[07:58] <Guest56535> morning all
[07:58] <MooDoo> or morning all even
[08:06] <zmoylan-pi> monday, and sodding rain...  that is all...
[08:09] <MooDoo> that's a good day then :)
[08:09] <zmoylan-pi> though there is the new rasp pi 3 for sale... so we got that going for us...
[08:46] <\sv> morning my loveable penguins
[08:47] <zmoylan-pi> *sqwak*
[08:47] <\sv> do penguins squark? :P
[08:48] <\sv> im trying to set up google authenticator to auth into my ubuntu 15.10 laptop - as it's portable i'd like to have added security
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> get a pink laptop and put my little pony sticks all over it.... no one will ever touch it... :-)
[08:51] <MooDoo> and what's wrong with MLP, Rainbow Dash is my fave :D
[09:02] <popey> morning
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <bashrc_> morning
[09:18] <\sv> how toenable text mode so it auto gui's but then i have the OPTION of text in the case i break something?
[09:19] <popey> wat?
[09:19] <foobarry> ctrl-alt-f1
[09:19] <foobarry> will give you text console
[09:19] <foobarry> ctrl-alt-f7 will get you back
[09:19] <\sv> foobarry, used to. no longer does it in 15.10
[09:19] <foobarry> ctrl-alt-f2?
[09:19] <\sv> none of them
[09:20] <foobarry> wow
[09:20]  * foobarry is an LTS guy
[09:20] <\sv> foobarry, familier with pam?
[09:22] <popey> uh
[09:22] <popey> they work here
[09:22] <popey> so not sure why they don't work for you
[09:22] <\sv> popey, noooo pam file
[09:23] <popey> I don't know what you're saying. Use more words.
[09:24] <\sv> lines 29 and 30 of the code i sent you; do they look right?
[09:27] <popey> i have no idea
[09:28] <SuperMatt> sounds to me like someone needs to reinstall
[09:28] <\sv> SuperMatt,  no. im trying to make it more secure
[09:28] <foobarry> have you been fiddling \sv
[09:28] <foobarry> i think you have!
[10:05] <awilkins> Good morning, and happy "Bang F5 on the HTC Website Until Your Finger Gets a Blister Day"  "
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> you can hit f5 with your nose...
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:16] <sebsebseb> hi
[10:38] <popey> hi
[10:40] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[10:42] <sebsebseb> yay reccurding paypal payments, when don't really want it to happen
[10:43] <sebsebseb> at least I have figured out how to properly cancale those now, but after woulds
[10:53] <brobostigon> hi popey and MooDoo
[10:55] <MooDoo> howdy :D
[11:26] <diddledan> everyone!!! PI3!!!!
[11:26] <MooDoo> just been reading about them :D
[11:27] <diddledan> sneaky being their birthday
[11:27] <diddledan> I thought something might be up with their blog post over the weekend that had a celebration video for their birthday early purportedly to not get swamped with celebration posts today
[11:28] <diddledan> omg. it's got wifi
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> but still only 1gb of ram
[11:29] <popey> Yeah, there were rumours for the last week or so
[11:29] <diddledan> aye
[11:29] <popey> I ordered mine as soon as I saw a tweet with a url in it
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> i suppose they have to hold something back for + version
[11:29] <popey> got two arriving tomorrow
[11:29] <diddledan> \o/
[11:30] <MooDoo> bluetooth as well diddledan
[11:31] <diddledan> the pi in general is fast becoming a general-purpose PC rather than as MS would have you believe an IoT thing
[11:32] <Myrtti> bit too little ram still to finally haul my sister's Dell GX620 into the electric waste
[11:32] <Myrtti> I had high hopes
[11:32] <diddledan> though I do think that MS' Win10IoT is a nice little OS for single-purpose devices
[11:34] <diddledan> I'd like for snappy to be an equivalent thing in linuxland - the main thing I like about the Win10 is that it drives the display with a single full-screen app that can't be closed by the end-user without connecting from another device
[11:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:35] <diddledan> allo bigcalm
[11:35] <diddledan> bigcalm, he often comes-over with a violent dose of large-tranquil feelings :-p
[11:35] <bigcalm> ?
