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Guest22825Hi, I have a question about the command "apt-get dist-upgrade".00:18
Guest22825If I want to stay with the exact the same kernel number that come with the 14.04.400:19
pilneunless it is studio specific i might be able to help00:19
Guest22825I will never use such command correct?00:19
pilnewell dist-upgrade also updates packages that require changes/removal of other packages, not just the kernel00:20
pilnethis might be a better way to manage locking the kernel version, but might also restrict you to using synaptic for package management: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3379/is-there-a-way-to-disable-kernel-updates00:21
Guest22825I have just installed 14.04.4 yesterday, and right now my kernel number is 4.2, and I don't know how to avoid it :)00:22
pilnenot sure why you would?00:22
Guest22825Here is my situation, I try my best not to use any ppa.00:23
Guest22825But there is this super important ppa that I added in order to install the most recent flashplayer from google.00:24
Guest22825That ppa is "http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu".00:26
Guest22825Here is the sequece of my command.00:27
Guest22825"sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer"00:27
derp_commandercoming to you from the world's latest installation of Ubuntu Studio :-)00:27
Guest22825"sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin"00:27
Guest22825"sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"00:27
Guest22825"sudo apt-get update"00:28
Guest22825"sudo apt-get install freshplayerplugin"00:28
derp_commanderI've heard it's better aptitude as an end user, because aptitude does conflict resolution00:28
Guest22825"sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"00:28
derp_commanderapt-get is the low-level system command00:28
Guest22825"sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install"00:28
derp_commander*better to use aptitude00:29
Guest22825Can you explain what aptitude is?00:29
pilneif i'm not mistaken, apt has been "updated" to be as good as aptitude in the recent past00:30
pilnei don't even see pepperflash in that repository00:31
derp_commanderpilne: the apt command is a little more user-friendly than aptitude, but like *Nix in general, it's still very selective of who its friends are ;-P00:31
pilnehah, so very true00:32
pilnenow that i've finally gotten comfortable with virtualenv for python, and stack for haskell, i'm not quite sure i'm a programmer at heart (i'm glad it is just a hobby) but i constantly have drum patterns and bass lines going through my head, so... why not try this stuff out (:00:33
pilnei see a "freshplayerplugin"00:34
derp_commanderapt/apt-get versus aptitude is somewhat of a personal preference, and aptitude no longer comes installed by default on ubuntu, but I tend to prefer it (even if it's more to type :-P)00:35
Guest22825I see00:35
pilnei do use both, i usually use aptitude if apt is giving me the runaround00:35
pilnebut i tend to go for apt first00:35
pilneand frig i need a new mouse.... even compressed air has not remedied my dying left mouse button >.<00:36
pilneand really, i'm not a fan of pinning a kernel version... so i've never really researched it00:38
Guest22825Now, beside the commands I gave you. I ended it with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".00:38
Guest22825I should not end my command with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" right?00:39
pilnei'm really not sure why you wouldn't exactly?00:39
Guest22825Because of "dist-upgrade", too many update came with it.00:40
Guest22825I think that is how I got my kernel number updated.00:41
pilneunless the updates "break" something, why would it be too many? if you want to just get the updates that are packages already installed without massive changes, just do sudo apt-get upgrade00:42
Guest22825I shouldn't because, I should be able to install my flash player without dist-upgrade.00:42
pilneif the flash player installed, there is no need to run upgrade or dist-upgrade to use it afaik00:43
pilnealso, if that ppa has anything newer of what you have installed, it will use those to update your local copies by default00:44
Guest22825I always think I need to run three command everyday "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade", and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.00:45
Guest22825How do I know if I need those newer ones or not?00:46
pilnei run the first two, and only run dist-upgrade if i get the "packages have been held back" message. In general newer software is better software unless you are living on the bleeding edge (IMHO).00:46
Guest22825What if I never want the newer ones?00:47
pilnewhy on earth wouldn't you want potential bugfixes and improvements???00:47
Guest22825Because I am afraid it would break something else.00:47
Guest22825I see. I might be able to trust what might come with this ppa, then?00:48
Guest22825I always wonder what this ppa may do....00:49
pilnei've never used that one, but i have used webupd8 stuff in general without any issues. ppa's are always a bit of a risk due to the fact they are community maintained and not as rigorously tested as "cannon" repos.00:49
Guest22825I see.00:50
Guest22825One more question about kernel update. If 14.04.4 comes with kernel 3.19, why the os would update the kernel to 4.2 later?00:54
Guest22825I think I should lock my os. By looking at the link you gave, I can lock my kernel :)00:56
Guest22825Should I lock anything else from update, however?00:56
krytarik!hwe | Guest2282500:57
ubottuGuest22825: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack00:57
Guest22825I see.01:00
Guest22825I saw Ubuntu Studio 14.04.4, which was released yesterday, and I keep thinking it is not ready for kernel 4.201:01
Guest22825Because it came with kernel 3.19.01:01
Guest22825Now, I learn something.01:01
Guest22825Thank you.01:01
Guest22825Now, one more question, please.01:02
Guest22825I heard from someone over the internet, that he/she would lock his/her kernel.01:03
Guest22825Because he/she thinks the OS would be more stable.01:03
Guest22825What else that person may lock?01:04
Guest22825I also heard that he/she would use super minimum ppa.01:04
sakrecoer_Guest22825: if by "locking" you mean "securing", you should probably ask in #ubuntu.01:12
sakrecoer_The percs of having a production-machine _off-line_ : you don't need security updates. i know 2stations are not given to all, but sometimes we forget internet still has an offplugg. :)01:19
Guest22825I see.01:23
Guest22825Thank you.01:24
Guest22825See you.01:24
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