[09:37] <dkessel> ok, so module-init-tools still fails to authenticate ;)
[09:39] <flocculant> yep
[09:40] <dkessel> setting up snapshots to be able to verify the fix in all the upgrade scenarios when it is there
[09:41] <flocculant> it's definitely not the 'transient network issue' the error message alludes to :p
[09:41] <flocculant> I'll be just redoing them - hardware tests
[09:55] <flocculant> knome: the blocked thing was done - I forgot that I/we did that ... 
[10:51] <knome> flocculant, lol
[10:52] <flocculant> :)
[10:53] <flocculant> I assume you had the mail - but update to cont-docs hanging around - guess that could go live when the 'user' bit does
[10:54] <knome> yes, i'll check that later today when i get back home
[10:54] <knome> we're just leaving
[10:54] <flocculant> have a good day :)
[10:54] <knome> ta ta, will at least try to
[10:54] <flocculant> :)
[11:55] <bluesabre> morning all
[11:55] <flocculant> hey bluesabre 
[11:56] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[12:55] <phillw> hiyas good people, having had a quick listen in on software center, Jorn did a change a while back (#177) https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/lubuntu-software-center-trunk so it is flavour neutral. There was a bit of concern that you guys and galls would have to fork it and  maintain it. That is not the case. Lubuntu will look after it. I've just pinged our head of dev to ask that patch be added soon :
[12:55] <phillw> If you decide not to use it, that's fine. I just want you to know it is an option for you guys :)
[12:57] <phillw> knome: :-*we don't forget, it just takes a while :D
[13:06] <phillw> hi Noskcaj :)
[13:59] <dkessel> flocculant: was a little bit unsure if the bug is in the testcase or in the software - bug 1550927
[14:02] <dkessel> i was unsure because, to me, it makes more sense to still be Prompt=normal  after the upgrade, although the testcase insists on the opposite. but i guess one can argue on or the other way on the behaviour
[14:27] <flocculant> probably the testcase
[14:47] <dkessel> so nobody else really has those video playback issues in xenial?
[14:47] <dkessel> in both vlc and parole...
[14:55] <bluesabre> dkessel: what problems, can probably help
[14:57] <dkessel> well... some videos cannot be played at all. resulting in green (vlc) or black (parole) screen, but nothing else. also, vlc manages to play the audio, but parole cannot...
[14:57] <dkessel> bluesabre: ^
[14:59] <dkessel> mkv with h264 video, ac3 audio in this case
[15:11] <slickymaster> knome, been on the road all past week
[15:12] <slickymaster> just got home yesterday night
[15:12] <slickymaster> will start to work on the installer this week
[15:14] <slickymaster> also, it's now over a month past https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-January/011005.html
[15:14] <slickymaster> so we should start to think about doing something even though no one cares about it
[15:15] <dkessel> oh, it sounds good! maybe i should have responded
[15:16] <slickymaster> yes, do it please, dkessel 
[15:39] <flocculant> dkessel: parole set it not use clutter - haven't a clue about vlc as I never use it 
[15:40] <dkessel> flocculant: doesn't work. any other packages involved?
[15:40] <flocculant> slickymaster: on the other hand - why worry about other flavours?
[15:41] <flocculant> x windows (no xv) doesn't work? 
[15:41] <flocculant> dkessel: ^^
[15:41] <dkessel> flocculant: nope
[15:42] <dkessel> and i've seen this video play before :p
[15:42] <dkessel> and thunar can create a thumbnail of it
[15:42] <flocculant> well - it works here :)
[15:43] <slickymaster> it's something that has an impact on all flavors flocculant 
[15:43] <flocculant> slickymaster: no
[15:43] <slickymaster> how come?
[15:43] <flocculant> if other flavours aren't interested - then just worry about xubuntu
[15:44] <slickymaster> oh, on that you're right
[15:44] <flocculant> dkessel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15231175/
[15:44] <slickymaster> yeah, I do agree with you
[15:44] <flocculant> and I've got ffmpeg
[15:44] <flocculant> slickymaster: so basically what I'm saying is *shrug* just like they are :)
[15:45] <slickymaster> yes
[15:50] <dkessel> well, switching to ubuntu trusty for that video :p
[15:56] <dkessel> ...and that just works
[16:06] <flocculant> slickymaster: on a more interesting note - what's the plan with our slideshow :)
[16:09] <slickymaster> apparentlyknome has already move it
[16:09] <flocculant> dkessel: just ftr - installed vlc - plays mkv fine 
[16:10] <flocculant> slickymaster: moved it?
