[15:51] <knome> writing some at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud
[16:00] <knome> hai flocculant_ 
[16:00] <flocculant_> :)
[16:03] <knome> flexiondotorg, i just checked the download page of ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org... and you're using the old (pre-2012) xubuntu logo
[16:03] <flexiondotorg> Oh, link to correct logo/
[16:03] <flexiondotorg> ?
[16:03] <flexiondotorg> svg ideally.
[16:04] <knome> well, it's fairly easy to find that on our website, but here's what you want: http://static.xubuntu.org/xubuntu_brand/Icon/SVG/xubuntu_icon.svg
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> Got it.
[16:07] <flocculant_> knome: if google play will only play itunes of your own - or you have to pay monthly - should we be even mentioning it
[16:07] <knome> i don't know google play
[16:07] <flocculant_> well I only know https://play.google.com/music/listen#/sulp
[16:07] <knome> we should ask pleia2 about it ;)
[16:09] <knome> but i feel like we should probably mention it even if it is just subscription-based
[16:09] <knome> if somebody in the team uses it, it's good enough for them (and likely worth the money)
[16:09] <flocculant_> I guess
[16:10] <knome> but if the collection is available for subscription only, we totally need to be clear about that
[16:10] <knome> i wouldn't exactly recommend an app that plays ads either
[16:11] <knome> ...unless it's fair considering what you get in exchange
[16:11] <flocculant_> well no - I think we could definitely agree on those points :D
[16:11] <knome> or unless it can be fair from your point of view
[16:11] <knome> at least we're giving non-cloud options too ;)
[16:11] <flocculant_> yep
[16:11] <knome> everything has its price
[16:12] <flocculant_> I don't know that we should be going here though tbh
[16:12] <flocculant_> we're supposed to be doing a 'what people use as media managers' 
[16:12] <knome> sure
[16:12] <knome> but since that would be a short article series, i think it's a good idea to show the other options too
[16:13] <flocculant_> just because some of us don't - doesn't mean we should do 'what people use as media managers - but because some don't we're adding these things as well' 
[16:13] <knome> this is not "these are the recommended ones" :)
[16:13] <knome> lol
[16:13] <knome> no, not really
[16:13] <flocculant_> yea yea ofc it's not :)
[16:14] <knome> we probably want to edit the final article about the cloud services to not look so "selling"
[16:14] <flocculant_> anyway - going way off the topic - mostly just concerned about pointing at things if the only way it's any 'good' is with £'s :)
[16:14] <knome> and i was thining some comments from the team too
[16:15] <flocculant_> well
[16:15] <flocculant_> if we're gonig to add these things into the pot - then the people who use them should do what the rest of us have imho
[16:15] <knome> "Pasi: While I listen to local songs with gmusicbrowser most of the time, I occasionally listen to a few tracks on Spotify. For that purpose, the web interface is good enough."
[16:16] <flocculant_> then the things like cost will be in their post
[16:16] <knome> but most of the questions aren't very appropriate :D
[16:16] <flocculant_> I'm sure that people are capable of dealing with that :)
[16:16] <knome> haha
[16:16] <knome> well
[16:16] <knome> i just don't think we can warrant one article per cloud service
[16:16] <knome> for the reasons we talked a minute ago
[16:16] <flocculant_> eg I hate media managers - so pfft to those questions - I use foo because
[16:17] <knome> ads and subscriptions
[16:17] <knome> yeah, we should do a "summary" section
[16:17] <knome> for reasons why they use cloud things
[16:17] <knome> it's all very organic
[16:17] <flocculant_> nope - one article on them all works
[16:17] <knome> that's why i'm asking for feedback from them now so we can get the train moving
[16:18] <flocculant_> ^^ is reply to "don't think we can warrant one article ..."
