[05:17] <Kilos> morning all
[08:48] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[08:48] <chesedo> More oom Kilos, hoe gaan dit?
[08:48] <Kilos> you the only other one that doesnt use a dragging tail
[08:48] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[08:49]  * chesedo does not feel like being foxy (sly)
[08:49] <chesedo> goed dankie
[08:49] <Kilos> how does on find the address to login to a router
[08:50] <chesedo> it is usually the gateway address
[08:50] <Kilos> i have eth cable connected to a dlink
[08:50] <Kilos> ya where do i get that so i can use a browser to get in and check settings
[08:51] <Kilos> i dont have the book, its ians router i need to fix the usb socket
[08:51] <chesedo> try the "connection info" (don't know if kde has it)
[08:51] <Kilos> im on unity with it
[08:52] <chesedo> look for default route
[08:52] <Kilos> ok
[08:57] <Kilos> oh i can try get the manual
[15:01] <Kilos> Maaz wb
[15:01] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[15:50] <Kilos> sigh
[15:50] <chesedo> Kilos: did you get the ip?
[15:51] <Kilos> yes ty chesedo but it wont let me in from anywhere
[15:51] <Kilos> browsers say cant find it
[15:51] <chesedo> and if you ping it?
[15:51] <Kilos> i got the whole manual for that router
[15:51] <Kilos> let me go try that
[16:25] <Kilos> if i just ping the ip it says destination net unreachable and with http:// in front it says unknown host
[16:25] <Kilos> but nm shows i have a eth connection
[16:26] <Kilos> i even tried eth from the lappy and same ting
[16:26] <Kilos> thing
[16:26] <Kilos> grrr
[16:27] <Kilos> i even did a factory reset to defaults of the router
[16:27] <Kilos> more grrr
[16:28] <chesedo> what is the ip in nm for eth?
[16:28] <chesedo> what does the manual say the router's ip is?
[16:28] <Kilos> let me go to desktop and use xchat
[16:31] <Kilos> eish when eth connected 3g doesnt work
[16:32] <chesedo> Yes, it takes preference
[16:32] <Kilos> let me start the router thing again and see if 3g will stay
[16:32] <Kilosbento> here we go
[16:34] <Kilos> if it disconnects 3g im gonna battle
[16:35] <Kilosbento> i see a mac address
[16:36] <Kilosbento> ipv4 is auto dhcp
[16:37] <Kilosbento> 00:0F:EA:6D:FC:D3 (eth0)
[16:37] <Kilosbento> cant see an ip[
[16:38] <chesedo> On unity right?
[16:38] <Kilosbento> actually on bento here
[16:38] <Kilosbento> ubuntu based
[16:39] <Kilosbento> ubuntu with openbox
[16:39] <Kilosbento> but nm seems to be the same thing
[16:39] <chesedo> Think ifconfig should be able give ip
[16:43] <Kilosbento> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmvyn7d
[16:43] <Kilosbento> hi inetpro 
[16:45] <inetpro> oh hi oom
[16:45] <Kilosbento> lol
[16:46] <Kilosbento> i hate routers
[16:46] <Kilosbento> should get oom jan to sort this one
[16:46] <inetpro> what kinda router you have now?
[16:46] <Kilos> sec
[16:47] <chesedo> Kilos: that connenction is not up
[16:47] <Kilos> dsl-2750U
[16:47] <Kilos> dlink
[16:47] <chesedo> `ifup eth0` should do it
[16:48] <inetpro> no connection on eth0 according to the pastebin
[16:48] <Kilosbento> ifup: failed to open lockfile /run/network/ifstate.eth0: Permission denied
[16:49] <chesedo> try with sudo
[16:49] <inetpro> chesedo: it is UP already
[16:49] <chesedo> or sudo !!
[16:49] <inetpro> shouldn't need to do that
[16:49] <chesedo> inetpro: but there is no IP
[16:49] <inetpro> that does not mean the interface is down
[16:50] <chesedo> correct... doesnt ifup create a connection?
