[03:06] <cristianR> Hi
[03:06] <cristianR> I am doing a minimal installation of 16.04. When I try to install nvidia proprietary drivers it tries to install about 1gb of dependencies. I.E evolution-data-server, or gnome-screensaver
[03:06] <cristianR> It is supposed to be like this, or I just uncovered a bug_
[03:06] <cristianR> ?
[03:19] <cristianR> found it, I should install it with --no-install-recommends
[04:03] <ChibaPet> cristianR: I'd wondered about that myself. Thank you.
[04:48] <cristianR> Hi
[04:50] <cristianR> What version of the nvidia proprietary driver do you recommend to use with bumblebee? I was unable to successfully run initramfs so far.
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:06] <luqman_> where can I get 16.10?
[11:06] <k1l> there is no 16.10
[11:08] <k1l> 16.04 is the development release atm
[11:08] <k1l> for an iso see the topic in this channel
[11:32] <muerte> Hello, my Xenial Xerus Alpha2 crashes time to time. When I send bug crash report it tells me to upgrade obsolete packages: apt, apt-utils, bind9-host, cups, cups-client, cups-core-drivers, cups-daemon, iproute2, isc-dhcp-client, libapt-pkg5.0, libcups2, libcupscgi1, libcupsimage2, libcupsmime1, libcupsppdc1, libldap-2.4-2, printer-driver-gutenprint. I Tried apt-get autoremove and apt-get install but it did not work out. How do I upg
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> muerte: did you clean install or upgrade?
[11:32] <muerte> clean install
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> muerte: uname -a please?
[11:33] <muerte> 4.4.0-2-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 28 15:43:18 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:34] <lordievader> muerte: Have you run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[11:47] <asper> hi there i got a problem regarding gstreamer and vaapi. last week i could play files with gst-play1.0 but now i got errors libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_drv_video.so
[11:47] <asper> libva info: va_openDriver() returns -1
[11:48] <asper> there is no i965_drv_video.so only a i965_dri.so
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> asper: up to date to latest?
[11:48] <asper> yep.
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> asper: got the right video driver active? check sudo lshw -C video ?
[11:50] <asper> seems right:  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> asper: maybe file a new bug then?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[11:53] <lordievader> Does vdpau work correctly?
[11:53] <asper> how can i check that?
[11:55] <lordievader> With gstreamer? No idea. I suppose you could tell mpv to use the vdpau driver to test vdpau.
[11:55] <asper> ahh ok. no i got intel graphics.
[11:56] <lordievader> ?
[11:57] <lordievader> http://askubuntu.com/questions/88847/how-do-i-enable-vdpau-hardware-video-acceleration-support-for-non-nvidia-cards
[11:57] <lordievader> Ohh, hey, your bug is mentioned!
[11:58] <lordievader> !bug 1300215
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> nice find lordievader
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> asper: add your experience to it maybe?
[12:04] <asper> ohh crap. i had to install i965-va-driver manually
[12:04] <asper> works now. thanks for the hint.
[12:04] <lordievader> But anyways, it seems vdpau is recommended over va-api.
[12:05] <muerte> lordievader: No, I will try that. Thanks for help!
[12:05] <lordievader> Sure, no problem.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:13] <asper> lordievader: there is no real vdpau for intel gpus
[12:13] <asper> only a wrapper which then uses vaapi.
[12:13] <lordievader> I see.
[12:15] <muerte> Another question about SSD drives: I have enabled noatime and discard on fstab and crypttab. What else has to be done for SSD optimization, TRIM? Is there instructions on ubuntu wiki or forum?
[12:27] <k1l> ubuntu got automatic trim support
[12:27] <k1l> and todays ssds dont need any special treatment besides that, since they live as long as hdds
[12:33] <BluesKaj> I ran noatime and discard in fstab for a while, but after doing a clean install there really was no difference in speed or response either
[12:35] <BluesKaj> on samsung evo 850 ssd 256Gb
[12:38] <BluesKaj> also there's some theory about leaving 10% unallocated space on ssd for overwriting of some kind
[13:12] <muerte> Does /etc/cron.weekly/fstrim: /sbin/fstrim --all || true work on Crucial drives also?
