[03:35] <ChibaPet> Hm, nvidia-352-updates, still no joy with vlc.
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> Will 16.04 have snappy packages?
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> And Unity 8 as an option?
[07:49] <micw> hi
[07:50] <micw> will there be a beta1 release of 16.04 today?
[08:04] <spm_draget> Does Ubuntu Xenial support Java8 via some official package?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> !find java8
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> !info openjdk-8-jdk xenial
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> spm_draget: ^ this what you looking for?
[08:06] <spm_draget> Ah, thanks. Was looking for oracle… but yeah, openjdk
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !java
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195735/
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> apt-get -f install wont fix it
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> any idea how i could fix that?
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> i cant install any pkg till its fixed
[09:06] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195807/ apt-get -f install output
[09:09] <CryptoSiD> i tryed mv html5lib-0.999-py2.py3-none-any.whl to html5lib-0.999-py2.py3-none-any.whl.back and then apt-get -f install again, but i have the same error
[10:09] <micw> spm_draget, there's a really good ppa for oracle java
[10:10] <micw> but i'd perfer openjdk. is has far better integration (e.g. it receives frequent ssl ca updates because it uses the system's ca database)
[10:27] <spm_draget> Okay, thanks
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195735/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195807/ apt-get -f install output
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> id need help to fix that please
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> i cant install any other package till its fixed
[12:26] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: Install that package with the dpkg flag '--force-overwrite'.
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> can i use this flag with apt-get?
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> nope
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> will download the deb then
[12:27] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: You have already downloaded it ;)
[12:28] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-pip-whl_8.0.2-7_all.deb
[12:28] <CryptoSiD> right just noticed that lol, my bad
[12:29] <CryptoSiD> thanks a lot!
[12:29] <CryptoSiD> worked:)
[12:32] <lordievader> No problem, glad it works.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:52] <spm_draget> In xenial, installing 'phpmyadmin' pulls 'php5-cli php5-common'… despite I already installed 'php' (which pulls php7.0)
[15:52] <spm_draget> Will php5 and php7 be installed side by side then? Or how does this work?
[18:34] <BenLubar> python-pip-whl is breaking today's apt dist-upgrade
[18:34] <BenLubar> oh, actually it looks like autoremove might fix that
[18:37] <BenLubar> ok, how do I remove python-html5lib-whl and update python-pip-whl at the same time?
[18:43] <BenLubar> ok, turns out the problem was virtualenv, which I've uninstalled because I no longer need it
[19:02] <drhalan> hi all. has anyone had this problem before? i can't get to the grub menu. When i hold down shift it just shows "grub loading" and then continues to boot the default kernel...
[19:03] <alkisg> drhalan: try the left ctrl key
[19:03] <alkisg> Or, just reset it before it completely boots :D
[19:05] <drhalan> i tried both holding and pushing the left ctrl but doesn't seem to do anything
[19:06] <drhalan> my system currently doesn't boot (i have an encrypted HD and it gets stuck before promting me for a password)
[19:06] <alkisg> ...maybe boot from a usb stick and change grub.cfg then?
[19:07] <alkisg>  /boot isn't encrypted, is it?
[19:08] <drhalan> yeah i can try that
[19:08] <drhalan> i dont't hink it can
[19:09] <tomreyn> yes it can be, but it's a non-standard setup
[19:59] <SafPlusPlus> I assume there wouldn't be many too noticable differences between the current nightly Xenial server build and the upcoming beta1, right?
[20:01] <k1l> rule of thumb: if you need to ask about stability, dont run it as production or important system :)
[20:03] <SafPlusPlus> Well, ofc... more that I'm installing and testing to see what I can expect to upgrade to... :)
[20:03] <k1l> i am using it as daily system already.
[20:04] <SafPlusPlus> Thing is, out of the box, it's running more services than I'd expect it to...
[20:05] <SafPlusPlus> Was wondering if some services were enable by default in the nightly which wouldn't be once in beta...
[20:05] <SafPlusPlus> (or once from release for that matter)
[21:29] <drhalan> so how do i set things like GRUB_TIMEOUT in grub.cfg?
[21:29] <ChibaPet> drhalan: /etc/default/grub usually
[21:29] <drhalan> yeah but in my case / is encrypted
[21:29] <drhalan> and i can only modify /boot
[21:29] <ChibaPet> Um.
[21:30] <ChibaPet> You set it in /etc/default/grub, and then update-grub.
[21:30] <drhalan> unless i figure out how to mount my encrypted root filesystem
[21:31] <ChibaPet> Oh. Boot from a desktop ISO and chroot in to fix things then. I'm not sure GRUB_TIMEOUT should be your primary concern if you've gotten to where you can't descrypt your root fs.
[21:31] <drhalan> yeah thats what ive been doing
[21:31] <drhalan> tried form the command line to mound the drive for a while, now i figured out that the gui can do it just fine :D
[21:31] <ChibaPet> It's worth learning how to do it on the command line.
[21:31] <ChibaPet> man cryptsetup
[21:32] <ChibaPet> Are you running a RAID?
[21:32] <ChibaPet> Note that you can hose up your config by letting the rescue environment spin up your MD-RAIDs under the wrong names, which then get stamped into the on-disk config.
[21:32] <drhalan> no i am not using raid nor lvm i think
[21:32] <ChibaPet> kk
[21:33] <drhalan> can i just chroot to / and run update grup? or do i need to mount /proc or something
[21:33] <ChibaPet> If you were, it's worth assembling them as the correct md? device by hand.
[21:33] <ChibaPet> drhalan: You need to bind mount a few things. Half a sec and I'll find a good reference.
