the keyboard, not sure if I should explicitly depend on one or more of them though
[14:29] <mterry> seb128, yeah I'm happy to have a new library.  And the new one seems as well maintained as the old one at this point  :)
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, cyphermox, let's not bother about it now, I don't think that's important enough to be on top of the priority list
[14:29] <cyphermox> mterry: geonames or ubuntu-geonames?
[14:30] <seb128> I was just mentioning it
[14:30] <cyphermox> I also get to care about ubuntu-geonames ;)
[14:30] <seb128> if that was the only thing keeping gtk+ on the touch image I would push to do something
[14:30] <seb128> but at this point it's not
[14:30] <cyphermox> (incidently, this may be part of the culprit for lookups online)
[14:30] <mterry> seb128, the branch using libtimezonemap is not on the image yet
[14:30] <Elleo> sil2100: we only explicitly use the ubuntu font, so I might just add a dep for that
[14:31] <seb128> mterry, yeah, but settings use it for the tz selection iirc
[14:31] <seb128> mterry, so it's already there
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, ah true.  That library should just be split then
[14:31] <seb128> yeah
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, or geonames  :)
[14:31] <seb128> right, rather than I think
[14:31] <seb128> but that's a backlog item rather than a now one
[14:32] <mterry> cyphermox, alright...  let me try to redo my patch for geonames before you review it
[14:32] <cyphermox> mterry: like I said, ubuntu-geonames or lp:geonames?
[14:32] <cyphermox> I know nothing of lp:geonames :)
[14:33] <mterry> cyphermox, I assume ubuntu-geonames?  let me check
[14:33] <mterry> cyphermox, nope, not that
[14:33] <Elleo> sil2100: is there already a bug for getting rid of fonts-droid somewhere?
[14:33] <cyphermox> otherwise I can try to review but it won't be as helpful
[14:33] <mterry> cyphermox, yeah lp:geonames
[14:34] <mterry> cyphermox, I bet you're an indirect member of ~geonames-dev (you and 97 others), so you're just as qualified as anyone but Lars  :)
[14:34] <cyphermox> am I still on the desktop team?
[14:35] <mterry> cyphermox, *I* am
[14:35] <cyphermox> ah, actually you're right, I'm indirectly a member
[14:36] <cyphermox> I just don't do as much gtk/glib as before
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, so you system settings folk want to switch to geonames, but just haven't yet?
[14:38] <sil2100> Elleo: hey! Not sure if there is one
[14:39] <seb128> mterry, I didn't talk to the other guys about it, but yeah ideally since we don't want to depends on gtk and the lib we current use does
[14:39] <mterry> seb128, OK, maybe by making this patch, I'll become a Lars understudy and would know how to port something
[14:39] <seb128> ;-)
[14:40] <Elleo> sil2100: okay, will make one quickly then
[14:40] <Elleo> sil2100: now that ubuntu-keyboard-japanese has landed can we add it to the seed?
[14:51] <sil2100> Elleo: the seed change has been released to the overlay already :)
[14:52] <sil2100> Elleo: the xenial one is waiting for ubuntu-keyboard to migrate from -proposed
[14:52] <Elleo> sil2100: ah, awesome, thanks :)
[14:58] <kenvandine> barry, any update on a fix for bug 1508081 ?
[14:59] <sil2100> Elleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1468027 <- there's something like this for the font-droid it seems
[14:59] <Elleo> sil2100: thanks
[15:04] <barry> kenvandine: still working out how to test it ;)
[15:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^
[15:06] <dobey> Elleo: hi! do you know how i can construct a DownloadsList object in my tests?
[15:07] <mterry> seb128, doesn't look like geonames has map data after all.  So libtimezonemap still has a purpose
[15:07] <mterry> seb128, (we can move it over of course, but I don't know how gtk-specific that code is..  ltinkl might know)
[15:07] <mterry> ltinkl, we were just talking about geonames and libtimezonemap.  How gtk-specific is the map info in libtimezonemap?
[15:07] <ltinkl> mterry, I think there's a GtkWidget
[15:07] <JamesTait> Ooh, this could be interesting: http://igg.me/at/nexdock/x/8233005
[15:07] <mterry> ltinkl, but you managed to use map data without using gtk (i.e. in the wizard), right?
[15:07] <mterry> ltinkl, I'm just wondering how hard it would be to move that code over to geonames
[15:07] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah... and now that we have our own assets, I'll check again what's left of that dependency
[15:08] <seb128> mterry, k, thanks for looking at it
[15:09] <seb128> I guess we can ask questions to larsu on #ubuntu-desktop, he's still around (though he might be off irc atm, I didn't seem him recently, maybe on vac on between the old and new job)
[15:09] <mterry> ltinkl, we use our own assets, so we're not using libtimezonemap for the data?
