furkanis there any way i can get hold of an old udev package? over here there's a list of all the components involved with processing hotkeys, and udev is one of them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting00:13
furkani was able to get the old unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center packages from launchpad, but i can't find any old versions of udev00:13
sarnoldfurkan: udev is built from the systemd source package these days00:15
sarnoldfurkan: there'll be links off of here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd00:16
sarnoldfurkan: maybe you can use apt-get install udev=versionnumber to install them -- the deps are a bit complicated there, you may need to also install other binary packages too00:16
furkanthanks sarnold i'll check it out00:21
furkani'll see if i can find the culprit from among the packages listed on that wiki page.. otherwise i'll just file a general bug like you said00:22
furkani just tried the apt-get method and it couldn't find the package00:24
furkan"E: Version '228-2ubuntu2' for 'udev' was not found"00:24
furkani was basically trying to work backwards from my apt history log00:24
furkani upgraded to 16.04 on Jan. 4th and i started noticing the issue around the 23rd, so it's not a very big window00:26
sarnoldit's possible old versions have been removed from mirrors, or perhaps they never made it off dev machines, etc..00:27
sarnoldthe launchpad link a while back has packages that you can download and install but it'll be a far more manual process if you have to go that route00:27
furkani wonder if the original ISO image for the first alpha release is still around somewhere?00:28
furkanif there was an ISO image (i had just upgraded with do-release-upgrade)00:29
furkanmight be easiest to start from there and then work forwards00:29
furkaninstead of trying to work backwards like i am00:29
furkanlooks like those images have been removed....00:31
Fudgecommented on #118666201:26
Fudgebug #118666201:27
ubot5bug 1186662 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Trusty) "isc-dhcp-server fails to renew lease file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118666201:27
Fudgeits looking as if its fixed01:34
Fudgenope still getting disconnected01:45
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pittiBonjour tout le monde !06:31
furkanbonjour pitti06:43
furkanfunny tjaalton just mentioned you in #ubuntu-x a few minutes ago :)06:43
furkanok 20 minutes ago06:44
furkani'm having an interesting issue with my keyboard, it was working fine w/ Ubuntu 15.10 but i started getting an issue after upgrading to 16.0406:44
furkanbasically my volume buttons stop working after suspend/resume06:45
furkanand i get some errors in my xorg log http://pastebin.com/XNFwSp5S06:45
furkanbasically one of the devices (/dev/input/event4) disappears after suspend/resume06:46
furkankeyboard still works but not the volume buttons06:46
pittilaptops often split the "regular" and "function" keys into two different physical devices, indeed06:47
pitti"ThinkPad Extra Buttons" and similar06:47
furkanin this case it's an MS wireless USB keyboard06:47
furkanbut yeah, it is split up into a few devices06:47
pittifurkan: I think the next steps are to try a few different older kernels and find out which particular kernel version introduced that regression, then file a bug against linux06:48
pittifurkan: actually, start with trying to boot 16.04 with the 15.10 kernel06:49
furkanactually i should have mentioned, i tried doing that already06:49
pittito decide between userspace and kekrnel06:49
pitti(most likely kernel, but one never knows)06:49
furkanbut it still persists, so i was suspecting maybe udev?06:49
furkanis there any other possibility then?06:50
furkani also tried downgrading unity-settings-daemon but i'm guessing that couldn't be it06:50
pittifor userspace? yes, quite a few06:50
pittiyou could poke some configuration into the device that it doesn't like, or what not06:50
pittiif 16.04 with 15.10 kernel works, it's most certainly a kernel regression06:50
furkanoh no it doesn't06:51
furkanthat was one of the first things i tried06:51
pittiif it's userspace, bisection then needs to happen there, between udev rules (enabling power management perhaps?), xorg drivers, etc.06:51
furkando you have any tips for doing that or should i just submit a bug report first?06:52
furkanbecause i tried downgrading udev and it was pretty painful06:52
furkanit broke a whole bunch of other packages like xorg06:52
