=== qwebirc712788 is now known as slickymasterWork === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Guest37795 is now known as sidi === yofel_ is now known as yofel === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [15:51] writing some at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud [16:00] hai flocculant_ [16:00] :) [16:03] flexiondotorg, i just checked the download page of ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org... and you're using the old (pre-2012) xubuntu logo [16:03] Oh, link to correct logo/ [16:03] ? [16:03] svg ideally. [16:04] well, it's fairly easy to find that on our website, but here's what you want: http://static.xubuntu.org/xubuntu_brand/Icon/SVG/xubuntu_icon.svg [16:04] Got it. [16:07] knome: if google play will only play itunes of your own - or you have to pay monthly - should we be even mentioning it [16:07] i don't know google play [16:07] well I only know https://play.google.com/music/listen#/sulp [16:07] we should ask pleia2 about it ;) [16:09] but i feel like we should probably mention it even if it is just subscription-based [16:09] if somebody in the team uses it, it's good enough for them (and likely worth the money) [16:09] I guess [16:10] but if the collection is available for subscription only, we totally need to be clear about that [16:10] i wouldn't exactly recommend an app that plays ads either [16:11] ...unless it's fair considering what you get in exchange [16:11] well no - I think we could definitely agree on those points :D [16:11] or unless it can be fair from your point of view [16:11] at least we're giving non-cloud options too ;) [16:11] yep [16:11] everything has its price [16:12] I don't know that we should be going here though tbh [16:12] we're supposed to be doing a 'what people use as media managers' [16:12] sure [16:12] but since that would be a short article series, i think it's a good idea to show the other options too [16:13] just because some of us don't - doesn't mean we should do 'what people use as media managers - but because some don't we're adding these things as well' [16:13] this is not "these are the recommended ones" :) [16:13] lol [16:13] no, not really [16:13] yea yea ofc it's not :) [16:14] we probably want to edit the final article about the cloud services to not look so "selling" [16:14] anyway - going way off the topic - mostly just concerned about pointing at things if the only way it's any 'good' is with £'s :) [16:14] and i was thining some comments from the team too [16:15] well [16:15] if we're gonig to add these things into the pot - then the people who use them should do what the rest of us have imho [16:15] "Pasi: While I listen to local songs with gmusicbrowser most of the time, I occasionally listen to a few tracks on Spotify. For that purpose, the web interface is good enough." [16:16] then the things like cost will be in their post [16:16] but most of the questions aren't very appropriate :D [16:16] I'm sure that people are capable of dealing with that :) [16:16] haha [16:16] well [16:16] i just don't think we can warrant one article per cloud service [16:16] for the reasons we talked a minute ago [16:16] eg I hate media managers - so pfft to those questions - I use foo because [16:17] ads and subscriptions [16:17] yeah, we should do a "summary" section [16:17] for reasons why they use cloud things [16:17] it's all very organic [16:17] nope - one article on them all works [16:17] that's why i'm asking for feedback from them now so we can get the train moving [16:18] ^^ is reply to "don't think we can warrant one article ..." [16:18] yep [16:18] the desktop integration is something we should focus on more than the plans [16:18] waiting to read Unit193's on how he listens to music so he doesn't have to get involved with media managers :D [16:19] hah [16:19] yeah [16:19] "here's the weirdo of the team, using a kernel module to playback music" [16:19] ha ha ha [16:19] well [16:19] "*Unit193 waves*" [16:19] "here's one of the weirdo's in the team, using a kernel module to playback music" [16:19] hah [16:20] mmm [16:20] "he also wears a tinfoil hat" [16:20] "with pigtails" [16:20] didn't actually think about desktop integration of what people (I) use [16:20] yeah, i guess we should talk about that on the local managers too [16:21] but also on the cloud players, because it's less obvious there [16:21] yep - can control clementine from the indicator just the same [16:21] yes, gmb has that support too [16:21] yea [16:22] for the "other players" article, what do we want