[16:50] <Kilos> i used nm to start it and now 3g gone
[16:50] <Kilos> sigh
[16:50]  * chesedo has no exp with terminal connections
[16:51] <chesedo> ai Kilos
[16:51] <inetpro> "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1"
[16:51] <inetpro>  ^^
[16:51] <Kilos> ja groot ai!
[16:51] <chesedo> inetpro: ok
[16:51] <inetpro> something telling me that either DHCP is dead on the router or...
[16:52] <chesedo> what is the ip now before switching 3g on?
[16:52] <Kilos> let me see
[16:52] <inetpro> someone has messed eith manual eth0 settings on the PC/Laptop
[16:52] <inetpro> s/eith/with/
[16:53] <Kilos> shows 10.0.0.3
[16:53] <chesedo> inetpro: it is on auto
[16:53] <inetpro> by default eth0 should pick up a DHCP address
[16:53] <chesedo> 18:36:37
[16:54] <inetpro> chesedo: where does that come from?
[16:54] <Kilos> should i set my pc ip to 10.0.0.5 or something
[16:55] <chesedo> inetpro: [18:36:37] <Kilosbento> ipv4 is auto dhcp
[16:55] <inetpro> 02/28 18:53:03 <Kilos> shows 10.0.0.3
[16:55] <inetpro> where do you get that ^^ ?
[16:55] <Kilos> oh time
[16:56] <Kilos> i did ifconfig and read the lo stuff and it gives that 
[16:56] <inetpro> sorry, gotta go for dinner
[16:56]  * inetpro wbbl
[16:56] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:57] <chesedo> Kilos: what does the manual say the routers should be?
[16:57] <Kilos> the manual says to get into it from browser use 192.168.1.1
[16:58] <Kilos> so is the 10.0.0.3 my pc ip addy
[16:58] <Kilos> thats what is in eth connection info
[16:59] <Kilos> let me go kill eth and get the bin info
[17:05] <Kilosbento> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmy2ajc
[17:05] <Kilosbento> what u business
[17:05] <Kilosbento> a
[17:06] <Kilos> i remember with my old one i spent days doing everything manually
[17:07] <Kilos> and poor fly spend much time as well
[17:10] <Kilos> i think i must change pc ip to the 10 range
[17:10] <Kilos> i think thats what oom jan did the other day
[17:15] <chesedo> Kilos: no no
[17:16] <chesedo> check if the router is available at 10.0.0.1
[17:16] <chesedo> using ping
[17:16] <chesedo> oh before that
[17:16] <Kilos> ok sec rebooting pc
[17:16] <Kilos> yes?
[17:17] <chesedo> you did not tell it to use a static ip (it is still dynamic)?
[17:17] <Kilos> still dhcp yes
[17:17] <Kilos> i have to go eat sorry
[17:17] <chesedo> ok if it is still 10.0.0.3 after the reboot then try reaching it at 10.0.0.1
[17:18] <chesedo> ok
[17:29] <inetpro> Kilos: question, where did you set the network parameters and IP address, on the GUI or on the CLI?
[17:29] <inetpro> for a standard ethernet cable connection you should not need to mess with anything at all
[17:29] <inetpro> if your router is set to its default it should provide a DHCP address automagically the moment you connect a cabled device 
[17:32] <inetpro> I don't know about d-link but routers I've worked with typically provide a range like 192.168.1.x with .1 being the gateway
[17:35] <Kilos> thats what i thought
[17:36] <Kilos> but remember jan having hassles some weeks back
[17:36] <Kilos> also something to do with the 10.0.0 range
[17:36] <Kilos> i used nm
[17:36] <inetpro> setting your PC to 10.0.0.x would be like changing your home address and telling people you live in another street
[17:38] <inetpro> your router is like the street corner in your block of homes
[17:39] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[17:39] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts, but when made by intelligent people is often proven to be true.