[11:36] <bigcalm> Oh
[11:36] <diddledan> bigcalm, being silly
[11:36] <bigcalm> Or factual
[11:36] <diddledan> lol
[11:36] <bigcalm> I have tea, I'm happy
[11:36] <diddledan> \o/
[11:36] <diddledan> I have cola
[11:36] <diddledan> I might have to wander across and get some milk so I can tea
[11:37] <diddledan> to the shop*
[11:39] <bigcalm> Is there an app that will kill (and hopefully report) if a process is taking 100% CPU for more than X minutes? I have to power cycle one of my Digital Ocean servers every few days because something gets its knickers in a twist and hogs the CPU forever more
[11:39] <diddledan> HAH! the pi is now the UK's all-time best-selling computer!
[11:39] <diddledan> hmm, not sure
[11:39] <diddledan> you'd think there'd be some kind of watchdog-type thing available _somewhere_
[11:41] <diddledan> I wonder what's meant by custom-hardened in this statement: a custom-hardened 1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A53
[11:41] <diddledan> that's from eben upton on the piblog
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> a flash of light won't make it crash? :-)
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.zdnet.com/article/raspberry-pi-2-power-crashes-when-exposed-to-xenon-flash/#!
[11:43] <diddledan> lol. pigate!
[11:43] <diddledan> or was it flashgate?
[11:43] <MooDoo> diddledan: it's about sales, only the cpc amstrad has sold more units, although I don't think that will last long
[11:44] <sebsebseb> the Rassbery Pi can also run RISC OS, which is interesting
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> nah flashgate is been held for the conservative conference party... :-P
[11:44] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi loves that thar riscos
[11:44] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi is antiquated :-p
[11:44] <diddledan> he still uses a nokia, dun'thcaknow
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> AND a rasp pi... b
[11:45] <diddledan> not even a b+
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> nope
[11:45]  * diddledan sighs
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> mind usng a dumbphone is now fashionable so i'll have to find my semaphore flags...
[11:47] <diddledan> hmm, there's mention that "Phil Elwell developed the wireless LAN and Bluetooth software" <-- does that mean the firmware or have they got a simplified stack for folk to get-to-grips with programming it?
[11:50] <diddledan> it's nice to see the compute module is being updated
[11:51] <diddledan> though I wonder how many of those are actually being sold
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder how sales of pi's and their ilk are harming pc sales when they're so cheap
[11:54] <diddledan> aye.
[11:54] <sebsebseb> I think only technical enough people generally buy Rassbery Pi's,  and education a bit here and there
[11:54] <sebsebseb> and maybe some technical busineses to
[11:54] <diddledan> I'm hoping for a large memory upgrade in the next pi release :-)
[11:54] <sebsebseb> general average consumer etc, nope
[11:54] <sebsebseb> joe and jane average public, no
[11:54] <sebsebseb> so Rassbery Pi's in general have probably had little effect on desktop PC's
[11:55] <sebsebseb> and lap tops
[11:55] <popey> they aren't design to
[11:55] <popey> *designed
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> the pi3 if it had 2gb of ram would have been a great little lite desktop
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> 1gb is too little for web browsing these days
[11:57] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's fine for browsing just use dillo or w3m :D
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> i tried midori and qupzilla as well as those but none of them quite did all i wanted browser wise
[11:59] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: just use emacs and be done :D
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> wget all my pages...
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> i did think about doing that... :-)
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> but you're starting to get a bit too matrixy at that point... :-D
[12:02] <diddledan> did I see recently someone had created a linux distro that was essentially emacs directly ontop of the kernel?
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> were is emacsos for phones??
