[00:00] <valorie> this feels so good
[00:28] <sgclark> clivejo: I don't know what ods is, but we need to use whaat ever debian is using. I we absolutely do not have the resources to support anything different.
[00:30] <clivejo> sgclark: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkolabxml.git/ or http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kolab/libkolabxml.git/
[00:31] <sgclark> uh kubuntu seems the safer route
[00:31] <clivejo> Ill have to look at it tomorrow, have to get some sleep now
[00:32] <sgclark> yeah no worries
[00:34]  * sgclark also takes a break
[00:34] <clivejo> I cant open KCI pages any more
[00:35] <sgclark> yourhint to sleep ! :)
[00:38] <valorie> sweet dreams, clivejo
[00:49] <sgclark> wow finally
[00:50] <valorie> oh this warms my heart
[00:51] <sgclark> we fixed them awhile ago. For whatever reason CI was broken with ssh errors.
[00:53] <valorie> <3
[00:54] <sgclark> noooo
[02:07] <ahoneybun> I'm going to give today's daily a try in a VM
[02:07] <ahoneybun> if all works I might wipe my laptop
[04:00] <ahoneybun> oh good
[04:00] <ahoneybun> *god
[04:54] <valorie> what the heck
[04:55] <valorie> randomly click on one of the failures, and it says: 0 errors, 0 warnings
[08:07] <yofel> sgclark: just asked flocculant to not release our beta images. Ubiquity is fine, so this was a success at least
[08:12] <valorie> user just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1549656 and I wonder if it can have anything to do with the pim troubles
[08:22] <yofel> nah, that's backports - we didn't even ship apps there
[08:22] <yofel> although that sounds somewhat familiar...
[08:22] <yofel> oh right, the qtbase abi stuff
[08:24] <valorie> ah, right
[08:24] <valorie> btw, are we ever moving things from wily backports-landing into backports?
[08:24] <valorie> not that it's a big deal, but it is better
[08:24] <valorie> imo
[08:34] <yofel> clivejo: ^ ?
[10:09] <clivejo> yofel: I dont use wily here at all.  soee_ arranged testing for plasma 5.5.4 and it appears to be stable.  
[10:10] <yofel> ok, then copy it please
[10:12] <clivejo> how?
[10:13] <yofel> just use the kopypackages command 
[10:14] <clivejo> gimme a minute, my head is in another space right now
[10:15] <yofel> sure, rather get it right instead of doing things in a hurry
[10:15] <clivejo> in a different space and time
[13:26] <sgclark> morning
[13:33] <clivejo> good morning sgclark
[13:33] <sgclark> morning clivejo
[13:33] <clivejo> sleep well?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:36] <sgclark> I did kinda sorta not really haha
[13:36] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[13:36] <clivejo> no no no but yeah
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[14:00] <clivejo> yofel sgclark these are failing due to upload
[14:00] <clivejo> kubuntu-ci/unstable has packages in it with an epoch
[14:00] <clivejo> which we removed in apps 15.12.1
[14:01] <sgclark> um unless they were reanmed, that is notpossible
[14:01] <sgclark> ugh
[14:01] <sgclark> lets try that again. Unless they were renamed we cannot drop the epoch
[14:02] <sgclark> if they were indeed renamed, you will need to delete the offending packages from the ppa
[14:03] <sgclark> it can take up to 24hours before they fully go away.
[14:03] <yofel> if they were indeed renamed, there should be no reason for the upload failure...
[14:03] <sgclark> true
[14:03] <yofel> unless someone mistakenly uploaded a package at some point
[14:04] <yofel> note: source rename is not sufficient here, rename of source and all binaries is
[14:05] <soee> :)
[14:08] <clivejo> yofel: what packages am I copying?
[14:08] <yofel> everything from backports-landing into backports
[14:10] <clivejo> ./kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing wily ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports wily ?
[14:11] <clivejo> bloody symbols
[14:11] <yofel> looks right..
