[00:08] <dobey> mariogrip: not for me. mailit-server and unity8-dash are constantly aborting/restarting. i can't even use ssh to get in, as the cpu is so overloaded. yes it's the images from ubports
[00:09] <dobey> mariogrip: and the stable channel seems to not have the latest updates. seems to be an image from november still
[00:12] <mariogrip> dobey: you can start adb at boot so you can use adb shell, download these three files: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/ and run adb-install while the phone is in recovery mode
[00:13] <mariogrip> I will take a look at the stable images, I don't down a n5 myself so I cannot debug
[00:13] <mariogrip> own*
[00:16] <dobey> mariogrip: adb is running. the problem is that the cpu is so overloaded it is simply impossible to use
[00:16] <dobey> the best i could do was adb reboot bootloader
[00:16] <dobey> whoopsie has uploaded crash reports about it though
[00:16] <dobey> but i suspect they won't be fixed
[00:17] <dobey> becuase it's an n5 :(
[00:17] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, I see. could you send the syslog? (/var/log/)
[00:18] <dobey> well no, it's been replaced now as i reflashed back to stable
[00:19] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, ok. I will see if I get stable to update
[00:20] <dobey> the problem is a qFatal() message being used in the qt mir backend
[00:20] <dobey> seems mir isn't starting or something, and so everything that needs mir just aborts when it starts
[00:21] <dobey> and upstart restarts them ad infinium
[00:21] <dobey> or something does
[00:21] <mariogrip> the problem with stable is that I use fetch ubuntu images from the generic device, and that haven't been updated
[00:21] <dobey> mariogrip: oh, it'd be better to follow "mako" i think
[00:21] <dobey> mariogrip: the tasemnice server was following mako for the hammerhead images before
[00:22] <dobey> mariogrip: and deb was following the flo images
[00:22] <dobey> maybe the generic image is causing the problems
[00:22] <dobey> as rc-proposed on my mako seems pretty fine
[00:23] <mariogrip> dobey: the ubuntu part should be the same on all devices
[00:23] <mariogrip> it's the device part that is device specific
[00:24] <mariogrip> updating sable now, hopes this does not break everything
[00:24] <mariogrip> stable*
[00:25] <adfad666> I get strange build errors, like "system/core/include/cutils/jstring.h:32:35: error: unknown type name ‘char16_t’" is it true I have to downgrade from 15.10?
[00:26] <mariogrip> adfad666: is it aosp you are building?
[00:26] <dobey> i don't think it matters what version of ubuntu you are compiling on
[00:27] <dobey> if you think it matters, then create a 14.04 lxc and try to build inside it instead
[00:27] <adfad666> I synced the 5.1.1 branches for Xperia devices
[00:27] <mariogrip> dobey: it may do, 16.04 uses a newer version of toolchain and sutch
[00:27] <mariogrip> adfad666: have you tried the prebuild build tools?
[00:27] <dobey> adfad666: i think if you're trying to build 5.1.1 that is the problem. ubuntu currently only really builds against 4.4
[00:28] <mariogrip> dobey: no, you can build with 5.1, I uses that for fairphone and opo
[00:29] <mariogrip> some devices does not support 4.4
[00:29] <adfad666> not tried any different tools, I just synced, updated devices repos and tried building :)
[00:29] <dobey> mariogrip: oh; would be nice to switch to 5.1.1 for hammerhead too if possible
[00:29] <mariogrip> dobey: if i only had a debug device :)
[00:30] <dobey> mariogrip: well if i could get the kernel to build, i'd do it myself; but i have not had luck trying to follow the porting guide, and haven't had time to deal with it any further
[00:30] <mariogrip> adfad666: what repo are you using?
[00:30] <mariogrip>  /manifest
[00:30] <adfad666> https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/platform/manifest.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/personal/w-ondra/xperia_5.1.1_r5
[00:35] <adfad666> mariogrip: what's the link to the prebuilt tools you mentioned?
