[13:24] <jcastro> jrwren: I use bcache, bcachefs is something else
[13:38] <jrwren> ah, I see.
[13:39] <jrwren> nodoubleg: I'll try 6k files in a dir on ssd and see what the numbers are like.
[15:01] <jcastro> rick_h__: this phone is awesome, why did you get rid of it?
[15:01] <rick_h__> jcastro: I found I kept using the N6 I bought
[15:01] <rick_h__> jcastro: not sure what it was, but I just found I kept reaching for hte 6
[15:01] <jcastro> oh, so you just preferred the bigger screen
[15:01] <jcastro> I got one for myself just now too
[15:01] <rick_h__> jcastro: screen was a little nicer, battery life seemed a hair better
[15:02] <jcastro> rick_h__: I am in the middle of switching to project fi
[15:02] <rick_h__> jcastro: I actually went back to the motox pure the other day
[15:02] <rick_h__> since I didn't get one because of the size, but if I'm running a N6, might as well try
[15:05] <jrwren> project fi scares me. more ways for google to track my every move.
[15:05] <jcastro> shrug
[16:06] <cmaloney> Project Fi scares me: one more thing for Google to kill off. :)
[16:07] <rick_h__> yea, I've gotten to rely so much on google voice that I'm nervous
[16:07] <cmaloney> But then again, nothing is permanent
[16:07] <cmaloney> rick_h__: same
[16:07] <cmaloney> if they kill GVoice I'm screwed
[16:07] <cmaloney> I'll have to port that number or something
[16:11] <jcastro> I dropped gvoice a long time ago
[16:11] <jcastro> though, tbh, managing fi is so trivial compared to normal telco account garbage
[16:12] <jcastro> like, I need help, blam, a little gtalk widget pops up and I can talk to the guy
[16:12] <jcastro> "you are number X in line, estimated 2 minute wait"
[16:13] <jcastro> I guess having my phone company be more like aws and gmail, with little-to-zero interaction is just too nice to pass up.
[16:13] <rick_h__> my big thing is that I've just used the one number, done calls/text from the computer, internationally, all the time
[16:13] <jrwren> i thought they did kill gvoice?
[16:14] <jcastro> rick_h__: yeah but these days number portability is trivial
[16:14] <jcastro> when gvoice launched it wasn't
[16:14] <rick_h__> jcastro: right, but the computer based using of calls/texts that look like your phone number isn't?
[16:14] <jcastro> oh you mean when you call from like your PC?
[16:14] <rick_h__> right
[16:14] <rick_h__> when I travel and such I use that a ton
[16:15] <jcastro> oh ok
[16:17] <jcastro> fi has a bunch of gvoice features, I wonder what the result will be, I guess I'll call you when my number transfer is complete, heh
[16:17] <rick_h__> so I saw a rumor that in the hangouts next version it'll remove the option for sms
[16:17] <rick_h__> which is :(
[16:17] <rick_h__> because they moved sms from gvoice to hangouts
[16:17] <jcastro> hangouts is infuriating to use
[16:17] <rick_h__> so that'll kill that off and make me use my non-voice cell number for sms
[16:18] <jcastro> I love that random people's stupid streams are integrated with my sms
[16:18] <jcastro> it's like, rage inducing
[16:19] <jcastro> oh, that's something I wanted, connect my personal texts to people broadcasting their dogs on G+, awesome
[16:20]  * rick_h__ is missing the G+ -> hangouts/sms connection
[16:21] <jcastro> they consolidated everything into the hangout app
[16:21] <jcastro> so when someone you know does a hangout-on-air or whatever, it spams you
[16:22] <rick_h__> gotcha
[16:23] <jcastro> it's just like they shoved everything into a new app, which is terrible compared to the thing it replaced
[16:24] <jcastro> so you can't really turn it off
[16:25] <jcastro> Signal has pretty much everything I need
[16:25] <jcastro> and Telegram isn't awesome but it isn't horrible either so between those two things I'm set on messaging
[16:26] <rick_h__> yea, I've dodged facebook but it means I'm an SMS person all day every day
[16:27] <jcastro> signal has one bummer where the desktop app won't let me SMS to someone unless they have signal, which is a bummer
[16:27] <jcastro> apparently one-messenger-to-rule-them-all is too hard for computing. :-/
[16:28] <greg-g> Signal or fgtfo
[16:28] <rick_h__> yea, well it's too hard for businesses to get into
[16:28] <jrwren> Messages.app works :p
[16:28] <rick_h__> oh, the first f threw me off for a second
[16:28] <rick_h__> hah! jrwren brings in the wagon of trolls!
[16:29]  * rick_h__ hasn't heard of signal and looks it up
[16:29] <jrwren> i kinda like the extra irreverance of fgtfo :]
[16:29] <jrwren> signal is cool!
[16:29] <jcastro> if signal had an sms bridge for their desktop app it'd be perfect.
[16:29] <jcastro> the desktop app is admitedly beta though
[16:29] <rick_h__> but it's like telegram, it's all about getting everyone into the same app
[16:30]  * rick_h__ is so sick of app silos that you can never get everyone in
[16:30] <rick_h__> I've got telegram, whatsapp, etc already
[16:30] <rick_h__> why another one?
[16:30] <jcastro> rick_h__: signal is the only one that has end-to-end encryption
[16:30] <jrwren> yup
[16:30] <greg-g> I hate their desktop app being a chrome app :/
[16:30] <rick_h__> fine, they can listen in to what my camper will cost me, oh well
[16:30] <jcastro> it's not supposed to be like a telegram, it's a drop in replacement for your SMS app
[16:30] <rick_h__> greg-g: soon it'll be FF compatible as FF reworks apps/extensions :)
[16:31] <rick_h__> jcastro: but only if everyone else is on it?
[16:31] <jcastro> and as a bonus on android it's a better messaging app than hangouts anyway, so even if you hate freedom it's a nobrainer
[16:31] <jrwren> EVERYONE needs telegram, signal, whatsapp, slack, gitr, irc, gtalk, aim, icq, y!m, msn, skype, kik, snapchat, and a few others.
[16:31] <jcastro> rick_h__: if the other person uses signal yes
[16:31] <rick_h__> jcastro: reading the description the only "SMS" is "avoiding SMS fees"
[16:31] <jcastro> but the genius is that it's transparent
[16:31] <jrwren> greg-g: high five!  I hate chrome apps.
[16:31] <jcastro> like, I install it on jill's phone
[16:31] <jcastro> and our texts are encrypted
[16:32] <jcastro> but if she texts some other person who doesn't have signal it all still works
[16:32] <jcastro> it's basically invisible
[16:32] <jcastro> so like, you don't have to tell everyone to switch to signal
[16:32] <jcastro> you just use it on your devices and you're all set
[16:33] <jcastro> rick_h__: signal is also OSS and has been audited
[16:33] <jcastro> it's not like telegram where they just make shit up about their security
[16:34] <jcastro> rick_h__: you just install, set it as default, and you're done, it's nice.
[16:58] <rick_h__> jcastro: so you can do messages from the app to SMS users not on signal?
[16:58]  * rick_h__ is on calls so in/out of this lovely conversation
[17:00] <jcastro> yes
[17:15]  * cmaloney still likes  hangouts
[17:15] <cmaloney> though playing "where is my SMS now" is a bit inguriating
[17:15] <cmaloney> infuriating, rather