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <bushtech_> What is the ip address of the router as shown on back of router?
[18:06] <Kilos> let me go see
[18:06] <Kilos> and hi bushtech_ 
[18:07] <bushtech_> hi kilos, others
[18:08] <Kilos> 10.0.0.2
[18:09] <bushtech_> ah, then the manual is incorrect in stating that you can reach it at 192.168.1.1
[18:09] <Kilosbento> yes
[18:10] <bushtech_> after a hard reboot going to 10.0.0.2 on your browser you should see it's webpage
[18:10] <bushtech_> nb hard reboot
[18:10] <Kilosbento> lemme try ty
[18:10] <Kilosbento> hard reboot means power off?
[18:11] <bushtech_> no 
[18:11] <Kilosbento> oh
[18:11] <Kilosbento> hit it with a 4lb hammer?
[18:11] <bushtech_> normally u stick a pin into a small hole in the router for about 10 sec
[18:12] <bushtech_> if that hammer doesn't work get a bigger hammer
[18:12] <Kilos> oh the reset to factory defaults thing
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <bushtech_> yebo
[18:13] <bushtech_> normally a sequence of lights flashing on router wiill show u whats happening during reboot
[18:14] <Kilos> yes power light went red
[18:15] <Kilos> now green again and some flashing lights
[18:18] <Kilos> ai! still cant browse to it or ping 10.0.0.2
[18:19] <bushtech_> have you got any other web pages open trying to acesss 10.0.0.2?
[18:19] <bushtech_> have had that prioblem before
[18:19] <Kilos> nope
[18:19] <Kilos> maybe nm
[18:20] <bushtech_> is your computer set to auto dhcp
[18:21] <bushtech_> & see if your gateway is 10.0.0.2
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:21] <bushtech_> & dns server also
[18:24] <Kilos> im in ty
[18:25] <Kilos> had 8.8.8.8 by the dns thing
[18:25] <bushtech_> great!
[18:25] <Kilos> thanks alot bushtech_ 
[18:25] <bushtech_> np
[18:26] <bushtech_> maybe one of the experts can tell us if 8.8.8.8 should be added as a second dns server
[18:28] <bushtech_> if your router can hand out fixed ip addresses that is the way to go
[18:28] <bushtech_> makes life a lot simpler
[18:28] <Kilos> hyes i see it in the setup wizard
[18:29] <Kilos> fixed =static
[18:30]  * inetpro likes it when other peeps jump in to help
[18:30] <inetpro> sorry oom Kilos, was just on the phone here... happy to see you got things running 
[18:30] <inetpro> wb bushtech_
[18:30] <inetpro> long time no see
[18:30] <Kilos> np inetpro 
[18:30] <bushtech_> hi inetpro
[18:32] <Kilos> so in the static ip thing must i enter the info for the router as 10.0.0.2
[18:32] <Kilos> or is that for ips it supplies
[18:32] <inetpro> I keep my DNS on default and when there's trouble on the network I simply use 8.8.8.8 to test connectivity 
[18:33] <Kilos> and the isp will be ppp0e right?
[18:33] <bushtech_> if u have a couple of computers you want to connect draw up a list, change ip to static on computers, then go type in the computers on the router
[18:34] <bushtech_> you will need their mac addresses
[18:34] <Kilos> ah ty
[18:34] <Kilos> even for wifi connection
[18:34] <bushtech_> yep
[18:34] <Kilos> cool ty
[18:36] <bushtech_> when u set up router remember to change  dhcp to static
[18:36] <Kilos> primary dns server?
