[03:01] Maaz tell magespawn I think /usr/local is recommended. And then /opt is used by what I can best describe as "application bundles", say proprietary software that doesn't fit neatly into the normal fhs. I have "firefox-developer MYGUI OGRE phpstorm teamviewer unigine-valley" for example [03:01] theblazehen: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode [05:03] morning everyone [05:23] hi Kilos [05:25] hi theblazehen [05:25] inetpro will you do the G+ and tweet reminders please [05:26] or chesedo [05:27] Maaz announce Meeting tonight , here, at 20.30 everybody [05:27] Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tonight , here, at 20.30 everybody [06:04] mornings [06:08] morning [06:09] hi thatgraemeguy dlPhreak [06:10] How are you doing theblazehen ? [06:10] Alright and you dlPhreak? [06:13] Tired. My insomnia had me up till 3am.. nothing that a crap tonne of caffeine won't take care of tho. [06:15] hi theblazehen dlPhreak [06:15] Morning Kilos [06:16] dlPhreak: Sucks.. Yeah, couldn't sleep either. got 2 hours at most. At least I feel like I had a *lot* of coffee, although I didn't actually. It's actually a kind of awesome feeling [06:16] Hi Kilos [06:16] hi theblazehen too [06:16] I know that feeling. [06:17] dlPhreak: You also get that like really wired feeling? [06:17] I do this from time to time. [06:18] When I haven't slept for more than a day, I feel slightly nauseated and I just want to be in sunlight. [06:19] Wow, that sucks. Yeah, doesn't happen often for me. Only when I skip my meds. So I can choose when I do it. Really useful if you have an exam the next day.. [06:20] Lol I actually like it. [06:22] you people need serious medical help [06:22] I would sleep 12 hours a day if I could :-p [06:23] thatgraemeguy: Yeah, I got :) It's just when I don't have that I can't sleep, I normally aim for 9 hours [06:24] if only! [06:24] If I sleep more than 6 hours I just feel groggy and lazy. [06:25] Wow, it would be awesome if I could sleep that little... Did that (6 hours) for a few weeks before, it was hell [06:25] hi cal_py [06:26] morning Kilos hows the head? [06:26] bit better ty [06:26] It took me weeks to build the habbit. [06:26] takes coupla days after heavy physical stuff [06:26] good good [06:26] habit* [06:27] morning dlPhreak [06:27] cal [06:27] How's your i3 install coming? [06:28] good just need to figure out how to set up wifi networks in ubuntu minimal [06:28] NetworkManager [06:30] wpa_passphrse and moding /etc/network/interfaces [06:31] cal_py: I find netctl is easier [06:31] does it come with ubuntu-minimal theblazehen [06:32] cal_py: Not sure, I don't think it's compatible with network manager though [06:32] is network manager the gui tool? [06:32] I'm running arch, so I can choose which I one [06:33] AFAIK there are GUI interfaces and CLI interfaces to network manager [06:33] NetworkManager is the default one in ubuntu but you can use nmcli [06:33] my plan, get wifi, install i3 [06:33] wpa_supplicant is a biatch. [06:34] unless you write to op to a file [06:35] http://paste.pound-python.org/show/1qIEBOGEkEFmNoA3R65j/ my netctl wifi config [06:35] Quite simple [06:36] Yeah I've used netctl on gentoo and it was pretty easy. [06:39] ahhhhh, everyone is pro netctl [06:41] I should probably star working. . [06:43] na, [06:47] morning all [06:47] Kilos: will see in a bit [06:49] np [06:55] i've given up how do i use netctl [07:05] nvm, got it working :) :) :) [07:05] wpa_supplicant? [07:07] not really, just wrote the networks details to /etc/network/interfaces [07:07] GG [07:38] morning all [08:00] HELP! [08:01] I need somebody! [08:02] Help with?? [08:03] I can only startx as root [08:04] oh boy! [08:04] * chesedo has no idea how to handle that... [08:05] have you checked the logs? [08:05] how did you get to there [08:05] I installed ubuntu minimal