[00:35] <mariogrip> adfad666: it seems to try to use the toolchain on your system, is it host or target it fails on?
[00:36] <mariogrip> adfad666: you can try to revert this: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/platform/build.git;a=commit;h=5d12887a23119a5bc2af047a494d06bcf111255e
[00:37] <mariogrip> that's in the build folder
[00:37] <adfad666> host fails, specifically: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8861464
[00:37] <adfad666> but i'll try that revert
[00:38] <dobey> mariogrip: would also be cool if ubports.com enabled the broadcast push notification too :)
[00:41] <mariogrip> dobey: Isn't that enabled by default?
[00:42] <dobey> mariogrip: i don't know. i don't recall ever seeing a notification on my nexus 5, even when rc-proposed was working for me
[00:43] <dobey> mariogrip: i guess you might need a token from the push server to be able to send the broadcast to it perhaps; not quite sure how that works
[00:43] <dobey> i suppose without a token, anyone could send broadcast notifications to everyone, and that wouldn't be nice at all
[00:44] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, I though it was just the client that has a con that checked the server
[00:44] <mariogrip> cron*
[00:44] <dobey> mariogrip: no. it's a push notification from the server
[00:45] <dobey> twitter and maybe gmail are the only things that poll, afaik
[00:45] <mariogrip> dobey: I have't seen that in the code of the system-server server, I need to look into that
[00:46] <prova> hi, is it possible to install whatsapp on an bq Aquaris e4.5 with ubuntu-touch?
[00:46] <dobey> mariogrip: ah. i wonder if it's in the system-image-server code; if it's not obvious, maybe we'll have to ping the people that implemented it on monday and see
[00:46] <dobey> prova: whatsapp say no
[00:47] <adfad666> That revert seems to have done the trick
[00:47] <mariogrip> adfad666: :)
[00:48] <prova> anybody tried to install whatsapp someway, with an android emulator on ubuntu-touch maybe...??I'm not an expert.
[00:48] <dobey> prova: if you want to see whatsapp available for ubuntu phones, you need to tell their support that you want it
[00:48] <prova> already done.)
[00:49] <adfad666> I thought 'no whatsapp' was a feature
[00:49] <dobey> to use whatsapp on android, you must consciously install it
[00:50] <dobey> so i don't see how not having it available could be considered a "feature"
[00:50] <dobey> my nokia 3310 doesn't have whatsapp either
[00:50] <dobey> but it also hasn't got bluetooth, wifi, 4g, and all manner of other things :)
[00:51] <prova> I would apprecaite an "expert" voice saying "no it's not possible" so I did not even try. There's this site taht I think it's a fake now ... http://www.whatsappfor.org/whatsapp-for-ubuntu/whatsapp-ubuntu/ , may someone tell me about that too?
[00:52] <dobey> prova: no, there is no whatsapp for ubuntu. the only ones who can make whatsapp for ubuntu are whatsapp themselves
[00:52] <prova> dobey_ thanks for the answer:)
[00:52] <dobey> that web site is apparently some thing for pidgin, and it's very plusible that whatsapp have banned it, and anyone who they found using it
[00:53] <prova> nothing written there is really working, nothing to download, not any command workin...
[00:53] <mariogrip> we need a petition :)
[00:54] <dobey> and the android and ubuntu security models don't mesh well. so even if you managed to create a .click package with an android emulator that worked on top of mir, and included whatsapp, and it actually worked, you could only use the app whilst it was actually running, so you would have none of the notifications or other features essential to the app that require it to run in the background
[00:54] <dobey> so while not entirely impossible, it is not feasible
[00:55] <mariogrip> also an emulator would be damn slow
[00:55] <mariogrip> at least if every android app would use there own emulator
[00:56] <dobey> it would be slow even with only one app, i'm sure
[00:56] <prova>  my mom used already ubuntu,so ubuntutouch was a good idea as a smartphone for her, but I'm sure she will want to use Whatsapp too...
[00:57] <dobey> prova: use telegram instead?