[14:12] <yofel> look at the backports ppa page for any copy failures after that
[14:13] <clivejo> eakk
[14:13] <yofel> --sync can tell you errors during the copy process
[14:14] <yofel> but that's "officially deprecated" (I still use it all the time)
[14:14] <clivejo> http://lubuntu.me/happy-st-patrick/
[14:15] <yofel> hehe
[14:16] <clivejo> anyone with artist skills to do a Kubuntu one with Konqi?
[14:17] <yofel> didn't ahoneybun do some design stuff lately?
[14:18] <yofel> we don't really have a designer since sheytan stopped doing them
[14:18] <clivejo> is it just me or do JR and Linus T look very alike?!?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> it's just you :-)
[14:19] <yofel> right, totally just you
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Linus is quite ordinary looking, and much older than JR
[14:22] <clivejo> pim has final drove me mad!
[14:22] <soee> if you need some artwork talk to alexl on telegram chan
[14:23] <clivejo> soee: I dont *need* it
[14:23] <clivejo> just might be fun!
[14:23] <clivejo> need a bit of fun before KCI drives us all nuts
[14:25] <yofel> starting with next release we should do some fun stuff every now and then
[14:25] <yofel> I remember when the xubuntu team put a christmas wallpaper into the dailies for a while
[14:25] <yofel> that was nice
[14:26] <clivejo> how do I list the people on the Kubuntu channel on telegram?
[14:26] <clivejo> I can see 16 people but no idea who they are
[14:27] <BluesKaj> clivejo, what is about KCI that's causing so much trouble 
[14:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:27] <clivejo> numerious reasons
[14:27] <soee> clivejo: start typing @
[14:28] <soee> it will try to autocompete user name for you
[14:28] <BluesKaj> too numerous to mention , sounds serious ;/
[14:28] <clivejo> soee: would you ask him please?
[14:28] <soee> about what exactly ? 
[14:28] <soee> i'm not sure what this conversation here is about :D
[14:29] <clivejo> BluesKaj: LP problems, not enough packagers to fix the packaging issues. upstream causing confusion with public/private libs
[14:29] <clivejo> soee: http://lubuntu.me/happy-st-patrick/ maybe doing one for Kubuntu and Konqi
[14:30] <BluesKaj> clivejo, wish i could help, but unfortunately my skills aren't up to the tasks :/
[14:30] <clivejo> make Konqi into a leprechaun!
[14:30] <sgclark> heh did not know telegram group was still alive, left it due to spam
[14:31] <clivejo> yofel: just one failure - Copying failed of sddm (0.13.0-1ubuntu5~ubuntu15.10~ppa1) 
[14:31] <clivejo> sddm 0.13.0-1ubuntu5~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 in wily (version older than the sddm 0.13.0-1ubuntu5~ubuntu15.10~ppa2 in wily published in wily)
[14:31] <yofel> that's ok
[14:31] <yofel> thanks!
[14:31] <sgclark> <3 St Patrick's Day +1 to artwork
[14:31] <clivejo> yup
[14:31] <acheron88> my graphics skills began and ended with with MSPaint in about 1992
[14:32] <sgclark> lol
[14:32] <sgclark> Coral Paint here
[14:32] <clivejo> would be amazing if it could be done in Krita
[14:33] <sgclark> yes it would
[14:33] <acheron88> I try do do things in GIMP occasionally, and fail
[14:33] <acheron88> or Krita
[14:34] <clivejo> sgclark: Kolab OBS - https://obs.kolabsys.com/repositories/Kolab:/Winterfell/Ubuntu_16.04/
[14:34] <sgclark> ok? we still need to match debian.
[14:35] <sgclark> We simply do not have the resources to diverge from them at this point
[14:35] <sgclark> as you probably know..
[14:36] <clivejo> I know
[14:36] <clivejo> Im stripping out the useful stuff and intent to copy it into debian
[14:37] <clivejo> did you make the xenial branch - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkolabxml.git/
[14:38] <clivejo> I have a local one, didnt think I had pushed anything yet
[14:40] <sgclark> I have not touched kolab in over a year. never in debian git. looks like they did?
