[19:17] <BobJonkman> Is Simon Quigley here?
[19:18] <sarnold> BobJonkman: tsimonq2
[19:18] <BobJonkman> Thanx!
[19:19] <tsimonq2> hello!
[19:19] <tsimonq2> BobJonkman: what's up?
[19:19] <BobJonkman> Hi tsimonq2! Just got your email, I'll be lurking for the LoCo portal meeting
[19:19] <tsimonq2> oky, cool :D
[19:19] <tsimonq2> *okay
[19:32] <tsimonq2> BobJonkman: so what LoCo are you from?
[20:17] <BobJonkman1> tsimonq2: Sorry, AFK for a bit. I'm from the Ubuntu-ca LoCo, the Canadian Team.
[20:18] <BobJonkman1> Sadly, the Canadian Team is no longer registered; there has not been much activity except for regular release parties in Toronto hosted by genii
[20:18]  * genii makes more coffee, slides one to BobJonkman1 and another to tsimonq2
[20:18] <BobJonkman1> Ahh, coffee!
[20:19] <genii> :)
[20:55] <tsimonq2> oh jeez thanks genii I really need it :)
[20:56] <genii> Any time, of course
[20:56] <tsimonq2> BobJonkman1: yeah I was AFK too, I'm the leader of the Wisconsin team :)
[20:58] <tsimonq2> wxl, PabloRubianes: You guys around to start the meeting soon?
[20:59] <wxl> tsimonq2: yep
[20:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: who else besides Pablo did we want here?
[21:00] <wxl> tsimonq2: daker.
[21:00] <tsimonq2> daker: you around for the meeting?
[21:00] <wxl> i'd go so far as to say daker's participation is essential
[21:00] <tsimonq2> yeah I agree
[21:00] <tsimonq2> I'll wait for another 5 minutes while I consume snacks because I just got home, then we can get started :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> if daker is here
[21:01] <tsimonq2> we'll see
[21:01] <wxl> tsimonq2: he popped by a couple hours back asking abut the meeting time
[21:02] <daker> tsimonq2: yo
[21:03] <tsimonq2> hey guys, let me finish my muffin and we'll start
[21:03] <tsimonq2> or at least get some progress :)
[21:04] <tsimonq2> wxl, daker: You mind me facilitating because Pablo isn't around?
[21:04] <wxl> tsimonq2: sure, although it sounds like this meeting is just going to be me and you
[21:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: where's daker?
[21:04] <superfly> this is about the LoCo portal?
[21:05] <wxl> tsimonq2: dunno
[21:05] <tsimonq2> yep superfly :)
[21:05] <daker> tsimonq2: just go ahead
[21:05] <wxl> superfly: yes, that's the intention
[21:05] <tsimonq2> and BobJonkman1, we are starting now :)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> ;startmeeting ?
[21:05] <superfly> ah, OK. I can't stay, it's 11pm, but I'll let my IRC client lurk and read tomorrow morning
[21:05]  * tsimonq2 Googles commands quick :)
[21:05] <wxl> thx superfly
[21:05] <tsimonq2> here we go
[21:06] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Ubuntu LoCo Portal Planning
[21:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 24 21:06:08 2016 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:06] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the meeting to plan items for the LoCo portal!
[21:07] <tsimonq2> I kinda already know who's here, so let's just get to business! :)
[21:07] <tsimonq2> Here is what I kinda threw together: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/Meetings/20160224
[21:08] <pleia2> o/
[21:08] <tsimonq2> hello pleia2 :)
[21:08] <wxl> oh hai pleia2 !
