[00:37] <Nairwolf> apparently, there is a workaround. I need to delete all the disk before installation. I will try that tomorrow
[06:59] <zequence> You have the ubuntu indicators too? Meaning, double occurances of some stuff, like clock, batter power, etc
[07:22] <Unit193> zequence: Do you have xfpm and indicator-power?
[08:22] <zequence> Unit193: Not sure what xfpm is, but yes, there's an indicator for power
[08:23] <zequence> It's the same problem we've hade the last few years
[08:23] <zequence> ..before release, that is
[08:23] <zequence> So far it's been something that Ubuntu devs had to correct
[08:23] <zequence> Some dependency problem
[09:17] <zequence> Unit193: But, you don't have that?
[09:39] <zequence> flocculant: You know anything about that?
[10:31] <Unit193> zequence: No?
[10:44] <bluesabre> zequence: screenshot?
[10:47] <bluesabre> zequence: quick comparison of our indicators from the iso manifests, https://paste.ubuntu.com/15196225/
[11:06] <bluesabre> flocculant: b1 is looking fine to me
[11:06] <bluesabre> (in vbox)
[11:42] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, has the slide show been updated yet or is that going to be done on RC?
[11:43] <Akxwi-dave> also logged a new bug 1549732 from latest iso
[11:44] <bluesabre> Akxwi-dave: Slideshow is usually updated later, around UI freeze or a bit later
[11:48] <bluesabre> New catfish release last night, https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.4/1.4.1, in -staging, will upload to xubuntu tonight
[11:49] <bluesabre> also expecting to make the switch to the Noto font tonight
[11:49] <bluesabre> So a few goodies expected in tomorrow's image
[11:50] <knome> bluesabre, i just looked at the issue with mousepad search highlights, and it seems like mousepad will always show the search highlight with the same yellow bg, eg. it doesn't seem to understand the setting in the theme
[11:51] <knome> bluesabre, want to hack mousepad? [:
[11:53] <Akxwi-dave> cheer bluesabre, wont bother with that yet then..
[11:56] <bluesabre> knome: that sounds annoying, suppose I can take a look
[11:56] <bluesabre> knome: in case I do find it, what's the offending setting?
[11:56] <knome> benonsoftware, <style name="search-match" foreground="white" background="green" />
[11:56] <knome> err, bluesabre 
[11:56] <knome> as you can see, i don't ask for the yellow highlight
[11:57] <knome> i'll update the bug too
[11:57] <bluesabre> knome: thanks
[11:57] <knome> well
[11:57] <knome> the bug actually says that
[11:58] <knome> ok, updated bug 1508192
[11:59] <knome> also posted an URL i bumped into when looking at the issue which might be useful
[11:59] <bluesabre> knome: seeing the same search highlight in gedit
[11:59] <bluesabre> fwiw
[12:00] <knome> hmm.
[12:00] <ochosi> hey everyone
[12:00] <knome> well apparently it has worked in gedit, since the description says so...
[12:00] <knome> ochosi, hello
[12:00] <knome> ochosi, do you have 15 mins or so?
[12:01] <bluesabre> knome: https://i.imgur.com/rXlWzDY.png
[12:01] <knome> bluesabre, oh right, sure
[12:01] <knome> that's the "selection" style
[12:01] <knome> type "pizza" twice in the document
[12:01] <knome> and make sure gedit highlights them all
[12:01] <knome> that style isn't working (at least)
[12:02] <bluesabre> aha
[12:02] <knome> i can fix the "current selection" style, i think
[12:02] <bluesabre> yes, it turns green after the search finishes
[12:02] <knome> yeah
[12:02] <knome> so that's not working in mousepad at least
[12:02] <bluesabre> that's probably the bug
[12:02] <knome> yes
[12:02] <knome> that's the other bug
[12:03] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[12:03] <ochosi> knome: hmm, 15mins not really
[12:03] <ochosi> but let's try
[12:03] <ochosi> what's up?
[12:03] <Akxwi-dave> hi ochosi 
[12:04] <knome> ochosi, http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series
[12:04] <knome> ochosi, since we both like gmb, we could simply collaborate on the article so no need to merge it up
[12:04] <knome> and that we don't repeat stuff too much
[12:12] <knome> ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-gmb
[12:13] <ochosi> humm yeah, with the only downside that i don't really use it anymore...
