[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <kfunk> how stable would you consider 16.04 at this point? anyone running it yet? :)
[08:38] <kfunk> (I have some bigger issues with the Kubuntu Backports PPA on 15.10, and I'd like to upgrade)
[08:39] <clivejo> kfunk: Ive been running it for few months and has been stable for me
[08:40] <clivejo> but it is a work in progress and might break
[08:40] <kfunk> ok, perfect. 
[08:40] <kfunk> sure
[08:40] <clivejo> what are the issues with backports?
[08:58] <kfunk> clivejo: korganizer broken
[08:59] <kfunk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352256
[09:54] <clivejo> kfunk: what version of apps have you installed?
[09:57] <kfunk> clivejo: hm? how do I figure out? 'apps' is generic...
[09:57] <clivejo> the package version number please
[09:57] <clivejo> like 15.12.1
[09:59] <clivejo> or 15.08.3
[10:00] <clivejo> yofel: would you have time to add me to the KCI admin group please?
[10:08] <clivejo> kfunk: KDE release Kontact in the apps suite, the sourcecode is here - http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/
[10:09] <clivejo> the most recent release is 15.12.1
[10:09] <clivejo> sorry 15.12.2
[10:09] <yofel> clivejo: what exactly do you need it for? Can't scarlett do the changes?
[10:10] <clivejo> we are working on 15.12.1 but having problems with kontact and itrs stack
[10:10] <clivejo> yofel: to learn and add some new packages upstream have added
[10:10] <clivejo> I asked her and she said she doesnt know how
[10:11] <yofel> do you?
[10:11] <clivejo> Id like to add libgapi and kactivitymanager
[10:12] <clivejo> and fix some debian git repo's
[10:12] <clivejo> at the moment I dont know, but I was going to try and learn
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:06] <clivejo> hi sgclark
[14:07] <sgclark> morning
[14:07] <clivejo> hows you today?
[14:07] <sgclark> just woke up. ask me after at least one cup of coffee
[14:08] <clivejo> I always find thats a bad idea :P
[14:08] <mamarley> ^Where is genii when you need him. ;p
[14:08] <sgclark> coffee or waking up?
[14:08] <clivejo> LOL
[14:08] <clivejo> coming on IRC when you just woke up
[14:09] <mamarley> sgclark: Coffee.  He is the one who is always coming on here and giving people virtual coffee.
[14:09] <sgclark> oh yes. it is. tis why I am alway grumpy in the morning
[14:09] <clivejo> he gives me virtual whiskey
[14:09] <sgclark> mamarley: lol yeah I know, I was responding to clivejo bad idea
[14:09]  * clivejo licks lips
[14:09] <mamarley> Oh, sorry.
[14:11] <sgclark> no need to be sorry lol
[14:35] <justin_time> Hi, I'm working on the tomahawk package (LP: #1487729). yofel guides me to open a sponsoring request and a FeatureFreezeExeption request. At the moment, I'm waiting for a second review of the package but I have no luck to find someone, who review and sponsor this package. The Kubuntu Developers are the maintainers of the old tomahawk package. Would it be possible that you guys could check my changes, adopt them and 
[14:35] <justin_time> update the old tomahawk package?
[14:38] <clivejo> does a FFE apply to all the archive?
[14:41] <clivejo> justin_time: where is the package you need reviewed?
[14:42] <justin_time> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~justin-time/ubuntu/xenial/tomahawk/bug-1487729
[14:45] <clivejo> justin_time: is it built on LP anywhere?
[14:46] <justin_time> clivejo: uh, I think not this version exactly, moment, I'll upload it to my PPA…
[15:15] <justin_time> clivejo: you can find a build of the latest bazaar branch here: https://launchpad.net/~justin-time/+archive/ubuntu/tomahawk-player
[16:25] <snele> please guys cherrypick this patch to fix systray missing icons issue
[16:25] <snele> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-workspace.git&a=commit&h=6a26adb50c0bfce031df55bf200ebc7f44420301
[16:25] <snele> for xenial
[16:39] <clivejo> snele: is it in 5.5.5?