and i3\ [08:05] you can become root [08:05] does sudo not work? [08:06] does minimal even need X? [08:06] i guess it does if you want i3 [08:06] cal_py sudo not working as root [08:06] ?? [08:07] if you must become root you can sudo -i but not wise if sudo works [08:09] problem is that startx wont work at my normal user level it only works as root [08:09] ok try sudo -i [08:09] then you are root [08:09] He doesn't want to run it as root. [08:10] cant he then go change permissions so user can startx as well [08:12] how do you do that? [08:12] cal_py: I've dealt with that before [08:12] Can you post your ~/.xinitrc ? [08:12] how do i slay this dragon theblazehen ? [08:13] I remember it was quite simple. Post your xinitrc let me see. Do you have wgetpaste? Then you can just wgetpaste ~/.xinitrc [08:14] Oh, and also rm ~/.Xauthority then try again as a normal user [08:15] thats the error it says it can lock .Xauthority [08:15] *acnt [08:15] *cant [08:16] After you ran rm on it? Okay [08:16] What's your xinitrc? [08:16] That was one of my problems before I think [08:18] is wgetpaste a program? [08:18] Yeah. Might be in repos [08:19] cal_py: https://www.question-defense.com/2009/10/22/wgetpaste-upload-directly-to-pastebin-from-the-linux-shell [08:23] wifi died [08:23] keeps doing that [08:29] cal_py: Keeps failing? I need to see your ~/.xinitrc so I can see if the problem is there [08:30] ive downloaded and extracted wgetpaste [08:30] but cant seem to figure out how to use it [08:31] cal_py: Ok `cat ~/.xinitrc | curl -F 'clbin=<-' https://clbin.com` should work [08:33] .xinitrc: No such file [08:38] Do you have a .xinitrc in your /root? [08:38] lemme check [08:39] /root is empty [08:40] I think ubuntu ignores the .xinitrc. [08:41] maybe its because i chaged my password after install [08:42] What password? [08:42] user password [08:42] cal_py: cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc [08:42] then edit it to launch the desktop you want [08:43] The filename in /etc/X11 might be a bit different on Ubuntu [08:43] as root? [08:44] no, normal user [08:44] ok i have copied xinitrc, so what do i put in the file to start i3? [08:44] does it mention starting anything else at the bottom? Remove that [08:45] then at the end add `exec i3` [08:45] cal_py: Just mention my name when you reply, so I get a notification [08:46] ok theblazehen, must i reboot now? [08:46] cal_py: Nah, just run startx again [08:46] ok it just hangs [08:46] theblazehen, sorry keep forgetting to link your name [08:47] Ok, meaning black screen, or does it show the lines showing that Xorg is starting? [08:47] theblazehen, after a while i get the unable to lock .Xauthority [08:47] Ok [08:47] nope in terminal theblazehen [08:47] Ok [08:48] theblazehen, now it's in a blank screen look slike its trying to start [08:48] cal_py: Ok. If it doesn't start can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log with the command above? [08:51] one sec theblazehen [08:55] theblazehen, pastebin.com/8677NrS1 [08:58] cal_py: Maybe try and add your user to the video and input groups? Didn't see anything strange in the logs. Or you can test a .xinitrc with only `exec i3` in it, and if that doesn't work `exec xterm` or whatever you have installed [09:00] how do i add user to those groups? theblazehen [09:01] cal_py: sudo usermod -a -G video $USER [09:01] and same for inpu [09:01] t [09:01] $USER being my username? [09:03] there seems to be no input group [09:03] yes. Or you can leave it as $USER, that's an env var that has your username [09:03] Ok, and you're added to video? [09:03] Give it a go again [09:03] yep [09:03] alright [09:04] still the same thing theblazehen [09:04] cal_py: And with only exec i3 in your ,xinitrc? [09:05] yep [09:05] ai! [09:06] Hmm. And you can't use a really simple display manager such as slim? It's what