[14:40] <sgclark> seems to me clone it and typing uscan should do the trick..
[14:42] <clivejo> there is http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kolab/
[14:42] <clivejo> and Sandro Knauß works for Kolab Systems I believe
[14:44] <clivejo> but then we have http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/ for some reason
[14:45] <sgclark> yes he does
[14:45] <clivejo> all very confusing
[14:46] <clivejo> KCI has libkolab
[14:47] <clivejo> but not libkolabxml
[14:47] <clivejo> sitter: do you know why KCI only builds libkolab and not libkobalxml?
[14:49] <clivejo> can someone re-invite me to the kubuntu channel on telegram?
[14:52] <sitter> clivejo: latter has no ci branch
[14:52] <sgclark> me too
[14:52] <clivejo> sitter: is there a reason for that?
[14:52] <sitter> nobody created one
[14:52] <clivejo> could we create one?
[14:53] <sitter> sure
[14:53] <clivejo> I believe kdepim-runtime now needs it :/
[14:54] <clivejo> sitter: how do we create a new CI instance?
[14:54] <clivejo> or job or whatever the terminology is!
[14:54] <yofel> I don't have sgclark in my Telegram contacts, and clive has no username
[14:55] <clivejo> eakkk
[14:55] <clivejo> thats not Scarlett!
[14:57] <sitter> clivejo: one creates a branch and then smiles at me beguilingly
[14:57]  * clivejo smiles like a crazy person
[14:57] <yofel> there we go
[14:57] <yofel> Telegram is confusing
[14:58] <clivejo> thanks yofel
[14:58] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkolabxml.git/
[15:00] <clivejo> sitter: you need a kubuntu_unstable branch?
[15:01] <sitter> or _stable. or both. depends on what you wish to CI
[15:01] <soee> sitter: look like this http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140203012822/tdicamps/images/thumb/b/ba/Horse-smile.jpg/500px-Horse-smile.jpg ?
[15:02] <clivejo> thats no smile!
[15:02] <sitter> ^
[15:02] <soee> ah smile .. :D
[15:02] <sgclark> we need both
[15:03] <clivejo> sitter: Ive created a kubuntu_unstable
[15:03] <soee> http://875357559f655c0fd9842374.eventingnation.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Smiling-horse.jpg
[15:03] <clivejo> sgclark: we do?
[15:03] <sgclark> yes
[15:03] <clivejo> ok Ill add stable
[15:03] <clivejo> libkolab doesnt have a stable branch
[15:03] <clivejo> should it?
[15:03] <sgclark> stable is what is in staging ppa, would be nice to know of failure before we push to archive
[15:03] <sgclark> clivejo: yes pelase
[15:04] <clivejo> ok - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkolabxml.git/ for packaging
[15:04] <sgclark> my typing is extra horrendous today yay
[15:05] <clivejo> and added new stable branch here - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkolab.git/
[15:07] <clivejo> that horse needs its teeth brushed!
[15:11] <clivejo> sitter: Source : https://git.kolab.org/diffusion/LK/libkolabxml.git
[15:12] <sitter> it occurs to me that is pointing elsewhere
[15:41] <clivejo> sitter: what you mean - pointing elsewhere?
[15:42] <sitter> clivejo: git ls-remote https://git.kolab.org/diffusion/LK/libkolabxml.git
[15:42] <sitter> checkout the branch names
[15:42] <sitter> that's libkolab not libkolabxml xD
[15:46] <flexiondotorg_> Can I just confirm Kubuntu are not participating in Beta 1?
[15:48] <sgclark> Correct, until  our Ffe is approved we are stuck.
[15:48] <clivejo> yofel sgclark ^
[15:49] <clivejo> sitter: git clone https://git.kolab.org/diffusion/LKX/libkolabxml.git
[15:53] <flexiondotorg_> sgclark, Thanks. Sorry to hear that :-(
[15:53] <clivejo> sitter: do you know why KCI has stopped working out the downstream projects?