to cover? [16:22] do we limit to GTK? [16:22] All servers unavailable due to DNS problems ... that'll be why I lost connection then ... [16:22] hah [16:23] I thought it was resolvconf upgrade :p [16:23] that's why i have a line for my IRC host in /etc/hosts :D :D [16:23] I hate upgrading things I'm not sure about when things stop working :D [16:23] s/hate/hate having had [16:24] a list of some managers follows [16:24] banshee [16:24] exaile [16:24] quod libet [16:24] rhythmbox [16:24] songbird [16:24] amarok [16:24] xmms :P [16:24] was looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_audio_software [16:25] s/songbird/nightingale/ [16:25] Requesting has been temporarily HALTED. This will resume in: 1d 12h 40m - reason: Domain issues, even though it was paid for last week. This has to be sorted. [16:25] oh great ... [16:25] * knome facepalms [16:26] also, we should briefly mention apps that are figured out to have a good UX when listening to streams [16:27] really should just not bother with this bouncer stuff [16:38] nightingale doesn't appear to work btw - looked a short while ago, the ppa's arealmost 4 months since something failed to build [16:48] aha === qwebirc407445 is now known as slickymasterWork [18:15] Technically I cocmpiled it into a kernel module. >_> [19:24] davmor2: last week while I head stuck well and truly in beta 1 were you in and out of -release talking about upgrades ? [19:24] to 16.04 I assumed [19:26] flocculant: 14.04 to 16.04 [19:27] aah good - was it failing? [19:27] flocculant: yes repeatedly [19:27] * flocculant hopes it's not just us :) [19:28] cool - doesn't even start for us - some unath'd package issue and reverts [19:28] yeap that is the new one [19:28] probably no point in carrying on then - I wanted to know where *we* stood [19:29] flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1551198 [19:29] Launchpad bug 1551198 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "14.04→16.04 upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] [19:30] bug 1550741 [19:30] bug 1550741 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrade failed - unathenticated package" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550741 [19:31] there's another one too if it gets passed that point [19:31] davmor2: which one do you want to be the dupe :D [19:31] I'd seen one a couple of weeks ago [19:32] flocculant: leave them for cyphermox the might be different but with the same error [19:32] okey doke [19:33] libutempter issue last time [19:33] actually aren't these two the same error with module-init-tools? [19:33] flocculant: mod-init-tools I think was mine [19:34] that was this weekend for us - your bug and mine - same thing [19:34] screenshots are spookily similar too :D [19:35] oh no they aren't - I didn't do one lol [19:37] 2016-02-29 11:37:13,775 ERROR Unauthenticated packages found: 'module-init-tools' from you and 2016-02-27 13:17:44,711 ERROR Unauthenticated packages found: 'module-init-tools' from me [19:37] I won't dupe them - but I'd be surprised if they aren't [20:04] Unit193, whatever it is you are actually using, please sign up for writing an article [20:15] bluesabre: Because "yey one change per commit": https://bitbucket.org/xubuntu/xfdashboard/commits/cdf8d7727a115928afbffed08e4fc523859bbfa3 (for your review, if you'd like.) [20:16] Also, time to reset the counter for how many times I've made the 'xfdasboard' typo. [20:36] flocculant: And if you want to poke it, to make sure I didn't break it, that'd be good too. [20:36] There's a new -plugins package, should install since it's in recommends. [20:37] Unit193: ok - it'll show up shortly then :) [20:43] bluesabre: fyi - some activity in -desktop re g-s with robert ancell tonight [20:44] Saw updates scroll past Debian too, think it's in decent shape there. Didn't actually check of course though. >_> [20:45] was an update this afternoon - categories gone now [22:18] as far as I understood your intention is to have a slide for the wallpaper contest, right? [22:18] knome ^^ [22:18] slickymaster, that was discussed 2 years ago and some drafts were made even [22:19] yeah, I remember [22:20] just enlighten me something [22:20] yes? [22:20] are you talking about another slide, or the replacment of one of the existing ones, knome? [22:20] another slide [22:20] ok [22:21] though i think we should probably try to rework most of the slides [22:21] they are old by now and everybody have seen them [22:21] yes [22:21] as i said the last time, one option is to try to poke people at our