I use, should work for you. no KMS on nvidia :( [09:09] I think i found the issue theblazehen [09:09] cal_py: What was it? [09:12] just rebooting to confirm [09:15] ahhhh youre ganna wanna kill me theblazehen it was ecryptfs-mount-private [09:15] Ahh.. haha. It's all cool cal_py [09:16] so do i have to run that every time i boot? [09:16] cal_py: which? ecryptfs-mount-private ? [09:17] yeah [09:20] You could eg do in xinitrc `encryptfs-mount-private; exec i3` [09:27] it needs a password everytime theblazehen [09:28] cal_py: For when you start it? So then you need to do it before startx or what? [09:28] Does normal ubuntu do that transaprently? [09:29] maybe check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ECryptfs#Auto-mounting [09:29] i have todo it before i startx but it needs a password [09:35] cal_py: check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ECryptfs#Auto-mounting maybe? [09:37] trying it now theblazehen [09:39] theblazehen, i dont have system-auth in pam.d [09:44] cal_py: Hmm, alright. Have a look in the files in /etc/X11/xinit. See if they mention anything, then you can just merge that into your .xinitrc [09:47] theblazehen, theres two files xinitrc and xserverrc [09:48] i'm not sure what i looking for [09:48] *I'm [09:48] in xinitrc, any mention of anything related to ecryptfs? [09:53] nope just startx stuff [09:54] Okay. And with normal ubuntu login you don't need to do that/ [09:54] ? * [09:55] Other option is having a look at another way to automate the mounting of ecryptfs [09:55] maybe echo password | ecryptfs-mount-private or something [09:57] and the put that in xinitrc? [09:59] theblazehen, inappropriate ioctl for device [10:01] theblazehen, found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/411702/ubuntu-12-04-keyring-broken-signature-not-found-in-user-keyring-perhaps-try-the [10:02] Just install arch.. [10:04] dlPhreak: Easiest solution :) cal_py yeah, you can try it inxinitrc [10:04] fixed :) [10:04] what distro do you use theblazehen [10:05] http://i.imgur.com/DO6T3m7.png anyone know what that is trying to tell me? [10:05] no tooltip on mouseover [10:05] cal_py: Arch. Easiest one for me, as I know how all the components fit together etc, so I find it easier to see what to fix if things break. Also, rolling release, and has very up to date packages [10:06] thatgraemeguy: Laptop? Is your touchpad turned off maybe? [10:06] I installed manjaro netinstall the other day. [10:06] yeah i;ve heard that, I tried insalling it but us quite hectic for a noob [10:06] theblazehen: laptop yes, I just used the touchpad to test, works [10:12] good day all [10:12] magespawn: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell magespawn I think /usr/local is recommended. And then /opt is used by what I can best describe as "application bundles", say proprietary software that doesn't fit neatly into the normal fhs. I have "firefox-developer MYGUI OGRE phpstorm teamviewer unigine-valley" for example" 7 hours, 11 minutes and [10:12] 24 seconds ago [10:13] wifi wont work now :( [10:13] thanks theblazehen [10:16] cal_py: that sucks.. [10:16] what do you thin netctl? [10:17] does it re-write /etc/network/interfaces [10:19] Nah, iirc /etc/network/ is managed by network manager. netctl is its own thing [10:19] hmmmmm, [13:09] Hi === qwebirc23332 is now known as Iqbal [13:11] Need some help with setting up my wireless network connection [13:12] Please [13:16] Anybody out there? [13:19] hey Iqbal what seems to be the fault? [14:10] chat later, see you all at the meeting [14:53] ai! major telkom server crash. got some voda airtime so i can make tonights meeting [14:53] sjoe [15:12] inetpro you gonna find karl for us [15:12] ?? [15:33] Is it a public meeting? [15:33] yes [15:33] everyone welcome [15:34] did you get the mail in the list dlPhreak ? [15:34] I might