[05:14] <jabawok> can anyone think of a creative solution to disable suspending background tasks on ubuntu touch?
[05:16] <jabawok> I've found the place in qtmir's session.cpp where the suspension stuff is happenning. I was thinking if I can find this constant in the binary I could just hexedit it:
[05:16] <jabawok> m_suspendTimer->start(1500);
[05:18] <jabawok> but the QTimer class only accepts an int, so I could only delay suspension by a max of 32768ms
[05:19] <Stanley00> jabawok: that's just nearly 33 seconds... :(
[05:19] <jabawok> yeah, would have liked to set it to like 2 weeks or something to effectively and easily disable suspension
[05:19] <jabawok> without hacking around too much
[05:20] <jabawok> theres almost zero scenarios where i want a background process suspended.
[07:48] <orsonmmz> do you know if there is any xmpp client available?
[07:48] <orsonmmz> or if there is someone working on one?
[08:04] <jabawok> orsonmmz: not that i know of, i'm chasing one as well
[08:04] <jabawok> my "solution" is to ssh into a server and run centericq
[08:04] <jabawok> its a really really poor solution - as soon as you alt-tab out of the terminal the ssh session gets dropped as the terminal gets a SIGSTOP
[08:05] <jabawok> centericq within screen so you can reconnect if the phone goes to sleep or you switch tasks
[08:05] <jabawok> its horendously bad compared to a native app, but its something
[08:06] <orsonmmz> jabawok: ok, thanks ;)
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> nice1 sil2100 :p
[09:31] <sil2100> lotuspsychje: thanks! Not too many changes in this hotfix, but it should make some bugs go away ;)
[09:32] <sil2100> And, well, a lot of security fixes
[09:32] <sil2100> Which is a good thing
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> you guys rock, amazing how an opensource community got this far...
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> its easy to complain, but hard to build something revolutionary
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> it can only become better
[09:33] <sil2100> Thanks for the kind words, it's all thanks to the whole Ubuntu community :)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> true, we all have a little piece in this :p
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> even the user at home buying the device..
[10:06] <faenil> sil2100: just sent someone your way :D https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18430.html
[10:06] <faenil> (just fyi :D forgive me!)
[10:36] <sil2100> faenil: hey ;) No worries, let me reply on that shortly
[10:39] <faenil> sil2100: awesome, thank you :)
[10:39] <faenil> (I'm interested as well :) )
[12:20] <Tm_T> what is this "fastboot mode" on Meizu?
[12:21] <Tm_T> doesn't seem to boot anything
[12:24] <Tm_T> hmmm, I wonder what this recovery mode does then (:
[12:29] <Avasz> Where do I file bugs for spelling mistake of country? The spelling of my country is incorrect in its language.
[12:33] <Tm_T> Avasz: I believe that goes to translation team in question
[12:34] <Avasz> Tm_T: and where do I contact the translation team? I installed Ubuntu touch ony yesterday so am not familiar with how the community/organization works, so would be nice if I can get some kickstart. :)
[12:34] <Tm_T> Avasz: which language?
[12:35] <Avasz> Nepali
[12:35] <Avasz> There is not Nepali locale available.
[12:36] <Avasz> but the spelling of the country while choosing the country at start is incorrect.
[12:36] <Tm_T> Avasz: hmmm, I wonder if it still derived from something from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ne
[12:37] <Avasz> Let me check if such mistake is there or not.
[12:37] <Avasz> no. Everything is correct there.
[12:39] <Tm_T> Avasz: I assume a good point to start then might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug
[12:39] <Tm_T> I'm unsure, but worth trying maybe
[12:40] <Avasz> Sure, maybe someone who know can guide me from there. :)
[12:40] <Avasz> THanks.
[12:40] <Avasz> I installed it in OnePlus One. It is totally different, a whole new level! Want to help it grow. :)
[12:49] <dadexix86> Hi everybody! How can I remove from the store an app that I published ?
[13:29] <nik90> dadexix86, Go to your developer account at developer.ubuntu.com and unpublish the app.