[00:57] <mariogrip> might be able to hook into the already "on hardware" running android somehow and get usable  performance
[00:57] <mariogrip> prova: telegram is pretty awesome! give it a try
[00:58] <dobey> mariogrip: the android container in ubuntu is extremely minimal. it wouldn't really be useful in this case, as there's no dalvik/surfaceflinger/etc
[00:58] <prova> it will be difficult to me to make people use Telegram, I can't ask that to my mom really...:)
[00:58] <mariogrip> as said, we cannot do much about it, it's an closed source application so whatsapp need to port it
[01:00] <prova> ok, I understood. Anyway Telegram misses the "camera & photo share " , any "other app" or  "messaging app" who let you share photo/videos too
[01:00] <mariogrip> It does support that!
[01:01] <prova> ah ok thanks, I was not sure about that
[01:01] <mariogrip> it even has stickers :)
[01:02] <mariogrip> dobey: you might be able with some work to get art/dalvik/sf working form the ubuntu side, or maybe add those things to the android part
[01:04] <mariogrip> well, I would much more like to use a native ubuntu touch app
[01:05] <dobey> mariogrip: well if you're going to add them to the android container, you might as well just install android at that point
[01:05] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah
[01:06] <dobey> prova: you can send photos and videos in telegram; maybe not voice though, i don't know if it has voice support or not
[01:06] <mariogrip> voice too :)
[01:08] <dobey> but the real question now is, what should i do about dinner
[01:08] <prova> mariogrip:thanks for your help  ,but I do not even know what  art/dalvik/sf are:)  I'm not an expert. A basic "whatsapp messenger" in ubuntutouch would be great, just to tell everybody to use Telegram if voice is working too.
[01:09] <mariogrip> and telegram is free, it does not just have a year trail
[01:09] <prova> bye
[01:09] <dobey> well, whatsapp actively bans people using third party clients
[01:09] <dobey> so there's that
[01:10] <prova>  whatsapp is " free " too now, life time. so it will not easy that people stop to use it...
[01:11] <mariogrip> dobey: I had some nice cooked cod for dinner
[01:11] <dobey> it is not free (libre) it is free (gratis)
[01:11] <mariogrip> https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/iphone/30060258
[01:11] <prova> yes, I really know Telegram is bettee
[01:11] <mariogrip> "there is an annual subscription fee of $0.99 USD"
[01:13] <dobey> mariogrip: did hammerhead stable build btw?
[01:13] <dobey> it did!
[01:13] <mariogrip> yeah
[01:13] <k1l_> they dropped the fee after they were bought by facebook
[01:13] <dobey> lets see if it explodes too
[01:13] <dobey> because zuck is such a giving person
[01:13] <prova> and after the first year  it becomes "lifetime",I suppose it is so,am i right?
[01:13] <mariogrip> k1l_: oh, i see paid by mark zuckerberg
[01:14] <k1l_> dobey: oh yes. and he just wants all your data for that :)
[01:14] <dobey> seriously. the fbi should obviously just go to him instead of apple, because all the conversation was probably on whtasapp anyway
[01:15] <prova> tahnks to all for the support, bye really this time
[01:15] <mariogrip> bye
[01:16] <mariogrip> issn't there a webapp for whatsapp?
[01:17] <dobey> i don't think it works in the browser, and you need the whatsapp actual app to sign in
[01:17] <dobey> because it sends you a whatsapp message with a one-time passcode probably
[01:18] <mariogrip> oh
[01:18] <mariogrip> I wonder how much microsoft paid for the whatsapp port...
[01:18] <dobey> sigh
[01:21] <dobey> where the heck did the revision option go for ubuntu-device-flash
[01:23] <mariogrip> dobey: did you add "touch" before --revision=?
[01:23] <dobey> yes
[01:23] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash --server http://system-image.ubports.com/ touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable --revision 2
[01:23] <dobey> unknown flag `revision'
[01:23] <mariogrip> hum... it worked for me
[01:24] <dobey> what version of phablet-tools?
