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BobJonkmanIs Simon Quigley here?19:17
sarnoldBobJonkman: tsimonq219:18
BobJonkmanThanx!19:18
tsimonq2hello!19:19
tsimonq2BobJonkman: what's up?19:19
BobJonkmanHi tsimonq2! Just got your email, I'll be lurking for the LoCo portal meeting19:19
tsimonq2oky, cool :D19:19
tsimonq2*okay19:19
tsimonq2BobJonkman: so what LoCo are you from?19:32
BobJonkman1tsimonq2: Sorry, AFK for a bit. I'm from the Ubuntu-ca LoCo, the Canadian Team.20:17
BobJonkman1Sadly, the Canadian Team is no longer registered; there has not been much activity except for regular release parties in Toronto hosted by genii20:18
* genii makes more coffee, slides one to BobJonkman1 and another to tsimonq220:18
BobJonkman1Ahh, coffee!20:18
genii:)20:19
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tsimonq2oh jeez thanks genii I really need it :)20:55
geniiAny time, of course20:56
tsimonq2BobJonkman1: yeah I was AFK too, I'm the leader of the Wisconsin team :)20:56
tsimonq2wxl, PabloRubianes: You guys around to start the meeting soon?20:58
wxltsimonq2: yep20:59
tsimonq2wxl: who else besides Pablo did we want here?20:59
wxltsimonq2: daker.21:00
tsimonq2daker: you around for the meeting?21:00
wxli'd go so far as to say daker's participation is essential21:00
tsimonq2yeah I agree21:00
tsimonq2I'll wait for another 5 minutes while I consume snacks because I just got home, then we can get started :)21:00
tsimonq2if daker is here21:01
tsimonq2we'll see21:01
wxltsimonq2: he popped by a couple hours back asking abut the meeting time21:01
dakertsimonq2: yo21:02
tsimonq2hey guys, let me finish my muffin and we'll start21:03
tsimonq2or at least get some progress :)21:03
tsimonq2wxl, daker: You mind me facilitating because Pablo isn't around?21:04
wxltsimonq2: sure, although it sounds like this meeting is just going to be me and you21:04
tsimonq2wxl: where's daker?21:04
superflythis is about the LoCo portal?21:04
wxltsimonq2: dunno21:05
tsimonq2yep superfly :)21:05
dakertsimonq2: just go ahead21:05
wxlsuperfly: yes, that's the intention21:05
tsimonq2and BobJonkman1, we are starting now :)21:05
tsimonq2;startmeeting ?21:05
superflyah, OK. I can't stay, it's 11pm, but I'll let my IRC client lurk and read tomorrow morning21:05
* tsimonq2 Googles commands quick :)21:05
wxlthx superfly21:05
tsimonq2here we go21:05
tsimonq2#startmeeting Ubuntu LoCo Portal Planning21:06
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Feb 24 21:06:08 2016 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.21:06
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick21:06
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tsimonq2Welcome to the meeting to plan items for the LoCo portal!21:06
tsimonq2I kinda already know who's here, so let's just get to business! :)21:07
tsimonq2Here is what I kinda threw together: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/Meetings/2016022421:07
pleia2o/21:08
tsimonq2hello pleia2 :)21:08
wxloh hai pleia2 !21:08
nhaineso/21:08
pleia2if you'd like, I could share some of what we did in 2012 to jumpstart development21:08
wxlhai nhaines :)21:08
pleia2(it obviously didn't work, but we learned some things)21:09
tsimonq2so now I want to look at existing portal bugs and see if we can point out a few, just for the sake of looking them over: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/21:09
tsimonq2#topic Existing *21:09
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* tsimonq2 guesses he did that right :)21:10
wxlbuncha undecided/news that need triaged21:10
tsimonq2well what kinda concerns me is that there are some critical bugs21:10
tsimonq2that's not good21:10
tsimonq2and then a whole lot of wishlist items among others21:11
tsimonq2the critical bugs are: bug 881019 bug 1225610 bug 1273491 bug 137212421:12
ubottubug 881019 in Launchpad itself "Lp login is broken after account merge" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88101921:12
ubottubug 1225610 in LoCo Team Portal "Standard Timezone are reverted back to UTC" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122561021:12
ubottubug 1273491 in LoCo Team Portal "Merge functionnality only merges the events" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127349121:12
ubottubug 1372124 in LoCo Team Portal "The Django version that the LTP uses is unsupported now" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137212421:12
tsimonq2oh that's weird it says one of them is just high...21:12
wxlthat first one sounds like it MIGHT be an sso issue21:12
wxland frankly kind of edge casey21:12
dakertsimonq2: bug 881019 we can't do much, it's on LP side21:13
tsimonq2so should it be taken off the portal tracker?21:13