[13:34] <dadexix86> nik90, great, thanks! :)
[14:31] <Tm_T> hohum, let's see if this would work...
[14:31]  * Tm_T is trying to restore system after failed firmware upgrade
[14:45] <jgdx> Mirv, hey, I always lose track of the qsysteminfo landing, do you have a trello card or bug I can use to track it?
[14:50] <Gabeduke> I installed Ubuntu touch onto a device and the bottom half of the touch screen does not accept touch points which means I can't get past the login screen. Is there a way to enable developer mode from the device recovery possibly so I can remote to the phone?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Gabeduke: wich device?
[14:51] <Gabeduke> Nexus 4
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Gabeduke: wich channel?
[14:51] <k1l_> Gabeduke: uh, i had that on my nexus4 too. it was hardware failure.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> oh
[14:52] <Gabeduke> Stable
[14:52] <timeax> Can u attach an usb keypoard and login through it?
[14:53] <Gabeduke> Unfortunately I INR have an otg cable but if need be I can get one
[14:53] <Gabeduke> Don't*
[14:54] <timeax> Understood
[14:54] <timeax> When u had android on it u had the same problem?
[14:54] <Gabeduke> I was just curious if there was an alternative way to get in
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> Gabeduke: wich channel did you install on your device?
[14:55] <Gabeduke> Yeah same problem which is why I'm putting Ubuntu on it
[14:55] <timeax> So probably its the digitizer
[14:56] <timeax> I think with 20/30 bucks u could find a new one
[14:56] <greyback> Gabeduke: it should be possible using adb via recovery mode. You goal would be to create this file: "/userdata/.adb_onlock"  - note that /userdata is probably mounted from /system/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img
[14:57] <Gabeduke> Yeah that's another option. Alright thanks y'all ;)
[14:57] <greyback> Gabeduke: oh, easier option: Use --developer-mode switch to udf
[14:57] <timeax> Grayback are u expert in ubuntu touch portingd?
[14:57] <Gabeduke> Awesome ty @greyback
[14:58] <greyback> timeax: nope, sorry. I work on unity8. Device porting not my thing
[14:59] <timeax> Ok tnx anyway,i'm trying to port ubuntu touch on my xiaomi mi2s
[14:59] <timeax> But having some troubles
[14:59] <timeax> I'm not expert in linux and first time i attempt to make a port :D
[15:00] <greyback> well, you've got a difficult road ahead. Good luck!
[15:00] <timeax> Ahaha yep i noticed...
[15:01] <timeax> I was able to make a build,but i bet something gone wrong
[15:02] <timeax> Its 500 mb but there aren't boot.img and a lot of folders i found in the nexus 4 porting
[15:03] <timeax> So i think that build its not complete
[15:04] <timeax> Nobody online who could help me in making this port?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> timeax: i already suggested you the XDA forums
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> timeax: start a project there, see if you get any help maybe
[15:05] <Mirv> jgdx: it's in QA queue right now, and actually under testing already. so it should land soon.
[15:06] <jgdx> Mirv, okay, i'll subscribe to the qa trello card
[15:06] <timeax> Yep i think i should do like u say,but chatting directly with an expert will save me a lot of time
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> timeax: alot of porting experts at XDA also
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> timeax: maybe download all existing images of ports and look inside, see what you can learn?
[15:08] <timeax> Yep i know...i follow xda since i bought my old hp rw6815 :D
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> timeax: there is no one-hit-button for a new port im affraid
[15:08] <timeax> Yeah thats a good idea too :D
[15:09] <timeax> Ahahhag lol i know,i'm doing that not coz i want ubuntu touch on my phone, but coz i wanna learn :D
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> timeax: you develop stuff normally?
[15:10] <timeax> Not exactly
[15:10] <timeax> Just started with that
[15:10] <Gabeduke> @grayback can I set that flag through adb in recovery?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> timeax: you might have a hard time then :p maybe join #snappy also, alot of experts there too
[15:11] <timeax> Oh tnx now i go checking if its somebody online there :)
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-phone-hands-on-500877.shtml
[15:17] <timeax> Nice phone the pro 5
[15:17] <timeax> But i'll buy xiaomi mi5...its a beast :D
[15:18] <timeax> And affordable price
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> timeax: maybe after you port your device, the whole worl will use your image
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> timeax: so dont give up on us right!