[15:54] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/search/?q=kolab
[15:54] <sitter> clivejo: should be working again I think
[15:55] <clivejo> oh yeah, its saying that kdepim-runtime and libkolab are downstream
[15:55] <clivejo> that wasnt working earlier
[15:55] <clivejo> did you fix it?
[15:57] <clivejo> sitter: many thanks
[15:59] <sitter> shadeslayer did
[16:00] <clivejo> its a very useful feature to find problems :)
[16:00] <clivejo> thanks shadeslayer
[16:00] <sitter> it's also required to have jobs built in the right order ;)
[16:05] <clivejo> indeed!
[16:14] <clivejo> now theres a surprise!
[16:42] <cyphermox> Riddell: hey, are you done committing to ubiquity? just want to make sure we don't conflict for a commit :)
[16:43] <cyphermox> (or you'll just want to pull again)
[16:53] <clivejo> o/ genii
[16:54] <clivejo> yippeeee
[16:54] <yofel> cyphermox: jonathan doesn't work on kubuntu anymore.
[16:54] <genii> Hi clivejo :)
[16:55] <yofel> oh, unless he sent in neon specific stuff
[16:55] <cyphermox> yofel: well he was committing to ubiquity earlier: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/6385
[16:55] <clivejo> yofel cyphermox: I believe hes been working on fixing and bradning the installer to Neon
[16:55] <yofel> right, brain lag -.-
[16:55] <cyphermox> I don't know of other places to reach him (other than email of course)
[16:56] <clivejo> http://weegie.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.png
[16:56] <clivejo> I must say I like it!
[16:56] <cyphermox> it's not a problem, I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't break his workflow by adding commits in between
[16:56] <yofel> cyphermox: #kde-neon, but here is fine
[16:56] <yofel> I was just confused for a moment
[16:56] <cyphermox> ack
[16:58] <cyphermox> you want to tell me when the installer changes are ready to land from your end? no point in making multiple uploads :)
[17:00] <clivejo> sgclark: I think libkolabxml is working now, so I have triggered a libkolab rebuild (compiled against the new libkolabxml)
[17:01] <sgclark> clivejo: great!! I have a meeting, can you rebuild kdepim-runtime after?
[17:02] <clivejo> sgclark: rebuild on KCI?
[17:02] <sgclark> and staging  ppa both
[17:02] <sgclark> probably kci first to see if it fixes our problem
[17:03] <clivejo> have to do a few things, but Ill rebuild on KCI
[17:03] <clivejo> tends to be easier to spot problems on KCI
[17:04] <clivejo> sitter: what is mgmt_daily_promotion_xenial_unstable ?
[17:08] <clivejo> yofel: extra-cmake-modules is throwing a lintian warning - BUILD_QTHELP_DOCS , Generate QtHelp documentation for installed modules.
[17:08] <clivejo> what does that mean?
[17:20] <sgclark> clivejo: looks like it is looking for a qt module? maybe new in 5.6?
[17:46] <Riddell> cyphermox: yeah I'm done for now thanks
[18:22] <cyphermox> Riddell: should I upload?
[19:04] <clivejo> sgclark: any idea why libkgapi - 5.1.0-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1  is in the kubuntu-ci unstable ppa?
[19:04] <sgclark> something required it
[19:04] <sgclark> I dont recall what
[19:04] <clivejo> in the KCI PPA?
[19:05] <sgclark> your asking me? is that what ppa your talking about?..
[19:06] <sgclark> I copied it due to something failing. if it bothers you then remove it
[19:06] <clivejo> Im just investigating why its failing
[19:06] <sgclark> oh it is? then remove it
[19:06] <clivejo> the package seems ok, just cant upload due to there being a newer version
[19:06] <sgclark> I lost track of the initial reason I copied it anyway
[19:06] <clivejo> trying to figure out where it came from
[19:07] <clivejo> if it is version 5.1, surely we should bump it
[19:07] <sgclark> upload where?
[19:07] <sgclark> what?
[19:07] <sgclark> I am so confused
[19:07] <clivejo> why?