[01:25] <mariogrip> 1.2+16.04.20160219.1-0ubuntu1
[01:26] <dobey> ugh, an old broken version is in the sdk release ppa :-/
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[01:27] <dobey> mariogrip: btw, the stable image is busted too, in the same way :(
[01:28] <mariogrip> dobey: oh god, letme see if the opo is the same
[01:29] <dobey> mariogrip: it's weird that mako and the bq phones don't have this problem :-/
[01:29] <mariogrip> yeah, it is
[01:30] <dobey> and i take it the bootsplash isn't running under mir, but doing some other grpahical thing :-/
[01:30] <dobey> so why the heck is mir not running
[01:32] <dobey> and why are maliit and unity8 the only things blowing up
[01:32] <mariogrip> that's the same thing that is happening on the opo
[01:32] <mariogrip> do you have the syslog?
[01:33] <dobey> oh, well at least it's not only the hammerhead then
[01:33] <dobey> i guess it's the same thing mhall119 was complaining about last week on freephone too
[01:33] <dobey> mariogrip: i don't. adb wouldn't even find the device this time
[01:33] <dobey> well, maybe i have the syslog if it got rotated
[01:34] <dobey> nope, no rotated syslog :(
[01:34] <mariogrip> you can find syslogs from recovery
[01:34] <dobey> well i reflashed back to image #2
[01:34] <mariogrip> in /data/system-data/var/log
[01:34] <mariogrip> oh ok
[01:35] <mariogrip> maybe that's why the generic device has stopped...
[01:35] <dobey> i think the emulator images (generic device) don't get much attention
[01:36] <dobey> anyway, i should go find food
[01:36] <dobey> and get some sleep
[01:36] <prova> I have read "http://askubuntu.com/questions/333850/how-to-install-whatsapp" ,it would be useful  to "WhatsApp On Ubuntu 14.04 Using Genymotion " as written in the guide. May someone give me more info on "genymotion", how to download an image from there? it seems to me it costs a lot.
[01:36] <mariogrip> it's 02:40 here, so i probably need to sleep to...
[01:37] <dobey> prova: you can't use whatsapp on ubuntu phone. stop wasting your time trying to find answers on the internet that give you hope. it's not feasible to do it
[01:37] <dobey> anyway, must go
[01:37] <dobey> later :)
[01:40] <prova> It was not in ubuntuphone, it was 14.04 ubuntu desktop. It would be more then enough to have whatsapp in a desktop.
[01:42] <prova> mariogrip : did you try to do that?? I mean "WhatsApp On Ubuntu 14.04 Using Genymotion ",anyone has tried that?
[01:43] <mariogrip> I haven't, I don't use whatsapp. Maybe it will work, I don't know
[01:44] <mariogrip> But then it would be the same as the webapp because you still need a phone to login
[01:55] <prova> amriogrip: you have to insert a code that can will be sended to your phone(into virtualbox-genymotion) ,you will receive the sms with code in your android phone. Then you will be verified. My whatsapp on my android phone works also if I remove my sim card, it only needs wifi I believe once it has been verified. So you will have whatsapp only in ubuntu 14.04 at the end,but you can use ubuntutouch with your sim.  Just my idea, it'
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[09:47] <adfad666> I built my images, I flashed boot.img and installed via "rootstock-touch-install xenial-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz system.img" am I doing it right?