[12:13] <knome> what do you use then? :P
[12:13] <ochosi> i've pretty much switched to spotify
[12:14] <knome> hahah
[12:14] <ochosi> maybe not a definite switch, but for now it's the most practical solution
[12:14] <zequence> Hmm, wonder why we get those. Ok, thanks bluesabre 
[12:14] <ochosi> hi Akxwi-dave 
[12:15] <knome> ochosi, for purposes of this article series, i think it would be fair if you pretended like you use it though
[12:20] <bluesabre> :D
[12:37] <ochosi> hehe
[12:37]  * ochosi is the big pretender
[12:37] <ochosi> (not to confuse with the big spender)
[12:37] <bluesabre> :)
[12:40] <knome> ochosi, i've left you the honor to talk more about shimmer for gmb
[12:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - I'll mark them then 
[12:45] <bluesabre> flocculant: great, thanks!
[12:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: no upgrade testing has gone on - and there are apparently issues - I will put a warning to that effect on the release note
[12:46] <flocculant> "There be dragons here" or something :p
[12:47] <knome> flocculant, announcement too, plz
[12:47] <flocculant> knome: mousepad - are we saying we can't do anything about the useless highlighting?
[12:47] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool\
[12:48] <bluesabre> flocculant: just means somebody needs to fix it ;)
[12:48] <flocculant> knome: ack
[12:48] <knome> flocculant, we can do something for the "current" highlight
[12:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: for lts? 
[12:48] <knome> flocculant, but not the "highlight all" stuff... unless bluesabre or somebody else fixes mousepad
[12:48] <flocculant> knome: ok - that's certainly better than nothing 
[12:48] <bluesabre> flocculant: Haven't had a chance to run upgrade tests, tried cranking out a bunch of tests last night/this morning
[12:48] <flocculant> I assume that current would move if there was many items?
[12:49] <knome> flocculant, it moves when you press "next"
[12:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - same - not going to worry about upgrades
[12:49] <flocculant> knome: ok cool :)
[12:49] <knome> (or "prev")
[12:49] <flocculant> yep
[12:51] <knome> flocculant, ok, can you try something for me
[12:51] <knome> flocculant, in /usr/share/gtksourceview-2.0/styles/xubuntu-light.xml
[12:52] <knome> flocculant, find the line that says <color name="bg_contrast_low" ...
[12:52] <knome> flocculant, should be line 10
[12:52] <knome> flocculant, change the value of that to "#cccccc"
[12:52] <knome> flocculant, then close all mousepad instances and run one again and see if the search match/selection color is better
[12:52] <flocculant> knome: lunchtime - I'll look this afternoon
[12:52] <knome> sure, no rush
[12:53] <knome> flocculant, then, if it's not ok, change the value to "#bbbbbb"
[12:53] <flocculant> knome: would you like the website page linked on the announcement? 
[12:53] <knome> what website page?
[12:53] <flocculant> the draft 
[12:53] <knome> you mean would i like the announcement on x.org linked to from the notes in w.u.c?
[12:54] <flocculant> no - the mail I will send to announce today - currently it has image url/wiki url - I can also put the x.org page one there too 
[12:54] <flocculant> < in charge :D
[12:54] <knome> ahh
[12:54] <knome> yeah, i think that would be good
[12:54] <flocculant> okey doke 
[12:55] <knome> per the target audiences for websites (described at http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/start), the x.org website is the number one place for users
[12:55] <knome> well, it actually doesn't say number one :P
[12:55] <flocculant> yea 
[12:55] <flocculant> but a mail to announce probably isn't a target - though it will get fridgified 
[12:55] <knome> maybe it should...
[12:56] <knome> it's fine really
[12:56] <knome> if we thought it shouldn't be linked, then it would be weird to publish it
[12:56] <flocculant> not sure up to now we've done so
[12:56] <knome> good time to start :)
[12:57] <flocculant> but probably because time etc
[12:57] <Nairwolf> hi guys, I've found that this morning : http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details (with specification "bugs"). What is it ? Is it bug you want to fix ? 
[12:57] <knome> yes.
[12:58] <Nairwolf> ok, who are developpers here ? 
[12:58] <knome> the xubuntu developer tema
[12:58] <knome> *team
[13:01] <Nairwolf> ON this page, I see there are 87 members. That's pretty big !
[13:01] <flocculant> knome: #a6a6a6 is better
[13:02] <Nairwolf> I'm more interesting by development, but I'm beginner, do you tink I could receive some help, if I need ? 
[13:03] <Nairwolf> Or, do you think it's possible to list some "easy bug" like libreoffice does, for example ? 