[12:03] <MooDoo> you just need terminator, mutt, w3m and moc, then you don't need a gui :D
[12:03] <diddledan> err. I do not want a terminator!
[12:03] <diddledan> unless it is bent to my will and not a nefarious AI
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think you get a choice in having a terminator... that's not how that franchise worked...
[12:03] <popey> I demonstrated Ubuntu Phone at my local LUG two years ago. One guy said "Can it run emacs?" "I won't buy it if it doesn't run Emacs!"
[12:04] <moreati> A silly thought experiment: If Linux/RPi had a very distinctive crash screen ala BSOD, would it _help_ awareness/adoption or hurt it?
[12:04] <diddledan> popey, did he have an android? was that running emacs?
[12:04] <popey> no
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> there is emacs for android
[12:04] <popey> he had a dumbphone
[12:04] <diddledan> and was that dumbphone running emacs?
[12:04] <moreati> Think brand awareness and multidecade trends
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> proper dumbphone :-)
[12:04] <popey> lunchtime
[12:04] <diddledan> if not, then I fail to see his argument
[12:05] <popey> i predict an omlette!
[12:05] <MooDoo> not a riot?
[12:05] <popey> indeed
[12:05] <popey> sung to that tune
[12:05] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> at least a dumbphone will crack and egg and not get damaged :-)
[12:05] <diddledan> I have cracked many eggs and not got damaged :-p
[12:06] <diddledan> I did get damaged when I cracked a wall though. my poor noggin.
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> was the wall ok?
[12:07] <diddledan> I suspect sandisk are having trouble with sales of their SSD lines. they keep being offered at reduced rates.
[12:08] <diddledan> today only at maplin AND dabs they're being sold at approx £100 for the 480GB
[12:09] <diddledan> that's "today-only" and not "today, only at"
[12:09]  * zmoylan-pi spots 10,000 mah power bank been sold this thursday at lidl for €18
[12:09] <diddledan> as to the wall, I think I dented it's feelings a little but it stood firm
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder how long it would power a rasp pi for...
[12:10] <diddledan> good question
[12:11] <diddledan> 10Amp-hours @ consumption of ~500miliamp consumption = ~20 hours. at 1amp consumption (more likely than 500ma) it'll be ~10 hours
[12:13] <diddledan> and at 2amp consumption (multiple USB's attached) it'll be ~5 hours. at max rated 2.5amp it'll be ~4 hours
[12:13] <diddledan> (that max rating I used the recommended PSU rating for the PI3)
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> thanks, i must learn to breakdown power usage rates/capacities
[12:15] <diddledan> 10,000 miliamphours means 1miliamp for 10,000 hours or 10,000amps for 1 hour - then sliding scale between, e.g. 5amps (5000miliamps) for 2 hours
[12:15] <diddledan> 10,000miliamps, NOT 10,000AMPS!!!
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> that makes sense...
[12:17] <diddledan> 10,000 amps would be... *calculates* 3.6seconds
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> for 10,000 amps we'd need a delorean and a lightning conductor...
[12:18] <diddledan> plus an exploding battery :-p
[12:18] <diddledan> 3.6seconds AND a mini explosion
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> as long as it leaves streaks of fire i'll be happy :-)
[12:18] <diddledan> more likely streaks of another kind (in your underwear)
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you buy stripy underwear!! pffft... amateur...
[12:19] <diddledan> and burnt eyebrows AND a few expletives
[12:26] <diddledan> wtf? someone sent an email to the polymer (a google project) mailing list which appears to be a direct rip from education materials with no explanation: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/polymer-dev/n5CRhEwxQ2M/G5GmIUeoEwAJ
[12:27] <diddledan> are they using education material as an advertisement of what they're trying to sell? I just don't get it at all.
[12:28] <TwistedLucidity> Looks like spam to sell their courses
[12:29] <TwistedLucidity> Perhaps a couple are loss-leaders? Either way, I never trust companies who spam.
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> not even hornell who make spam?