[21:08] <nhaines> o/
[21:08] <pleia2> if you'd like, I could share some of what we did in 2012 to jumpstart development
[21:08] <wxl> hai nhaines :)
[21:09] <pleia2> (it obviously didn't work, but we learned some things)
[21:09] <tsimonq2> so now I want to look at existing portal bugs and see if we can point out a few, just for the sake of looking them over: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/
[21:09] <tsimonq2> #topic Existing *
[21:10]  * tsimonq2 guesses he did that right :)
[21:10] <wxl> buncha undecided/news that need triaged
[21:10] <tsimonq2> well what kinda concerns me is that there are some critical bugs
[21:10] <tsimonq2> that's not good
[21:11] <tsimonq2> and then a whole lot of wishlist items among others
[21:12] <tsimonq2> the critical bugs are: bug 881019 bug 1225610 bug 1273491 bug 1372124
[21:12] <tsimonq2> oh that's weird it says one of them is just high...
[21:12] <wxl> that first one sounds like it MIGHT be an sso issue
[21:12] <wxl> and frankly kind of edge casey
[21:13] <daker> tsimonq2: bug 881019 we can't do much, it's on LP side
[21:13] <tsimonq2> so should it be taken off the portal tracker?
[21:13] <wxl> i mean, how many users do we have that have merged lp accounts?
[21:13] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:13] <tsimonq2> I don't know, you have a point, wxl
[21:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: it needs further testing to confirm that it's sso, but i vote making it low
[21:13] <tsimonq2> I vote that as well
[21:14] <daker> tsimonq2: a few
[21:14] <tsimonq2> well just remove the LoCo portal from that
[21:14] <tsimonq2> I think it's just irrelevant
[21:14] <wxl> bug 1225610 seems like it needs to be tested further. i'm not sure we can call it triaged without it being confirmed
[21:14] <tsimonq2> I have experienced it
[21:15] <tsimonq2> could we confirm?
[21:15] <wxl> well if you say you have, you could then confirm it
[21:15] <wxl> bug 1273491 needs reviewed
[21:16] <tsimonq2> #action Remove bug 881019 from the LoCo Portal Project on Launchpad
[21:16] <meetingology> ACTION: Remove bug 881019 from the LoCo Portal Project on Launchpad
[21:16] <wxl> bug 1372124 we talked about before. we need to get to a current django
[21:16] <daker> tsimonq2: maybe we can rework the TZ stuff once we migrate to a newer django version
[21:16] <wxl> +1 daker
[21:16] <daker> wxl: first thing to do is to check with IS first
[21:16] <wxl> in fact i'd say that should be our #1 priority before we start messing with much else
[21:16] <tsimonq2> yeah I agree, daker, if we are using an old django version that should totally be considered
[21:16] <tsimonq2> +1 wxl
[21:17] <tsimonq2> #action Upgrade the django version for the LoCo Portal
[21:17] <meetingology> ACTION: Upgrade the django version for the LoCo Portal
[21:17] <tsimonq2> also, something that I noticed is that the LoCo portal running in production is a commit behind
[21:18] <tsimonq2> daker: would you be willing to talk to IS to get that fixed?
[21:18] <daker> tsimonq2: also check with IS what version to use
[21:18] <tsimonq2> the docs are lacking for how to do that
[21:18] <wxl> #action wxl make an rt ticket re: upgrading django and what version to use
[21:18] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl make an rt ticket re: upgrading django and what version to use
[21:18] <daker> tsimonq2: what do you mean ?
[21:19] <tsimonq2> daker: well I know there is documentation somewhere to submit an IS ticket for this, that needs to be reviewed
[21:19] <wxl> tsimonq2: i got that. i can talk to is (see action)
[21:19] <daker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/ReleaseProcess
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: alright, cool, I guess that's out of the way
[21:20] <tsimonq2> bug 1273491?
[21:20] <tsimonq2> what's up with that?
[21:20] <wxl> needs reviewed
[21:20] <tsimonq2> whoops sorry didn't see :)
[21:21] <tsimonq2> so I think that's it for reviewing existing bugs?