make it. I have band practice 6-8 so as long as we don't get wasted I will come. [15:34] Lol I still haven't joined the mailling list.. [15:34] ^__^ [15:34] WHYYYYY [15:34] Not that I read my email anyway. [15:34] I only read my work email these days. [15:35] Lemme just do it right now. [15:35] go to the site and join us on launchpad [15:36] and dont get wasted tonight [15:36] ohi superfly [15:36] i dont know how to get hold of karl so he doesnt forget tonights meeting [15:37] dlPhreak you just as naughty as you were when you were dlimit [15:38] I prefer the word devious.. XD [15:38] naughty [15:38] skelm [15:38] slack [15:38] sleg [15:38] Hahaha yeah that's me [15:38] lol [15:39] you used to be in port shepstone area? or have i got you mixed up with someone else [15:40] Yes, Margate. [15:40] My buddy cal is in south port on the other side of port sheptstone. [15:42] ah i know that area in memory a bit [15:42] i built all those prefab exchange buidings down the coast many years ago [15:42] Cryterion meeting tonight hey [15:43] Gotta go chat laterz [15:43] yes, read your mail, I'll be around here [15:43] lol ty [15:50] Hi [16:49] i hope inetpro hasnt got telkom probs as well also too [16:52] hi cal_py glad you could make it [16:53] 1 1/2 hours to go [16:53] for sure Kilos [16:53] is your i3 fixed [16:53] 85% hahaha [16:53] i looked at that but not my cup of tea [16:54] i like something that just works like kubuntu [16:54] I like the fact that you use all of your screen real estate, to me that a cool concept [16:55] i just add workspaces, 10 gives me more than enough to do everything [16:56] haha I would hope so! [17:00] i go eat, keep an eye open for kmf please, im hoping he gets here before the meeting starts [17:05] Hi [17:05] hi qwebirc2207 === qwebirc2207 is now known as Iqbal [17:05] ah hi Iqbal [17:06] im just eating then ill be back [17:06] Thanks for your help last week. I was out of town [17:06] but hang around for our meeting at 20.30 too [17:06] thats why we are here [17:08] My laptop miraculously started up with my Ubuntu 12 cd [17:10] I reinstalled 12, now just need to install the drivers for the wireless connection [17:17] iq [17:17] ai! [17:51] hi kmf [17:51] Kilos: here's kmf [17:52] yay ty superfly [17:52] kmf wb i was fretting [17:52] @Kilos @superfly relax :) [17:52] hahaha [17:52] ty [17:52] * superfly is always relaxed [17:52] kmf: this is not Twitter [17:53] ya leave the @ out [17:53] Kilos, superfly jammer ... force of habit [17:53] kmf i wanted to ask you a few things about the project [17:53] yes go for it [17:54] there is some interest in the list as well, hope wwk can make it tonight [17:54] first where are you going to do the work on the pcs [17:55] if we can get you some helpers we will need to know that [17:55] excellent question ... my wife was asking the same thing [17:55] lol [17:55] second question [17:55] ask all and I will respond when you are done [17:55] where can you get pcs from to rebuild [17:56] no man my brain works one thing at a time [18:00] good mornings [18:00] ohi inetpro wb [18:00] morning inetpro [18:01] thought the telkom server crash had got you as well [18:01] since it's community project the loco member can format and install a donated machine [18:01] Kilos: no it's just an ordinary crash of the system at the end of another busy day [18:02] they still havent got it fixed, since 11.30 this morning [18:02] Kilos, I can't be the single point of failure :) ... it's a distributed project for max impact [18:03] Kilos: I mean my own system is just tired [18:03] i have bento running on desktop in front of me with hexchat trying to connect [18:04] inetpro get some 33% food grade peroxide [18:04] kmf: where do we get old systems to refurbish? [18:04] as for the second question, Kilos, my mother is running a donation bank ... so she gets quite a