[00:12]  * bluesabre believes in knome
[00:12] <Unit193> So you think it is php or LP API.
[00:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Anything going on?
[00:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: nothing yet, packaging soon
[00:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: will have the noto changes done tonight, and catfish
[00:19] <Unit193> Fantastic!  Great.
[00:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: You looked at the gnome-software branch?  Useful?
[00:21] <knome> Unit193, i should install curl for php to find out if it's php that doesn't pass the headers with file_get_contents
[00:21] <knome> the other possibility is that the LP API isn't returning the ETag in the headers as it should
[00:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, looked, think we're waiting to switch until we think its usable
[00:24] <bluesabre> or maybe we should switch now so we report more bugs
[00:24] <bluesabre> hm
[00:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: ^?
[00:25] <Unit193> OK, just wondered if I should rm or not. :)
[00:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: keep it around, will definitely use
[00:41] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, what about d/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override ?
[00:42] <Unit193> And unless I'm missing any commits, etc/xdg/xdg-xebian/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc too.
[00:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: we're not switching the terminal font (I think)
[00:54] <bluesabre> Dejavu is what we're currently sticking with
[00:55] <Unit193> Ah, OK.  So not across the board.
[00:55] <bluesabre> unless I am told otherwise :)
[00:57] <Unit193> Nono, that's fine.
[01:03] <bluesabre> *Noto
[01:03] <bluesabre> :D
[01:04] <knome> no terminal font change
[07:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: I guess we should - even if it is a pile of ... 
[07:26] <flocculant> usc was bad enough 
[11:33] <Nairwolf> hi, if I want to test isos today, it's better to use the daily iso, right ? 
[11:35] <knome> beta is released, you can't send reports against it anywya
[11:36] <Nairwolf> oh, yes, you right. 
[11:36] <Nairwolf> Thank you
[12:21] <Nairwolf> In the tracker, in the section "bugs to look" there is a link to the bug #1538877, but the link is dead. This bug number doesn't exist apparently
[12:21] <Nairwolf> that's right, ubottu ;)
[12:24] <flocculant> private bug probably
[12:34] <Nairwolf> ok, I've reported this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1533206
[12:56] <bluesabre> morning all
[13:04] <bluesabre> I'll be around (mostly) for today, so feel free to ping with any questions or general chat
[13:25] <Nairwolf> I need help, I've seen a graphical/artwork bug in live session with the "wifi network available" notification. 
[13:25] <Nairwolf> Where I need to report the bug, on launchpad ? xfce4-indicator-plugin ? 
[13:26] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: yes, that would be a good package to report it for
[13:26] <bluesabre> if possible, submit a screenshot with your bug report
[13:27] <Nairwolf> yes, I'm trying to upload it
[13:28] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: I've typed : "ubuntu-bug xfce4-indicator-plugin" in order to get back some traceback, but how can I save that ? 
[13:30] <Nairwolf> ok, it opens the launchpad page
[13:33] <Nairwolf> ok, I've done that : #1550348
[13:34] <Nairwolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1550348
[13:50] <Nairwolf> oh, I've seen a bug with catfish and thumbnail display
[13:55] <Nairwolf> It's here if you want to look : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1550356
[14:00] <knome> pleia2, pagination at http://staging.xubuntu.org/blog/
[14:30] <Nairwolf> bluesabre, I would like to create a question for Menulibre. In fact, it's in order to ask for a new feature, but I don't know how to say that in english. Can I talk to you here to explain ?
[14:49] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: sure, that's fine, what's up?
[14:51] <knome> pleia2, mysql root plz :P
[14:51] <knome> pleia2, or create me a db
[14:51] <knome> :]
[14:51] <knome> Unit193, you don't happen to have access to that?
[14:52] <sidi> you guys aware of the dropbox systray not working anymore, possibly a Ubuntu or Xubuntu bug?
[14:53] <sidi> got people complaining about it on Reddit but it seems to be distro-dependant (Xubuntu being one confirmed distro)
[14:53] <knome> wait? are people complaining on *reddit*? that's so new!
[14:53] <knome> :>
[14:54] <knome> tbh, i don't think the dropbox indicator is our main problem, but if the redditers can debug, triage and patch it...