[21:21] <tsimonq2> s/existing/critical/
[21:21] <wxl> yep
[21:21] <wxl> someone needs to triage, too
[21:21] <tsimonq2> I really think the other bugs can be looked at seperately if you choose, but the critical ones should be fixed ASAP
[21:21] <tsimonq2> yeh I can help with that, wxl
[21:22] <tsimonq2> #action Triage the LoCo Portal Bugs on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/
[21:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: action it :)
[21:22] <meetingology> ACTION: Triage the LoCo Portal Bugs on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/
[21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: :P
[21:23] <tsimonq2> so is that it for existing items?
[21:23] <tsimonq2> as always, non-existent bugs can be reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+filebug
[21:23] <wxl> yep and i think we can tackle requested features once we get a handle on having a stable version with current django, etc
[21:24] <tsimonq2> I agree
[21:24] <tsimonq2> #topic New features
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Okay, so does anyone want to speak up and request a feature for the portal? Just throw an idea out there.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Anyone?
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Well, I guess we don't really need this, so I'll move on, unless somebody speaks up within the next 30 seconds
[21:27] <tsimonq2> #topic Release schedule?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> so i was wondering, do we need a release schecule for the tracker?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> something to plan this out
[21:27] <wxl> hm
[21:27] <tsimonq2> or should it be on a case-by-case process of fixing bugs?
[21:28] <daker> tsimonq2: i guess just case-by-case
[21:28] <wxl> well it would be nice to have a release schedule, ideally
[21:28] <tsimonq2> nhaines, pleia2: Do you have prior experience with this?
[21:28] <wxl> but i think that given current resources and the state of the project, i'd suggest case-by-case
[21:28] <tsimonq2> is there a point in time that it should be implemented?
[21:29] <pleia2> I've not been involved with the point releases
[21:29] <wxl> naw, i don't think so. just keep on fixing bugs and adding features regularly and no one will complain XD
[21:29] <pleia2> most of my focus last time around was making sure devs had a dev environment, and telling people about how to bring it up with vagrant
[21:29] <tsimonq2> pleia2: what's vagrant?
[21:30] <tsimonq2> or is that a person?
[21:30] <pleia2> tool for creating localized, virtual development environments
[21:30] <tsimonq2> ahh okay
[21:31] <tsimonq2> but I guess it might be good to have time-based goals for things
[21:31] <nhaines> I haven't been involved in releases either.
[21:31] <pleia2> our concern was having developers :)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[21:31] <nhaines> That's my main question.  *Do* we have developers for this?
[21:31] <tsimonq2> That's a really good question.
[21:32] <tsimonq2> I'm willing to help
[21:32] <wxl> pleia2: do you have that documented?
[21:32] <wxl> i'm also willing to help
[21:32] <pleia2> wxl: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=6662
[21:32] <tsimonq2> yesm and we need documentation as well
[21:32] <tsimonq2> *yes
[21:32] <pleia2> wxl: it walks through what's already on the wiki
[21:32] <tsimonq2> pleia2: link?
[21:32] <wxl> tsimonq2: you should get a dev wiki page if there isn't already one
[21:32] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal
[21:32] <tsimonq2> ahh okay
[21:32] <pleia2> under "Get Started" has links
[21:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: there is :)
[21:32] <wxl> tsimonq2: k nevermind :)
[21:33] <pleia2> and since this was from back in 2012, it was all on 12.04
[21:33] <wxl> riiiight so we should have action to double check all that
[21:33] <tsimonq2> I guess documentation really needs to be updated, because as you said, this was from 4 years ago, and if we want to have developers, we need good docs
[21:33] <wxl> with a mid-term goal of getting more devs to fix these issues once we have the major infrastructure problems fixed
[21:33] <pleia2> being able to bring ltp up on vagrant on our laptop/desktop was a huge help to getting anyone who is familiar with django/python looking at bugs
[21:34] <tsimonq2> #action Revise existing documentation
[21:34] <meetingology> ACTION: Revise existing documentation
[21:34] <pleia2> ultimately we didn't really succeed, people get busy, back then daker was our core dev too
[21:34] <pleia2> but I think it's great that you're trying again
[21:35] <tsimonq2> yeah, I really think the LoCo portal has the potential to be a really useful tool
[21:35] <daker> #action Upgrade vagrant to the lastest version
[21:35] <meetingology> ACTION: Upgrade vagrant to the lastest version
[21:35] <tsimonq2> I guess we are getting off topic for releases, so I'll change that quick
[21:35] <tsimonq2> #topic Documentation
[21:35] <tsimonq2> so what do we need updated?