[19:07] <clivejo> who?
[19:07] <clivejo> LOL
[19:07] <sgclark> hha
[19:08] <sgclark> libkgapi is not on the same version as app
[19:08]  * genii breaks out the extra-caffeinated stuff and passes the mugs around
[19:08] <sgclark> apps
[19:08] <sgclark> http://download.kde.org/stable/libkgapi/5.1.0/src/
[19:09] <sgclark> 5.1.0 is right
[19:09] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkgapi/
[19:09] <clivejo> then we need to bump it in KCI
[19:09] <sgclark> I think we do not have a CI branch though or something. ugh my head is killing me, can't think
[19:10] <sgclark> dang we do. why did I think we didn't
[19:10] <sgclark> ugh
[19:10] <clivejo> mind if I do it?
[19:11] <clivejo> is the packaging somewhere else too?
[19:11] <clivejo> I assumed it was here - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkgapi.git/
[19:11] <sgclark> I already packaged it..
[19:12] <clivejo> where?
[19:13] <sgclark> I amlooking. I will merge it when I find it
[19:13] <clivejo> no change to that packaging in 6 months
[19:13] <clivejo> on debian git always
[19:13] <clivejo> anyways
[19:19] <sgclark> ah maxy said I could use http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkgapi.git/
[19:19] <sgclark> clivejo: ^
[19:19] <clivejo> aye, this is our problem
[19:20] <Riddell> cyphermox: sure
[19:20] <clivejo> KCI must be using http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/libkgapi.git/
[19:21] <clivejo> we need some kind of standard on this
[19:24] <sgclark> well sadly it is up to the maintainer. I would prefer to keep to using debians branches, but it gets tricky with kde-extras
[19:24] <sgclark> in this particular case though we have permission
[19:25] <sgclark> sitter: how do we change the repo in kci?
[19:26] <sgclark> ugh I think this migraine is going to win
[19:48] <clivejo> F'ing symbols
[19:56] <ahoneybun> well that 16.04 daily installed fine in a VM but not real hardware lol
[19:56] <ahoneybun> the partitioning failed
[20:25] <clivejo> I hate akonadi/PIM and the whole entire stack!
[20:45] <ahoneybun> sgclark, I'm getting some downloads done in 15.10, what do I need to add to get a building system up?
[20:46] <ahoneybun> also I have an SSD in here so things should be fast
[20:46] <ahoneybun> or decent lol
[21:00] <sgclark> ahoneybun: backorts ppa
[21:00] <ahoneybun> right, getting that now
[21:00] <sgclark> backports too
[21:00] <ahoneybun> both lol
[21:02] <clivejo> https://youtu.be/nlHiHP98g5M
[21:02] <ahoneybun> mparillo, how is the NVIDIA stuff currently?
[21:02] <clivejo> LMAO
[21:03] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:13] <mparillo> ahoneybun: I do not know. All I know is that Xenial works for me in both a VM and on real HW.
[21:14] <ahoneybun> mm I let 15.10 go and it is a black screen with the mouse moving
[21:15] <mparillo> Hmmm, BluesKaj has helped others with a similar issue
[21:16] <ahoneybun> I was updating so I'm a bit scared to reboot
[21:16] <ahoneybun> tty works
[21:16] <ahoneybun> it did
[21:20] <ahoneybun> you should have removed the ~test1 off of the package lol
[21:45] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:45] <ahoneybun> how SDDM just restarts
[21:45] <ahoneybun> I login, it goes black and then back to login
[21:51] <ahoneybun> fixed
[21:51] <ahoneybun> holy crap 5.5.3 is pretty
[22:00] <valorie> so much green today!