[13:03] <flocculant> wish I'd known where to change that - I'd have done an mp for it 
[13:03] <Nairwolf> I admmit it's difficult to know if it's an easy bug or not, and it involves more work
[13:05] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: our development team is actually quite a bit smaller, most of those are from the larger Ubuntu developer community, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+members#active
[13:06] <bluesabre> time for work, bbl
[13:06] <bluesabre> hf everyone
[13:06] <flocculant> cya bluesabre - thanks :)
[13:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: you've got lock on wiki ... 
[13:06] <Nairwolf> oh, I see that bluesabre !
[13:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: woops
[13:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: hopped off
[13:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: is the lock released?
[13:07] <flocculant> yep - have fun :)
[13:08] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: I see you've developed a lot of software (catfish, menulibre, parole). Have you started this software from scratch ? When have you started to contribute to Xubuntu ? 
[13:10] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, I've run 14.04 to 16.04 upgrade which failed drastically.. 15.10 to 16.04 ran nice and smoothly  both testcases were logged.. Happy to do some extra upgrade tests
[13:10] <flocculant> ok - bbl 
[13:10] <flocculant> Akxwi-dave: yea upgrade failed on me last week too - I'll be warning on our notes there are dragons there
[13:10] <Akxwi-dave> :-)
[13:11] <flocculant> we could perhaps spend a bit of time in vm's with upgrades next week 
[13:11] <Nairwolf> Actually, until April, I will not have time to develop for other projects that I'm currently doing. 
[13:11] <flocculant> van is beeping it's horn - time to off again :)
[13:11] <Akxwi-dave> Gcya lter mate
[13:29] <Nairwolf> Oh, I think I've found something strange with xenial. There is two launchers for ImageMagick, and no one seems to work (but I'm almost sure I don't know how to use it)
[13:30] <Nairwolf> What are difference between this two launchers ? Isn't better to have only one ? And what is supposed to do after click to one of them ? 
[13:45] <knome> flocculant, well, that's really dark :)
[13:45] <knome> flocculant, but i'll check it
[13:45] <knome> after all, i don't use the light theme...
[13:47] <knome> ok, fine, let's go with #a6a6a6
[13:50] <knome> actually nope
[13:51] <knome> want to keep the text readable too, so i'll go with #bbbbbb
[13:52] <knome> let's review this after you've used that for a while
[13:58] <knome> bluesabre, pushed the new color schemes to xubuntu-artwork trunk
[13:59] <knome> bluesabre, tell me whether you want to land this fix and the new wallpaper (WIP) in two uploads or if you prefer waiting the wallpaper and doing just one upload
[14:03] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, did a quick test of catfish 1.4.1. It looks like the custom date search is finding the correct range, but it's still displaying the file modified time in UTC. Should that be the case?
[14:04] <knome> ochosi, any estimation when you would have time to write some answers for the article?
[14:06] <jjfrv8> bluesabre,for example, if thunar shows a file date of Monday, 21:00, catfish shows it as Tuesday. This is for US Eastern time.
[14:26] <knome> ochosi, ok, i mostly have finished my part of the article, and moved that to x.org
[14:28] <knome> ok, cloud player users
[14:28] <knome> what do you want to say about them?
[14:28] <knome> i don't think the generic questions are too appropriate in most cases, because i would imagine the selection of tracks affects your choice substantially too...
[14:48] <Nairwolf> if someone can help me to understand why there is two ImageMagick by default in the menu, I would appreciate ;)
[14:48] <Nairwolf> Also, the second one doesn't have any icon. I suppose it's not normal. 
[14:49] <Nairwolf> If it's not normal, I would like to open a bug report, but I need help to know where to post it. 
[14:49] <Nairwolf> where to report it
[14:54] <Akxwi-dave> nairwolf its bug 1549732
[14:55] <Akxwi-dave> If your testing the ISO, logg that bug against it
[15:07] <Nairwolf> thank you Akxwi-dave
[15:08] <Nairwolf> Have you just opened this bug ? 
[15:08] <Akxwi-dave> I opened it around lunch time today..  :-)
[15:09] <Nairwolf> ok, ok, I should have searched more
[15:12] <Nairwolf> I've reported that on the iso tracker. Thank you Akxwi-dave.
[15:18] <Nairwolf> Akxi-dave, but I'm not sure it's caused by the imageMagick package itself. 
[15:18] <Nairwolf> because ImageMagick can be launched with a picture in argument
[15:26] <Akxwi-dave> If you could add that to the bug report as a comment that will help them to narrow things down.
[15:27] <Akxwi-dave> its probably just stray shortcuts that need cleaning up..   :-) 
[15:29] <Nairwolf> I've done that : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113243/testcases/1628/results
[15:30] <Nairwolf> Is it okay ?