[12:31] <TwistedLucidity> I don't think I have eaten "specially processed artifical meat" since I was about 6.
[12:31] <TwistedLucidity> (I know it's no an acronym, and why it's actually called 'spam' the above is a mere, pathetic, jest)
[12:32] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no I bet there is horse in it
[12:33] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Horse is tasty
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> has more of a kick...
[12:34] <diddledan> my nephew used to pronounce it as though the s and e were transposed
[12:34] <TwistedLucidity> That could be amusing/problematic
[12:34] <diddledan> which led to endless giggles from adults when he said he wanted to go to see the horse
[12:57] <MooDoo> ow am ya davmor2
[12:58] <davmor2> Busy as hell and going for Lunch other than that grand, how am yow MooDoo
[13:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm doing ok thanks
[13:06] <awilkins> Pi 3!
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> there goes a lot of geeks pocket money... :-)
[13:21] <popey> RS have sold another 1000 since I last looked at ~12:00
[13:35] <foobarry> i still don't own any Rpi
[13:36] <foobarry> maybe when my son is older and is coding
[13:41] <diddledan> apparently Scott Kelly of the Year in Space drank 193 gallons of sweat and urine
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> dead handy for tiny always on device at home doing your bidding
[13:41] <diddledan> ref: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/25/science/scott-kelly-astronaut-year-in-space-numbers.html
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> did they start drinking their urine _before_ the water ran out? :-P
[13:43] <foobarry> blackadder2
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> redberad rum, long on beard, short on legs...
[13:47] <diddledan> if anyone has a spare 2grand handy they can buy a hololens developer kit
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> i could corner the dumbphone supply with that kind of money!!
[13:47] <diddledan> https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-hololens/en-us/development-edition
[13:48] <diddledan> oh, you gotta live in us or canadia
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> if you can call it living... no decent crisps... :-)
[13:49] <diddledan> nor chocolate
[13:49] <diddledan> I wonder how IRC could be reimagined for holocomputing
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> matrix with channels text super imposed on channels text so that you can focus deeper to the next channel
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> done with hand gestures of course so that you can slap random passers by :-)
[13:53] <diddledan> lol
[13:53] <diddledan> so the slap action is depicted by an avatar bent-over that you literally slap on the bum
[13:54] <diddledan> you could have a meter of how strongly you slap them, too
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> also punch and tickle would be gesturs so a reboot is punch, slap and tickle...
[13:55] <diddledan> lol
[13:55] <MooDoo> you bloomin idiots ;)
[13:55] <diddledan> us? nevar
[13:56]  * zmoylan-pi can't wait so next annoying jerk can get their lights punched out and my apology is 'sorry thought i was in vr...'
[13:56] <diddledan> I completely resemble that remark!
[13:56] <diddledan> no, wait, resent!
[14:43] <MooDoo> :)
[14:47] <foobarry> anyone doing linux desktop virtualisation for remote users?
[14:48] <foobarry> like maybe a class of 30 ppl
[17:14] <diddledan> http://arstechnica.co.uk/apple/2016/02/os-x-blacklist-accidentally-disables-ethernet-in-os-x-10-11/
[17:14] <diddledan> and hilarity ensued
[17:16] <popey> golly
[17:30] <awilkins> But surely they can just download the update.....    ;-)
[17:31] <diddledan> that's actually the truth
[17:31] <diddledan> that's how they fix it
[17:32] <diddledan> you need to run `sudo softwareupdate --background`
[17:34] <diddledan> the alternative seems to be to reboot in safe/recovery and run `rm -rf “/Volumes/Macintosh HD/System/Library/Extensions/AppleKextExcludeList.kext”`
[17:36] <diddledan> they do list reinstalling OS X as a viable option, which IMO isn't
[20:37] <diddledan> o_O http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/morgan-freeman-waze-gps-navigator-1.3462432
[21:15] <mapps> hi all
[21:18] <mapps> il start watching 11/22/63 next, meant to be v good:)