[00:18] <Guest22825> Hi, I have a question about the command "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[00:19] <Guest22825> If I want to stay with the exact the same kernel number that come with the 14.04.4
[00:19] <pilne> unless it is studio specific i might be able to help
[00:19] <Guest22825> I will never use such command correct?
[00:20] <pilne> well dist-upgrade also updates packages that require changes/removal of other packages, not just the kernel
[00:21] <pilne> this might be a better way to manage locking the kernel version, but might also restrict you to using synaptic for package management: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3379/is-there-a-way-to-disable-kernel-updates
[00:22] <Guest22825> I have just installed 14.04.4 yesterday, and right now my kernel number is 4.2, and I don't know how to avoid it :)
[00:22] <pilne> not sure why you would?
[00:23] <Guest22825> Here is my situation, I try my best not to use any ppa.
[00:24] <Guest22825> But there is this super important ppa that I added in order to install the most recent flashplayer from google.
[00:24] <pilne> ok
[00:26] <Guest22825> That ppa is "http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu".
[00:27] <Guest22825> Here is the sequece of my command.
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer"
[00:27] <derp_commander> coming to you from the world's latest installation of Ubuntu Studio :-)
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin"
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get update"
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get install freshplayerplugin"
[00:28] <derp_commander> I've heard it's better aptitude as an end user, because aptitude does conflict resolution
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
[00:28] <derp_commander> apt-get is the low-level system command
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install"
[00:29] <derp_commander> *better to use aptitude
[00:29] <Guest22825> Can you explain what aptitude is?
[00:30] <pilne> if i'm not mistaken, apt has been "updated" to be as good as aptitude in the recent past
[00:31] <pilne> i don't even see pepperflash in that repository
[00:31] <derp_commander> pilne: the apt command is a little more user-friendly than aptitude, but like *Nix in general, it's still very selective of who its friends are ;-P
[00:32] <pilne> hah, so very true
[00:33] <pilne> now that i've finally gotten comfortable with virtualenv for python, and stack for haskell, i'm not quite sure i'm a programmer at heart (i'm glad it is just a hobby) but i constantly have drum patterns and bass lines going through my head, so... why not try this stuff out (:
[00:34] <pilne> i see a "freshplayerplugin"
[00:35] <derp_commander> apt/apt-get versus aptitude is somewhat of a personal preference, and aptitude no longer comes installed by default on ubuntu, but I tend to prefer it (even if it's more to type :-P)
[00:35] <Guest22825> I see
[00:35] <pilne> i do use both, i usually use aptitude if apt is giving me the runaround
[00:35] <pilne> but i tend to go for apt first
[00:36] <pilne> and frig i need a new mouse.... even compressed air has not remedied my dying left mouse button >.<
[00:38] <pilne> and really, i'm not a fan of pinning a kernel version... so i've never really researched it
[00:38] <Guest22825> Now, beside the commands I gave you. I ended it with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[00:39] <Guest22825> I should not end my command with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" right?
[00:39] <pilne> i'm really not sure why you wouldn't exactly?
[00:40] <Guest22825> Because of "dist-upgrade", too many update came with it.
[00:41] <Guest22825> I think that is how I got my kernel number updated.
[00:42] <pilne> unless the updates "break" something, why would it be too many? if you want to just get the updates that are packages already installed without massive changes, just do sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:42] <Guest22825> I shouldn't because, I should be able to install my flash player without dist-upgrade.
[00:43] <pilne> if the flash player installed, there is no need to run upgrade or dist-upgrade to use it afaik
[00:44] <pilne> also, if that ppa has anything newer of what you have installed, it will use those to update your local copies by default
[00:45] <Guest22825> I always think I need to run three command everyday "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade", and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[00:46] <Guest22825> How do I know if I need those newer ones or not?
[00:46] <pilne> i run the first two, and only run dist-upgrade if i get the "packages have been held back" message. In general newer software is better software unless you are living on the bleeding edge (IMHO).
[00:47] <Guest22825> What if I never want the newer ones?
[00:47] <pilne> why on earth wouldn't you want potential bugfixes and improvements???
[00:47] <Guest22825> Because I am afraid it would break something else.
[00:48] <Guest22825> I see. I might be able to trust what might come with this ppa, then?
[00:49] <Guest22825> I always wonder what this ppa may do....
[00:49] <pilne> i've never used that one, but i have used webupd8 stuff in general without any issues. ppa's are always a bit of a risk due to the fact they are community maintained and not as rigorously tested as "cannon" repos.
[00:50] <Guest22825> I see.
[00:54] <Guest22825> One more question about kernel update. If 14.04.4 comes with kernel 3.19, why the os would update the kernel to 4.2 later?
[00:56] <Guest22825> I think I should lock my os. By looking at the link you gave, I can lock my kernel :)
[00:56] <Guest22825> Should I lock anything else from update, however?
[00:57] <krytarik> !hwe | Guest22825
[01:00] <Guest22825> I see.
[01:01] <Guest22825> I saw Ubuntu Studio 14.04.4, which was released yesterday, and I keep thinking it is not ready for kernel 4.2
[01:01] <Guest22825> Because it came with kernel 3.19.
[01:01] <Guest22825> Now, I learn something.
[01:01] <Guest22825> Thank you.
[01:02] <Guest22825> Now, one more question, please.
[01:03] <Guest22825> I heard from someone over the internet, that he/she would lock his/her kernel.
[01:03] <Guest22825> Because he/she thinks the OS would be more stable.
[01:04] <Guest22825> What else that person may lock?
[01:04] <Guest22825> I also heard that he/she would use super minimum ppa.
[01:12] <sakrecoer_> Guest22825: if by "locking" you mean "securing", you should probably ask in #ubuntu.
[01:19] <sakrecoer_> The percs of having a production-machine _off-line_ : you don't need security updates. i know 2stations are not given to all, but sometimes we forget internet still has an offplugg. :)
[01:23] <Guest22825> I see.
[01:24] <Guest22825> Thank you.
[01:24] <Guest22825> See you.
[04:10] <derp_commander> reporting to you LIVE from the tallest building in Tokyo :-P