[00:13] <furkan> is there any way i can get hold of an old udev package? over here there's a list of all the components involved with processing hotkeys, and udev is one of them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[00:13] <furkan> i was able to get the old unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center packages from launchpad, but i can't find any old versions of udev
[00:15] <sarnold> furkan: udev is built from the systemd source package these days
[00:16] <sarnold> furkan: there'll be links off of here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd
[00:16] <sarnold> furkan: maybe you can use apt-get install udev=versionnumber to install them -- the deps are a bit complicated there, you may need to also install other binary packages too
[00:21] <furkan> thanks sarnold i'll check it out
[00:22] <furkan> i'll see if i can find the culprit from among the packages listed on that wiki page.. otherwise i'll just file a general bug like you said
[00:24] <furkan> i just tried the apt-get method and it couldn't find the package
[00:24] <furkan> "E: Version '228-2ubuntu2' for 'udev' was not found"
[00:24] <furkan> i was basically trying to work backwards from my apt history log
[00:26] <furkan> i upgraded to 16.04 on Jan. 4th and i started noticing the issue around the 23rd, so it's not a very big window
[00:27] <sarnold> it's possible old versions have been removed from mirrors, or perhaps they never made it off dev machines, etc..
[00:27] <sarnold> the launchpad link a while back has packages that you can download and install but it'll be a far more manual process if you have to go that route
[00:28] <furkan> i wonder if the original ISO image for the first alpha release is still around somewhere?
[00:29] <furkan> if there was an ISO image (i had just upgraded with do-release-upgrade)
[00:29] <furkan> might be easiest to start from there and then work forwards
[00:29] <furkan> instead of trying to work backwards like i am
[00:31] <furkan> looks like those images have been removed....
[00:31] <furkan> cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/xenial/alpha-1
[01:26] <Fudge> commented on #1186662
[01:27] <Fudge> bug #1186662
[01:34] <Fudge> its looking as if its fixed
[01:45] <Fudge> nope still getting disconnected
[06:00] <hikiko> Hi
[06:31] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:43] <furkan> bonjour pitti
[06:43] <furkan> funny tjaalton just mentioned you in #ubuntu-x a few minutes ago :)
[06:44] <furkan> ok 20 minutes ago
[06:44] <furkan> i'm having an interesting issue with my keyboard, it was working fine w/ Ubuntu 15.10 but i started getting an issue after upgrading to 16.04
[06:45] <furkan> basically my volume buttons stop working after suspend/resume
[06:45] <furkan> and i get some errors in my xorg log http://pastebin.com/XNFwSp5S
[06:46] <furkan> basically one of the devices (/dev/input/event4) disappears after suspend/resume
[06:46] <furkan> keyboard still works but not the volume buttons
[06:47] <pitti> laptops often split the "regular" and "function" keys into two different physical devices, indeed
[06:47] <pitti> "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" and similar
[06:47] <furkan> in this case it's an MS wireless USB keyboard
[06:47] <furkan> but yeah, it is split up into a few devices
[06:48] <pitti> furkan: I think the next steps are to try a few different older kernels and find out which particular kernel version introduced that regression, then file a bug against linux
[06:49] <pitti> furkan: actually, start with trying to boot 16.04 with the 15.10 kernel
[06:49] <furkan> actually i should have mentioned, i tried doing that already
[06:49] <pitti> to decide between userspace and kekrnel
[06:49] <pitti> (most likely kernel, but one never knows)
[06:49] <furkan> but it still persists, so i was suspecting maybe udev?
[06:49] <pitti> nah
[06:50] <furkan> is there any other possibility then?
[06:50] <furkan> i also tried downgrading unity-settings-daemon but i'm guessing that couldn't be it
[06:50] <pitti> for userspace? yes, quite a few
[06:50] <pitti> you could poke some configuration into the device that it doesn't like, or what not
[06:50] <pitti> if 16.04 with 15.10 kernel works, it's most certainly a kernel regression
[06:51] <furkan> oh no it doesn't
[06:51] <furkan> that was one of the first things i tried
[06:51] <pitti> if it's userspace, bisection then needs to happen there, between udev rules (enabling power management perhaps?), xorg drivers, etc.