[09:47] <adfad666> unfortunately my device doesn't get past the bootloader splash screen :/
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[10:19] <vitimiti> Is there a way to remove applications' data from an Ubuntu touch? I have uninstalled preinstalled applications like Cut The Rope Free in the BQ Aquaris 4.5, but if I go to the used disk space, I can see it's still using 30,7MB of my memory and I can't seem to tell the phone to delete it, and I have others like that
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[11:26] <mcphail> vitimiti: Some applications come as part of the system image. "Uninstalling" those just hides them, rather than deleting them (I think). If you were very keen, you could make your root filesystem writable and go in and remove them manually, but it wouldn't free up any more space in the user partition
[11:27] <vitimiti> I see, mcphail, thank you
[11:27] <mcphail> vitimiti: You can also clear out data in ~/.cache, ~/.local etc
[11:27] <vitimiti> I still have more than 3GB free, anyway
[11:27] <vitimiti> Yeah, I did that with Cut The Rope Free, but it still appears there, so I guess that's in the root
[11:28] <mcphail> yep. I think you can delete it as above, but it will probably come back with the next system update
[11:30] <vitimiti> Thanks, mcphail
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[15:01] <Guest46258> sorry im kinda slow in the head and fingers
[15:04] <Guest46258> have downloaded ubuntu 14.04.4 lts.  when trying to install get message about not root file.  re"make" themquesting me to establish partitions.  im totally lost as to what they are and how to
[15:06] <Guest46258> happy to have ubuntu as only os on this computer.  upgrade to windows 10 a disaster
[15:07] <Guest46258> is anybody reading this?  or am i takling to myself?
[15:08] <peat-psuwit> Guest46258: Do you mean Ubuntu on computer, right? I think you should #ubuntu chennel instead.
[15:08] <peat-psuwit> This channel is about running Ubuntu on phones
[15:08] <Guest46258> thanks ill try that
[16:13] <n-iCe> hi guys, read you guys will support the z1 xperia?
[16:51] <mimecar> hi
[16:59] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: Fairphone 2 has 2 sim slots, right? Does it use VSID?
[17:06] <_Sponge> peat-psuwit: You can fund it too ! https://devices.ubports.com/#/FP2
[17:35] <maszlo> amazon sent me the shipping update that my nexus 7 2013 gets here tomorrow. anticipation of voiding a warranty :D
[17:38] <maszlo> my tablet useage will go from 2012 technology to 2013!  its still amazing to me that tab 2 7.0 i have can run 6.0.1 nicely.
[17:41] <maszlo> i really hope this is not an issue, but do not need to run unity correct? i have been very happy with gnome 3 on my installations.
[18:19] <labsin> Anyone tried/could try the deezer scope in the store?
[18:23] <mimecar> what do you need labsin ?
[18:24] <labsin> mimecar: if it loads OK and looks good. Just general impression (I only have unity8 desktop and that doesn't work great)
[18:25] <mimecar> scope from Sam Segers?
[18:26] <labsin> Yes
[18:28] <mimecar> there is not info on the scope
[18:28] <mimecar> I've checked with Pop music and the scope is empty
[18:29] <labsin> mimecar: Just a white screen?
[18:30] <mimecar> yes, scope name, favorite icon and search appear
[18:31] <mimecar> and music categories, but not info
[18:31] <labsin> Also without a department? Probably to do with the golang cross building. It works on amd64
[18:31] <mimecar> I'm using an aquaris e4.5
[18:32] <mimecar> I can upload a screenshot if you need it
[18:32] <labsin> Thank you. I'll unpublish it immediately.
[18:32] <mimecar> ok, tell me if you need other tests
[18:33] <labsin> No need. Maybe the logs if you can read them?
[18:33] <labsin> If you grep -r deezer from .config it should pop up the right file.
[18:36] <anpok> hm
[18:37] <mimecar> Give me some minutes
[18:37] <anpok> it works here
[18:37] <mimecar> anpok, do you see info on the scope?
[18:39] <anpok> info .. as in .. unofficial deezer scope .. browse music play song .. but now not anymore
[18:41] <mimecar> labsin, grep shows info on child-scopes.json
[18:42] <labsin> anpok: yes I pulled it from the store. Was it showing artists in the scope?
[18:45] <anpok> yes .. and album covers
[18:46] <mimecar> what's your device anpok ?
[18:46] <anpok> but only with search terms
[18:46] <anpok> mx4
[18:46] <mimecar> I've used categories selection only
[18:46] <anpok> i first thought i could just browse random stuff by using the categories..