pittifurkan: best to file a bug report, to collect/attach data to06:52
furkanok will do that, any suggestions on what to file it against?06:53
pittifurkan: you can try to do a direct kernel suspend without userspace messing around -- echo mem | sudo tee /sys/power/state06:53
furkanhmm ok i'll do that after my next reboot06:53
pittifurkan: please file it against linux so far, as ubuntu-bug linux collects a lot of data and logs06:53
furkanok great06:54
pittifurkan: please file it *after* the issue happens, so that the collected logs contain the suspend06:54
furkangood call lol06:54
larsugood morning :)08:00
Trevinhohey larsu :)08:46
larsuTrevinho: mornig! What's up?08:47
larsuhi Sweet5hark :)08:47
Trevinholarsu: allright, you? How is it going?08:48
larsugood, good. Had a relaxing two weeks of holiday including a long hike (from which my foot still hurts, but meh)08:49
Trevinhothat's cool08:49
Trevinhonot the hurting side, :)08:49
larsuhehe it's getting better08:52
larsuand it was totally worth it :)08:52
willcookehey ho09:04
pittihey larsu, hello willcooke!09:05
* pitti waves to Sweet5hark and Trevinho too09:05
Trevinhohi pitti09:06
hikikohi pitti willcooke larsu Trevinho09:07
seb128good morning desktopers!09:08
hikikohi seb12809:08
pittibonjour seb128 !09:09
seb128had a good w.e?09:09
larsubonjour seb128! :)09:10
larsuhi pitti09:10
larsuhi hikiko09:10
pittiheey larsu!09:10
pittiseb128: oui ! après quatre week-ends de voyager celui-ci était calme :)09:10
pittiseb128: et toi ?09:11
seb128un peu pareil, w.e reposant :-)09:11
seb128I played some tennis on saturday and relaxed/sauna-ed yesterday09:12
seb128willcooke, how was mwc?09:12
willcookeseb128, soooo tiring.  Showed a lot of people convergence, everyone loves it! :)09:13
seb128nursing your feet after a week of standing up? ;-)09:14
willcookeseb128, ha, yeah - my feet still hurt :((09:15
seb128well done on winning $glass_trophy09:15
seb128whatever that is, the g+ post didn't give context and the photo was not good enough to read what's writen on it09:15
davmor2willcooke: so buying a standing desk today then, right?09:16
willcookedavmor2, on reflection, no.09:17
Sweet5harklarsu, pitti, hikiko, seb128, willcooke, Trevinho: 'd morning all.09:23
hikikohi Sweet5hark09:27
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seb128Sweet5hark, are you going to have another libreoffice xenial upload to do this week? I'm asking because we are going to need at least a no change rebuild for the new poppler soname, but nicer to not do more uploads that needed09:45
willcookehikiko, what do you think about backporting this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/144272810:00
willcookeseb128, ^10:00
ubot5Launchpad bug 1442728 in compiz (Ubuntu Trusty) "Chromium fullscreen should be unredirected by default" [Medium,Confirmed]10:00
willcookeseems harmless to me10:00
seb128+1, did we get any confirmation/feedback on whether it's working as expected?10:01
willcookeseb128, all the feedback I gathered boils down to either "It was fine before, and it's still fine" or, more importantly, "Yay. Fixed"10:01
willcookegot about 10 responses to calls for testing10:01
seb128let's SRU then ;-)10:02
hikikowillcooke, +110:03
willcookehikiko, added to backlog: https://trello.com/c/eWVGsIhJ10:03
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seb128tjaalton, hey, could you look at bug #1551028 ? it claims to be a trusty .4 new issue10:19
ubot5bug 1551028 in cairo (Ubuntu) "glGenFramebuffers fails when linked with OSMesa AND X11" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155102810:20
seb128Sweet5hark, saw my question earlier?10:44
Sweet5harkseb128: hmm, nope I guess. rebooted in the morning, lost the backlog.10:45
seb128Sweet5hark, are you going to have another libreoffice xenial upload to do this week? I'm asking because we are going to need at least a no change rebuild for the new poppler soname, but nicer to not do more uploads that needed10:45
seb128Sweet5hark, ^ :-)10:45
Sweet5harkseb128: ah, k. I already have some things in the pipe for libreoffice. when do you think you will do the poppler thing?10:47
seb128Sweet5hark, I uploaded it on friday, so things are in proposed until we do the necessary rebuilds10:47
seb128no hurry, but it's not this week we can probably do a no change rebuild and do the other changes alter10:48
Sweet5harkseb128:  will try to bundle up what I have then, hope to have that ready by the evening.10:48
seb128Sweet5hark, thanks10:49
desrt"Good morning."12:01
tjaaltonseb128: alright12:06