[06:51] <furkan> hmm
[06:52] <furkan> do you have any tips for doing that or should i just submit a bug report first?
[06:52] <furkan> because i tried downgrading udev and it was pretty painful
[06:52] <furkan> it broke a whole bunch of other packages like xorg
[06:52] <pitti> furkan: best to file a bug report, to collect/attach data to
[06:53] <furkan> ok will do that, any suggestions on what to file it against?
[06:53] <pitti> furkan: you can try to do a direct kernel suspend without userspace messing around -- echo mem | sudo tee /sys/power/state
[06:53] <furkan> hmm ok i'll do that after my next reboot
[06:53] <pitti> furkan: please file it against linux so far, as ubuntu-bug linux collects a lot of data and logs
[06:54] <furkan> ok great
[06:54] <pitti> furkan: please file it *after* the issue happens, so that the collected logs contain the suspend
[06:54] <furkan> good call lol
[08:00] <larsu> good morning :)
[08:39] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:46] <Trevinho> hey larsu :)
[08:47] <larsu> Trevinho: mornig! What's up?
[08:47] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark :)
[08:48] <Trevinho> larsu: allright, you? How is it going?
[08:49] <larsu> good, good. Had a relaxing two weeks of holiday including a long hike (from which my foot still hurts, but meh)
[08:49] <Trevinho> that's cool
[08:49] <Trevinho> not the hurting side, :)
[08:52] <larsu> hehe it's getting better
[08:52] <larsu> and it was totally worth it :)
[09:04] <willcooke> hey ho
[09:05] <pitti> hey larsu, hello willcooke!
[09:05]  * pitti waves to Sweet5hark and Trevinho too
[09:06] <Trevinho> hi pitti
[09:07] <hikiko> hi pitti willcooke larsu Trevinho
[09:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:08] <hikiko> hi seb128
[09:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[09:09] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[09:10] <larsu> bonjour seb128! :)
[09:10] <larsu> hi pitti
[09:10] <larsu> hi hikiko
[09:10] <pitti> heey larsu!
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: oui ! après quatre week-ends de voyager celui-ci était calme :)
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: et toi ?
[09:11] <seb128> un peu pareil, w.e reposant :-)
[09:12] <seb128> I played some tennis on saturday and relaxed/sauna-ed yesterday
[09:12] <seb128> willcooke, how was mwc?
[09:13] <willcooke> seb128, soooo tiring.  Showed a lot of people convergence, everyone loves it! :)
[09:14] <seb128> great
[09:14] <larsu> CONVERGENCE
[09:14] <seb128> nursing your feet after a week of standing up? ;-)
[09:15] <willcooke> seb128, ha, yeah - my feet still hurt :((
[09:15] <seb128> well done on winning $glass_trophy
[09:15] <seb128> whatever that is, the g+ post didn't give context and the photo was not good enough to read what's writen on it
[09:16] <willcooke> http://www.trustedreviews.com/bq-aquaris-m10-ubuntu-edition-review
[09:16] <davmor2> willcooke: so buying a standing desk today then, right?
[09:17] <willcooke> davmor2, on reflection, no.
[09:17] <davmor2> :D
[09:23] <Sweet5hark> larsu, pitti, hikiko, seb128, willcooke, Trevinho: 'd morning all.
[09:27] <hikiko> hahaha
[09:27] <hikiko> hi Sweet5hark
[09:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, are you going to have another libreoffice xenial upload to do this week? I'm asking because we are going to need at least a no change rebuild for the new poppler soname, but nicer to not do more uploads that needed
[10:00] <willcooke> hikiko, what do you think about backporting this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1442728
[10:00] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[10:00] <willcooke> seems harmless to me
[10:01] <seb128> +1, did we get any confirmation/feedback on whether it's working as expected?