wxli mean, how many users do we have that have merged lp accounts?21:13
tsimonq2¯\_(ツ)_/¯21:13
tsimonq2I don't know, you have a point, wxl21:13
wxltsimonq2: it needs further testing to confirm that it's sso, but i vote making it low21:13
tsimonq2I vote that as well21:13
dakertsimonq2: a few21:14
tsimonq2well just remove the LoCo portal from that21:14
tsimonq2I think it's just irrelevant21:14
wxlbug 1225610 seems like it needs to be tested further. i'm not sure we can call it triaged without it being confirmed21:14
ubottubug 1225610 in LoCo Team Portal "Standard Timezone are reverted back to UTC" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122561021:14
tsimonq2I have experienced it21:14
tsimonq2could we confirm?21:15
wxlwell if you say you have, you could then confirm it21:15
wxlbug 1273491 needs reviewed21:15
ubottubug 1273491 in LoCo Team Portal "Merge functionnality only merges the events" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127349121:15
tsimonq2#action Remove bug 881019 from the LoCo Portal Project on Launchpad21:16
meetingologyACTION: Remove bug 881019 from the LoCo Portal Project on Launchpad21:16
ubottubug 881019 in Launchpad itself "Lp login is broken after account merge" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88101921:16
wxlbug 1372124 we talked about before. we need to get to a current django21:16
ubottubug 1372124 in LoCo Team Portal "The Django version that the LTP uses is unsupported now" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137212421:16
dakertsimonq2: maybe we can rework the TZ stuff once we migrate to a newer django version21:16
wxl+1 daker21:16
dakerwxl: first thing to do is to check with IS first21:16
wxlin fact i'd say that should be our #1 priority before we start messing with much else21:16
tsimonq2yeah I agree, daker, if we are using an old django version that should totally be considered21:16
tsimonq2+1 wxl21:16
tsimonq2#action Upgrade the django version for the LoCo Portal21:17
meetingologyACTION: Upgrade the django version for the LoCo Portal21:17
tsimonq2also, something that I noticed is that the LoCo portal running in production is a commit behind21:17
tsimonq2daker: would you be willing to talk to IS to get that fixed?21:18
dakertsimonq2: also check with IS what version to use21:18
tsimonq2the docs are lacking for how to do that21:18
wxl#action wxl make an rt ticket re: upgrading django and what version to use21:18
meetingologyACTION: wxl make an rt ticket re: upgrading django and what version to use21:18
dakertsimonq2: what do you mean ?21:18
tsimonq2daker: well I know there is documentation somewhere to submit an IS ticket for this, that needs to be reviewed21:19
wxltsimonq2: i got that. i can talk to is (see action)21:19
dakerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/ReleaseProcess21:19
tsimonq2wxl: alright, cool, I guess that's out of the way21:20
tsimonq2bug 1273491?21:20
ubottubug 1273491 in LoCo Team Portal "Merge functionnality only merges the events" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127349121:20
tsimonq2what's up with that?21:20
wxlneeds reviewed21:20
tsimonq2whoops sorry didn't see :)21:20
tsimonq2so I think that's it for reviewing existing bugs?21:21
tsimonq2s/existing/critical/21:21
wxlyep21:21
wxlsomeone needs to triage, too21:21
tsimonq2I really think the other bugs can be looked at seperately if you choose, but the critical ones should be fixed ASAP21:21
tsimonq2yeh I can help with that, wxl21:21
tsimonq2#action Triage the LoCo Portal Bugs on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/21:22
wxltsimonq2: action it :)21:22
meetingologyACTION: Triage the LoCo Portal Bugs on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/21:22
tsimonq2wxl: :P21:22
tsimonq2so is that it for existing items?21:23
tsimonq2as always, non-existent bugs can be reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+filebug21:23
wxlyep and i think we can tackle requested features once we get a handle on having a stable version with current django, etc21:23
tsimonq2I agree21:24
tsimonq2#topic New features21:24
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tsimonq2Okay, so does anyone want to speak up and request a feature for the portal? Just throw an idea out there.21:25
tsimonq2Anyone?21:26
tsimonq2Well, I guess we don't really need this, so I'll move on, unless somebody speaks up within the next 30 seconds21:26
tsimonq2#topic Release schedule?21:27
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tsimonq2so i was wondering, do we need a release schecule for the tracker?21:27
tsimonq2something to plan this out21:27
wxlhm21:27
tsimonq2or should it be on a case-by-case process of fixing bugs?21:27
dakertsimonq2: i guess just case-by-case21:28