[13:13] <muerte> On 14.04 "exec fstrim-all --no-model-check" did the trick to all drives...
[13:23] <muerte> k1l: Do you know anything about above cron jobs?
[17:02] <salamanderrake> how do I fix a file conflict when installing a package, I am tring to install kubuntu-full and got this going https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/cd82a390e3e41d3af8d3
[17:12] <JanC> ugh, the software centre in 15.04 is so bad; I hope that will get fixed...
[17:12] <JanC> 16.04
[17:13] <genii> salamanderrake: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.08.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:15] <salamanderrake> genii: still got issues, https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/d0689f1d2e1ae76c1413
[17:16] <salamanderrake> the package name is kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.08.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:17] <genii> salamanderrake: Either should have worked... in any case, try again now with the sudo apt-get -f install  ( no packagename)
[17:19] <salamanderrake> cool thanks than worked
[19:57] <nedstark> will ubuntu 16.04 have zfs or not
[19:58] <nedstark> i am tired of the hippies dictating to all the distros
[19:59] <Pici> I'm not sure what that means.
[20:02] <SwedeMike> nedstark: are you referring to https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/ ?
[20:06] <jushur> thinks its time to force mirror server admins to fix their servers. or take them out of the rotation.. a lot of the mirrors are vuln atm. and it seems admins are sleeping.
[20:08] <lordievader> Aren't most of those servers run by volunteers? I.e. low priority.
[20:09] <jushur> low prio? is like ppl geting handed things that has been mitm modified atm?
[20:10] <jushur> lordievader: and yes i do get its volunteers, but low prio. not so much.
[20:11] <jushur> nedstark: i say wait and se how the actuall release looks. when its out.
[20:15] <nedstark> i will wait and see, but if they retreat, it will mean a victory for the radicals
[20:15] <Pici> jushur: er, vulnerable to what?
[20:18] <nedstark> they took down the page so i see that as a bad sign https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[20:18] <nedstark> another one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
[20:20] <jushur> Pici: well, I only see SSLv2 DROWN as official atm, but there is more. And its nasty.
[20:22] <nedstark> i will use the ppa regardless https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[20:22] <Pici> jushur: I didn't think there were many/any servers that provided pacakges over https
[20:23] <k1l_> jushur: 16.04 ships the zfs.ko but the installer is not capable of making a zfs root partition, yet, iirc.
[20:23] <k1l_> nedstark: ^
[20:25] <k1l_> nedstark: and the wiki pages are working here. dont know what you mean
[20:25] <jushur> k1l_: yah i know, saw it was ment for ned to.. a sidenote tho. there seems to be some issues with installing the zfs tools. tested it on some test installs and all of them had issues with reboots. exept the system actually installed to a zfs partition.
[20:28] <ChibaPet> jushur: What issues did you encounter? I'm just cathcing up on scrollback.
[20:30] <ChibaPet> Hrm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS is up. Might have been freetarded malice if it was down briefly.
[20:30] <ChibaPet> nedstark: Using the shipped ZFS will be safer, IMHO. No DKMS required.
[20:30] <jushur> ChibaPet: well none of the systems without zfs pool for the drive actually managed to boot. some error accessing/finding the vg partitions.
[20:30] <ChibaPet> jushur: FWIW, I've got systems both running ZFS root and ZFS for dedicated data partitions, and no significant issues so far.
[20:31] <ChibaPet> jushur: How are you using it? I'd be happy to help.
[20:31] <jushur> ChibaPet: could be just my setups that is a bit wonky tho.
[20:32] <ChibaPet> jushur: FWIW, here, I've got zpools sitting on LUKS, and no configuration beyond having the LUKS providers listed in /etc/crypttab. The cryptsetup.target seems to do the right thing for me. I haven't actually tried an unencrypted version of this yet. :P
[20:32] <jushur> ChibaPet: well vg on luks, separate /boot. the zfs pool system has a dedicated /boot drive. and 2x 8TB hdd's in a mirror. that system is working perfectly.
[20:33] <ChibaPet> jushur: Are you trying for ZFS on root?
[20:33] <ChibaPet> jushur: And LUKS or no LUKS?
[20:33] <jushur> ChibaPet: i have that. works 100% manual install.