[15:09] <ltinkl> mterry, ah right yes, for getting the details (name, coords, etc)
[15:10] <mterry> ltinkl, but not for the map?  So we have our own internal copy of that data?  Yikes, yeah we should move that to a central location, like geonames
[15:10] <ltinkl> mterry, for the map too, it reuses the same database as well
[15:11] <ltinkl> mterry, Depends: libtimezonemap-data
[15:11] <Elleo> dobey: /22
[15:11] <Elleo> oops
[15:11] <Elleo> dobey: in what context?
[15:12] <mterry> ltinkl, right, but we have our own copy of the map images you're saying?
[15:12] <Elleo> dobey: are these C++ tests?
[15:12] <ltinkl> mterry, yes, own images, same shared DB
[15:12] <mterry> ltinkl, right, so we should get those images into a shared location (i.e. geonames I guess)
[15:12] <dobey> Elleo: yes, gmock unit tests. i'm trying to call the MetadataDownloadsListCb of a call to getAllDownloadsWithMetadata (which is itself mocked)
[15:13] <Elleo> dobey: have you taken a look at what the udm unittests do?
[15:13] <dobey> no
[15:14] <Elleo> dobey: tests/downloads/client/test_client_manager.cpp <-- might be the best place to look
[15:14] <Elleo> dobey: iirc you get a choice of either getting a downloadslist returned to you from a callback or from a signal
[15:16] <dobey> Elleo: hmm, i don't see it actually creating any DownloadsList in there
[15:21] <dobey> Elleo: or i guess i need to provide a mock implementation for that too, since the daemon implementation is private?
[15:22] <Elleo> dobey: ah yeah, sorry, it doesn't create a downloadslist it just receives one
[15:39] <Seferi> Hi, I was on the rc-proposed and kinda bricked my E5 after adding a PPA and updating.. :( It hangs on the bq screen at the boot. I tried "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap" it transfers the files to the phone on fastboot but after reboot it hangs on bq screen again. And terminal fails with " Failed to enter Recovery"  I can't enter to recovery manually either (Power + Volume up). I t
[15:39] <Seferi> What can i do to recover?
[15:42] <Elleo> sil2100: actually turns out removing fonts-droid does lose characters, just none of the obvious ones (you only find them if you input certain things in chinese and they get suggested on the word ribbon)
[15:43] <sil2100> Elleo: ok, so we'll have to reinclude the other recommended package then...
[15:43] <Elleo> sil2100: fonts-noto doesn't have chinese characters, fonts-noto-cjk does but it's over 100MB extra space taken up
[15:43] <sil2100> Wow
[15:43] <sil2100> hm, how much was noto-droid then?
[15:43] <sil2100> I mean
[15:43] <sil2100> font-droid?
[15:44] <Elleo> fonts-droid was 15MB
[15:44] <sil2100> Oh crap
[15:44] <Elleo> fonts-noto-cjk is ~110MB
[15:44] <Elleo> haven't actually tested fonts-noto-cjk yet, as it's taking a *long* time to run fontconfig on that... ;)
[15:45] <sil2100> hah, well, I would say it's not feasible to include that in touch anyway...
[15:45] <Elleo> yeah
[15:45] <sil2100> Could you join #ubuntu-devel and poke LocutusOfBorg about it? He's the main guy driving the whole initiative
[15:46] <Elleo> sure
[15:46] <sil2100> He might have some more knowledge about the actual font packages
[15:47] <Seferi> Where can i get help about my problem?
[15:52] <ck_mfc> anyone already tried to encrypt his phone?
[15:52] <P_E_T_O> hi, when I translate touch to my language, can I import it in it and test it?
[15:58] <peat-psuwit> abeato: Have you had a look at my oFono PR?
[15:58] <abeato> peat-psuwit, yes, a quick look, not time to do a full code review yet
[16:01] <peat-psuwit> abeato: Thank you.
[16:01] <abeato> yw
[16:07] <jgdx> mzanetti, hey, were you able to work around bug 1498683?
[16:11] <mzanetti> jgdx, no
[16:22] <Seferi> Hi, I was on the rc-proposed and kinda bricked my E5 after adding a PPA and updating.. :( It hangs on the bq screen at the boot. I tried "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap" it transfers the files to the phone on fastboot but after reboot it hangs on bq screen again. And terminal fails with " Failed to enter Recovery"  I can't enter to recovery manually either (Power + Volume up). I tri
[16:22] <Seferi> ed "fastboot -w" to wipe userdata and cache and tried installing again with same result...