[16:49] <snele> clivejo: yea I now its in 5.5.5 :)
[17:02] <denza242> Is CI working again :x
[17:04] <Riddell> clivejo: it is now yes
[17:04] <denza242> :O
[17:04] <denza242> ohi Riddell
[17:04] <Riddell> hola
[17:48] <kfunk> is there any update planned for kdepim? it's still at 5.0.2 afaics, which is pretty out of date
[18:23] <sgclark> L2RL4qKYv
[18:23] <Sho_> oops
[18:23] <sgclark> sigh
[18:24] <SilentGhost> sgclark: channel is logged ;)
[18:25] <sgclark> yes. clearly this vm is in the process of being trashed
[18:37] <soee> this day is sponosred by number 5, three times! 5.5.5 :)
[19:26] <clivejo> grrrr is this thing on?
[19:26] <mamarley> Yep, it is on.
[19:26]  * clivejo pokes the mic
[19:26] <mamarley> *feedback squeals*
[19:26] <clivejo> oupss
[19:27] <clivejo> it keeps disconnecting
[19:27] <clivejo> I wonder is it KDE Bouncer or Freenode
[19:27] <mamarley> clivejo: I don't see any disconnects for you recently.
[19:28] <mamarley> So it is probably something between you and the bouncer.
[19:28] <clivejo> maybe its local connection
[19:35] <clivejo> why is KCI so slow?
[20:32] <sgclark> clivejo: how is kolab coming along?
[20:32] <clivejo> sgclark: what part!?
[20:32] <sgclark> yofel: maybe you need to ping/talk to someone about Ffe? seems like it is taking a long time
[20:33] <sgclark> clivejo: the part you were working on? pim still needs it ?
[20:34] <clivejo> Im working on the whole server stack
[20:35] <sgclark> server stack? wat? All we need is a debian merge with the branches they are using.
[20:36] <sgclark> libkolab and libkolabxml
[20:36] <clivejo> Kolab is a groupware server
[20:37] <clivejo> like an open sourced Exchange server
[20:37] <sgclark> I am aware of what it is. but kdepim-runtime depends on libkolab -> libkolabxml and you said you were working on that
[20:37] <clivejo> libkolab is a tiny part of it
[20:37] <sgclark> Kubuntu cares nothing for the server stack
[20:38] <sgclark> we are not server 
[20:38] <clivejo> no but kontact is the client :P
[20:38] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkolab/
[20:40] <sgclark> ok I am done going in circles about this. We will ship without pim.
[20:40] <clivejo> copy those packages
[20:40] <clivejo> from KCI
[20:41] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkolabxml/
[20:43] <snele> "<sgclark> ok I am done going in circles about this. We will ship without pim"
[20:43] <snele> that would be great
[20:44] <snele> no buggy cpu/memory sucking software by default
[20:45] <sgclark> Well they picked a bad time to decide ABI is not important. So it is probably best. Sadly we are still stuck in the mud until ubuntu-release decides to approve our FFe
[20:45] <clivejo> sgclark:  can you add libgapi to KCI?
[20:46] <sgclark> clivejo: hmm they merged my pull request. should have already. oh script. right. running now.
[20:47] <sgclark> oh ruby how I hate you so.
[20:51] <clivejo> also plasma/kactivitymanagerd if you get a chance
[20:51] <sgclark> those in thoery will update with the script I am running
[20:51] <sgclark> iff I understand all this correctly now..
[20:51] <clivejo> I asked Phil to add me to KCI admin, but dont think hes had time
[20:52] <clivejo> either that of hes afraid Ill break it!
[20:52] <sgclark> well it should be developers only as there is alot to it
[20:52] <sgclark> you will get there soon I expect. 
[20:53] <clivejo> oh ok
[20:53] <clivejo> I been trying to fix KCI
[20:53] <sgclark> yeah me too.
[20:53] <clivejo> but need those packages 
[20:54] <sgclark> script is running
[20:54] <sgclark> I had permissions errors last two days but sitter got me all sorted out. sorry for the delay.