[15:21] <timeax> Yep i'm very determinate to complete this project :D
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> thats the spirit mate
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> timeax: wich ubuntu ported phone resembles the most on your device?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> timeax: hardwarewise
[15:23] <timeax> I started two weeks ago, i spent 1 entire week only for downloading all the necessary and setup my pc lol
[15:24] <timeax> My phon got qualcomm snapdragon 600
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> timeax: maybe find the ported touch phone that looks most like yours
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> and investigate the image inside
[15:25] <timeax> The nexus 4 got the early version
[15:25] <timeax> I should find if the galaxy s4 was already ported
[15:26] <timeax> Or htc one m7
[15:26] <timeax> Now i take  a look :)
[15:27] <timeax> But before i need a cigarette lol
[15:47] <P_E_T_O> hi, when I translate touch to my language, can I import it in it and test it?
[16:14] <Smurphy> Hmm. Just got notified for the last update. OTA 9.1.
[16:14] <Smurphy> Anyone has the Changelog ?
[16:14] <Smurphy> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-1-update-officially-released-500896.shtml :D
[16:23] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: link to glibc's USN in OTA 9.1 release note is wrong.
[16:23] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: oh!
[16:23]  * sil2100 looks
[16:23] <sil2100> Ouch
[16:24] <sil2100> copy-paste error
[16:24] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: thanks for noticing!
[16:24] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: fixed :)
[16:32] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: You're welcome
[17:11] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/geonames/+merge/287064
[17:12] <Laney> mterry: w00t!
[17:12] <mterry> :)
[17:17] <Laney> we should port libtimezonemap itself to use this too
[17:24] <mterry> Laney, {unity,ubuntu}-system-settings are the only in-archive users of libtimezonemap
[17:27] <mterry> Though I guess unity-s-s still depends on some stuff (even after being ported to geonames)
[17:36] <Laney> mterry: and ubiquity
[17:36] <mterry> Laney, oh huh I'd expect so.  But it doesn't show up from a "reverse-depends libtimezonemap1".  wonder why
[17:36] <Laney> mterry: it uses the gir - try src:libtimezonemap :P
[17:37] <mterry> Laney, ah of course
[17:38] <Laney> :)
[19:06] <M-bobsummerwill> sil2100 - See https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18438.html.faenil suggested that I ask you the same question here:
[19:06] <M-bobsummerwill> Are there diagrams or documentation anywhere detailing the branching flow between the various Ubuntu versions?
[19:06] <M-bobsummerwill> ie. how are the codebases for Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Snappy Core related?   How do changes and fixes flow between these different versions, release branching flow for them each, etc?
[19:06] <M-bobsummerwill> Many thanks!
[19:06] <faenil> :)
[19:28] <dobey> M-bobsummerwill: they are all built primarily from the same Ubuntu archive. phone and iot images generally have to use custom kernels with proprietary drivers though, which are not in the archive; phone images also have some .click packages installed, which are not part of the ubuntu archive, and snappy-based images for iot things have snaps. i'm not entirely sure how much in the way of .deb packages the snap-based images use
[20:23] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the geonames mr!
[20:34] <mcphail> Is krillin v30 OTA9.1 or 9.0?
[20:35] <DanChapman> mcphail, 9.1
[20:35] <mcphail> DanChapman: Ta! I'll be able to test the new Dekko at last... ;)
[20:36] <DanChapman> :-) np!
[20:38] <M-bobsummerwill> dobey - Thanks for the info!