few computers in [18:04] 3 drops in a glass of water 3 times a day helps your system lekker [18:04] Kilos: I'm good thanks [18:04] haha [18:05] Kilos ... keeping you regular :) [18:05] nono it helps for feeling tired and gets your system working properly [18:05] the important things, not the poop tube [18:05] any normal person needs a rest at the end of a working day [18:06] Kilos ... ah the "System" firing on all cylinders [18:06] yip [18:06] hi fusionsparc [18:06] well kmf well try get you some helpers and then worry bout where to do it [18:07] Hi Kilos...how are you? [18:07] and then we push for the logo thing [18:07] Kilos: don't stop asking the questions now [18:07] good tyand you [18:07] lol [18:07] Kilos need to disconnect and switch connections .... see you at 20:30 [18:07] can't get this 3letter dude get away so easily [18:08] good...:)...the week is one day shorter.. [18:08] ok kmf [18:08] lol [18:08] he has got me excited about this inetpro [18:08] but i think we need to make the [18:08] um [18:09] um [18:09] condition [18:09] that he spends more time here [18:10] Maaz google health benefits of taking food grade peroxide [18:10] Kilos: "Food Grade Peroxide Cures - Earth Clinic" http://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/food-grade-hydrogen-peroxide-cures.html :: "Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide's Health Benefits - Livestrong.com" http://www.livestrong.com/article/491009-food-grade-hydrogen-peroxides-health-benefits/ :: "Food-Grade Hydrogen Peroxide Health Benefits - YouTube" [18:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXWXhp6aFuw :: "Hydrogen Peroxide natural traditional remedies - Grow Youthful" h… [18:10] inetpro lees die goed [18:11] you can ask ian how it has helped him [18:11] you are too young to always be tired [18:13] Hi, meeting at 20:30? [18:13] yip [18:13] Kilos: I'm not that tired, seriously [18:13] read the links [18:13] just an excuse [18:13] it helps for more than just tired [18:14] i need you guys to live a long time still [18:14] you have to hold the fort while im in aus [18:14] how long you going for? [18:14] 9 hour time zone diffs is heavy [18:14] you going down under Kilos [18:14] 3 months hopefully [18:15] nice [18:15] only 3 months? [18:15] awesome [18:15] * inetpro thought it would be 3 years at least [18:15] well thats how long they grant visas for [18:15] eish! [18:16] with luck it can be 20 years [18:16] why you think im into health things [18:16] hmm, and here in africa you get 1month [18:16] max [18:16] per year [18:16] ai! [18:16] wow [18:17] well costs to get there are much more [18:17] Cryterion: where's that? [18:17] well business visa anyway [18:17] Zambia [18:17] 30days per year [18:17] interesting [18:17] what can a business accomplish in 1 month [18:17] look for a workaround [18:18] don't try 20 in september then 20 following year in feb say, doesn't work [18:18] contractors [18:18] eish [18:18] im just gonna go rest [18:18] and get to know my daughter [18:19] and her mom of course [18:19] oh ill be late tomorrow [18:19] going hospital at 6 am [18:19] you ok? [18:20] ya just need prostate meds [18:20] ahh ok [18:20] but its a long thing in state hospitals [18:21] inetpro think of some questions for the 3 letter man [18:22] and explain this to me please [18:22] Kilos, I can't be the single point of failure :) ... it's a distributed project for max impact [18:22] we can maybe get approval and have subs in other areas [18:23] Kilos: it's called cheap labor [18:23] all ubuntu peeps are cheap labourers [18:24] oom Kilos and his buddies are the ones who will do the work for free [18:24] the payment is in the knowlege that you have done some good for others [18:24] wb kmf [18:25] chesedo you awake? [18:25] hmm, don't know :P [18:25] check you still got bot permisions [18:25] hi Langjan [18:25]