[16:22] <Seferi> What can i do?
[16:34] <mhall119> hey guys, who's working on the system-settings app?
[16:35] <greyback> Seferi: holding down Power+VolUp should work. Is good to release power when the LED goes red as it reboots. You can then choose fastboot, and try the ubuntu-device-flash command above
[16:35] <greyback> Seferi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5 a good guide
[16:44] <Seferi> @greyback I will try and report back mate, thanks
[16:45] <greyback> Seferi: it should be fine. Ensure device has charge too, sometimes that helps
[16:55] <amazoniantoad> Is there any kind of app for spotify?
[17:19] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:33] <timeax> Hi peoples
[17:33] <timeax> I need some help...i'm stuck
[17:34] <timeax> Is there somebody who can help me in porting ubuntu touch on my phone?
[17:35] <timeax> When i launch the make command it stop during the build
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[18:37] <timeax> Yeahhh its buidingggg :D
[19:10] <smaximus> hi+
[19:14] <smaximus> any news on xperia z1 and ubuntu?
[19:18] <k1l> the z1 was presented at mwc, iirc
[19:22] <smaximus> yes
[19:45] <sergiusens> renatu, when are you updating your tracker app? :-)
[19:45] <sergiusens> renatu, just wanted to say hello, the app is fine as it is fwiw ;-)
[19:46] <renatu> sergiusens, I  thought nobody was using that :D
[19:46] <renatu> sergiusens, how are you?
[19:53] <sergiusens> renatu, doing fine, do you use it though?
[19:53] <sergiusens> renatu, just a lot of snapcrafting going on my side
[19:54] <Bray90820> Can I install ubuntu touch on any computer that supports the desktop version?
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> no
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> Bray90820: for the desktop unity8 will come
[19:57] <Bray90820> So unity 8 is  not out yet for the desktop?
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> Bray90820: you can test it already yes, but not final yet
[19:57] <k1l> Bray90820: there is a test install with lxc
[19:58] <Bray90820> I am wondering because I have touchscreen netbook that I wanted to try it on
[19:58] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[19:58] <Bray90820> Thanks
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> Bray90820: ive tested it in 16.04 but as i say, its not final yet, looks pretty simple still
[19:59] <Bray90820> How well does it work for not being GM yet
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> Bray90820: i personally didnt test the touch part, just mouse and feeled stable
[20:00] <k1l> its not a full desktop yet.
[20:00] <Bray90820> I was gonna test it on a 10 inch touch screen
[20:02] <Bray90820> Does unity 8 come with its own touch screen different from onboard?
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> Bray90820: didnt test the touch part myself, maybe you can test
[20:03] <Bray90820> Alright
[20:09] <dobey> Bray90820: unity8 uses ubuntu-keyboard which is based on mailit, for the keyboard
[20:09] <Bray90820> dobey: thanks
[20:32] <xhoch3> heyho
[20:34] <xhoch3> if I want to make modifications to the ubuntu touch base system, where would I start?
[20:38] <xhoch3> so I was reading this: https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/06/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-2-devices-and-images/
[20:39] <xhoch3> but actually I just want to help improve the "official" image
[20:39] <dobey> what changes do you want to make?
[20:39] <xhoch3> like performance optimization, visual changes, etc.
[20:40] <dobey> you probably want to join the ubuntu-phone mailing list
[20:40] <xhoch3> I am a coder, but actually I have never developed operating systems
[20:40] <dobey> and read the archives
[20:40] <dobey> and otherwise, just generally follow the bugs list for the bits you're interested in helping with, and providing patches to fix things, if you can
[20:41] <xhoch3> ok, joined here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[20:41] <Bray90820> Installing unity 5 takes a year and a half :P
[20:42] <Bray90820> Or unity 8 I meant
[20:43] <xhoch3> well, idk, I just feel like I want to do something useful but I can't find any place like "here's the source, go for it" :)
[20:43] <xhoch3> I mean, there are the core apps
[20:44] <xhoch3> but what about the base system? ie. not the apps running on it, but the whole stack below
[20:45] <k1l> xhoch3: the mailinglist is a good place for that, imho. and i think help is appreciated :)
[20:52] <xhoch3> k1l, ok, I have just dropped a mail there
[21:52] <dobey> xhoch3: the source is everywhere. :)
[21:54] <k1l> schrödingers source? its there and not there at the same time :)
[22:00] <dobey> no. the source is there (well, except for proprietary driver blobs and such)
[22:01] <dobey> it's just in a bunch of different places
[22:27] <Stunts> Is there a Ubuntu-touch bluetooth specific channel?