[22:01] <valorie> would be nice get all the xenial reds turned to green
[22:02] <soee> ahoneybun: i think it is/was intel related bug
[22:02] <soee> i had it often on intel profile, but not now on nvidia
[22:03] <ahoneybun> soee, using the intel card gave me a glitchy screen sometimes
[22:03] <ahoneybun> always on the tip
[22:03] <ahoneybun> *top
[22:03] <soee> disable/enable effects
[22:03] <ahoneybun> I have nvidia on now
[22:04] <soee> ah ok :)
[22:05] <ahoneybun> we'll see how hib works lol
[22:08] <ahoneybun> soee, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2TUlScG9MbjJuc3M/view?usp=sharing
[22:08] <soee> :)
[22:08] <valorie> pretty!
[22:09] <ahoneybun> I do like it ALOT
[22:09] <ahoneybun> hugs to sgclark, yofel, and clivejo 
[22:09] <soee> ahoneybun: Plasma 5.6 will be more smooth than 5.5
[22:09] <valorie> btw ahoneybun, you've not been around lately, so I should mention that the kde wikis are read-only for right now
[22:10] <valorie> they have been upgraded and just the new login is left to finish
[22:10] <ahoneybun> valorie, I saw that when Alex from telegram asked me to add a link to our group chat
[22:10] <valorie> they were hit spam attacks
[22:10] <valorie> ok
[22:10] <ahoneybun> yea so was the Ubuntu Wiki
[22:10] <ahoneybun> I was thinking of adding that to the topic but it is so fun now!
[22:10] <valorie> I can fix for now, I have editing powerz
[22:10] <clivejo> ahoneybun: enable landing and upgrade to 5.5.4
[22:11] <valorie> clivejo: are you putting that into backports today?
[22:11] <ahoneybun> valorie, I'll pm you the telegram link and you can add it?
[22:11] <clivejo> copied today 
[22:11] <valorie> yes, if you tell me the page
[22:11] <valorie> oooo, nice!
[22:11] <valorie> sec
[22:12] <clivejo> valorie: is there anything we can do to get our FFE accepted?
[22:13] <sgclark> ...
[22:20] <ahoneybun> sgclark, I've updated fully I believe, what can I do?
[22:20] <sgclark> go back in time and help us with merges. 
[22:20] <sgclark> ahoneybun:  a bit late :) we are waiting on ubuntu release team to accept our Ffe
[22:20] <clivejo> ahoneybun: fix pim
[22:21] <sgclark> clivejo: nothing to fix needs kolab
[22:21] <ahoneybun> mm as Google would say "Tardis function is not available"
[22:21] <ahoneybun> sgclark, ^
[22:21]  * sgclark winders why she is here
[22:21] <ahoneybun> FFE?
[22:21] <sgclark> feature freeze exception
[22:22] <ahoneybun> sgclark, https://youtu.be/L9_gsh4Ktsc?t=23
[22:22] <ahoneybun> sgclark, https://youtu.be/L9_gsh4Ktsc?t=21
[22:33] <valorie> sgclark: the red stuff in kci still need fixing, right?
[22:33] <valorie> ahoneybun could help with that?
[22:33] <valorie> and the packager doc
[22:35] <ahoneybun> mm I need to ask questions about that 
[22:36] <sgclark> muon needs to be removed.
[22:37] <sgclark> alot of red right now is working itself out. We are still recovering from the ssh breakage.
[22:37] <sgclark> but yes ahoneybun feel free to help with whatever you are comfortable with
[22:38] <ahoneybun> well with the Docs I would like a hangout so I can get an idea of what we need to tell new packagers and key info 
[22:39] <ahoneybun> so we know how we want to format it and present it
[22:47] <valorie> ahoneybun: we have the notes
[22:47] <valorie> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[22:47] <valorie> I think they got a bit neglected as the rush was on
[22:48] <valorie> what I was planning to do was try to use what we have to set up and package something, and add anything a newb would need
[22:48] <valorie> since I'm a total newb
[22:53] <ahoneybun> I think we should documentation how we go about packaging something simple and then detail what to do if that does not work
[22:53] <ahoneybun> like clivejo and his symbols
[22:55] <kkinetix> valorie: ahoneybun: I could happily comment on the kubuntu-packaging notes page, being a full newb to the kubuntu/ubuntu/debian packaging process
[22:55] <valorie> agreed
[22:55] <valorie> kkinetix: all you need is a KDE Identity to login to that notes page
[22:56] <valorie> yes, we need more beginners making it better
[22:56] <kkinetix> I have that... I'm saying I've been looking at it and have some comments on it
[22:56] <valorie> the experts already know -- it's us beginners who have the questions, and need a doc
[22:57] <sgclark> We have one expert - yofel >.<
[22:58] <kkinetix> valorie: Right, exactly.  I think the whole "What you need" section needs to go.  They sound like pre-requisites to doing any packaging, and they're clearly not.  They're thing that can come afterward after you've got familiar with some simple packages onesself.