[16:10] <slickymaster> lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 is now the working branch
[16:10] <flocculant> oh right I see
[16:11] <slickymaster> our docs branch is about 140 MB, with it
[16:11] <slickymaster> I'm planning on start working on it this week
[16:12] <slickymaster> that and removing all the gmb references from the docs
[16:12] <flocculant> slickymaster: fyi - fop upgraded - still no pdf's
[16:13] <slickymaster> hmmm does krytarik has any ideas about it?
[16:13] <flocculant> no idea - knome was going to look - apparently a different issue now
[16:14] <slickymaster> are you thinking in anything in particular, re. the slideshow?
[16:15] <flocculant> nope
[16:15] <slickymaster> ok
[16:15] <flocculant> just interested :)
[16:15] <slickymaster> I'll ping you throughout the week
[16:15] <slickymaster> to be honest I'm still half asleep
[16:16] <slickymaster> arrived yesterady at 3:30 AM
[16:16] <slickymaster> * yesterday
[16:16] <flocculant> yea I saw :)
[21:10] <knome> flocculant, oh oops. yeah, fop..
[21:17] <knome> slickymaster, haven't thought much about the slideshow apart from the artwork side
[21:17] <knome> slickymaster, but one option is to go more "look, we have a website! look!"
[21:18] <knome> slickymaster, and then also highlighting the community
[21:18] <knome> slickymaster, if/when we do the wallpaper contest, results from that maybe (we discussed about that 2 years ago)
[21:22] <flocculant> knome: ha ha - I win that one :p
[21:23] <knome> flocculant, have you looked at lubuntu-software-center at some point?
[21:23] <Unit193> Considering the track record, upload history?
[21:24] <knome> Unit193, miss.
[21:24] <knome> Unit193, or in other words, explain :P
[21:25] <flocculant> knome: long time ago
[21:26] <knome> i think it would be worth looking at
[21:27] <knome> just because it's gtk and it supposedly works for lubuntu ;)
[21:27] <knome> also if you read the backlog, you'll notice that they are open to renaming it too
[21:28] <Unit193> "supposedly"
[21:28] <knome> well, i haven't heard horror stories of people using lubuntu who can't get their package manager to work
[21:46] <flocculant> bug 1497756 is still there
[21:47] <flocculant> if we went that way - and people installing xubuntu then decided to remove it - leaving behind a file doesn't enamour me to it
[21:48] <flocculant> 'large' is not what I would call the size of the file though (84Mb here) - I've got larger flac's
[21:48] <knome> ;)
[21:48] <Unit193> It'd be so easy to fix too. :/
[21:48] <flocculant> it was 
[21:48] <flocculant> ... 
[21:48] <Unit193> I mean in the packaging.
[21:49] <flocculant> :)
[21:49] <flocculant> I knew that 
[21:49] <flocculant> anyway - so yes it has the repos in it (but I doubt that gs won't for long) and looks much of a muchness to usc and gs
[21:50] <flocculant> but frankly I would rather - if we have to change - change to gs given that Ubuntu will want to keep it working for longer than we would
[21:50] <flocculant> with the 5 year support cycle
[21:52] <flocculant> as far as gs goes - we need to try and get some sense of what's going on with making it work from them somehow
[21:52] <flocculant> bluesabre wanted us to be in a position to make decision by week tomorrow iirc
[21:53] <knome> of course if the bug(s) were fixed in lsc...
[21:54] <flocculant> regardless - I would rather use something with ubuntu behind it
[21:55] <knome> yep, that's never a bad thing
[21:55] <knome> ...unless it gets messy and installs half of gnome or unity :D
[21:55] <flocculant> well yea - but it doesn't seem to do so :)
[21:55] <knome> yet
[21:55] <knome> ;)=
[21:56] <flocculant> we should ramble on about this on wednesday more I think
[21:56] <knome> do you mean thursday?
