[00:20] <Drroot> Hello
[00:21] <knome> 'lo
[00:22] <Drroot> 16.04 relealse?
[00:22] <knome> that is not even a question
[00:23] <Drroot> New versions of Ubuntu come or not?
[00:24] <knome> yes, there will be a 16.04 release.
[00:24] <knome> for both ubuntu and xubuntu
[00:25] <Drroot> link?
[00:26] <Drroot> Stable or test?
[00:26] <pleia2> link for what?
[00:26] <pleia2> the release schedule is here, it's not out yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[00:26] <knome> Drroot, what's your native language?
[00:26] <Drroot> im persian :D
[00:27] <knome> !farsi | Drroot 
[00:27] <knome> Drroot, would that help?
[00:29] <Drroot> @ubottu tnx !
[00:29] <meetingology> Drroot: Error: "ubottu" is not a valid command.
[00:32] <Drroot> How to change the color of all XUbuntu Fonts? 
[00:34] <knome> Drroot, this is the developer channel for xubuntu, you should ask #xubuntu (or if you think english might be too hard for you, the farsi channel where they should be able to help you with xubuntu as well)
[07:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: update to appstream this morning - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244514979/Screenshot_2016-03-01_07-54-07.png
[11:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: :o
[12:01] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster: Slide feedback...
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 1. Welcome to Xubuntu: Since we have Ubuntu, Xfce, and Xubuntu on there, maybe we could have links or popovers with descriptions on hover?
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 2. Ready to go! I think the current app list is fine. Not really sure if anything can be improved here.
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 3. Personalize your computer: Currently features mugshot, maybe we can do something else here? Also, very similar to slide 5 "Make the desktop your own"
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 4. The Xubuntu desktop: Shows info about the panel. This one is fine. If we want to have a little version branding, we could override the time displayed to be release version (21 Apr, 16:04)
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 5. Make the desktop your own: Shows menulibre. Outdated screenshot. Maybe time to feature a different app now?
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 6. Help & Support... A-OK
[12:01] <bluesabre> Slide 7. Thank you! All good here, I like the animal feature
[12:01] <bluesabre> Other thoughts: For slides with multiple apps, we could do a mini fade slideshow of the apps mentioned. I really like the the popovers that are displayed on the bottom when hovering. Maybe we could have a slide on contributing?
[12:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: so at least gs is working now - just not showing featured and editors picks 
[12:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes. Managed to list uninstalled apps, install an app, launch it, and remove it
[12:42] <bluesabre> progress :)
[12:42] <flocculant> yep
[12:42] <flocculant> I noticed that the remove option was only available if I tried to install something already installed
[12:49] <bluesabre> sounds right
[13:07] <knome> bluesabre, thanks
[13:07] <knome> bluesabre, actually re: menulibre and mugshot, it might be time to throw them as articles on the website; we even have this article series "the small details" planned, those would be great there
[13:08] <knome> bluesabre, and for the mini fade slideshow, yeah, or even make a slide slideshow to give the user the feeling that we are actually progressing all the time
[13:13] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
[13:14] <knome> copied bluesabre's comments over already
[13:15] <knome> bluesabre, maybe you want to copy-paste the lines there again so we can see it on your own color :P
[13:49] <knome> bbabl
[18:40] <flocculant> evening krytarik 
[18:51] <knome> he flocculant 
[18:52] <flocculant> he knome 
[18:53] <flocculant> good job there's no-one nicked man
[18:53] <knome> ;P
[18:55] <knome> flocculant, you might want to look at the recent (1min) revision of https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[18:55] <knome> for something - at least - new
[18:55] <knome> the order appears to be bollock
[18:55] <knome> +s
[18:55] <knome> but nvm that
[18:55] <knome> just look at it! 
[18:56] <flocculant> :p
[18:56] <knome> (and i know some slides are borked)
[18:56] <flocculant> I hope you're teaching please to the junior ;)
[18:56] <knome> please? what's that? unheard concept to me..