[15:32] <Akxwi-dave> cheers.. 
[15:32] <Akxwi-dave> thats fine
[15:34] <Akxwi-dave> right time to get back to work,,, cya all later
[15:45] <knome> slickymaster, how much have you thought about the installer slideshow for xubuntu 16.04?
[15:46] <knome> flocculant, "When contributor docs live - rework website QA page"
[15:46] <knome> flocculant, isn't that done?
[15:46] <knome> flocculant, not "blocked"
[15:49] <flocculant> knome: not blocked - not done
[15:49] <knome> no?
[15:49] <knome> ok
[15:49] <knome> nvm then
[15:49] <flocculant> probably needs wording so other people understand it :p
[15:49] <knome> maybe
[15:49] <knome> or then noy
[15:49] <knome> *not
[15:50] <knome> as long as you are on top of it, and keep the item up-to-date
[15:50] <flocculant> the cont docs are live - I've not reworked the x.org page yet :p
[15:50] <knome> yeah
[16:24] <Nairwolf> Who is actually the XPL ? 
[16:25] <knome> Nairwolf, currently, ochosi is
[16:27] <Nairwolf> nice to know that ;)
[16:27] <knome> i would also say that it's not too hard to find out yourself
[16:27] <Nairwolf> And who is Pasi ? I've seen his mail right now at xubuntu-users
[16:28] <knome> sure, we'll help you where needed, but it's expected that you do something yourself
[16:28] <knome> i'm pasi.
[16:28] <knome> /whois knome
[16:28] <Nairwolf> yes, you right knome. I would do more next time
[16:33] <knome> slickymaster, lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 for the working branch
[17:24] <flocculant> knome: "giving the XPL full access to administrate all Xubuntu teams" > "giving the XPL full adminstration access for all Xubuntu teams"
[17:25] <knome> x.x
[17:27] <knome> committed a new revision
[17:27] <flocculant> :)
[18:48] <dkessel> Yay... My xenial won't get to lightdm anymore. Instead it hangs before that
[18:48] <flocculant> \o/
[18:48] <dkessel> Known? Good evening
[18:50] <flocculant> not known to me no - fully updated?
[18:51] <dkessel> Mhh honestly.. Don't know. Don't have time to investigate seither, too Bad. Back to using teisty for today
[18:53] <dkessel> trusty
[19:24]  * genii immediately blames systemd
[19:28] <flocculant> \o/
[19:42] <flocculant> genii blames systemd for that too 
[19:42] <genii> dkessel: Is your Xenial hanging on some message like g-io-error-quark
[19:42] <genii> flocculant: I just fixed the lightdm issue on my box here by sudo systemctl enable lightdm
[19:43] <genii> ...so yes, it was systemd
[19:43] <flocculant> :)
[19:43] <flocculant> you updated lately? 
[19:43]  * flocculant wonders if he's doing the same next boot 
[19:44] <dkessel> genii: so you had that too?
[19:48] <genii> dkessel: Yes, but going from 15.04 to 15.10, not on Xenial. But I suspect likely same or similar issue
[21:25] <flocculant> knome: published
[21:27] <pleia2> social mediaz time
[21:27] <flocculant> yup :)
[21:28] <flocculant> the ubuntu-release mail is there - but no-one at present to moderate the devel-announce one
[21:28] <flocculant> but we can do what we want
[21:30] <pleia2> ok, fb, g+ and twitter all done
[21:30] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks for that :)
[21:32] <pleia2> I'll just prep the -release one for fridge for now, hopefully announce can be let through soon
[21:33] <flocculant> awesome :)
[21:34] <pleia2> nice quote :)
[21:34] <_Sponge> pleia2:   ˗ˏˋ ♡ ˎˊ˗
[21:34] <flocculant> pleia2: it felt rather apt :D
[21:38] <knome> great!
[21:38] <knome> thanks pleia2, our social media princess
[21:38] <flocculant> knome: I changed a word in your gmb draft 
[21:39] <knome> WHAT
[21:39] <knome> :P
[21:39] <flocculant> :)
[21:39] <knome> did you make the change in the pad too?
[21:39] <flocculant> pad?
[21:39] <knome> 14:12  knome: ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-gmb
[21:39] <Nairwolf> hi, no new daily iso tonight ? 20160225 isn't here
[21:40] <flocculant> well guess I missed that one knome - must be because I'm not being pinged on ochosi or knome :p
[21:40] <flocculant> Nairwolf: no - we just released b1 ... 