website more [22:21] and with that, have less content on the slideshow [22:21] yeah, I saw your "look we have a website, look" :P [22:21] and less maintaining [22:22] so your idea is to withdraw content from the slides and use the slides to point ant various website content? [22:23] s/ant/at [22:23] knome ^ [22:23] not completely necessary [22:23] and that's just one of the paths we can take [22:24] i'm happy to hear all ideas [22:24] (and it's not only me who makes the decision anyway, this concerns the whole team) [22:24] currently we have 6 slides, if I'm not mistaken [22:25] sth like that [22:25] I wouldn't mind focusing on the website, but that will leave us with a installer empty of content [22:26] the question i have is does anybody read the content anyway [22:26] or at least just with graphical content with links to the website, which people might, or not, even follow [22:26] fair point [22:26] also, we've been focusing on new features before [22:26] nothing on the slideshow isn't new any more [22:27] unless you count the changes made to the "preinstalled apps" slide [22:27] for a long time nor, it isn't [22:27] so we're speaking of a major revamp [22:27] yeah [22:27] we should do one every 2 years [22:28] going to add this to the discussion items for the meeting [22:28] yeah [22:28] before starting anyhting, I agree with you, it concerns the all team [22:28] one other thing knome, is https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 temporary? [22:29] or is it going to be final landing place for the installer? [22:29] i thought we could prepare the stuff there, then do one push to main [22:29] did you see my ping re our mails to the other flavors? [22:29] which one of them? [22:30] no one said anything [22:30] yeah, i noticed [22:30] i think this is poop :P [22:30] anyway [22:30] i know i've said this before [22:30] lol [22:30] but maybe postpone one more cycle [22:30] yeah, you did [22:30] now is LTS, i don't want to mess it up [22:30] let's do this as always, then change [22:30] or just leave it [22:30] * knome shrugs [22:31] the most important thing is that we get uploads done when we need [22:31] I'll wait a couple of weeks before postponing it [22:31] who knows [22:31] if there are people who are active and will do those uploads, it's not a problem [22:31] right [22:43] at least we should figure out what we want to do our slideshow first :P [22:43] i'm listening! :P [22:44] added it to the meeting [22:46] tbh I don't dislike the idea of a pure graphical slideshow with links to content outside of it [22:46] mhm [22:49] knome, any reason why https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/upgrade/+merge/287403 is pending? [22:49] did you forget it? [22:49] or do you want me to review it? [22:49] i'm lazy? [22:49] that's not it ÷P [22:50] s/it's/its/ [22:50] s/Upgrade(Image)/Upgrade (Image)/ [22:51] so, does that mean that you're reviewing it or you just pointing me at it? [22:51] i can do it later [22:52] ok, I'll go and take care of the gmb references [22:52] mhm [22:52] lol [23:06] merge done [23:22] thanks knome [23:31] evening all [23:31] hallo bluesabre [23:31] heyo knome [23:34] knome: thinking of reworking the slideshow then? [23:35] yep, sth new for the LTS [23:35] yes [23:36] sounds like fun [23:36] let me know if you need any feedback etc [23:36] * knome lets bluesabre know [23:36] I added to the meeying bluesabre [23:36] * knome waits for feedback [23:36] meeting [23:37] slickymaster: can't make it to the meeting [23:37] no problem we'll think of ways of getting you on board ;) [23:38] knome: the menulibre screenshot that is on the 15.10 slideshow is of an old version of menulibre [23:38] noticed that the other day [23:38] just assign all work to bluesabre [23:38] :D [23:38] there's one right there :D [23:38] nooooooo [23:38] it won't get done if you do that [23:38] lol [23:38] bluesabre, how do you feel about the slide generally? [23:38] is it still current and useful enough? [23:39] knome: I don't have the branch on my machine currently, and would take some time for me to fire up a vm [23:40] knome: I'll work on feedback tonight and post it here [23:40] bluesabre, cheerio [23:40] bbabl [23:44] pleia2, any ideas from you? [23:45] drat, I made my presence known [23:45] tl;dr [23:45] yeah... [23:45] pleia2, ideas for improving the installer slideshow? [23:45] I should look at it some time [23:45] we'll talk about it on the meeting on thu [23:46] ok, I'll make some time prior to that then to do some iso tests AND have a look [23:46] :))