[10:20] <tjaalton> pushed mesa 11.2.0-rc1 to ppa:tjaalton/ppa
[14:20] <alkisg> Hi, is xserver-xorg-lts-wily supposed to be installable in 14.04/amd64? Its dependencies are not satisfiable here... (a long list)
[14:21] <tjaalton> see the wiki on lts kernels
[14:21] <tjaalton> it needs a special command to pull in all that's needed..
[14:22] <alkisg> Ah, thanks, looking...
[14:28] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily 
[14:28] <alkisg> ...doesn't do it for me either
[14:28] <alkisg> I also removed all my custom sources.list, in case the interfered, they didn't
[14:29] <tjaalton> what does it say?
[14:30] <alkisg> Maybe the problem is related to me having installed the -lts-vivid ones first?
[14:30] <tjaalton> likely
[14:30] <alkisg> Let me paste both the apt-get and aptitude outputs, as apt-get is vague
[14:30] <tjaalton> need to revert to stock packages first
[14:31] <alkisg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15197494/
[14:31] <alkisg> (apt-get)
[14:31] <alkisg> OK, reverting, thank you...
[14:31] <alkisg> That was not the case in 12.04 btw
[14:32] <alkisg> It was possible to e.g. install 12.04.3 and upgrade to 12.04.4
[14:32] <tjaalton> don't think i've even tried a direct upgrade
[14:33] <tjaalton> maybe wiki is missing some pkg
[14:33] <alkisg> Meh downgrading also has issues :-/
[14:33] <alkisg> Digging deeper...
[14:36] <alkisg> My xorg-vivid installation line was: http://paste.debian.net/403581/
[14:37] <tjaalton> that command works on a trusty chroot
[14:38] <alkisg> I'm guessing the xorg-vivid package pulled some things that apt doesn't know how to get rid of now
[14:38] <tjaalton> do you have some dev pkgs installed?
[14:39] <tjaalton> guess that's not the issue here tho
[14:39] <alkisg> http://paste.debian.net/403583/
[14:40] <tjaalton> right
[14:45]  * alkisg tries it partially, first installing linux-generic, rebooting, removing linux-*lts-vivid and then going on to xorg
[14:45] <tjaalton> the error looks familiar, though I can't remember what it could be..
[14:46] <tjaalton> the kernel is totally separate iirc
[14:46] <tjaalton> at least there should be no conflicts
[14:47] <tjaalton> oh, haha. the chroot has no X by default
[14:47] <alkisg> :)
[14:48] <alkisg> tjaalton: my bad, the second command (multiarch) did it
[14:49] <alkisg> Maybe it's related to wine pulling wine:i386
[14:49] <tjaalton> might be
[14:49] <tjaalton> looks like wily installs fine over vivid, at least on the chroot
[14:50] <tjaalton> so the revert to stock was just for robustness testing
[14:50] <tjaalton> not actually needed
[14:50] <alkisg> Got it, thanks a lot tjaalton :)
[14:51] <tjaalton> I should install sudo on all chroots.. .)
[14:51] <tjaalton> :)
[14:51] <tjaalton> schroot rocks
[14:53] <alkisg> Unrelated, will we ever be able to install the nvidia* drivers and fglrx* drivers in a system, and only have them loaded when they detect an actual nvidia or fglrx card?
[14:53] <alkisg> It's been a long standing wish of ltsp users :)
[14:54] <tjaalton> fglrx is gone
[14:54] <tjaalton> finally
[14:54] <tjaalton> 16.04 won't have it
[14:54] <alkisg> Ah, that's one good thing!
[14:54] <tjaalton> libglvnd will happen once redhat (ajax) makes it work
[14:54] <tjaalton> then you can have nvidia and mesa installed
[14:54] <tjaalton> or something like that
[14:54] <alkisg> Finally! :)
[14:55]  * alkisg wishes he'll see that in 18.04
[14:55] <tjaalton> and vulkan was designed with this in mind
[14:55] <tjaalton> I guess we can have it backported, it's just one library
[14:55] <alkisg> If it goes in some lts* stack for 16.04, even better!!!
[14:56] <tjaalton> yeah ajax has said he'll look into it in the coming months
[14:56] <tjaalton> so maybe 16.10 timeframe, maybe not
[14:57] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton, rebooting to the newer -wily stack... :)
[14:58] <tjaalton> yw
[15:00] <alkisg> All good! Purging the -vivid kernel...
[17:21] <marlinc> Mmm tjaalton not sure why the crashes are happening again
[17:21] <marlinc> It only happens when I move my second screen from the default location on the right to the left
[17:22] <marlinc> That's what happened before as well
[17:23] <marlinc> This is the monitors.xml config that causes it to happen, not sure what's so special about it: https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/e4cde9f72b600ca32197
[17:26] <tjaalton> marlinc: feel free to test ppa:canonical-x/x-staging now, it works with nvidia prime
[17:34] <marlinc> Okay, will do that ;)
[17:40] <marlinc> Okay, this might be a bit unfair as I have a ton of updates that I got to install but lets see what happens
[17:50] <marlinc> It appears to work tjaalton 
[17:50] <marlinc> Any time frame on the stuff arriving in main and universe?
[17:50] <marlinc> Need me to do some more testing?
[17:54] <tjaalton> early next week
[17:57] <marlinc> Anything you'd like me to test tjaalton? If not I'll reboot, thanks a lot :)
[17:58] <tjaalton> if it works then fine
[17:58] <tjaalton> that's enough for me
[18:00] <marlinc> Okay :)