[22:58] <clivejo> git clone yofel
[22:58] <sgclark> right! lol
[22:58] <kkinetix> I think it's amusing that the "What you need" section states "A KDE identity account for access to the team notepads" -- you can't be reading this document if you haven't gone and got a KDE Identity account
[22:58] <yofel> that reminds me of the apachelogger class that harald had once
[22:58] <clivejo> something really strange going on with kactivities
[22:58] <yofel> good old times
[22:59] <valorie> well, "go" as in move elsewhere
[22:59] <valorie> kkinetix: we intent to move this to the wiki once it is more done
[22:59] <valorie> and the wikis are open for editing
[22:59] <clivejo> yofel: can you give some guidance on what debian git repos we should use?
[22:59] <sgclark> well perhaps change it to "what you need to apckage for Kubuntu"
[23:00] <yofel> clivejo: context?
[23:00] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: that is entirely up to debian : yofel: context: kde-extras packages
[23:00] <clivejo> libkolab, libkolabxml, libkgapi
[23:01] <sgclark> all kde-extras ^\
[23:01] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu/
[23:01] <soee> someone want to answer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117234606839873900533/posts/VDhBT3vwUmV ?
[23:01] <yofel> hm, that's up to debian. I *think* they said us using the kde related repositories was fine
[23:01] <clivejo> I have been using this archive, as this is what KCI uses
[23:02]  * clivejo bites tongue
[23:02] <clivejo> Ill pass soee
[23:02] <yofel> just make sure the package is maintained by debian-qt-kde, otherwise you'll probably annoy someone
[23:02] <sgclark> soee: done
[23:02] <yofel> OTOH, you only have access to that anyway
[23:03] <soee> sgclark: thank you
[23:04] <kkinetix> valorie: I know there's a lot of prerequisite reading to do to make sense of parts of this document, but if it's for newbies there's lots of "Do *this*" statements in it that need to either provide examples or syntax or answer "How, exactly, again?"
[23:04] <sgclark> right, so it is better to get permission, because those kubuntu repos will not have activity from debian in most cases. we should update kci as need, if I can get instructions on how to do so..
[23:04] <yofel> oh right
[23:07] <clivejo> can debian merge them together ?
[23:08] <clivejo> and delete the kubuntu repo?
[23:12] <sgclark> well they are our repos, I expect the job of merging would be ours. They have to delete though. First and foremost we need to collect the names of all packages in this situation and ask them for each of them.
[23:12]  * sgclark makes trello card
[23:14] <ahoneybun> sgclark, what is the kci building? Applications?
[23:16] <sgclark> ahoneybun: everything. We had a bit of a blowup with an ssh failure. THese are rebuilds recovering from that.
[23:16] <ahoneybun> ok ok
[23:16] <ahoneybun> *oh ok
[23:17]  * clivejo is going "Build Now" mad
[23:35]  * clivejo explodes in rage
[23:37] <valorie> look at the green!
[23:37] <valorie> not just the red
[23:42] <ahoneybun> someone just bought me a Razer keyboard as a joke
[23:42] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:49] <clivejo> time for bed
[23:49]  * genii puts the coffee away and gets out the beer
[23:52] <valorie> ahoneybun: https://community.kde.org/Telegram is the page, I just need the invite link (right now we just have kubuntu official there)
[23:59] <ahoneybun> sgclark, thank you for repling to that G+ post
[23:59] <sgclark> np