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seb128hey desrt12:22
seb128tjaalton, thanks12:22
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ubot5Launchpad bug 1551208 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "16.04 Default Wallpaper" [Undecided,New]12:27
seb128no center/symetric shape on this one, less likely to disturbe people ;-)12:29
davmor2seb128, willcooke: Looks like tomorrow will be desktop testing day \o/12:38
willcookethanks davmor212:47
seb128hey andyrock13:04
qengho'morning, y'all.13:09
seb128hey qengho13:09
desrthihi qengho13:14
desrtand andyrock13:14
tjaaltonwhere did the old monospace font go?13:21
tjaalton"monospace regular" is much wider13:21
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* Sweet5hark should have adapted his chinstrap ssh foo, it seems13:25
ogra_i thought thats vpn only since a while now13:27
flocculantgood afternoon peeps - how does one get gnome-software to recognise what's available in the repos?13:32
flocculant(in something other than Ubuntu ... )13:33
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flocculantnvm - see the bug now13:45
Sweet5harkogra_: whats the vpn entry point, now that chinstraps gone?14:22
ogra_is it actually gone ?14:22
ogra_i thought it just doent act as ssh proxy14:23
ogra_(it is ages ago that i did set up my VPN stuff)14:23
mhall119Laney: ping14:26
willcookemhall119, he's on hols14:26
mhall119willcooke: ah, who else would know about the AppStream needs for Gnome Software Center?14:26
willcookemhall119, back tomorrow14:27
willcookemhall119, certainly a laney question14:27
mhall119ok, will wait for tomorrow then, thanks14:27
davmor2willcooke: wait what he leaves and you let him???? ;)14:38
willcookedavmor2, he mentioned something about legal rights14:38
willcookeI dunno, I wasn't really listening14:38
davmor2willcooke: pffff :D14:39
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Sweet5harkseb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/ has an update, if that still helps.15:08
Sweet5harkseb128: the most relevant change is that its 5.1.1~rc2 instead of 5.1.0 (rc2 will most likely be final, but is quite fresh)15:09
seb128Sweet5hark, it does, thanks15:09
Sweet5harkseb128: yw15:10
seb128Sweet5hark, looks like I need to deal with chinstrap being deprecated as well ;-)15:11
seb128bregma, just as a fyi I'm starting to review libertine-scope, I didn't forget you ;-)16:02
* bregma was starting to feel sad and lonely16:02
seb128good that I remembered then :-)16:04
seb128looking good so far16:04
seb128it feels a bit weird having one file LGPL for which one we own the code, we could have put it under the GPL3 like everything else no?16:04
bregmaseb, it's a copy of the broken header supplied in the SDK except fixed, it will disappear from the libertine-scope source when the associated bug gets fixed upstream in the SDK16:14
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robert_ancellwillcooke, back to normal?19:41
willcookerobert_ancell, hey!19:44
robert_ancellflocculant, can you run "$ G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all gnome-software" from the command line and paste me the output?19:47
flocculantrobert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15246458/19:48
robert_ancellflocculant, that was all?19:49
robert_ancellThe output shows the plugins were initialized, then immediately destroyes19:49
flocculantyep - that was all I got19:50
seb128hey robert_ancell19:51
robert_ancellseb128, hi19:51
seb128robert_ancell, you don't get the "list only installed softwares" issues?19:51
robert_ancellseb128, I did before, I think due to a change I'd made. But not now19:51
seb128everybody else seems to get it19:51
robert_ancellseb128, I'll update from the archive and check I don't have a weird version installed19:52
seb128try on a daily iso maybe?19:52
seb128you might have a cache or a local dir or something19:52
seb128did you try in a guest session?19:52
robert_ancellseb128, btw, you know the review patches are in GNOME git right? You can just commit to wip/rancell/reviews if you have changes19:53
robert_ancellseb128, works in guest, works after update. Perhaps my appdata is special..19:56
seb128robert_ancell, no, i didn't know, but I don't know much about the g-s code so far, I submitted a patch for a soup warning upstream and fixed a packaging issue ... btw I was wondering when I did the upload, do you have a packaging vcs?20:00
robert_ancellseb128, no packaging vcs, I was just copying in updated packages from git20:01
robert_ancellseb128, happy to make a packaging branch20:01