[10:01] <willcooke> seb128, all the feedback I gathered boils down to either "It was fine before, and it's still fine" or, more importantly, "Yay. Fixed"
[10:01] <willcooke> got about 10 responses to calls for testing
[10:02] <seb128> let's SRU then ;-)
[10:02] <willcooke> bosh!
[10:03] <hikiko> willcooke, +1
[10:03] <willcooke> hikiko, added to backlog: https://trello.com/c/eWVGsIhJ
[10:19] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, could you look at bug #1551028 ? it claims to be a trusty .4 new issue
[10:44] <seb128> Sweet5hark, saw my question earlier?
[10:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hmm, nope I guess. rebooted in the morning, lost the backlog.
[10:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, are you going to have another libreoffice xenial upload to do this week? I'm asking because we are going to need at least a no change rebuild for the new poppler soname, but nicer to not do more uploads that needed
[10:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ^ :-)
[10:47] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ah, k. I already have some things in the pipe for libreoffice. when do you think you will do the poppler thing?
[10:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I uploaded it on friday, so things are in proposed until we do the necessary rebuilds
[10:48] <seb128> no hurry, but it's not this week we can probably do a no change rebuild and do the other changes alter
[10:48] <seb128> later
[10:48] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  will try to bundle up what I have then, hope to have that ready by the evening.
[10:49] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[12:01] <desrt> "Good morning."
[12:06] <tjaalton> seb128: alright
[12:22] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:22] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[12:27] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1551208
[12:29] <seb128> no center/symetric shape on this one, less likely to disturbe people ;-)
[12:32] <willcooke> :)
[12:38] <davmor2> seb128, willcooke: Looks like tomorrow will be desktop testing day \o/
[12:39] <seb128> great!
[12:47] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[13:02] <andyrock> morning
[13:04] <seb128> hey andyrock
[13:09] <qengho> 'morning, y'all.
[13:09] <seb128> hey qengho
[13:14] <desrt> hihi qengho
[13:14] <desrt> and andyrock
[13:21] <tjaalton> where did the old monospace font go?
[13:21] <tjaalton> "monospace regular" is much wider
[13:25]  * Sweet5hark should have adapted his chinstrap ssh foo, it seems
[13:27] <ogra_> i thought thats vpn only since a while now
[13:32] <flocculant> good afternoon peeps - how does one get gnome-software to recognise what's available in the repos?
[13:33] <flocculant> (in something other than Ubuntu ... )
[13:45] <flocculant> nvm - see the bug now
[14:22] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: whats the vpn entry point, now that chinstraps gone?
[14:22] <ogra_> is it actually gone ?
[14:23] <ogra_> i thought it just doent act as ssh proxy
[14:23] <ogra_> (it is ages ago that i did set up my VPN stuff)
[14:26] <mhall119> Laney: ping
[14:26] <willcooke> mhall119, he's on hols
[14:26] <mhall119> willcooke: ah, who else would know about the AppStream needs for Gnome Software Center?
[14:27] <willcooke> mhall119, back tomorrow
[14:27] <willcooke> mhall119, certainly a laney question
[14:27] <mhall119> ok, will wait for tomorrow then, thanks
[14:38] <davmor2> willcooke: wait what he leaves and you let him???? ;)
[14:38] <willcooke> davmor2, he mentioned something about legal rights
[14:38] <willcooke> I dunno, I wasn't really listening
[14:39] <davmor2> willcooke: pffff :D
[15:08] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/ has an update, if that still helps.
[15:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the most relevant change is that its 5.1.1~rc2 instead of 5.1.0 (rc2 will most likely be final, but is quite fresh)
[15:09] <seb128> Sweet5hark, it does, thanks
[15:10] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yw
[15:11] <seb128> Sweet5hark, looks like I need to deal with chinstrap being deprecated as well ;-)
[16:02] <seb128> bregma, just as a fyi I'm starting to review libertine-scope, I didn't forget you ;-)
[16:02]  * bregma was starting to feel sad and lonely
[16:04] <seb128> good that I remembered then :-)
[16:04] <seb128> looking good so far
[16:04] <seb128> it feels a bit weird having one file LGPL for which one we own the code, we could have put it under the GPL3 like everything else no?