[20:40] <dobey> sure
[20:46] <mcphail> Wow. Document Viewer is now 66.6MB. That's a fat _and_ evil binary
[20:49] <ahayzen> mcphail, 66.6MB for an app with a libreoffice backend doesn't seem too bad :-)
[20:49] <ahayzen> at least it isn't in the 100s :')
[20:49] <mcphail> ahayzen: I remeber running MS Office on a machine with 32MB RAM total :)
[20:50] <ahayzen> heh
[20:51] <mcphail> DanChapman: have you dropped the bottom edge reply actions from dekko? I loved them...
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I have read-only off will my system break if I take the 9.1 update?
[20:54] <punkunity> hello
[20:54] <punkunity> I am trying to port ubuntu-touch to HTC One M8. I have experience porting various roms to a few devices
[20:55] <punkunity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15190791/
[20:55] <vill> Too bad utouch doesn't use CM11/12/13 or CAF AOSP as base
[20:55] <vill> Like sailfish
[20:57] <punkunity> yes
[20:57] <punkunity> would be nice
[20:57] <punkunity> especially 12 or 13
[20:57] <punkunity> i have to use cm11 device and kernel trees
[20:57] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, depends if you have modified anything, usually it is ok for me :-) you are in 'unsupported' territory though
[21:04] <ahoneybun> I just installed openstore and rockwork ahayzen
[21:05] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, you'll probably be ok, but don't hold me to that, and make sure your data is backed up :-)
[21:09] <punkunity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15190887/
[21:09] <dobey> ahoneybun: good time to go back to RO / :)
[21:16] <punkunity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15190933/
[21:17] <punkunity> anyone help me if they have time please
[21:24] <faenil> punkunity: it's difficult at this european time :/
[21:25] <punkunity> ok thanks
[21:25] <punkunity> i'll be on and off over the next few days
[21:25] <ahayzen> a lot of people are at conferences as well :-)
[21:25] <faenil> punkunity: ok :) try ondra when he's around
[21:25] <faenil> yeah, what ahayzen said :)
[21:25] <faenil> MWC this week
[21:25] <punkunity> ok cool
[21:25] <punkunity> ya forgot about that
[21:26] <punkunity> all good
[21:26] <punkunity> thanks guyus
[21:26] <punkunity> i am still messing with it on my own
[21:26] <faenil> sure :)
[21:42] <mterry> seb128, how do I push a change to an LP git repo for review?  I have a proposed change to geonames...  I'm looking at https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git, but get "src refspec country-codes does not match any" when I try to push
[21:53] <seb128> mterry, I don't remember exactly what I did, Laney wrote that when we discussed it on -desktop previous time
[21:53] <seb128> "	git remote set-url origin git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~geonames-dev/geonames/+git/geonames and then git push as normal"
[21:53] <seb128> or push to ~/geonames/+git/geonames
[21:53] <seb128> you can probably mr it then
[22:02] <vill> I hate fixing AOSP trees for dtb compability
[22:04] <mterry> seb128, thanks
[22:05] <seb128> mterry, yw
[22:06] <mterry> seb128, OK, I think I did this right  :)  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/geonames/+git/country-code/+merge/287106
[22:07] <mterry> my first time with git LP
[22:07] <seb128> mterry, seems like you did, well done ;-)
[22:07] <mterry> phew
[22:07]  * mterry wipes brow
[22:07] <devergnies> I installed the OTA-9.1 on my BQ Aquaris E5 Ubuntu edition and I have a problem with scopes
[22:12] <lpotter>  what problems?
[22:48] <faenil> lpotter: he started a thread on ubuntu-phone
[23:06] <lpotter> I need 3 phones.. 1 for normal release. 2 for proposed, and 3 for devel
[23:07] <timeax> Ipotter are u expert in portings of ubuntu touch?
[23:09] <lpotter> not really
[23:10] <lpotter> I probably know just enough to get me into real trouble :)
[23:10] <dobey> i know how to brick my phone
[23:10] <timeax> Ahahah lol
[23:10] <lpotter> still learning the ubuntu way of thinking
[23:10] <timeax> I bet i'm enough good on bricking too 😭
[23:11] <lpotter> really wish there was a backup system
[23:11] <timeax> Yep me too... We are on the same boat lol
[23:12] <timeax> I'm trying to port ubuntu touch on my mi2s
[23:12] <dobey> lpotter: tar works :)
[23:12] <lpotter> but I want lazy way :)
[23:13] <lpotter> should use git
[23:13] <timeax> I'm trying to build now but there are a lot of errors...