seb128unsure if we need one20:01
seb128I just didn't want my potfile update to be reverted on next upload ;-)20:01
* seb128 checks if that was the case20:01
seb128seems not, good :-)20:02
seb128robert_ancell, btw do you think we should turn off csd?20:05
robert_ancellseb128, I haven't noticed any issues with it, are there some?20:06
seb128what designed pointed out when we previously asked about it/recommended to turn that off for the default set in the LTS20:06
seb128mostly the duplicate decorations when maximized20:07
seb128and the panel/headerbar looking weird next to each others20:07
seb128like the headerbar is not flat under the panel20:08
seb128also lack of wm actions to e.g move to another workspace but I think that's a detail20:08
seb128but if nothing else using csd in the default install we should probably do it for the sake of consistency20:08
seb128willcooke, ^ opinion?20:08
seb128would looke better if Trevinho was landing proper csd support in unity though ;-)20:09
willcookeseb128, Trevinho said he would be landing something v. soon20:11
willcookehe thought he would have a gtk patch tonight20:13
flocculantrobert_ancell: just so you know - I'm seeing those on a vanilla updated xubuntu as well as whatever you'd call what I've ended up with locally20:19
robert_ancellflocculant, can you run "appstreamcli search galculator"20:20
flocculantyup - that returns with info20:21
seb128willcooke, still, even if those are displayed with normal corners, better to have normal decorations for xenial no?20:21
seb128robert_ancell, oh, also g-s doesn't list evince there, it says it's duplicate ... do you get the issue as well?20:22
seb128I was unsure if that was the same issue20:22
seb128Laney said that downgrading g-s was making non-installed softwares and evince listed for him20:22
robert_ancellflocculant, :/20:22
seb128so the issue was something in g-s20:23
robert_ancellseb128, I did the upload after he said that20:23
robert_ancellwhat version do you have?20:23
robert_ancellseb128, ah, that's old20:23
willcookeseb128, normal?20:24
robert_ancellseb128, you should have 3.19.91~git20160229.ceb6b9d-0ubuntu120:24
seb128robert_ancell, oh, that just migrated 6 hours ago ... let me upgrade20:24
seb128willcooke, normal being compiz decoration, not gtk ones20:24
robert_ancellflocculant, which version do you have?20:24
flocculantrobert_ancell: the newest one ceb6b9d20:25
robert_ancellattente, you got spare cycles? Want to look at some g-s bugs?20:27
seb128robert_ancell, k, the new one lists evince, but it doesn't list any category now20:27
attenterobert_ancell: sure20:28
robert_ancellseb128, which category for example?20:28
robert_ancellattente, anything on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software catch your eye?20:29
robert_ancellattente, bug 1549502 might be a good start20:29
ubot5bug 1549502 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "doesn't exit on close, which confuses the unity dash" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154950220:29
flocculantseb128: like this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244058077/gs.png but with evince instead20:29
seb128robert_ancell,  like ^20:29
attenterobert_ancell: isn't that because g-s runs as a daemon?20:29
robert_ancellattente, also bug 154950820:30
ubot5bug 1549508 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "review "was useful yes/no" buttons don't seem to do anything" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154950820:30
robert_ancellattente, yes, but we probably don't need/want that. Or we need to make Unity more aware - needs investigation20:30
seb128robert_ancell, before today's update I had all the categories button, they just listed only installed softwares20:30
robert_ancellseb128, you don't see any categories at all on the home page?20:30
seb128robert_ancell, no, like that screenshot20:31
seb128the featured and editor pick20:31
seb128and empty bellow20:31
robert_ancellseb128, if you can do the G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all as flocculant did and paste the result20:31
flocculantseb128: I was seeing the same as you previous to this update20:31
attenterobert_ancell: ok, i'll take a look at both of those20:31
seb128robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15246791/20:32
seb128it seems to "no AppStream match for {pkgname}" for everything20:33
robert_ancellseb128, ok, your log has got further than flocculant20:33
flocculantI assume that's what you expected from me then20:33