wxlwell it would be nice to have a release schedule, ideally21:28
tsimonq2nhaines, pleia2: Do you have prior experience with this?21:28
wxlbut i think that given current resources and the state of the project, i'd suggest case-by-case21:28
tsimonq2is there a point in time that it should be implemented?21:28
pleia2I've not been involved with the point releases21:29
wxlnaw, i don't think so. just keep on fixing bugs and adding features regularly and no one will complain XD21:29
pleia2most of my focus last time around was making sure devs had a dev environment, and telling people about how to bring it up with vagrant21:29
tsimonq2pleia2: what's vagrant?21:29
tsimonq2or is that a person?21:30
pleia2tool for creating localized, virtual development environments21:30
tsimonq2ahh okay21:30
tsimonq2but I guess it might be good to have time-based goals for things21:31
nhainesI haven't been involved in releases either.21:31
pleia2our concern was having developers :)21:31
tsimonq2alright :)21:31
nhainesThat's my main question.  *Do* we have developers for this?21:31
tsimonq2That's a really good question.21:31
tsimonq2I'm willing to help21:32
wxlpleia2: do you have that documented?21:32
wxli'm also willing to help21:32
pleia2wxl: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=666221:32
tsimonq2yesm and we need documentation as well21:32
tsimonq2*yes21:32
pleia2wxl: it walks through what's already on the wiki21:32
tsimonq2pleia2: link?21:32
wxltsimonq2: you should get a dev wiki page if there isn't already one21:32
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal21:32
tsimonq2ahh okay21:32
pleia2under "Get Started" has links21:32
tsimonq2wxl: there is :)21:32
wxltsimonq2: k nevermind :)21:32
pleia2and since this was from back in 2012, it was all on 12.0421:33
wxlriiiight so we should have action to double check all that21:33
tsimonq2I guess documentation really needs to be updated, because as you said, this was from 4 years ago, and if we want to have developers, we need good docs21:33
wxlwith a mid-term goal of getting more devs to fix these issues once we have the major infrastructure problems fixed21:33
pleia2being able to bring ltp up on vagrant on our laptop/desktop was a huge help to getting anyone who is familiar with django/python looking at bugs21:33
tsimonq2#action Revise existing documentation21:34
meetingologyACTION: Revise existing documentation21:34
pleia2ultimately we didn't really succeed, people get busy, back then daker was our core dev too21:34
pleia2but I think it's great that you're trying again21:34
tsimonq2yeah, I really think the LoCo portal has the potential to be a really useful tool21:35
daker#action Upgrade vagrant to the lastest version21:35
meetingologyACTION: Upgrade vagrant to the lastest version21:35
tsimonq2I guess we are getting off topic for releases, so I'll change that quick21:35
tsimonq2#topic Documentation21:35
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tsimonq2so what do we need updated?21:35
pleia2I recommend someone going through all the links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal21:36
pleia2I was the last one to touch that page, in 201221:37
tsimonq2let's start with discussing the Get Started portion21:37
pleia2LoCoTeamPortal (last edited 2012-08-28 08:57:38 by lyz)21:37
tsimonq2#subtopic "Get Started"21:37
tsimonq2#progress "Get Started"21:37
tsimonq2oh :P21:37
tsimonq2anyways21:37
tsimonq2it just shows how to branch the repo and now to open the INSTALL file21:38
tsimonq2I could totally see this being a seperate page21:38
tsimonq2thoughts?21:38
wxli don't see that as a bad thing21:39
tsimonq2me neither21:39
tsimonq2I'll #action it21:39
tsimonq2#action tsimonq2: Move the "Get Started" to a different subpage21:39
meetingologyACTION: tsimonq2: Move the "Get Started" to a different subpage21:39
pleia2I think checking all sections for accuracy should be the highest priority, you can reshuffle at any time21:40
tsimonq2yeah I agree21:40
tsimonq2but we laready have an action item there :)21:41
tsimonq2so I think docs needs to be a major focus of this21:42
tsimonq2anything else about documentation before we move on?21:42
tsimonq2#topic Existence/How do we make it more useful?21:43
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tsimonq2so we know this has been used by teams, but I have been hearing that tems are starting to move away from it21:44
tsimonq2*teams21:44
tsimonq2how do we make this more useful21:44
tsimonq2?21:44
wxlwell21:44
tsimonq2and should this still exist?21:44
wxli hear some people complaining about it21:44
wxl(but people complain about everything)21:44
tsimonq2heheheh I guess21:44
wxlbut as far as the loco team is concerned, i see no plan to move away from it21:45