[20:56] <sgclark> at least I hope it is sorted
[20:58] <clivejo> sgclark: will you be attending the meeting tomorrow?
[20:59] <sgclark> what meeting ? where?
[21:00] <clivejo> Kubuntu CoreTeam before the podcast?
[21:01] <sgclark> sure
[21:28] <clivejo> finally!!
[21:33] <clivejo> sgclark: do you know where to find Qt5DesignerConfig.cmake?
[21:33] <clivejo> ah qttools5-dev
[21:34] <clivejo> Ill add that to build dep
[21:35] <sgclark> yeah that is what google tells me
[21:37] <clivejo> KCI is sooooo slow!
[21:37] <clivejo> usually by this time the queue is clear and I can use it to test build#
[21:42] <clivejo> sgclark: have you removed the packages from kdepimlibs which have been moved to akonadi?
[21:42] <sgclark> what?
[21:43] <sgclark> I have removed nothing
[21:43] <sgclark> unless the script did dunno
[21:43] <clivejo> BTW how do you know what packages to create?
[21:45] <clivejo> like how did you know you needed to create these new packages in this commit - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=5824b51c3e3e8efd2fc383d420df3b6c28666fc1
[21:45] <sgclark> package name will match library name is all I know.  All of the -data -bin split stuff is new to me and I am still not clear on what determines that. yofel will be more help here.
[21:46] <yofel> There's no fixed policy for those, best practices at best.
[21:46] <clivejo> took me ages to figure out that they werent new packages, just moved from kdepimlibs
[21:47] <yofel> -data is a solution to prevent too much arch-indep stuff getting duplicated in different binary packages on different architectures (there's a lintian warning for that actually)
[21:47] <clivejo> santa and I almost had a falling out :P
[21:47] <sgclark> oh. so I suspect pimlibs needs fixing. 
[21:47] <yofel> -bin is for non-multiarch binary files and runtime lib / bin stuff like libexec
[21:47] <clivejo> yup, it will need all those packages removed as they are now in akonadi
[21:48] <clivejo> can I work on that?
[21:48] <clivejo> Ive just grabbed a clone
[21:48] <sgclark> clivejo: well you should have seen that I made the commit, yet you did not bother to ask me? last I heard was something about symbols. 
[21:49] <clivejo> sgclark: it was while you had the migraine, I didnt want to bother you :(
[21:49] <sgclark> ahh well thanks for that then. sorry for forgetting git add
[21:49] <sgclark> seems like debcommit should ddo that..
[21:50] <clivejo> it was easy enough once I figure out the migration was from kdepimlibs
[21:50] <sgclark> and feel free with kdepimlibs. I am busy fighting with my own servers. Out of time for kubuntu for today.
[21:51] <clivejo> what servers are you fighting?
[21:52] <sgclark> my personal web/mail servers. nothing to do with kubuntu
[21:52] <clivejo> is anyone else seeing a blank page - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable
[21:52] <clivejo> sgclark: have you used kolab?
[21:53] <genii> clivejo: Sure looks empty here
[21:53] <sgclark> blank yes - kolab no
[21:53] <clivejo> weird
[21:54] <clivejo> the plain text link works :/
[22:22] <genii> Yay, a "Yippee" :)
[22:52] <sitter> sgclark: permission issues solved?
[22:52] <sitter> I also add notes to the wiki documentation for KCI as that is a fairly opaque issue
[22:54] <clivejo> where does usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/designer/akonadi5widgets.so belong?
[22:55] <sitter> clivejo: -dev 
[22:55] <sitter> designer is a ui development tool http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtdesigner-manual.html
[22:55] <clivejo> sitter: libkf5akonadiserver-dev.install?
[22:56] <sgclark> sitter: the admin thing. Resolved that issue. thanks
[22:56] <sitter> clivejo: depends on the widgets it contains
[22:57] <sgclark> clivejo: are you certain there are stable/unstable branches for the kactivities split?