[19:06] <flocculant> like the support slide 
[19:06] <knome> yeah, looking for more airyness there
[19:06] <knome> we don't need it to be cramped full of information
[19:07] <flocculant> I still think we could contribute slide 
[19:08] <knome> yeah
[19:08] <knome> we probably should look at the content for the current ones too
[19:09] <knome> again, i'm "mostly" interested in the looks
[19:09] <flocculant> :)
[19:23] <flocculant> certainly need to look at content now there are 2 gone
[19:23] <flocculant> makes what's left look a bit like an afterthought
[19:24] <knome> sure
[19:24] <knome> and i don't disagree with a full slide dedicated to contribution
[19:25] <Nairwolf> hi everyone ;) Flocculant, I didn't have time to test upgrade yet, I should be able to do it tomorrow, I think
[19:25] <flocculant> Nairwolf: thanks for thinking of it - though I've called a halt to upgrade testing atm 
[19:26] <Nairwolf> oh, ok
[19:26] <Nairwolf> as you want
[19:26] <flocculant> it'll be back :)
[19:27] <knome> ...and you will know when as you follow the devel mailing list
[19:27] <knome> ...right?
[19:28] <flocculant> knome: any idea why changes to docs bp don't get notified as a mail? 
[19:29] <knome> nope
[19:29] <Nairwolf> knome: yes, I'm following xubuntu-devel ;)
[19:30] <knome> flocculant, hmm, maybe; you aren't a member of the assignee team
[19:30] <knome> flocculant, you can subscribe from the blueprint page though
[19:30] <flocculant> ?
[19:30] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-x-docs
[19:30] <flocculant> I don't subscribe to any of them - I get mails about changes to all the other ones
[19:31] <knome> even dev?
[19:31] <knome> and art?
[19:31] <flocculant> not that one
[19:31] <knome> see, either you are the drafter or the assignee (or part of the team that's the assignee) for the rest of them
[19:31] <flocculant> or that - but then I never expect to see anything from -art 
[19:32] <flocculant> oh ok 
[19:32] <knome> i would think that is it..
[19:33] <flocculant> I guess so
[19:33] <flocculant> I assume you saw I added pdf's then :D
[19:34] <knome> i guess
[19:34] <flocculant> that's not something you can guess - you did or didn't :p
[19:34] <flocculant> I guess
[19:35] <knome> i guess you're right
[19:35] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:48] <knome> flocculant, another fancy push :P
[20:54] <flocculant> :)
[22:14] <knome> slickymaster, ping me if you happen to be around at some point.
[22:43] <slickymaster> right here, knome 
[23:01] <knome> good good
[23:02] <knome> slickymaster, check out this: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[23:06] <slickymaster> branching it, knome 
[23:21] <slickymaster> knome, the Ubuntu, Xfce and Xubuntu icons are too big and go off the slide frame
[23:21] <knome> sigh
[23:21] <knome> just dismiss *obvious* breakage
[23:21] <slickymaster> ok
[23:22] <knome> there's many nice new things there, focus on them :P
[23:22] <slickymaster> I know, I'll get there
[23:22] <slickymaster> continuing
[23:22] <slickymaster> why not chnage the italic in 'Try Xubuntu' in the first slide for bold
[23:22] <slickymaster> ?
[23:23] <knome> well, we can do that...
[23:23] <slickymaster> it doesn't 'feel' right, whne reading the setence
[23:23] <slickymaster> * when
[23:23]  * knome shrugs
[23:23] <knome> if you aren't running with that mode, bold might feel weird
[23:23] <knome> but please go on :P
[23:24] <slickymaster> third slide
[23:24] <slickymaster> is that horizontal scrool going to do something?
[23:24] <slickymaster> the one in the top
[23:24] <knome> i don't have a horizontal scrollbar...
[23:25] <knome> (or in other words, no, but let's try to make sure it doesn't appear)
[23:26] <slickymaster> Help & Support slide
[23:27] <slickymaster> what do you think about placing the 'Other resources' section right aligned?
[23:27] <knome> maybe.
[23:27] <knome> but you need to see the next slide to appreciate the empty space
[23:27] <slickymaster> ah
[23:27] <slickymaster> you're right
[23:28] <slickymaster> the best one so far, IMO
[23:28] <knome> mhm
[23:28] <slickymaster> love this one
[23:28] <knome> of course, it has the most effects and graphic stuff :P
[23:29] <slickymaster> but that's what catches people's attention
[23:29] <knome> yep, of course
[23:29] <slickymaster> Like the graphical aspect of the following one
[23:29] <knome> good
[23:29] <knome> that slide probably still needs something
[23:30] <slickymaster> yes
[23:30] <slickymaster> but not text
[23:30] <knome> depends on the text, but not much at least
[23:31] <slickymaster> is it possible to have some sort of popups when hovering the possible ways to contribute?