willcookeseb128, +1 for consistency re csd.20:33
robert_ancellflocculant, yeah20:33
seb128flocculant, you need to make sure to stop the active instance even if it stays as  a service20:34
robert_ancellseb128, so that suggests to me you appstream data is not working. Can you try "appstreamcli search galculator"20:34
seb128$ appstreamcli search galculator20:34
seb128Identifier: galculator.desktop [desktop]20:34
seb128Name: Galculator20:34
seb128Summary: Effectuer des calculs simples et scientifiques20:34
seb128Package: galculator20:34
seb128Homepage: http://galculator.sf.net20:34
seb128Icon: galculator_galculator.png20:34
flocculantseb128: ack - trying that20:34
flocculantrobert_ancell: ok - so stopping it and running the debug looks much more like seb128's20:35
robert_ancellflocculant, oh, it was probably connecting to an existing process20:35
flocculantrobert_ancell: so that's good - I don't have a different issue :)20:36
robert_ancellseb128, ah lot of the appstream match misses are because these are libraries. Was thinking of just filtering out everything in "libs" from apt to reduce these20:36
robert_ancellThere *shouldn't* be any apps in the libs category right?20:36
robert_ancellseb128, is there more log? It truncates20:37
flocculantrobert_ancell: does this G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all carry on once g-s is closed?20:40
flocculantbecause it appears to here20:41
robert_ancellflocculant, the messages will keep going to stderr, but I'm not sure where they'd end up when you close g-s20:41
flocculantrobert_ancell: so I closed it - at that point I had the no pixbuf software-properties-drivers.desktop line - the rest has come since it was closed20:42
flocculantso it 'looks' like my output stopped where seb's did20:42
robert_ancellflocculant, ah, is it just slow in loading the app list?20:43
flocculantin the application itself?20:44
flocculanteverything appears to start up pretty quickly - the list in terminal is 1 or 2 seconds20:45
robert_ancellflocculant, in the plugins perhaps. They run in a separate thread to the GUI20:46
flocculantrobert_ancell: it has just added lines with gs_plugin now20:47
flocculantafter it appears to check for updates20:47
flocculantwhich it's not doing very well - cos it keeps missing the postfix one I've got hanging about20:48
robert_ancellflocculant, it only shows gui app updates20:49
robert_ancellflocculant, use update-manager for everything else20:50
flocculantrobert_ancell: right - so I tried this in a vm - which is going to be slower than the machine - I very very fleetingly see the categories - then they disappear and I see just what I see in the screenshot20:50
flocculantrobert_ancell: oh right - not what I expected to hear re updates20:51
flocculantrobert_ancell: so will this 'never' deal with non-gui updates?20:52
robert_ancellflocculant, yeah, that's the method upstream is using. We can expose all the other packages, but I'm not sure what the advantage in doing that is (makes it harder to use for normal users, and update-manager does that already)20:52
robert_ancellflocculant, it's an open question really20:52
robert_ancellflocculant, I guess ideally g-s would replace update-manager, but that's not going to happen for 16.0420:53
flocculantenough to be getting on with I am sure :p20:54
flocculantrobert_ancell: I've cut down the ram in a vm so it's slower and have a screencast of what I wasn't seeing if you're interested21:00
seb128robert_ancell, downgrading g-s doesn't fix it, so seems an issue with the new appstream-glib21:00
robert_ancellflocculant, yes please21:00
robert_ancellseb128, oh interesting21:01
flocculantrobert_ancell: any idea of where to upload it - or shall I just mail you it?21:01
robert_ancellflocculant, you can email - robert.ancell AT canonical.com21:01
robert_ancellximion, do you know of anything bad about the latest appstream?21:01
flocculantrobert_ancell: done - hope it helps :)21:02
flocculantobviously do what you will with it21:03
ximionrobert_ancell: no, it's a marvellous masterpiece and a dream in C and Docbook XML ;-)21:03
ximionwhy, did you notice any issues?21:04
robert_ancellximion, seb128 thought the update might be causing the issue where he doesn't see any apps21:04
robert_ancellflocculant, ah, that's just g-s showing the space for the "editors picks" and then removing it when it decides it doesn't have any apps to show21:05
ximionrobert_ancell: do you have a link? I just released AppStream 0.9.2 yesterday, and AFAIK it isn't even in Ubuntu yet21:05