[22:57] <sgclark> cuz ci seems to think not.
[22:57] <clivejo> sgclark: not yet
[22:57] <sgclark> oh
[22:57] <sgclark> well then that is why..
[22:57] <clivejo> will I create them?
[22:58] <sgclark> sure go for it. those are in namespace we have perma permissions to create in.
[23:03] <clivejo> created stable and unstable
[23:04] <clivejo> will it make it into xenial?
[23:05] <sgclark> lol. wew cannot even get approval for the current FFe. one step at a time...
[23:05] <sgclark> at this rate we will not have an xenial release
[23:05] <sgclark> oh well I tried.
[23:06] <clivejo> I guess it will be xenial backports :P
[23:06] <clivejo> create that branch when we get to it!
[23:06] <sgclark> lol
[23:08] <clivejo> sgclark: where are the actual xenial unstable builds?
[23:08] <clivejo> I can see the merger
[23:08] <sgclark> oh. I probably have to run that script again. running
[23:12] <clivejo> sgclark: why has KCI recently started looking for kio stable - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kio/
[23:12] <clivejo> we dont have a stable branch in git
[23:12] <sgclark> clivejo: I noticed that too. I don't know
[23:13] <clivejo> sitter: do you know ^^
[23:13] <sgclark> yeah frameworks in theory should never have stable
[23:13] <sitter> 42
[23:13] <sgclark> haha
[23:13] <sitter> clivejo: didn't get killed in the wipe I did apparently
[23:13] <clivejo> 42?
[23:13] <sitter> if you encounter a stable framework kill it with fire. it's a bogus job created by my stupidity
[23:14] <sgclark> the answer to life and everything!
[23:14] <clivejo> sgclark: kill it !!
[23:17] <clivejo> sgclark sitter: any way to resuscitate executor #1?
[23:18] <clivejo> or is it DNR
[23:18] <sitter> I could give it a prostate massage, not sure that's gonna help though :O
[23:18] <sitter> oh
[23:18] <sitter> it did
[23:18]  * clivejo jaw drops
[23:19] <sitter> you could actually decide to increase the executor count a bit. I think 22 is mostly stable
[23:20] <sitter> if it breaks you'll have to hunt down clemens to get the server hard reset though
[23:20] <clivejo> I think the problem is LP being slow
[23:20] <sitter> well
[23:20] <sgclark> heh, for now I will leave it :)
[23:20] <clivejo> seems to take forever to publish
[23:21] <sitter> the executors are a bottleneck before lp
[23:21] <sitter> if you open more executors you can expand as many builds as you want as long as they get built by lp within some 4 hours or so
[23:21] <sitter> trouble is the mergers that run once a day
[23:22] <sitter> they essentially cause 300 ruby processes to be forked and run through a semaphore that only lets 5 concurrent network transactions run (because git.kde only allows that many)
[23:22] <sitter> combined with actual build load that in the past *supposedly* blew the server into ENORESOURCES requiring a hard reset
[23:23] <sitter> I never quite figured out why it happens. but I know that the fewer executors you have open the less likely it is to happen
[23:23] <sitter> that said. some times KCI worked fine with 32 executors for multiple weeks
[23:23] <sitter> it's fairly random really :/
[23:23] <sitter> clivejo: you should go talk to someone about the publishing delay :P
[23:24] <clivejo> is this like when I talked to Martin about the "Windows" key?
[23:24] <sitter> I dunno
[23:24] <sitter> we do not talk about the Windows key
[23:24] <sitter> we == all of linux
[23:25] <clivejo> or being sent to buy a tin of tartan paint?
[23:25] <sitter> maybe that
[23:25] <sitter> generally the launchpad people are very responsive though
[23:25] <sitter> also KCI usually notices issues much more than other services because of the amount of stuff it throws at launchpad
[23:26] <clivejo> is KCI IP address static? 
[23:27] <sitter> yeah
[23:28] <clivejo> ah good
[23:28] <clivejo> FreeNode have whitelisted it
[23:28] <clivejo> so that problem should be fixed