[23:31] <slickymaster> artwork, documentation, testing
[23:31] <knome> yeah, that's possible
[23:31] <slickymaster> that could be a possibility
[23:32] <knome> though we have to take the amount of time the slide is shown by default into account
[23:32] <slickymaster> yes
[23:32] <knome> one thing that would be really cool IMO on that page was some photos of the team
[23:32] <knome> but unfortunately those are few and far between
[23:33] <slickymaster> what type of photos?
[23:33] <knome> and privacy issues and more
[23:33] <knome> "what type of photos?", asks he knowingly
[23:33] <slickymaster> the last one could also get something extra
[23:33] <slickymaster> :)
[23:33] <knome> yes, the xenial
[23:33] <slickymaster> that's it
[23:33] <knome> probably full height
[23:34] <knome> i mean, taking the whole slide
[23:34] <slickymaster> yes
[23:34] <knome> and align the text to the left side
[23:34] <knome> for the apps slide
[23:34] <knome> i was thinking showing bigger app icons
[23:34] <slickymaster> in the second slide?
[23:34] <knome> then the app names/descriptions could fade in
[23:34] <knome> yeah
[23:34] <slickymaster> I like that option
[23:35] <knome> or the images could also fade in
[23:35] <knome> quickly
[23:35] <slickymaster> the fade in
[23:35] <knome> not all at the same time, but in a similar fashion as the bubbles on the irc slide
[23:35] <knome> but even faster
[23:35] <slickymaster> I think we've talked about that 2 releases ago
[23:35] <knome> maybe
[23:35] <knome> so for the first slide
[23:36] <knome> now that you've seen the rest
[23:36] <knome> do you have some ideas?
[23:36] <slickymaster> what about mentioning the contributor docs?
[23:36] <knome> yeah, can do that
[23:36] <slickymaster> before startiong over slide by slid
[23:36] <slickymaster> +e
[23:36] <slickymaster> maybe you cab juggle it in the fourth slide
[23:37] <slickymaster> ok, so form the start
[23:37] <slickymaster> first slide
[23:37] <knome> to the contribution slide "Once you are done figuring out what you want to help with, the *Contributor Documentation* can help you get started."
[23:37] <slickymaster> yes
[23:38] <slickymaster> but let's start from the beginning
[23:38] <knome> yeah
[23:38] <knome> we could do something there along the lines of the mouse later
[23:38] <slickymaster> I'd change the first setence
[23:38] <knome> eg. something spanning those two slides
[23:39] <knome> i've been thinking about some kind of arrow, but haven't figured out what would be nice yet
[23:39] <slickymaster> to "Congratulations for choosing to install Xu....
[23:39] <slickymaster> wait, what do you mean by spanning those two slides?
[23:39] <knome> see the support slides
[23:40] <knome> and the mouse at the bottom
[23:40] <knome> guess you missed that cool feature there :P
[23:41] <slickymaster> are you referring to the arrows in the bottom right to navigate back and forth?
[23:41] <knome> no
[23:41] <knome> the mouse art
[23:41] <knome> on the first slide you see the tail
[23:41] <slickymaster> ah, now I see it
[23:42] <knome> and on the second slide you see the nose
[23:42] <knome> yeah, isn't it nice :P
[23:42] <slickymaster> yes it is
[23:42] <knome> ties the two slides together nicely
[23:42] <slickymaster> exactly
[23:42] <knome> unless your eyes are made out of wood
[23:42] <slickymaster> damn your designer eyes
[23:42] <knome> haha
[23:42] <knome> not designer eyes
[23:42] <knome> just eyes with any sight left
[23:42] <knome> ;)
[23:43] <slickymaster> yeah, the first three slides lack that
[23:43] <knome> yep
[23:43] <knome> and tbh, the panel slide, while it's useful, is not really working like that
[23:43] <slickymaster> what is escaping you?
[23:43] <knome> and i'm not referring the title being at the bottom
[23:43] <knome> i kind of like that we're challenging the user
[23:44] <knome> because otherwise it's a boring slideshow
[23:44] <slickymaster> yes
[23:44] <knome> doesn't the slide feel a bit too cramped?
