ubottuDebian bug 798490 in wnpp "RFP: carla -- audio plugin host supporting LADSPA, DSSI,LV2, VST2/3 and AU formats" [Wishlist,Open]00:54
sakrecoer_the guy from carla and kxstudio wrote last summer that he wanted to get down with debian, http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/friday-interview-2-falktx00:55
sakrecoer_from reading arround i get the feeling it is happening. althought i haven't digged deep enough to understand why linuxsampler would be a dependency of carla.00:58
sakrecoer_OvenWerks: re meterbridge, whats up with NON? http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Non%20Mixer02:21
sakrecoer_it's sexy as a bare-circuit robot http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Screenshots02:22
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: carla can be built without linux sampler I have done that here.03:36
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: no one has packaged it. But it would be much nicer if it supported LV2 plugins (and these days linux VSTs) many of the LV2 plugins are very nice and have no equal in ladspa.03:38
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: also if Ardour is hard for some people to figure out, the non-daw learning curve is much higher.03:39
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: I had thought that non-mixer would at least make a nice live mixer, but some  of the things I would want can not be easily used with it.03:40
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: with non-daw using the session manager is a must. Good thing the non-session manager is the best one around.03:41
OvenWerksbut people seem to have a hard time using more than LMMS (or things like iit) already.03:42
OvenWerkssakrecoer_: I am sorry the "it" in my second comment above is non-daw. There is no licencing issue so far as I know, just no one has packaged it. It is still being developed so far as I know.03:46
OvenWerkszequence: just updated 16.04 on my system. On shutdown there was a very long delay with no indication that the system was not hung. I hit ESC (which the average user might not know to do) and there was a note saying there is a shutdown job running and it was 47secs done out of 1 minute 30 seconds. I am not sure what package to bug this under or if xubuntu has done something with it.17:02
OvenWerksI will maybe bug plymouth if I don't hear back.17:03
OvenWerksoff to reboot again...17:04
flocculantOvenWerks: the 90seconds is the standard time systemd waits for something if it's not shutting down properly (apparently)17:04
flocculantI had similar last year - that was caused by serviio not having a .service file17:09
OvenWerksflocculant: it only did it once and the message made me think this was part of the SW upgrade/install17:26
OvenWerksbut being exactly 90 sec and having it shutdown right on time would point more to what you are saying for sure17:28
OvenWerksI am not worried about it taking longer than normal to shutdown so much as there being no indication to the user.17:28
OvenWerksflocculant: am I then correct to assume that if two things fail to shutdown correctly the wait time could be 3 minutes?17:29
OvenWerksAnyway... good news, (and I don't know how long ago this was fixed) the delay on session start when choosing the system menu is much shorter now.17:31
OvenWerksin 1404 the delay was as much as 20sec.17:32
flocculantOvenWerks: I can't answer that - but I'd assume the wait is concurrent17:37
flocculantOvenWerks: if it keeps happening - then I would guess there's something running not terminalting properly - about all I ever managed to find about logging shutdown was https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h117:44
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zequenceOvenWerks: Can't find a similar bug for qjackctl in Debian, and they have the same version18:09
zequenceI think it's related to XFCE somehow, though. Or something else DE specific18:10
zequenceOn Gnome, which nowadays has support for traditional systray icons, has no problems18:11
zequenceactually, perhaps it has to do with indicator support18:12
zequenceIt will only misbehave when I add indicator support to Gnome18:12
zequenceBut, then what happens is the icon in the indicator area is non responsive. No menu, nothing18:13
zequenceWe should find out more, and send a bug report to Rui18:14
zequenceDisabling indicator support should be fairly easy to do with a patch, as a fix18:14
zequenceI suspect this is an old bug. Perhaps to do with qt?18:16
zequencebug 97041218:16
ubottubug 1294056 in qjackctl (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #970412 Qjackctl systray icon shows no menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129405618:16
zequencePerhaps to do with qt518:17
OvenWerkszequence: I know Rui has just in the past year released with qt5 available (or maybe that is as default).18:20
zequenceqjackctl only switched to qt5 with the latest update18:22
zequenceYou can see that in the debian changelog18:22
zequenceapt-get changelog qjackctl18:22
OvenWerksit should be buildable with qt4 still... I may download the source and see if that helps... if so then it is a source bug.18:23
* OvenWerks guess he will need yet another install partition to mess up with building tools :P18:28
zequenceOvenWerks: If you don't mind the reduced performance, you can always use a virtual system, which you can backup18:30
zequenceI used to that for linux-lowlatency at the end, so I always had a system setup for that - one which I could easily add to any OS18:31
zequenceI used to that for linux-lowlatency at the end, so I always had a system setup for that - one which I could easily add to any OS20:04
zequenceOh, sorry20:04

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