flocculantrobert_ancell: oh ok - better safe than sorry21:05
robert_ancellximion, appstream-glib 0.5.10 actually21:05
robert_ancellflocculant, yes, thanks for that21:05
willcookeseb128, robert_ancell - sorry for the delay, I've read the conversation re csd.  Yes, design preference was to turn of csd where we can.21:06
seb128that's the upstream-glib 0.5.8 -> 0.5.10 update21:06
seb128willcooke, thanks21:07
ximionrobert_ancell: ah, that's a different thing - I don't follow that lib very closely, but I haven't seen any breaking changes which could cause metadata loss21:07
* ximion checks something21:07
robert_ancellit looked ok to me and ran here. But it seems I have a unicorn system.21:07
seb128ximion, robert_ancell, searching for a specic apps work but the main ui lists no categorie21:08
flocculantseb128: it finds apps you don't have installed - or just something you do?21:09
robert_ancellseb128, try "appstreamcli --details search galculator"21:09
seb128robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15247057/21:10
ximionseb128, robert_ancell: appstream-glib is busted, while appstream itself is fine21:10
ximionI just checked, it fails to load metadata correctly for some reason now :-/21:10
seb128it's a diff of the g-s logs21:11
seb128so yeah it doesn't load things anymore21:11
ximionlibappstream doesn't have that issue, so the obtaining, storing and normal reading of the data isn't broken, also GNOME Software is fine => asglib has an issue21:11
robert_ancellximion, ok, I'll start looking there21:12
seb128robert_ancell, ldd $(which gnome-software) | grep appstream-glib21:12
seb128robert_ancell, what does that give for you?21:12
robert_ancellseb128, libappstream-glib.so.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libappstream-glib.so.8 (0x00007efe0ff7f000)21:13
seb128robert_ancell, should be .1021:13
seb128how come you don't have the new version?21:13
flocculantlibappstream-glib.so.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libappstream-glib.so.8 (0x00007f3436920000) here21:13
seb128ups sorry21:14
seb128it's not an soname change21:14
robert_ancellseb128, yeah21:14
seb128hum, unsure why you don't get the issue :-/21:14
ximionrobert_ancell: if you have some time, it might be worth syncing appstream 0.9.2 from Debian - we need it for KDE, it fixes  LP: #1547428 and incorporates all patches Ubuntu previously applied21:14
ubot5Launchpad bug 1547428 in appstream (Ubuntu) "Fails to update packages in apport-retrace" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154742821:14
robert_ancellximion, Normally I've left that for you / Laney but if we should update I'm happy to do that21:15
ximionrobert_ancell>: can you check the contents of /var/lib/app-info, /var/cache/app-info and /usr/share/app-info?21:15
ximionis there YAML data in one of them?21:15
robert_ancellximion, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15247100/21:16
ximionrobert_ancell: I don't have upload permissions, I'm just a regular member - usually if I consider something useful for Ubuntu, I upload to Debian and nag people to sync it ;-)21:16
ximionworked well so far21:16
ximionrobert_ancell: sudo apt purge appstream-data21:17
ximionthen check if you can reproduce the issue21:17
robert_ancellximion, then reinstall?21:17
ximionno, appstream-data isn't needed anymore :)21:17
ximionwe have the cool archive-internal metadata now :)21:17
ximionif you can reproduce the bug, we also have a good starting point then to find its cause21:18
robert_ancellximion, seb128, bingo - now I see what you do21:18
seb128so you had that leftover21:19
robert_ancellyeah, I thought I'd removed everyting21:19
seb128well at least it explains why you had different behaviours21:19
robert_ancellBut I wasn't aware there was a package that was obsolete21:19
ximionproblem is that it contains ID collisions, and those are terrible, since there is no way how we can resolve them without loosing metadata or accidentally using old data21:19
ximionyou can run sudo appstreamcli refresh --verbose --force21:20
robert_ancellximion, that gets run on an apt-get update right?21:20
ximionthat will show you any issues with the metadata which we silently ignore ^^21:20
ximionrobert_ancell: yes, but without output being shown21:20
robert_ancellximion, ok21:21
ximion(mind the --verbose)21:21
ximionright now I get: http://paste.debian.net/410391/21:22
ximionwhich reminds me that I wanted to report bugs about those...21:22
willcookesigh, screaming babies call.  Night all21:58

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