[20:34] <ChibaPet> I'm sorry. I might be slow today. I'm missing what particular combination is not working for you.
[20:35] <ChibaPet> You said something isn't finding VG partitions... Are you keeping zpools inside of LVM, or ...?
[20:35] <jushur> ChibaPet: all my test ssystems without ZFS failed to boot.
[20:35] <ChibaPet> Oh, weird.
[20:36] <ChibaPet> I'd make sure your image is up to date, for whatever installer you're using. I haven't run into that here. Maybe it's a known thing. Hopefully.
[20:37] <jushur> ChibaPet: idd, but i have a gyu asigned to looking trough it.
[20:37] <ChibaPet> gyu?
[20:37] <ChibaPet> oh, guy, possibly
[20:37] <jushur> guy*/dude
[20:39] <ChibaPet> Hm. So, I've been mostly using the server install image lately, since I'm going to wait for Ubuntu to support ZFS on root before I actually do that, and it's done relatively complex set-ups without error - separate boot on raid, root on ext-on-lvm-on-luks-on-raid. I haven't tried this sort of install with the desktop image.
[20:40] <jushur> ChibaPet: lvm on luks works perfectly fine with the desktop image. im not doing any raids tho. but cant imagine that would change anything realy.
[20:41] <ChibaPet> Oh. LVM... was failing, you just said...? Could you explain to me in small words what combination of things is failing? I'm still not seeing it.
[20:42] <jushur> it could not find the lvm on reboot. was kinda odd. as it was there. could boot with live img and see it. but the kernel with zfs could not.
[20:43] <jushur> could just be an error in the grub detection tho.
[20:43] <ChibaPet> Is it getting into your initrd, or not loading it?
[20:44] <jushur> well it worked so far it got to try to look for the lvm, /boot is on a ext2 partition so its 100% always working.
[20:45] <jushur> the crypt part was done. and no errors there.
[20:45] <ChibaPet> hm - any chance you're missing lvm packages, such that they're not getting hooked into your initrd build?
[20:46] <ChibaPet> lvm2, liblvmfoo, etc
[20:46] <ChibaPet> That'd explain the rescue environment seeing the LVM but the initrd not.
[20:46] <jushur> ChibaPet: well i was thinking maybe it was something like that. have my friend looking trough the boot files atm.
[20:46] <ChibaPet> Also verify that /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm2 is there.
[20:49] <ChibaPet> How you'd come to not have the lvm packages, on the other hand, is unclear. I'd suspect you'd get them even with a minimal set from deboostrap.
[20:50] <lordievader> ChibaPet: Not true, you need to explicitly install them.
[20:50] <lordievader> A debootstrap is very minimal.
[20:50] <ChibaPet> Well. I can see that maybe being it then.
[20:51] <jushur> the system clearly had the correct files, as it was working before :D
[20:52] <ChibaPet> jushur: It is Mysterious.
[20:52] <jushur> ChibaPet: yes, i was like ehm!?!!.. when it happened..
[20:52] <ChibaPet> I have to get off my duff and write some bug reports before it's too late to be useful.
[20:53] <jushur> ChibaPet: my friend is at the physical location doing all the boring work of digging trough the files atm. he will make a bug report if he finds out what happened.
[20:54] <ChibaPet> Cool.
[20:54] <jushur> we kinda never report anything if we dont understand it, we just document it and redo the systems. wait for a new version etc.
[22:27] <timp> hello. Is this the correct channel to ask for help on installing xenial on a Macbook Pro?
[22:28] <timp> I have a MacbookPro11-1, so I am following the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro11-1/utopic
[22:28] <timp> except I didn't use an utopic image but a daily xenial image
[22:28] <timp> I load ubuntu from usb stick fine, and it looks great :) but the instructions say to sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source, in order to get wifi working
[22:29] <timp> that package cannot be located for me. Is it not included in the xenial image?
[22:29] <timp> wifi is not working out-of-the-box for me
[22:29] <ChibaPet> timp: Right, you need a wired network to bootstrap.
[22:29] <ChibaPet> Like, one of the USB ethernet adapters.