[16:14] <bregma> seb, it's a copy of the broken header supplied in the SDK except fixed, it will disappear from the libertine-scope source when the associated bug gets fixed upstream in the SDK
[16:14] <seb128> k
[19:41] <robert_ancell> willcooke, back to normal?
[19:44] <willcooke> robert_ancell, hey!
[19:47] <robert_ancell> flocculant, can you run "$ G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all gnome-software" from the command line and paste me the output?
[19:48] <flocculant> robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15246458/
[19:49] <robert_ancell> flocculant, that was all?
[19:49] <robert_ancell> The output shows the plugins were initialized, then immediately destroyes
[19:49] <robert_ancell> destroyed
[19:50] <flocculant> yep - that was all I got
[19:51] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[19:51] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[19:51] <seb128> robert_ancell, you don't get the "list only installed softwares" issues?
[19:51] <robert_ancell> seb128, I did before, I think due to a change I'd made. But not now
[19:51] <seb128> weird
[19:51] <seb128> everybody else seems to get it
[19:52] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'll update from the archive and check I don't have a weird version installed
[19:52] <seb128> yeah
[19:52] <seb128> try on a daily iso maybe?
[19:52] <seb128> you might have a cache or a local dir or something
[19:52] <seb128> did you try in a guest session?
[19:53] <robert_ancell> seb128, btw, you know the review patches are in GNOME git right? You can just commit to wip/rancell/reviews if you have changes
[19:56] <robert_ancell> seb128, works in guest, works after update. Perhaps my appdata is special..
[19:59] <seb128> weird
[20:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, i didn't know, but I don't know much about the g-s code so far, I submitted a patch for a soup warning upstream and fixed a packaging issue ... btw I was wondering when I did the upload, do you have a packaging vcs?
[20:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, no packaging vcs, I was just copying in updated packages from git
[20:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, happy to make a packaging branch
[20:01] <seb128> unsure if we need one
[20:01] <seb128> I just didn't want my potfile update to be reverted on next upload ;-)
[20:01]  * seb128 checks if that was the case
[20:02] <seb128> seems not, good :-)
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw do you think we should turn off csd?
[20:06] <robert_ancell> seb128, I haven't noticed any issues with it, are there some?
[20:06] <seb128> what designed pointed out when we previously asked about it/recommended to turn that off for the default set in the LTS
[20:07] <seb128> mostly the duplicate decorations when maximized
[20:07] <seb128> and the panel/headerbar looking weird next to each others
[20:08] <seb128> like the headerbar is not flat under the panel
[20:08] <seb128> also lack of wm actions to e.g move to another workspace but I think that's a detail
[20:08] <seb128> but if nothing else using csd in the default install we should probably do it for the sake of consistency
[20:08] <seb128> willcooke, ^ opinion?
[20:09] <seb128> would looke better if Trevinho was landing proper csd support in unity though ;-)
[20:11] <willcooke> seb128, Trevinho said he would be landing something v. soon
[20:13] <willcooke> he thought he would have a gtk patch tonight
[20:19] <flocculant> robert_ancell: just so you know - I'm seeing those on a vanilla updated xubuntu as well as whatever you'd call what I've ended up with locally
[20:20] <robert_ancell> flocculant, can you run "appstreamcli search galculator"
[20:21] <flocculant> yup - that returns with info
[20:21] <seb128> willcooke, still, even if those are displayed with normal corners, better to have normal decorations for xenial no?
[20:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, also g-s doesn't list evince there, it says it's duplicate ... do you get the issue as well?
[20:22] <seb128> I was unsure if that was the same issue
[20:22] <seb128> Laney said that downgrading g-s was making non-installed softwares and evince listed for him
[20:22] <robert_ancell> flocculant, :/
[20:23] <seb128> so the issue was something in g-s
[20:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, I did the upload after he said that
[20:23] <robert_ancell> what version do you have?