[18:36] <bushtech_> 10.0.0.2
[18:36] <Kilos> 10.0.0.2 
[18:36] <Kilos> yay
[18:37] <Kilos> when entering more than on pc ip do you just use a , between addresses
[18:38] <Kilos> one
[18:38] <inetpro> or you can use dhcp but map a MAC address to a IP manually
[18:38] <Kilos> oh my
[18:38] <Kilos> why dont i do these things on good head days
[18:39] <inetpro> in such a case you keep the PC on automatic but it will always get the same IP address
[18:39] <Kilos> anyway everything is changable now i can get into the thing
[18:39] <bushtech_> I never have good head days
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> take mine for a day
[18:40] <Kilos> then youll have many
[18:40] <bushtech_> specially when a computer decides to have a bad hair day
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <inetpro> for servers I will always set a static IP address outside of the DHCP range
[18:41] <Kilos> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> VPI (enter a number) is invalid
[18:43] <bushtech_> inetpro: speaking about that, if you set ip ouside range are those ip still protected by routers firewall?
[18:44] <inetpro> protected in what way?
[18:45] <bushtech_> behind the firewall
[18:46] <inetpro> typically you would have a DHCP scope with the first few addresses like 1-10 in the exclusion range and all other up to 255 in the automatic range
[18:47] <inetpro> short answer would be yes
[18:48] <inetpro> the choice of ranges is all yours to customise the way you want
[18:50] <inetpro> s/255/254/
[18:50] <inetpro> not 255
[18:51] <bushtech_> the stupid router I'm using currently cant hand out fixed ip's so the only way I could fix my kodi servers ip address was making it fixed outside the routers ip list
[18:51] <inetpro> addresses from x.x.x.1 - x.x.x.254 with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 is like a set of homes in the same street
[18:52] <Kilos> haha inetpro you read that story well
[18:52] <Kilos> you using those examples
[18:52] <inetpro> in order for the postman to deliver letters to homes in another street he would have to go via the router before he can get to another street
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: what story?
[18:55] <Kilos> about the routers workings
[18:55] <Kilos> starting off with binary stuff
[18:55] <inetpro> my example is just simple logic 
[18:55] <Kilos> im not even half way
[18:56] <Kilos> even with dhcp this things wants numbers for vpi and vci
[18:56] <Kilos> otherwise it pops up a java script thing
[18:57] <Kilos> static and dynamic has them
[18:58] <Kilos> and book says not many will need them
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:58] <bushtech_> not familiar with vpi vci  what are they?
[18:58] <Kilos> virtual path identifier
[18:59] <Kilos> and virtual channel identifier
[18:59] <bushtech_> ah thanks
[18:59] <Kilos> cant copy on okular
[18:59] <bushtech_> you running any virtual machines?
[18:59] <Kilos> nope
[19:00] <bushtech_> then you shouldnt have to worry about that
[19:01] <Kilos> it wont go past that till i have entered numbers
[19:01] <Kilos> for multiple virtual connections
[19:02] <bushtech_> this is on the router webpage?
[19:02] <Kilos> in the setup wizard yes
[19:03] <bushtech_> back out of the setup and set it up manually
[19:03] <Kilos> i think that will be better ya
[19:03] <Kilos> kill the wizard
[19:04] <Kilos> wizards always add probs
[19:05] <Kilos> can you see this http://pasteboard.co/1TIqy5Fi.png
[19:06] <Kilos> only way i could get it
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro how does one copy text on okular
[19:06] <Kilos> the manual opens with okular
[19:07] <Kilos> wb tumbleweed 
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: click Selection at the top before highlighting text
[19:09] <Kilos> ty
[19:10] <inetpro> or Tools menu | Selection Tool
[19:10] <inetpro> or Ctrl+3
[19:18]  * ateKore says hi
[19:18] <Kilos> i hate these things
[19:18] <Kilos> says click add to add new internet connection but no add button'
[19:19] <Kilos> maybe tomorrow will go better
[19:20] <Kilos> oh my
[19:21] <Kilos> missed atekore
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. ty for the help
[19:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:34] <arts> Howzit guys!
[19:35] <arts> \join #elementry