[16:18] <knome> yep
[16:18] <knome> the desktop integration is something we should focus on more than the plans
[16:18] <flocculant_> waiting to read Unit193's on how he listens to music so he doesn't have to get involved with media managers :D
[16:19] <knome> hah
[16:19] <knome> yeah
[16:19] <knome> "here's the weirdo of the team, using a kernel module to playback music"
[16:19] <flocculant_> ha ha ha 
[16:19] <flocculant_> well
[16:19] <knome> "*Unit193 waves*"
[16:19] <flocculant_> "here's one of the weirdo's in the team, using a kernel module to playback music"
[16:19] <knome> hah
[16:20] <flocculant_> mmm
[16:20] <knome> "he also wears a tinfoil hat"
[16:20] <knome> "with pigtails"
[16:20] <flocculant_> didn't actually think about desktop integration of what people (I) use 
[16:20] <knome> yeah, i guess we should talk about that on the local managers too
[16:21] <knome> but also on the cloud players, because it's less obvious there
[16:21] <flocculant_> yep - can control clementine from the indicator just the same 
[16:21] <knome> yes, gmb has that support too
[16:21] <flocculant_> yea 
[16:22] <knome> for the "other players" article, what do we want to cover?
[16:22] <knome> do we limit to GTK?
[16:22] <flocculant_> All servers unavailable due to DNS problems ... that'll be why I lost connection then ...
[16:22] <knome> hah
[16:23] <flocculant_> I thought it was resolvconf upgrade :p 
[16:23] <knome> that's why i have a line for my IRC host in /etc/hosts :D :D
[16:23] <flocculant_> I hate upgrading things I'm not sure about when things stop working :D
[16:23] <flocculant_> s/hate/hate having had
[16:24] <knome> a list of some managers follows
[16:24] <knome> banshee
[16:24] <knome> exaile
[16:24] <knome> quod libet
[16:24] <knome> rhythmbox
[16:24] <knome> songbird
[16:24] <knome> amarok
[16:24] <knome> xmms :P
[16:24] <knome> was looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_audio_software
[16:25] <knome> s/songbird/nightingale/
[16:25] <flocculant_> Requesting has been temporarily HALTED. This will resume in: 1d 12h 40m - reason: Domain issues, even though it was paid for last week. This has to be sorted.
[16:25] <flocculant_> oh great ... 
[16:25]  * knome facepalms
[16:26] <knome> also, we should briefly mention apps that are figured out to have a good UX when listening to streams
[16:27] <flocculant_> really should just not bother with this bouncer stuff
[16:38] <flocculant_> nightingale doesn't appear to work btw - looked a short while ago, the ppa's arealmost 4 months since something failed to build
[16:48] <knome> aha
[18:15] <Unit193> Technically I cocmpiled it into a kernel module. >_>
[19:24] <flocculant> davmor2: last week while I head stuck well and truly in beta 1 were you in and out of -release talking about upgrades ?
[19:24] <flocculant> to 16.04 I assumed 
[19:26] <davmor2> flocculant: 14.04 to 16.04 
[19:27] <flocculant> aah good - was it failing? 
[19:27] <davmor2> flocculant: yes repeatedly
[19:27]  * flocculant hopes it's not just us :)
[19:28] <flocculant> cool - doesn't even start for us - some unath'd package issue and reverts
[19:28] <davmor2> yeap that is the new one
[19:28] <flocculant> probably no point in carrying on then - I wanted to know where *we* stood
[19:29] <davmor2> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1551198
[19:30] <flocculant> bug 1550741
[19:31] <davmor2> there's another one too if it gets passed that point
[19:31] <flocculant> davmor2: which one do you want to be the dupe :D
[19:31] <flocculant> I'd seen one a couple of weeks ago 
[19:32] <davmor2> flocculant: leave them for cyphermox the might be different but with the same error
[19:32] <flocculant> okey doke
[19:33] <flocculant> libutempter issue last time
[19:33] <cyphermox> actually aren't these two the same error with module-init-tools?