[14:55] <bluesabre> sidi: I've heard mentions of it, not much else... it's almost certainly a missing indicator package or API breakage that the dropbox devs need to address
[14:56] <Nairwolf> bluesabre: firstly, look this picture : https://i.imgur.com/CBmeegm.png
[14:57] <Nairwolf> if you want to push up a new launcher, you'll reach the point where you can't see anymore your launcher
[14:57] <knome> "when moving the launcher up/down, follow the selected item on the list"
[14:58] <knome> is what you want
[14:58] <Nairwolf> oh, yes ! perfectly summarized ! 
[14:58] <bluesabre> :D
[14:58] <bluesabre> knome is the leading expert of reporting bugs and feature requests for menulibre
[14:58]  * knome has filed "a few" menulibre bugs...
[14:59] <bluesabre> :D
[14:59] <Nairwolf> thank you ;)
[14:59] <Nairwolf> ok !!
[14:59] <sidi> knome, bluesabre am waiting to hear from them. i'll test it eventually on my buntu box but i was curious if there had been some triage/patching effort somewhere already
[14:59] <knome> i think half of them are from me if you don't count crashes
[14:59] <bluesabre> easily
[15:02] <Nairwolf> I've opened a "question", is it better to open a bug with [Feature Request] in the title ? 
[15:02] <pleia2> knome: you have already, sent you /msg
[15:03] <bluesabre> sidi: strong possibility that one of these is needed and not installed https://paste.ubuntu.com/15206234/
[15:04] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: I personally prefer a bug report. I often overlook questions on Launchpad
[15:04] <pleia2> knome: pagination lgtm!
[15:04] <sidi> bluesabre, cheers
[15:04] <knome> \o/
[15:05] <knome> also poking the canonical people to get the DNS redirect done
[15:05] <Nairwolf> ok
[15:05] <knome> and pushed a few article drafts to x.org
[15:05] <bluesabre> knome: busy bee!
[15:10] <Nairwolf> okay enough testing for me today ! Have a good afternoon or morning, depends your timezone. 
[15:11] <bluesabre> seeya Nairwolf, have fun
[15:11] <knome> bluesabre, yep
[15:12] <bluesabre> cleanup up the dev blueprint a bit
[15:12] <knome> :)
[15:12] <bluesabre> s/cleanup/cleaned
[15:12] <bluesabre> :D
[15:12] <knome> heh
[15:12] <bluesabre> might be more things to postpone on that list, will tidy a bit more throughout the weekend
[15:13] <knome> mm
[15:13] <knome> ugh
[15:14] <knome> tabs to three different xubuntu wordpress sites open
[15:14]  * knome closes a few to not mess with production
[15:16] <bluesabre> :D
[17:15] <Nairwolf> Do we need to test upgrade ? from LTS to LTS for example ? 
[17:24] <flocculant> Nairwolf: we will be
[17:24] <flocculant> early next week I'll mail the list about what I'd like to see to start with
[17:24] <flocculant> there are 8 different things we need to test
[17:25] <flocculant> wandering off again
[17:27] <Nairwolf> ok, I will waiting your mail ;)
[19:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: are we really sure about gnome software? wouldn't it be prudent to have a fall back plan if we're going to lose usc regardless? 
[19:16] <Nairwolf> flocculant: sorry, if my question is stupid. I've found the release schedule, and I've seen that 18th February was the FeatureFreeze. Aren't you supposed to not change packages after this date ? 
[19:21] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I never really know what exceptions work with freezes - not something I really need to know tbh, but
[19:22] <flocculant> in this particular case - we use an ubuntu app - ubuntu has decided to not maintain it - they want to replace it with something - the something doesn't work - we're undecided in truth on what to do
[19:24] <flocculant> also - not sure how FF affects us and our seeded applications
[19:33] <Nairwolf> ok, I didn't know that ubuntu decided to not maintain it... That's bad. And it seems to be a bad timing to take this decision. I would be better if Ubuntu have decided that before. With non-LTS distribution it would be easier to test the replacement ^^
[19:33] <Nairwolf> I'm not using a gui application, but what's about lubuntu-software-center ? 
[19:48] <knome> flocculant, i would say the backup plan is synaptic
[19:48] <knome> flocculant, but that's just me saying...
[19:51] <flocculant> knome: well yea - that'd be what I would say too ... 
[19:51] <Nairwolf> what Ubuntu will use ? gnome-software-center ? 
[19:51] <flocculant> knome: just not sure how long we can leave it
[19:52] <flocculant> also - if we released with synaptic - could we change to g-s if it works out later 
[19:52] <flocculant> Nairwolf: yes
[19:53] <knome> flocculant, my POV is that we can leave it at least until b2, and for the other question; yes
[19:53] <knome> i mean there never is any specific reason to keep the current default app if there is something everybody thinks is a better one
[19:53] <flocculant> knome: that's what I thought
[19:53] <flocculant> yep
[19:53] <knome> not that it happens a lot...