[20:23] <seb128> 3.19.91~git20160225.dbf5b5d-0ubuntu3
[20:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, that's old
[20:24] <willcooke> seb128, normal?
[20:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, you should have 3.19.91~git20160229.ceb6b9d-0ubuntu1
[20:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, that just migrated 6 hours ago ... let me upgrade
[20:24] <seb128> willcooke, normal being compiz decoration, not gtk ones
[20:24] <robert_ancell> flocculant, which version do you have?
[20:25] <flocculant> robert_ancell: the newest one ceb6b9d
[20:27] <robert_ancell> attente, you got spare cycles? Want to look at some g-s bugs?
[20:27] <seb128> robert_ancell, k, the new one lists evince, but it doesn't list any category now
[20:28] <attente> robert_ancell: sure
[20:28] <robert_ancell> seb128, which category for example?
[20:29] <robert_ancell> attente, anything on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software catch your eye?
[20:29] <robert_ancell> attente, bug 1549502 might be a good start
[20:29] <flocculant> seb128: like this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244058077/gs.png but with evince instead
[20:29] <seb128> robert_ancell,  like ^
[20:29] <attente> robert_ancell: isn't that because g-s runs as a daemon?
[20:30] <robert_ancell> attente, also bug 1549508
[20:30] <robert_ancell> attente, yes, but we probably don't need/want that. Or we need to make Unity more aware - needs investigation
[20:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, before today's update I had all the categories button, they just listed only installed softwares
[20:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, you don't see any categories at all on the home page?
[20:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, like that screenshot
[20:31] <seb128> the featured and editor pick
[20:31] <seb128> and empty bellow
[20:31] <robert_ancell> seb128, if you can do the G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all as flocculant did and paste the result
[20:31] <flocculant> seb128: I was seeing the same as you previous to this update
[20:31] <attente> robert_ancell: ok, i'll take a look at both of those
[20:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15246791/
[20:33] <seb128> it seems to "no AppStream match for {pkgname}" for everything
[20:33] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, your log has got further than flocculant
[20:33] <flocculant> I assume that's what you expected from me then
[20:33] <willcooke> seb128, +1 for consistency re csd.
[20:33] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yeah
[20:34] <seb128> flocculant, you need to make sure to stop the active instance even if it stays as  a service
[20:34] <robert_ancell> seb128, so that suggests to me you appstream data is not working. Can you try "appstreamcli search galculator"
[20:34] <seb128> $ appstreamcli search galculator
[20:34] <seb128> Identifier: galculator.desktop [desktop]
[20:34] <seb128> Name: Galculator
[20:34] <seb128> Summary: Effectuer des calculs simples et scientifiques
[20:34] <seb128> Package: galculator
[20:34] <seb128> Homepage: http://galculator.sf.net
[20:34] <seb128> Icon: galculator_galculator.png
[20:34] <flocculant> seb128: ack - trying that
[20:35] <flocculant> robert_ancell: ok - so stopping it and running the debug looks much more like seb128's
[20:35] <robert_ancell> flocculant, oh, it was probably connecting to an existing process
[20:35] <flocculant> right
[20:36] <flocculant> robert_ancell: so that's good - I don't have a different issue :)
[20:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah lot of the appstream match misses are because these are libraries. Was thinking of just filtering out everything in "libs" from apt to reduce these
[20:36] <robert_ancell> There *shouldn't* be any apps in the libs category right?
[20:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, is there more log? It truncates
[20:40] <flocculant> robert_ancell: does this G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all carry on once g-s is closed?
[20:41] <flocculant> because it appears to here
[20:41] <robert_ancell> flocculant, the messages will keep going to stderr, but I'm not sure where they'd end up when you close g-s
[20:42] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15246848/
[20:42] <flocculant> robert_ancell: so I closed it - at that point I had the no pixbuf software-properties-drivers.desktop line - the rest has come since it was closed
[20:42] <flocculant> so it 'looks' like my output stopped where seb's did
[20:43] <robert_ancell> flocculant, ah, is it just slow in loading the app list?