[19:33] <davmor2> flocculant: mod-init-tools I think was mine
[19:34] <flocculant> that was this weekend for us - your bug and mine - same thing 
[19:34] <flocculant> screenshots are spookily similar too :D
[19:35] <flocculant> oh no they aren't - I didn't do one lol
[19:37] <flocculant> 2016-02-29 11:37:13,775 ERROR Unauthenticated packages found: 'module-init-tools' from you and 2016-02-27 13:17:44,711 ERROR Unauthenticated packages found: 'module-init-tools' from me
[19:37] <flocculant> I won't dupe them - but I'd be surprised if they aren't
[20:04] <knome> Unit193, whatever it is you are actually using, please sign up for writing an article
[20:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: Because "yey one change per commit": https://bitbucket.org/xubuntu/xfdashboard/commits/cdf8d7727a115928afbffed08e4fc523859bbfa3 (for your review, if you'd like.)
[20:16] <Unit193> Also, time to reset the counter for how many times I've made the 'xfdasboard' typo.
[20:36] <Unit193> flocculant: And if you want to poke it, to make sure I didn't break it, that'd be good too.
[20:36] <Unit193> There's a new -plugins package, should install since it's in recommends.
[20:37] <flocculant> Unit193: ok - it'll show up shortly then :)
[20:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: fyi - some activity in -desktop re g-s with robert ancell tonight
[20:44] <Unit193> Saw updates scroll past Debian too, think it's in decent shape there.  Didn't actually check of course though. >_>
[20:45] <flocculant> was an update this afternoon - categories gone now
[22:18] <slickymaster> as far as I understood your intention is to have a slide for the wallpaper contest, right?
[22:18] <slickymaster> knome ^^
[22:18] <knome> slickymaster, that was discussed 2 years ago and some drafts were made even
[22:19] <slickymaster> yeah, I remember
[22:20] <slickymaster> just enlighten me something
[22:20] <knome> yes?
[22:20] <slickymaster> are you talking about another slide, or the replacment of one of the existing ones, knome?
[22:20] <knome> another slide
[22:20] <slickymaster> ok
[22:21] <knome> though i think we should probably try to rework most of the slides
[22:21] <knome> they are old by now and everybody have seen them
[22:21] <slickymaster> yes
[22:21] <knome> as i said the last time, one option is to try to poke people at our website more
[22:21] <knome> and with that, have less content on the slideshow
[22:21] <slickymaster> yeah, I saw your "look we have a website, look" :P
[22:21] <knome> and less maintaining
[22:22] <slickymaster> so your idea is to withdraw content from the slides and use the slides to point ant various website content?
[22:23] <slickymaster> s/ant/at
[22:23] <slickymaster> knome ^
[22:23] <knome> not completely necessary
[22:23] <knome> and that's just one of the paths we can take
[22:24] <knome> i'm happy to hear all ideas
[22:24] <knome> (and it's not only me who makes the decision anyway, this concerns the whole team)
[22:24] <slickymaster> currently we have 6 slides, if I'm not mistaken
[22:25] <knome> sth like that
[22:25] <slickymaster> I wouldn't mind focusing on the website, but that will leave us with a installer empty of content
[22:26] <knome> the question i have is does anybody read the content anyway
[22:26] <slickymaster> or at least just with graphical content with links to the website, which people might, or not, even follow
[22:26] <slickymaster> fair point
[22:26] <knome> also, we've been focusing on new features before
[22:26] <knome> nothing on the slideshow isn't new any more
[22:27] <knome> unless you count the changes made to the "preinstalled apps" slide
[22:27] <slickymaster> for a long time nor, it isn't
[22:27] <slickymaster> so we're speaking of a major revamp
[22:27] <knome> yeah
[22:27] <knome> we should do one every 2 years
[22:28] <slickymaster> going to add this to the discussion items for the meeting
[22:28] <knome> yeah
[22:28] <slickymaster> before starting anyhting, I agree with you, it concerns the all team
[22:28] <slickymaster> one other thing knome, is https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 temporary?
[22:29] <slickymaster> or is it going to be final landing place for the installer?
[22:29] <knome> i thought we could prepare the stuff there, then do one push to main
[22:29] <slickymaster> did you see my ping re our mails to the other flavors?