[18:47] <anpok> but it never pulled anything
[18:47] <mimecar> you're right
[18:47] <mimecar> it works if you use search function
[18:47] <anpok> i wonder why it does not show results inside the music scope
[18:47] <anpok> since it does seem to integrate with it..
[18:49] <labsin> anpok: I haven't yet integrated that. The docs say there are currently only 2 aggregators (today and news)
[18:50] <anpok> oh ok .. because there is a config menu where I can select other scopes to work inside the music scope...
[18:51] <anpok> so that setting does nothing right now?
[18:51] <labsin> OK. So it loads fine, only not showing anything in surfacing mode.
[18:52] <mimecar> labsin, can you do the play / stop buttons bigger?
[18:52] <labsin> anpok: it should return the same as the scope itself (which is not working)
[18:52] <labsin> No the buttons are defined by Ubuntu
[18:53] <mimecar> ok
[18:53] <labsin> So it's playing fine? (The 30s preview)
[18:54] <mimecar> yes
[18:57] <labsin> Thank
[19:02] <vthompson> Is anyone else who freshly installed landing silo #50 experiencing the scopes scope/dash repeatedly crash at startup?
[19:17] <vthompson> Ok, it seems after rebooting a few times the unity8-dash decided to start up
[19:42] <amazoniantoad> Is there a fork of ubuntu touch for desktops?
[19:43] <mimecar> you can run an image on desktop
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> yes
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> oh
[19:44] <amazoniantoad> You made me feel dumb :c
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> ILL SUE YOU
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> jk
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> Thanks for making me realize the obvious
[19:45] <mimecar> :p
[19:45] <amazoniantoad> I wish there was a project for the galaxy s4 active :/
[19:46] <amazoniantoad> Whoever started on the project quit
[20:18] <newkirk> so I've downloaded phablet and android source trees.  where do I go from here?
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[22:06] <jamie2> how do i revert from make 4.0 to make 3.82 or 3.81
[22:21] <jamie2> im not sure who it was that told me you could build on ubuntu 15.10 but apparently you cant downgrade make to 3.82 or 3.81 on 15.10 at all which means you cant build
[22:22] <k1l> is this ubuntu-touch related?
[22:23] <jamie2> yes
[22:23] <jamie2> im trying to make a port for ubuntu-touch for the z3c but cant due to i am on wily and apparently you cannot revert make the 3.82 on wily
[22:45] <jamie2> i force installed make 3.82
[22:54] <k1l> jamie2: seems like most buildingmachines run 14.04. i can hardly find something about that issue.
[22:54] <jamie2> i just did a force install of make 3.82-81
[22:55] <jamie2> since there is no "supported way" to change to make 3.81-82
[22:55] <k1l> did you try to build with the stop disabled?
[22:56] <jamie2> no, gonna try this first
[22:57] <jamie2> if this does not i will then change back to 4.0 and remove the check
[23:05] <jamie2> k1l: i forced the .deb and installed jdk6 so far so good
[23:06] <jamie2> only issue i might have now is i might have messed up the aries setup
[23:06] <jamie2> and if i do its going to be in the display
[23:16] <mcphail> jamie2: might have got lost in the freenode network hiccough, but there are safer ways to run old versions of make
[23:17] <jamie2> mcphail: i know, but i dont have the knowledge to build make myself
[23:17] <mcphail> jamie2: you can simply extract the binary from the .deb and put it under ~/bin/
[23:17] <jamie2> well so far it seems to be going well
[23:18] <mcphail> jamie2: use "dpkg -x package.deb ." to extract to current directory. Forcing dpkg to install something is often going to end in tears
[23:18] <jamie2> mcphail: yea I know but its not very hard to fix it
[23:18] <jamie2> just do a fresh install of make
[23:19] <mcphail> jamie2: you'd be surprised. Fortunately, make is quite benign in its dependencies.
[23:19] <jamie2> i broke make awhile back when i was working on firefox os and was able to fix it by purging make and doing a fresh install
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[23:37] <jamie2> mcphail: well at least its a good sign that the compile is still going and hasn't failed yet