[20:44] <flocculant> in the application itself?
[20:45] <flocculant> everything appears to start up pretty quickly - the list in terminal is 1 or 2 seconds
[20:46] <robert_ancell> flocculant, in the plugins perhaps. They run in a separate thread to the GUI
[20:47] <flocculant> robert_ancell: it has just added lines with gs_plugin now
[20:47] <flocculant> after it appears to check for updates
[20:48] <flocculant> which it's not doing very well - cos it keeps missing the postfix one I've got hanging about
[20:49] <robert_ancell> flocculant, it only shows gui app updates
[20:50] <robert_ancell> flocculant, use update-manager for everything else
[20:50] <flocculant> robert_ancell: right - so I tried this in a vm - which is going to be slower than the machine - I very very fleetingly see the categories - then they disappear and I see just what I see in the screenshot
[20:51] <flocculant> robert_ancell: oh right - not what I expected to hear re updates
[20:52] <flocculant> robert_ancell: so will this 'never' deal with non-gui updates?
[20:52] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yeah, that's the method upstream is using. We can expose all the other packages, but I'm not sure what the advantage in doing that is (makes it harder to use for normal users, and update-manager does that already)
[20:52] <flocculant> ack
[20:52] <robert_ancell> flocculant, it's an open question really
[20:52] <flocculant> :)
[20:53] <robert_ancell> flocculant, I guess ideally g-s would replace update-manager, but that's not going to happen for 16.04
[20:53] <flocculant> :)
[20:54] <flocculant> enough to be getting on with I am sure :p
[21:00] <flocculant> robert_ancell: I've cut down the ram in a vm so it's slower and have a screencast of what I wasn't seeing if you're interested
[21:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, downgrading g-s doesn't fix it, so seems an issue with the new appstream-glib
[21:00] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yes please
[21:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh interesting
[21:01] <flocculant> robert_ancell: any idea of where to upload it - or shall I just mail you it?
[21:01] <robert_ancell> flocculant, you can email - robert.ancell AT canonical.com
[21:01] <robert_ancell> ximion, do you know of anything bad about the latest appstream?
[21:02] <flocculant> robert_ancell: done - hope it helps :)
[21:03] <flocculant> obviously do what you will with it
[21:03] <ximion> robert_ancell: no, it's a marvellous masterpiece and a dream in C and Docbook XML ;-)
[21:04] <ximion> why, did you notice any issues?
[21:04] <robert_ancell> ximion, seb128 thought the update might be causing the issue where he doesn't see any apps
[21:05] <robert_ancell> flocculant, ah, that's just g-s showing the space for the "editors picks" and then removing it when it decides it doesn't have any apps to show
[21:05] <ximion> robert_ancell: do you have a link? I just released AppStream 0.9.2 yesterday, and AFAIK it isn't even in Ubuntu yet
[21:05] <flocculant> robert_ancell: oh ok - better safe than sorry
[21:05] <robert_ancell> ximion, appstream-glib 0.5.10 actually
[21:05] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yes, thanks for that
[21:06] <willcooke> seb128, robert_ancell - sorry for the delay, I've read the conversation re csd.  Yes, design preference was to turn of csd where we can.
[21:06] <seb128> that's the upstream-glib 0.5.8 -> 0.5.10 update
[21:07] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[21:07] <ximion> robert_ancell: ah, that's a different thing - I don't follow that lib very closely, but I haven't seen any breaking changes which could cause metadata loss
[21:07]  * ximion checks something
[21:07] <robert_ancell> it looked ok to me and ran here. But it seems I have a unicorn system.
[21:08] <seb128> ximion, robert_ancell, searching for a specic apps work but the main ui lists no categorie
[21:09] <flocculant> seb128: it finds apps you don't have installed - or just something you do?