[23:16] <timeax> Its normal that i have to move a lot of files from some folders to others for making the build?
[23:16] <lpotter> what are you trying to build? and how?
[23:16] <dobey> he's trying to build the phablet/ tree
[23:16] <lpotter> ooooo
[23:17] <timeax> i'm following the guide linked in the topic
[23:17] <timeax> I wanna make a port of ubuntu touch for my xiaomi mi2s
[23:18] <timeax> Now it stopped...
[23:18] <timeax> 😖
[23:18] <dobey> but i don't know why the tree doesn't build for that. maybe it's missing stuff
[23:19] <timeax> Is there another way for make a build?
[23:19] <lpotter> would be cool if oe built ubuntu touch :)
[23:21] <timeax> You guys got some tips that could help me in the misson?
[23:22] <timeax> I'm goin out of mind...
[23:22] <timeax> Now the build stopped...it says that miss some rules
[23:23] <timeax> Now i have to finde some mk file and pull it at the right place...
[23:23] <faenil> timeax: you might want to try during european daytime ;)
[23:23] <timeax> What u mean?
[23:24] <timeax> Its late now?
[23:24] <faenil> timeax: that most of Canonical's employees are in Europe, and it's about midnight in Eu..
[23:25] <lpotter> prime time for them to be up and hacking!
[23:25] <faenil> hehe
[23:25]  * faenil raises his hand
[23:25] <timeax> Yep i'm from italy, 0:25 now
[23:26] <lpotter> I should try to install snappy on my old macmini
[23:26] <lpotter> put that on my growing list of tasks
[23:26] <faenil> timeax: cool, I'm italian :) (though working at Canonical's London office :) )
[23:26] <faenil> lpotter: the ever-growing TODO list you mean?
[23:26] <lpotter> yes.
[23:26] <faenil> :D
[23:27] <timeax> But i'm coming here at all hours of the day but  nobody talking
[23:27] <faenil> mmm
[23:27] <timeax> Cool so you speak italian?
[23:27] <faenil> there are many channels though...
[23:27] <faenil> of course :P
[23:28] <dobey> timeax: like was previously sade many times, it's not a good week. there are multiple conferences going on this week, and several people are away at those
[23:28] <faenil> right, I keep forgetting MWC
[23:28] <lpotter> I know Italian! pizza! woot! only word you need to know, really :)
[23:28] <faenil> lpotter: a couple of swear words wouldn't hurt :D
[23:28] <timeax> Yep...as always...i'm in the wrong place in the wrong moment...
[23:29] <timeax> Ahhahaha lol ipotter
[23:29] <faenil> timeax: if you want to avoid that, just post of the mailing list
[23:29] <faenil> on*
[23:30] <timeax> I prefer to talk directly with somebody of expert thats why i come here
[23:31] <timeax> So i could have an instantly reply
[23:31] <faenil> timeax: then you need some patience :) it's not like experts don't read mailing lists, by the way :)
[23:31] <faenil> sure, I understand your point...but you will not get that when people are sleeping :D
[23:31] <faenil> or away at a conference :D
[23:31] <timeax> Hahahha
[23:31] <timeax> When the mwc will end? 😝
[23:32] <faenil> end of this week
[23:32] <timeax> Finally ahaha
[23:33] <timeax> Anyway...talking about pizza...i live near naples lol
[23:33] <timeax> We have the best pizza's of the world 😏
[23:35] <timeax> Faenil so you work in canonical?