[21:40] <knome> flocculant, just making sure that i don't just for some reason copy it over again and revert your fix..
[21:40] <knome> flocculant, bah, you should!
[21:40] <Nairwolf> flocculant: ok
[21:40] <knome> flocculant, add all team nicks to hilight!
[21:40] <flocculant> knome: no - I really really shouldn't :p
[21:40] <knome> that'd be fun...
[21:40] <Nairwolf> So, I'm free tonight ;)
[21:41] <knome> Nairwolf, you can always do package testing... :P
[21:41] <knome> (just kidding, it's sensible to take breaks)
[21:41] <flocculant> knome: changed pad for Justin
[21:41] <knome> cheerio
[21:42] <flocculant> bye
[21:42] <Nairwolf> knome: that ? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
[21:43] <Nairwolf> knome: that seems fun
[21:43] <knome> yes.
[21:53] <flocculant> knome: upgrade warning is a lot more in your face on release notes - not much I could on x.org post
[21:54] <knome> i can work on it
[21:54] <knome> just a sec..
[21:55] <knome> better?
[21:56] <flocculant> yea - thanks :)
[21:56] <flocculant> if anyone says 'upgrade didn't work' 
[21:56] <flocculant> I shall blunt
[21:57] <knome> np
[21:59] <flocculant> if you'll all excuse me for a day - sick to death of the sight of the tracker - not looking till Saturday :D
[22:01] <knome> flocculant, sure, this is only related to the maintaining anyway
[22:02] <flocculant> knome: I didn't mean our one - but iso.qa and package.qa :)
[22:03] <knome> oh, hah
[22:03] <knome> fair enough too
[22:03] <knome> take the weekend off :P
[22:06] <flocculant> thanks ;)
[22:07] <flocculant> going to make like zebedee now - cya tomorrow :)
[22:07] <knome> :D
[22:07] <knome> nighty
[22:20] <pleia2> knome: should the beta1 article be on the front page?
[22:20] <pleia2> I forget what bits to fiddle for that
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, nope; i talked through it with flocculant, and he said it's better if it's not visible
[22:22] <knome> and due to our configuration, it shouldn't show up automatically either (only "articles" are shown)
[22:25] <pleia2>         okie
[22:26] <pleia2> eep, wifi
[22:26] <knome> :D
[22:31] <Nairwolf> the article about the release is nice ;)
[22:49] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:49] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[22:50] <bluesabre> hey knome
[22:54] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: I've done some from scratch (mugshot), some based on other work (menulibre from alacarte), some rewritten (parole with ochosi's help), and some just maintaining (xfce4-settings)
[22:54] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: I started with reporting bugs until ochosi got annoyed and dragged me into IRC
[22:56] <bluesabre> knome: when are we expecting the wallpaper?
[22:56] <knome> when do you need it?
[22:57] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: darn, will take a look. Timestamps are in UTC, so that's that confusion
[22:59] <bluesabre> knome: no hurry, was in response to your Q about one or two uploads
[22:59] <knome> i know
[22:59] <bluesabre> knome: UI freeze is march 10, so pretty please before then :D
[22:59] <knome> yeah, it's almost ready
[22:59] <bluesabre> cool
[22:59] <knome> just the last 20% taking 80% of the time..
[23:00] <knome> anyway, i think it's fine enough to land the color change on UIF day too
[23:00] <knome> or practically before
[23:00] <knome> it still gives us some time to react even before b2
[23:00]  * bluesabre looks forward to a 4-dimensional wallpaper featuring a mouse in the future
[23:00] <knome> well
[23:00] <knome> you might just get one!
[23:00] <bluesabre> :D
[23:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Don't forget taking over catfish! ;)
[23:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, was only giving a few examples
[23:02] <Unit193> Gotta give an example of each type! :--D
[23:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: just reminds me of all the work I have to do :D
[23:06] <Unit193> :3
[23:10] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: nice to know that ;) I hope being able to follow the same way as you ;)
[23:11] <Nairwolf> I've started to read code of menulibre this afternoon. It would be great for me to write some Python again
[23:13] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: Patches are welcome, definitely more bugs exist than I can reasonably fix or manage to look at
[23:28] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: okay, I will tell you when I will look more seriously code
[23:29] <Nairwolf> Now, I can't really, but maye in April, I will have more free time. And I will need your help to understand some modules or other things. 
[23:29] <Nairwolf> See you
[23:44] <knome> sigh
[23:45] <knome> either i don't know how to do this right, or a function in php or the launchpad api doesn't work as they should
[23:45] <knome> >__<