[21:09] <robert_ancell> seb128, try "appstreamcli --details search galculator"
[21:10] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15247057/
[21:10] <ximion> seb128, robert_ancell: appstream-glib is busted, while appstream itself is fine
[21:10] <ximion> I just checked, it fails to load metadata correctly for some reason now :-/
[21:11] <seb128> -load
[21:11] <seb128> -app-info{/var/lib/app-info/yaml/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_restricted_dep11_Components-i386.yml.gz}
[21:11] <seb128> -store-from-file
[21:11] <seb128> -menu-spec-categories(gs_plugin_add_categories)
[21:11] <seb128> it's a diff of the g-s logs
[21:11] <seb128> so yeah it doesn't load things anymore
[21:11] <ximion> libappstream doesn't have that issue, so the obtaining, storing and normal reading of the data isn't broken, also GNOME Software is fine => asglib has an issue
[21:11] <ximion> meh
[21:12] <robert_ancell> ximion, ok, I'll start looking there
[21:12] <seb128> robert_ancell, ldd $(which gnome-software) | grep appstream-glib
[21:12] <seb128> robert_ancell, what does that give for you?
[21:13] <robert_ancell> seb128, 	libappstream-glib.so.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libappstream-glib.so.8 (0x00007efe0ff7f000)
[21:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, should be .10
[21:13] <seb128> how come you don't have the new version?
[21:13] <flocculant> libappstream-glib.so.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libappstream-glib.so.8 (0x00007f3436920000) here
[21:14] <seb128> ups sorry
[21:14] <seb128> it's not an soname change
[21:14] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah
[21:14] <seb128> hum, unsure why you don't get the issue :-/
[21:14] <ximion> robert_ancell: if you have some time, it might be worth syncing appstream 0.9.2 from Debian - we need it for KDE, it fixes  LP: #1547428 and incorporates all patches Ubuntu previously applied
[21:15] <robert_ancell> ximion, Normally I've left that for you / Laney but if we should update I'm happy to do that
[21:15] <ximion> robert_ancell>: can you check the contents of /var/lib/app-info, /var/cache/app-info and /usr/share/app-info?
[21:15] <ximion> is there YAML data in one of them?
[21:16] <robert_ancell> ximion, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15247100/
[21:16] <ximion> robert_ancell: I don't have upload permissions, I'm just a regular member - usually if I consider something useful for Ubuntu, I upload to Debian and nag people to sync it ;-)
[21:16] <ximion> worked well so far
[21:17] <ximion> robert_ancell: sudo apt purge appstream-data
[21:17] <ximion> then check if you can reproduce the issue
[21:17] <robert_ancell> ximion, then reinstall?
[21:17] <ximion> no, appstream-data isn't needed anymore :)
[21:17] <ximion> we have the cool archive-internal metadata now :)
[21:18] <ximion> if you can reproduce the bug, we also have a good starting point then to find its cause
[21:18] <robert_ancell> ximion, seb128, bingo - now I see what you do
[21:19] <seb128> doh
[21:19] <seb128> so you had that leftover
[21:19] <robert_ancell> yeah, I thought I'd removed everyting
[21:19] <seb128> well at least it explains why you had different behaviours
[21:19] <robert_ancell> But I wasn't aware there was a package that was obsolete
[21:19] <ximion> problem is that it contains ID collisions, and those are terrible, since there is no way how we can resolve them without loosing metadata or accidentally using old data
[21:20] <ximion> you can run sudo appstreamcli refresh --verbose --force
[21:20] <robert_ancell> ximion, that gets run on an apt-get update right?
[21:20] <ximion> that will show you any issues with the metadata which we silently ignore ^^
[21:20] <ximion> robert_ancell: yes, but without output being shown
[21:21] <robert_ancell> ximion, ok
[21:21] <ximion> (mind the --verbose)
[21:22] <ximion> right now I get: http://paste.debian.net/410391/
[21:22] <ximion> which reminds me that I wanted to report bugs about those...
[21:58] <willcooke> sigh, screaming babies call.  Night all