[21:56] <flocculant> of course I do :p
[21:56] <knome> yep
[21:57] <flocculant> I should be there - might be late
[21:57] <knome> i should be there until i figure something more interesting to do
[21:57] <knome> ;)
[21:58] <flocculant> lol
[21:58] <flocculant> talking of which
[21:58] <flocculant> time to do a zebedee here :)
[21:58] <flocculant> night all 
[21:58] <knome> nighty!
[22:22] <knome> flexiondotorg, hey! phillw was asking me about our decision to not support the pi images (https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/)
[22:23] <flexiondotorg> knome, OK
[22:23] <knome> flexiondotorg, that led me to ask the question: why are the ISOs built to begin with since we said that we don't want to support?
[22:23] <flexiondotorg> Because people wanted them.
[22:23] <knome> without any explanation for the no, it feels a bit weird that we are listed there
[22:24] <flexiondotorg> Would you like them removed? Or would you like an explanation added the none on the Xubuntu core team have a Pi and are therefore unable to support them?
[22:25] <knome> we have a team meeting on thursday, and we could talk about this too
[22:25] <knome> i'm not in the position to choose this or that, but if the image is listed there, i personally would appreciate a note
[22:26] <flexiondotorg> knome, I'll add one.
[22:26] <knome> sth along the lines that it's an unofficial community build at minimum
[22:26] <knome> thanks
[22:26] <knome> let's figure out the best way for both
[22:26] <knome> i'll get back to you again after our meeting :)
[22:26] <knome> (or you can follow it on this very channel :P)
[22:27] <Unit193> Community spins are generally acceptable, though usually best to stick as close as one can to actual ISOs and no personal preferences changed (Source: I do community spins.)
[22:27] <knome> and considering that the flavour maker project supports the hardware, maybe a yellow no would be more appropriate
[22:28] <knome> Unit193, and note that they are unofficial community builds.
[22:28] <Unit193> (I think I note that, at least. >_> )
[22:28] <knome> Unit193, ...as you know and do
[22:33] <Unit193> Which, core is getting massive too...
[22:37] <knome> mm.
[22:39] <Unit193> 596M → 729M?  Yeeeah...
[23:04] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:05] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[23:06] <bluesabre> hey knome
[23:07] <knome> bluesabre, you haven't reacted to my question about the media manager article series yet
[23:07] <knome> bluesabre, which is: what do you cloud player users want to say? :P
[23:08] <bluesabre> knome: hadn't seen a question :)
[23:08] <bluesabre> knome: maybe advertise cloud players that have some integration with ubuntu (sound indicator, notifications) or that are available in multiple countries, etc
[23:09] <bluesabre> with those, there may have to be some caution with the use of trademarks
[23:09] <knome> yeah...
[23:10] <knome> would you like to cooperate writing that one, or delegate the cooperation to somebody else on the cloud list
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: there's also the trouble of package support. For Spotify to work, you have to grab a package that is no longer shipped in Ubuntu, etc
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: I can certainly help with it
[23:10] <knome> but you can use play.spotify.com
[23:11] <knome> so maybe that's one of the aspects to mention
[23:11] <bluesabre> true
[23:11] <knome> let's coordinate the writing at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud
[23:12] <bluesabre> knome: I probably don't have a lot of time to contribute to this in the next few hours, but guessing this is something we're working on for closer to release time?
[23:13] <knome> it looks like we will have four articles:
[23:13] <knome> - gmb
[23:13] <knome> - clementine
[23:13] <knome> - cloud
[23:13] <knome> - "others"
[23:13] <knome> so if we want to lead this to the release and release one article per week, the deadline is in about a month for the first one
[23:13] <knome> and we can do gmb/clementine first
[23:14] <knome> so not a huge rush, as long as we don't end up in the situation that we need to hastily put this together :D
[23:15] <Unit193> pithos has some indicator support, IIRC.
[23:15] <knome> Unit193, plz add in the pad
[23:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, pithos has indicator support and notifications