wxli like it21:45
tsimonq2I agree21:45
wxlit does add functionality that doesn't exist on the wiki21:45
tsimonq2and I just think it needs a bit of work21:45
tsimonq2which is why we are here :)21:45
wxlwe can always work on better integrating information between the two resources but that's simple21:45
wxli'd say the bigger issue with the loco team is getting people to even look at ANY of the resources21:46
tsimonq2yeah21:46
wxli was in the community for years before i ever heard of the notion of locos!21:46
* tsimonq2 wonders if Ubuntu has a marketing team...21:47
pleia2there is an inactive community marketing team (mailing list, channel)21:47
* wxl wonders if Canonical has a community manager XD21:48
nhaineswxl: about half a dozen of them.  :P21:48
wxlnhaines: i guess manager is not the right word. a liason. evangelist.21:48
tsimonq2#votesrequired 321:50
meetingologyvotes now need 3 to be passed21:50
tsimonq2#voters nhaines wxl tsimonq2 pleia2 daker21:50
meetingologyCurrent voters: daker nhaines pleia2 tsimonq2 wxl21:50
tsimonq2#vote Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?21:50
meetingologyPlease vote on: Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?21:50
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)21:50
tsimonq2I guess I want to see if this is a universal opinion21:50
wxl+1 for me21:50
meetingology+1 for me received from wxl21:50
tsimonq2+1 It's really useful21:50
meetingology+1 It's really useful received from tsimonq221:50
nhaines+1 It's a critical piece of infrastructure at this time.21:51
meetingology+1 It's a critical piece of infrastructure at this time. received from nhaines21:51
pleia2+1 still being used by many teams21:51
meetingology+1 still being used by many teams received from pleia221:51
wxlif anyone else wants to vote that isn't on the list of voters, please say so21:51
tsimonq2I'll give them a minute from now21:51
tsimonq2then I'll end it :)21:51
wxli'd be curious to see what daker says ("-1 i don't want to develop this crap anymore") XD21:52
tsimonq2in the meantime, I guess Twitter/Facebook posts might be something to consider, maybe something like built-in meeting announcements with links :)21:52
wxli'm kidding, btw.21:52
tsimonq2#endvote21:52
meetingologyVoting ended on: Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?21:52
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:021:52
meetingologyMotion carried21:52
geniiEven though our Loco ( Ubuntu Canada) was not renewed, we still use those event pages for our release parties and other things like Ubuntu Hours21:52
tsimonq2awesome, genii :)21:53
daker+1 but it's need to be complementary with the other tool provided by canonical21:53
tsimonq2other tool?!?!?!?21:53
wxlgenii: yikes a whole country and not renewed? :( come see the loco-council!21:53
tsimonq2#topic Misc.21:53
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tsimonq2anything else from anyone?21:54
tsimonq2I think it would be a good idea to have another meeting at the same time and day of the week/week as next month, so March 2321:54
tsimonq2would everyone be good with that?21:55
wxlworks for me21:55
tsimonq2then we can look at what's been done21:55
tsimonq2daker? you ultimately decide because the meeting doesn't go on without you :)21:55
dakertsimonq2: i am having some internet connexion :/21:56
dakerissues*21:56
tsimonq2daker: does March 23, same time, work for you?21:56
dakertsimonq2: yes21:57
tsimonq2alright good21:57
tsimonq2right at 4 PM CST(idk what it is UTC or other time zones), I'll end the meeting, just in case anyone wants to say anything else21:57
wxltsimonq2: /exec - date -u21:58
tsimonq2at 22 utc :)21:59
tsimonq2thanks wxl :D21:59
tsimonq2okay, thanks guys, I'll see you next month! have a nice afternoon/night! :)21:59
wxlthx tsimonq222:00
tsimonq2#endmeeting22:00
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Feb 24 22:00:06 2016 UTC.22:00
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wxland everyone else!22:00
tsimonq2yeah thanks guys :D22:00
tsimonq2I'll send something off to loco-contacts, loco-council, and ltp-dev22:00
tsimonq2(email)22:01
tsimonq2After 14.04.4 and this, do not be too surprised if I am quiet this weekend, which I know will be a blessing to you all :P22:06
tsimonq2whoops22:06
PabloRubianesTsimonq222:31
PabloRubianes@22:31
PabloRubianesSorry i got work troubles22:32
tsimonq2hello PabloRubianes :D22:32
tsimonq2it's alright22:32
tsimonq2http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-24-21.06.moin.txt22:32
PabloRubianesCouldnt make it sorry22:32
PabloRubianesI'll read it later22:32
PabloRubianesIm still at office22:32
tsimonq2alright :)22:35
PabloRubianesTalk you later22:41

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