[23:44] <knome> maybe it's something related to the black boxes
[23:44] <slickymaster> well, I wouldn't go so far
[23:45] <slickymaster> but it kind of diverges from the rest in some aspects
[23:45] <knome> yes
[23:45] <knome> it *is* cramped compared to the rest :P
[23:45] <slickymaster> lol
[23:45] <slickymaster> alright, cramped
[23:45] <slickymaster> but let's get back to the first one
[23:45] <knome> sure
[23:46] <knome> i'm working on the app slide as we speak
[23:46] <slickymaster> I think the icons are too big
[23:46] <knome> and the artwork has been used since 2012
[23:46] <slickymaster> and I'm not talking about breakage
[23:46] <knome> which is why i didn't bother aligning it
[23:47] <slickymaster> but their size is way to big
[23:47] <knome> i think it's "OK" informative, but otoh, it doesn't tell too much
[23:47] <slickymaster> lost you now
[23:47] <slickymaster> are talking about the text in the first slide?
[23:47] <knome> the artwork
[23:47] <knome> i mean it does kind of explain what xubuntu is
[23:48] <knome> in a very black and white way, but still
[23:48] <slickymaster> ah, that's what I was also talking about
[23:48] <knome> i know :P
[23:48] <knome> that's why i also talked about it...
[23:48] <slickymaster> I agree with you
[23:48] <knome> so it's not essential to have it
[23:48] <slickymaster> but that's has been the universal xubuntu equation since I remember
[23:48] <knome> but the reason why it is there is because we haven't come up with a better alternative
[23:49] <knome> except if you interpret it literally, it's wrong
[23:49] <knome> (but let's not go into that discussion...)
[23:49] <slickymaster> lol
[23:49] <knome> mostly because we can't explain what xubuntu is in one slide
[23:49] <knome> especially not the one that starts the slideshow
[23:50] <slickymaster> is it (javascript speaking) possible to have some type of animation with those icons?
[23:50] <knome> yes
[23:50] <slickymaster> why not try that
[23:50] <knome> but please remember we are doing animation with icons on the next slide
[23:51] <slickymaster> my idea is that instead of three static icons we could place that equation animated
[23:51] <slickymaster> the ubuntu and xfce icons interacting to produce the xubuntu icon
[23:52] <knome> i was thinking about that
[23:52] <knome> but you know what i ended up thinking
[23:52] <knome> it would look like the circle of friends enclosed and decapitated the mouse
[23:52] <knome> NOT
[23:52] <knome> THAT
[23:52] <slickymaster> it doesn't have to be nothing too fancy, just give it some 
[23:52] <slickymaster> ahahahaha
[23:52] <slickymaster> sort of motion
[23:53] <knome> you have to convince me more before i try something like that :P
[23:53] <slickymaster> well, we're trying to detach ourselves from our previous concept of slideshows
[23:53] <knome> yes
[23:54] <knome> so why not get rid of the U+X=XU
[23:54] <slickymaster> and we can achive that just with the three icons
[23:55] <knome> but then we are saying the same thing, in a not so clear way
[23:55] <slickymaster> it doesn't have to be a moving Ubu icon interacting with a xfce icon to produce a xub icon
[23:55] <knome> i understand what you are saying
[23:56] <knome> but i'm not convinced :P
[23:56] <slickymaster> we can, for example have a endeless circular motion between the first two with the third in the middle
[23:56] <knome> :D
[23:56] <slickymaster> like two electrons gravitating it's nucleuos
[23:56] <knome> that would make flocculant puke
[23:56] <slickymaster> ahahhaha
[23:56] <slickymaster> most probably
[23:57] <slickymaster> but you get what I mean
[23:57] <slickymaster> it doesn't have to be an animated equiation
[23:57] <slickymaster> * equation
[23:57] <knome> lol
[23:57] <knome> yeah
[23:57] <knome> the animation can be something more subtlr
[23:57] <knome> subtle
[23:57] <slickymaster> exactly
[23:57] <knome> or it can even be something like the mouse
[23:58] <knome> that kind of doesn't have anything to do with the content
[23:58] <slickymaster> exactly, but it's still there
[23:58] <bluesabre> evennnnning
[23:58] <slickymaster> evening bluesabre 
[23:58] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster
[23:58] <slickymaster> haven't yet saw your suggestions
[23:58] <knome> slickymaster, they are in the pad
[23:59] <slickymaster> url, pretty please
[23:59] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
[23:59] <bluesabre> was just about to paste that