[22:29] <knome> which one of them?
[22:30] <slickymaster> no one said anything
[22:30] <knome> yeah, i noticed
[22:30] <knome> i think this is poop :P
[22:30] <knome> anyway
[22:30] <knome> i know i've said this before
[22:30] <slickymaster> lol
[22:30] <knome> but maybe postpone one more cycle
[22:30] <slickymaster> yeah, you did
[22:30] <knome> now is LTS, i don't want to mess it up
[22:30] <knome> let's do this as always, then change
[22:30] <knome> or just leave it
[22:30]  * knome shrugs
[22:31] <knome> the most important thing is that we get uploads done when we need
[22:31] <slickymaster> I'll wait a couple of weeks before postponing it
[22:31] <slickymaster> who knows
[22:31] <knome> if there are people who are active and will do those uploads, it's not a problem
[22:31] <slickymaster> right 
[22:43] <knome> at least we should figure out what we want to do our slideshow first :P
[22:43] <knome> i'm listening! :P
[22:44] <slickymaster> added it to the meeting
[22:46] <slickymaster> tbh I don't dislike the idea of a pure graphical slideshow with links to content outside of it
[22:46] <knome> mhm
[22:49] <slickymaster> knome, any reason why https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/upgrade/+merge/287403 is pending?
[22:49] <slickymaster> did you forget it?
[22:49] <slickymaster> or do you want me to review it?
[22:49] <knome> i'm lazy?
[22:49] <slickymaster> that's not it ÷P
[22:50] <knome> s/it's/its/
[22:50] <knome> s/Upgrade(Image)/Upgrade (Image)/
[22:51] <slickymaster> so, does that mean that you're reviewing it or you just pointing me at it?
[22:51] <knome> i can do it later
[22:52] <slickymaster> ok, I'll go and take care of the gmb references
[22:52] <knome> mhm
[22:52] <slickymaster> lol
[23:06] <knome> merge done
[23:22] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[23:31] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:31] <knome> hallo bluesabre 
[23:31] <bluesabre> heyo knome
[23:34] <bluesabre> knome: thinking of reworking the slideshow then?
[23:35] <knome> yep, sth new for the LTS
[23:35] <slickymaster> yes 
[23:36] <bluesabre> sounds like fun
[23:36] <bluesabre> let me know if you need any feedback etc
[23:36]  * knome lets bluesabre know
[23:36] <slickymaster> I added to the meeying bluesabre 
[23:36]  * knome waits for feedback
[23:36] <slickymaster> meeting
[23:37] <bluesabre> slickymaster: can't make it to the meeting
[23:37] <slickymaster> no problem we'll think of ways of getting you on board ;)
[23:38] <bluesabre> knome: the menulibre screenshot that is on the 15.10 slideshow is of an old version of menulibre
[23:38] <bluesabre> noticed that the other day
[23:38] <knome> just assign all work to bluesabre 
[23:38] <bluesabre> :D
[23:38] <slickymaster> there's one right there :D
[23:38] <bluesabre> nooooooo
[23:38] <bluesabre> it won't get done if you do that
[23:38] <slickymaster> lol
[23:38] <knome> bluesabre, how do you feel about the slide generally?
[23:38] <knome> is it still current and useful enough?
[23:39] <bluesabre> knome: I don't have the branch on my machine currently, and would take some time for me to fire up a vm
[23:40] <bluesabre> knome: I'll work on feedback tonight and post it here
[23:40] <knome> bluesabre, cheerio
[23:40] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:44] <knome> pleia2, any ideas from you?
[23:45] <pleia2> drat, I made my presence known
[23:45] <pleia2> tl;dr
[23:45] <knome> yeah...
[23:45] <knome> pleia2, ideas for improving the installer slideshow?
[23:45] <pleia2> I should look at it some time
[23:45] <knome> we'll talk about it on the meeting on thu
[23:46] <pleia2> ok, I'll make some time prior to that then to do some iso tests AND have a look
[23:46] <knome> :))