[22:30] <timp> ohh, I don't have that
[22:30] <lordievader> !info bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:30] <ChibaPet> You might be able to make everything available on local disks, but that'd be a bit of work.
[22:30] <ChibaPet> I'm going to be installing on my 11,1 when I get a chance, so please share how it goes.
[22:30] <lordievader> Or download the deb (and it's dependencies) to a stick, and install from there.
[22:30] <ChibaPet> (Dual booting, not dangerously dedicated.)
[22:30] <timp> where can I find the package (for xenial amd64). I can put it on a usb stick from a different computer
[22:31] <ChibaPet> lordievader: The dependencies are the sticking point. Is there a nice way to get a full list?
[22:31] <lordievader> timp: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:31] <lordievader> ChibaPet: apt-cache show
[22:32] <ChibaPet> lordievader: But no tool for a recursive list?
[22:33] <lordievader> Not that I know of.
[22:33] <ChibaPet> timp: https://bpaste.net/show/f33ab1378776 FWIW
[22:33] <lordievader> But you could easily script something which downloads the deb and its dependencies.
[22:33] <ChibaPet> timp: If you have a store handy, the Apple dongles are about $30.
[22:34] <ChibaPet> Time-wise using USB ethernet might win over the work of devising a list, downloading it, accessing it.
[22:34] <lordievader> Though dependencies of dependencies might be troublesome...
[22:34] <ChibaPet> ^
[22:34] <lordievader> Agreed, getting an ethernet device takes care of a lot of headaches.
[22:35] <ChibaPet> timp: Note that I'm explicitly recommending the USB ethernet. I'm not sure how well Ubuntu will play with the ThunderBolt gigabit adapters.
[22:35] <timp> looks like I only need this dependency: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/dkms/2.2.0.3-2ubuntu9
[22:35] <ChibaPet> timp: Your environment has a compiler handy?
[22:35] <timp> ChibaPet: it is almost midnight, so the store is closed. And I have a bunch of USB sticks already
[22:35] <timp> ChibaPet: seems like gcc is included on the xenial daily build
[22:35] <timp> that's why it is 1.5 GB :)
[22:35] <ChibaPet> hah
[22:36] <ChibaPet> Well, snagging dependencies will work then. Just don't be frustrated if it ends up being an iterative process.
[22:36] <ChibaPet> And please, again, tell me how it goes, as I'll be doing the same thing soonish. (I'll probably use the server ISO, but either way.)
[22:36] <timp> I thought all my old 1 GB USB sticks were useless now since the image is 1.5GB
[22:36] <timp> but now they come in handy for the debs :)
[22:37] <ChibaPet> FWIW: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter
[22:37] <ChibaPet> I've got two and I've used them with Linux for long stretches.
[22:38] <timp> I haven't used a cable for network in years :)
[22:39] <timp> aaaaaand.....
[22:39] <timp> I have wifi :D
[22:39] <ChibaPet> Oh, good deal. That was fast.
[22:39] <ChibaPet> Question: rEFInd and dual-boot, or only Ubuntu on the box?
[22:39] <lordievader> timp: But ethernet is much faster!
[22:40] <ChibaPet> Follow-up: If rEFInd and dual-booting, are you running El Capitan, and are you running FileVault?
[22:41] <timp> I will dual boot with el capitan, no filevault
[22:41] <timp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro11-1/utopic recommends efibootmgr
[22:41] <timp> I'll try that
[22:43] <ChibaPet> Alright. New to me.
[22:59] <timp> the install seems successful :)
[22:59] <timp> only after rebooting into my installed ubuntu I need to re-install the kernel modules for wifi
[23:00] <timp> yay :)\
[23:00] <ChibaPet> cool
[23:00] <timp> ChibaPet, lordievader: thanks for your help :)
[23:01] <ChibaPet> Happy to help.
[23:03] <timp> wow, new software store :)
[23:16] <timp> ChibaPet: so if you want to dual boot with OSX, the MacbookPro11-1 wiki page is not complete
[23:17] <timp> for the wily wiki page
[23:17] <timp> they left out installation step 8 where you add MacOS to your grub config, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro11-1/Saucy\
[23:18] <timp> besides that, all is good :)
[23:20] <ChibaPet> timp: Neat. I might give it a shot tonight.