[21:36] <pleia2> I recommend someone going through all the links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal
[21:37] <pleia2> I was the last one to touch that page, in 2012
[21:37] <tsimonq2> let's start with discussing the Get Started portion
[21:37] <pleia2> LoCoTeamPortal (last edited 2012-08-28 08:57:38 by lyz)
[21:37] <tsimonq2> #subtopic "Get Started"
[21:37] <tsimonq2> #progress "Get Started"
[21:37] <tsimonq2> oh :P
[21:37] <tsimonq2> anyways
[21:38] <tsimonq2> it just shows how to branch the repo and now to open the INSTALL file
[21:38] <tsimonq2> I could totally see this being a seperate page
[21:38] <tsimonq2> thoughts?
[21:39] <wxl> i don't see that as a bad thing
[21:39] <tsimonq2> me neither
[21:39] <tsimonq2> I'll #action it
[21:39] <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: Move the "Get Started" to a different subpage
[21:39] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2: Move the "Get Started" to a different subpage
[21:40] <pleia2> I think checking all sections for accuracy should be the highest priority, you can reshuffle at any time
[21:40] <tsimonq2> yeah I agree
[21:41] <tsimonq2> but we laready have an action item there :)
[21:42] <tsimonq2> so I think docs needs to be a major focus of this
[21:42] <tsimonq2> anything else about documentation before we move on?
[21:43] <tsimonq2> #topic Existence/How do we make it more useful?
[21:44] <tsimonq2> so we know this has been used by teams, but I have been hearing that tems are starting to move away from it
[21:44] <tsimonq2> *teams
[21:44] <tsimonq2> how do we make this more useful
[21:44] <tsimonq2> ?
[21:44] <wxl> well
[21:44] <tsimonq2> and should this still exist?
[21:44] <wxl> i hear some people complaining about it
[21:44] <wxl> (but people complain about everything)
[21:44] <tsimonq2> heheheh I guess
[21:45] <wxl> but as far as the loco team is concerned, i see no plan to move away from it
[21:45] <wxl> i like it
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I agree
[21:45] <wxl> it does add functionality that doesn't exist on the wiki
[21:45] <tsimonq2> and I just think it needs a bit of work
[21:45] <tsimonq2> which is why we are here :)
[21:45] <wxl> we can always work on better integrating information between the two resources but that's simple
[21:46] <wxl> i'd say the bigger issue with the loco team is getting people to even look at ANY of the resources
[21:46] <tsimonq2> yeah
[21:46] <wxl> i was in the community for years before i ever heard of the notion of locos!
[21:47]  * tsimonq2 wonders if Ubuntu has a marketing team...
[21:47] <pleia2> there is an inactive community marketing team (mailing list, channel)
[21:48]  * wxl wonders if Canonical has a community manager XD
[21:48] <nhaines> wxl: about half a dozen of them.  :P
[21:48] <wxl> nhaines: i guess manager is not the right word. a liason. evangelist.
[21:50] <tsimonq2> #votesrequired 3
[21:50] <meetingology> votes now need 3 to be passed
[21:50] <tsimonq2> #voters nhaines wxl tsimonq2 pleia2 daker
[21:50] <meetingology> Current voters: daker nhaines pleia2 tsimonq2 wxl
[21:50] <tsimonq2> #vote Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?
[21:50] <meetingology> Please vote on: Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?