[23:36] <faenil> timeax: yeah
[23:36] <timeax> Ahah cool...very cool
[23:36] <faenil> timeax: and don't tell me about pizza...I miss pizza...so much :'(
[23:36] <lpotter> you're lucky
[23:36] <faenil> :)
[23:37] <lpotter> dont they have pizza hut in London? :)
[23:37] <faenil> omg xD
[23:37] <timeax> I could ship some at canonical's offices 😸
[23:37] <faenil> timeax: not sure it would get here in a good state :D
[23:38] <faenil> lpotter: but yeah, I've got a nice pizza place close to my flat, I definitely have to go there this weekend
[23:38] <timeax> Ahahah
[23:38] <lpotter> its mostly pizza
[23:38] <faenil> lpotter: PLEASE.
[23:38] <faenil> :D
[23:38] <lpotter> partly pizza?
[23:39] <faenil> I won't bash it too much because last time I had a pizza hut was...10 years ago (oh, I was young and stupid)
[23:39] <lpotter> do we use qml compiler?
[23:39] <faenil> let's say it happens to share the name
[23:40] <faenil> lpotter: we use some kind of qml cache, which has a similar approach afaik
[23:40] <lpotter> https://github.com/qmlc/qmlc
[23:40] <faenil> known
[23:40] <lpotter> I just learned about that one today :)
[23:41] <faenil> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201387019/QML-Compilation-unit-caching-and-JIT-changes.patch
[23:41] <timeax> What u do in canonical faenil?
[23:41] <faenil> that is what we're using
[23:41] <faenil> timeax: my role is UX Engineer...but I actually do is...I write UIs in C++ and QML
[23:41] <faenil> for phone/tablet/convergence
[23:42] <timeax> Nice bro ;)
[23:42] <faenil> :) thanks
[23:42] <faenil> it is nice indeed, I love my job :)
[23:43] <lpotter> me too. well, my job. I probably love your job too though. If thats ok
[23:43] <timeax> I'd bet on that...when ppls do what them like...its not a job 😸
[23:43] <faenil> timeax: well said :)
[23:43] <faenil> lpotter: glad to hear :) :)
[23:44] <faenil> lpotter: yeah, that's ok, love is free :)
[23:44] <lpotter> yay!
[23:44] <faenil> \o/
[23:44] <timeax> Ahahaah
[23:46] <timeax> Ok guys was a pleasure to meet u ;)
[23:47] <lpotter> cheers! and good luck.
[23:47] <timeax> Now i shut off my pc and go
[23:47] <timeax> See ya soon good night ppls
[23:51] <faenil> timeax: my pleasure :) good night!
[23:52] <faenil> lpotter: are you back on networking?
[23:52] <lpotter> back and forth. I like to work on more than one thing sometimes. why/ problems?
[23:53] <lpotter> QtNetworking for sure
[23:53] <faenil> lpotter: well, yeah, there are big problems with WiFi :(
[23:53] <lpotter> I know about some dns issues
[23:54] <faenil> like, doesn't always reconnect, issues with ESSID, etc..all logged, but I think people just don't have enough cycles to work on everything
[23:55] <faenil> lpotter: this is probably biggest annoyance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/615239
[23:55] <lpotter> my laptop does have wifi issues, but my phones do not
[23:56] <lpotter> wow, thats an old one
[23:56] <faenil> I'm tired of going around and seeing a password dialog for some "iPhone" AP, just because ones I connected to my friend's iphone hotspot...now whenever the device sees an iPhone AP it tries to connect, fails, and network-manager stops connecting to anything else until you cancel the UI dialog
[23:56] <faenil> (but the phone is in your pocket!)
[23:57] <faenil> it is old indeed :'(
[23:57] <faenil> plus I disable wifi, reenable it, and it take 2 mins (next scan interval) to see APs in the UI :(
[23:57] <faenil> or, it takes years before it recognizes some APs are gone, when it does..
[23:58] <faenil> sometimes I wake the phone up after a couple of hours, and it's still showing the APs that were available before I put it to suspend 2h before...
[23:58] <lpotter> wifi probably goes to sleep?
[23:59] <faenil> lpotter: not sure (it shouldn't show stale APs in any case)...otherwise why would it try to connect to "iPhone" while it's in my pocket
[23:59] <lpotter> ahhh ok
[23:59] <dobey> network-manager probably hasn't rescanned since