[19:54] <flocculant> it'd be a whole lot simpler if this was a .10 not this one :D
[19:54] <knome> always
[20:32] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[20:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: we're not sure about anything at this point
[20:33] <bluesabre> if gnome-software is not ready by the 10th, we use something else, be it USC or synaptic
[20:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: it might be advisable to test all three up to that point
[20:34] <bluesabre> flocculant: or get a more specific timeline of when gnome-software is expected to be usable
[20:34] <bluesabre> it's an LTS, it shouldn't be unstable until release day
[20:35] <bluesabre> (my 2 cents)
[20:35] <bluesabre> currently, g-s does not work at all, so no reason to switch it yet
[20:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: 10th? 
[20:41] <bluesabre> Or 2nd
[20:41] <bluesabre> Whatever that date was
[20:41] <flocculant> month? 
[20:41] <bluesabre> Probably something else
[20:41] <bluesabre> March
[20:42] <flocculant> not sure I know what date you mean 
[20:42] <flocculant> aah ok
[20:42] <bluesabre> The go gnome or go home date
[20:43] <flocculant> aah - the date from the last meeting of ours :)
[20:44] <flocculant> round about UI freeze I guess
 maybe March 7 would be a good milestone 
[20:46] <flocculant> as far as testing synaptic goes - I use it a lot so 
[20:46] <flocculant> ...
[20:47] <flocculant> should the appstream issue get on the tracker? 
[20:47] <flocculant> don't want to add things to it for other people :)
[20:47] <bluesabre> yes, I should add that
[20:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: added
[20:50] <flocculant> okey doke
[20:51] <flocculant> I'm wandering off again now
[20:51] <bluesabre> flocculant: seeya, have fun
[20:51] <flocculant> done little today \o/
[20:53] <flocculant> this beta was a pain :)
[20:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: just fyi - shall get a mail out next week to testers about upgrades
[21:27] <knome> synaptic has the additional benefit that we've used it as the default package manager before
[21:27] <knome> and aiui, it hasn't really changed much since then...
[22:27] <bluesabre> for better or worse, synaptic is just as ugly as I remember it
[22:27] <bluesabre> pure utility
[22:27] <bluesabre> :D
[22:27] <knome> yep
[22:27] <knome> a tool
[22:27] <knome> :P :P
[22:27] <bluesabre> how's it going, knome?
[22:28] <knome> not bad!
[22:29] <Nairwolf> I'm afraid it could be seens as a regression... I've converted some non-tech users to Xubuntu (mother, brother), and they loved USC because it's something new from Windows world. And they are used to use the Android store, or the Apple store. Synaptic can be used the same, but it looks, yes, less modern....
[22:29] <bluesabre> too bad it is a direct port to gtk3, they left all of the broken ui things as they were and ported them to new widgets
[22:29] <Nairwolf> But I know that if you don't have any better solution....
[22:30] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: yes, USC is better for discovery... we're hoping Gnome Software will get that good, otherwise we'll probably be going with Synaptic
[22:30] <bluesabre> time will tell
[22:31] <bluesabre> we're just trying to be ready for whatever we have to do :)
[22:32] <Nairwolf> yes, I will be ready to test anything you ask ;)
[22:38] <Nairwolf> Do you know why the ubuntu team want to drop support of USC ? 
[22:38] <knome> Nairwolf, the discussion can be found on the ubuntu development mailing list
[22:39] <Nairwolf> I don't use it regurlaly because I'm an "apt-user" but it seems to work fine
[22:39] <Nairwolf> ok, I will see that
[22:43] <Nairwolf> knome: it was at ubuntu-devel ml ? 
[22:43] <Nairwolf> which month ? 
[22:44] <knome> i don't remember, but it's fairly recent and you can surely find out
[22:47] <Nairwolf> ok, I will try to find it ;)
[23:07] <Nairwolf> hum... I don't find it, I quit.
[23:10] <Nairwolf> ok, it was at ubuntu-devel ;)
[23:10] <Nairwolf> no, ubuntu-desktop !
[23:56] <knome> can somebody confirm that the xubuntu release announcement seems to come from the "Ubuntu Release blog" in http://planet.ubuntu.com/ ?
[23:57] <knome> the date is also wrong, but that's likely our mistake...
[23:58] <knome> s/likely//