[21:50] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[21:50] <tsimonq2> I guess I want to see if this is a universal opinion
[21:50] <wxl> +1 for me
[21:50] <meetingology> +1 for me received from wxl
[21:50] <tsimonq2> +1 It's really useful
[21:50] <meetingology> +1 It's really useful received from tsimonq2
[21:51] <nhaines> +1 It's a critical piece of infrastructure at this time.
[21:51] <meetingology> +1 It's a critical piece of infrastructure at this time. received from nhaines
[21:51] <pleia2> +1 still being used by many teams
[21:51] <meetingology> +1 still being used by many teams received from pleia2
[21:51] <wxl> if anyone else wants to vote that isn't on the list of voters, please say so
[21:51] <tsimonq2> I'll give them a minute from now
[21:51] <tsimonq2> then I'll end it :)
[21:52] <wxl> i'd be curious to see what daker says ("-1 i don't want to develop this crap anymore") XD
[21:52] <tsimonq2> in the meantime, I guess Twitter/Facebook posts might be something to consider, maybe something like built-in meeting announcements with links :)
[21:52] <wxl> i'm kidding, btw.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[21:52] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Does the LoCo Portal still need to exist?
[21:52] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:52] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:52] <genii> Even though our Loco ( Ubuntu Canada) was not renewed, we still use those event pages for our release parties and other things like Ubuntu Hours
[21:53] <tsimonq2> awesome, genii :)
[21:53] <daker> +1 but it's need to be complementary with the other tool provided by canonical
[21:53] <tsimonq2> other tool?!?!?!?
[21:53] <wxl> genii: yikes a whole country and not renewed? :( come see the loco-council!
[21:53] <tsimonq2> #topic Misc.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> anything else from anyone?
[21:54] <tsimonq2> I think it would be a good idea to have another meeting at the same time and day of the week/week as next month, so March 23
[21:55] <tsimonq2> would everyone be good with that?
[21:55] <wxl> works for me
[21:55] <tsimonq2> then we can look at what's been done
[21:55] <tsimonq2> daker? you ultimately decide because the meeting doesn't go on without you :)
[21:56] <daker> tsimonq2: i am having some internet connexion :/
[21:56] <daker> issues*
[21:56] <tsimonq2> daker: does March 23, same time, work for you?
[21:57] <daker> tsimonq2: yes
[21:57] <tsimonq2> alright good
[21:57] <tsimonq2> right at 4 PM CST(idk what it is UTC or other time zones), I'll end the meeting, just in case anyone wants to say anything else
[21:58] <wxl> tsimonq2: /exec - date -u
[21:59] <tsimonq2> at 22 utc :)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> thanks wxl :D
[21:59] <tsimonq2> okay, thanks guys, I'll see you next month! have a nice afternoon/night! :)
[22:00] <wxl> thx tsimonq2
[22:00] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 22:00:06 2016 UTC.
[22:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-24-21.06.moin.txt
[22:00] <wxl> and everyone else!
[22:00] <tsimonq2> yeah thanks guys :D
[22:00] <tsimonq2> I'll send something off to loco-contacts, loco-council, and ltp-dev
[22:01] <tsimonq2> (email)
[22:06] <tsimonq2> After 14.04.4 and this, do not be too surprised if I am quiet this weekend, which I know will be a blessing to you all :P
[22:06] <tsimonq2> whoops
[22:31] <PabloRubianes> Tsimonq2
[22:31] <PabloRubianes> @
[22:32] <PabloRubianes> Sorry i got work troubles
[22:32] <tsimonq2> hello PabloRubianes :D
[22:32] <tsimonq2> it's alright
[22:32] <tsimonq2> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-24-21.06.moin.txt
[22:32] <PabloRubianes> Couldnt make it sorry
[22:32] <PabloRubianes> I'll read it later
[22:32] <PabloRubianes> Im still at office
[22:35] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[22:41] <PabloRubianes> Talk you later