[21:35] <drhalan> thanks :)
[21:35] <ChibaPet> https://bpaste.net/show/a5d08b32ddce
[21:35] <ChibaPet> The references I want to give you are all about setting up ZFS root. Too much to wade through to find what you need. And so, that paste.
[21:36] <ChibaPet> It's useful if you know in advance what you had before as the decrypted name. Before making any changes, you might find this (once you mount the FS, before you bind mount or make any changes) in /etc/crypttab
[21:36] <ChibaPet> If so, you can then back out, cryptsetup luksClose, and then re-open with the right name.
[21:37] <ChibaPet> This might not matter. initramfs-tools might just get their idea from fstab and crypttab. But it can't hurt to be meticulous.
[21:39] <k1l> drhalan: boot your system, then change the defaults in /etc/default/grub, ten run update-grub.
[21:40] <k1l> or if its an issue with booting then just change the file in /boot once
[21:41] <ChibaPet> Oh, that's no fun.
[21:42] <ChibaPet> He can be a rescue-system ninja with a little practise.
[21:56] <drhalan> when updateing grub i get something like "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1". not sure if that is a problem?
[21:56] <drhalan> also, is there an easy way to just reset /etc/default/grub to default?
[21:57] <ChibaPet> Hrm. Reinstalling the relevant packages (grub-pc in this case?) might do it. Or find a pristine copy.
[21:58] <ChibaPet> This is what I've got in there on my work desktop, running Trusty: https://bpaste.net/show/257f787f0e6f
[22:00] <ChibaPet> As for the error message, I'm not sure. More context might help.
[22:01] <drhalan> that's the settings I've had
[22:02] <drhalan>  i just don't get grub to show up. nor does it mount /
[22:04] <ChibaPet> drhalan: UEFI system? BIOS?
[22:06] <ChibaPet> How many drives? If you're using grub-pc/BIOS, something I like to do is dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, which will show you what the package sees as targets for grub installation.
[22:07] <ChibaPet> Here, for instance - again, 14.04 because I'm looking at my work desktop as an example: https://bpaste.net/show/0e139bf8e2ad
[22:09] <drhalan> i think its uefi
[22:09] <ChibaPet> drhalan: FWIW, normally I expect errors from your initrd. That you're not actually seeing GRUB makes me think it's going to be less twitchy to fix.
[22:09] <ChibaPet> Um. Can you pastebin the partition table please?
[22:10] <ChibaPet> If it's UEFI, it's a slightly different kettle of fish, with a couple possible solutions.
[22:11] <Jordan_U> Is more the default pager in 16.04? Man, git, and various other commands are using more instead of less as a pager and it's rather annoying.
[22:14] <ChibaPet> Jordan_U: export PAGER=less
[22:16] <Jordan_U> ChibaPet: I know, but why was the default changed?
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Is this an intentional change or a bug? I'm seeing /etc/alternatives/pager pointing to /bin/more on a recent daily LiveCD image of Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.
[22:19] <ChibaPet> I'd imagine it was intentional, and I have no clue why, but it's easily set to whatever you like. That said, I'd think less(1) would be the more reasonable default, but I've long since stopped expecting OS vendors to adhere to my ideas of reasonableness.
[22:20] <Jordan_U> I can't imagine why *anyone* would want more to be the default pager.
[22:20] <ChibaPet> I mean, it *works*. Dunno.
[22:21] <Jordan_U> I don't cobsider not being able to scroll up working.
[22:22]  * Jordan_U goes and files a bug report
[22:24] <drhalan> i don't even care about fixing grub that much... just would like to get the system booting again
[22:24] <drhalan> i just installed the newest kernel from proposed and ran update-grub again but it didn't help :/
[22:25] <ChibaPet> drhalan: Installing a kernel seems like the wrong answer if GRUB isn't loading at boot time.
[22:25] <ChibaPet> You want to walk through the minimally-invasive options *first* or you just add more variables.
[22:25] <drhalan> grub is loading. i just doesn't show the menu
[22:25] <drhalan> i just tries to boot the default kernel
[22:26] <ChibaPet> It's loading, and then.
[22:26] <ChibaPet> Okay. And?
[22:26] <drhalan> ther kernel boots detects my keyboard and such but does not mount / (which is encrypted)
[22:26] <drhalan> nor does it prompt for a passowrd
[22:27] <ChibaPet> Can you capture error messages from the end of the boot attempt?
[22:27] <ChibaPet> Sounds like your initramfs might be horqued after all.
[22:27] <ChibaPet> And please post your partition scheme to help us suss out if you're booting under UEFI or not.
[22:32] <drhalan> there aren't any. but it really seems like the kernel boots up fine. I can even plug in an external monitor and use my docking station
[22:32] <drhalan> you mean the output from fdisk?
[22:34] <ChibaPet> Maybe fdisk, maybe gdisk. I'm thinking you might want to consider sticking with a stable release - some of these questions shouldn't be necessary for someone running a testing release. No insult intended, but things *will* break.
[22:35] <drhalan> yeah sure... i mean i have all my data backed up
[22:37] <drhalan> i'm pretty used to the development releases bricking my machines already :P
[22:38] <ChibaPet> Well. Things to focus on, then... Find out if you're running UEFI, and what kind of partitioning scheme you've got. Look at where GRUB and other bits get installed. Go into a properly set-up chroot, rebuild your initramfs and make sure GRUB's config is sane.
[22:39] <ChibaPet> Maybe look at an article or two on interacting with the busybox shell, and see if your crypto modules are loaded. If the tools are there, you can decrypt and mount root and proceed manually.
[23:42] <Jordan_U> Looks like the more/less bug is fixed in the latest daily image.