[00:15] <clivejo> sgclark: I just created stable and unstable branches for spectacle, would you poke KCI into building it please?
[00:16] <sgclark> lol, this script takes a long time... I would prefer if we could do these all at once\
[00:18] <sgclark> running..
[00:21] <clivejo> Im just shouting them out as I see them
[00:22] <clivejo> trying to figure out what is wrong with them!
[00:23] <sgclark> its fine. just tired.
[00:25] <clivejo> kactivitymanagerd : 00:22:13 ERROR: Couldn't find any revision to build. Verify the repository and branch configuration for this job.
[00:25] <clivejo> whats that mean?
[00:29] <sgclark> clivejo: it means it cannot find the branch specified. let me look
[00:30] <clivejo> which branch?
[00:30] <clivejo> debian git or kde git
[00:30] <sgclark> nope it is failing @ kde git
[00:32] <sgclark> yep only has a  master branch and it is trying to pull Plasma 5.5
[00:32] <sgclark> lets see
[00:50] <sgclark> clivejo: I created a pull request to fix that, unfortunately blue systems aka sitter will have to accept it. So probably will not happen till tomorrow. very late on your side of the pond.
[00:51] <clivejo> no prob, need to hit the sack myself!
[00:51] <sgclark> I bet lol
[00:51] <clivejo> KCI is busy now anyways!
[00:57] <sitter> sgclark: pull requests are more bonus than anything. when you run update-projects the only thing that matters is what the yamls in your working directory say
[00:58] <sitter> sgclark: I think you need to rebase your branch
[00:58] <sgclark> oh. that I did not know
[00:58] <sitter> https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/pull/2
[00:58] <sitter> https://github.com/ScarlettGatelyClark/pangea-tooling/commit/5d7fc54c067665f4a4a37be64c9bb0d8485ea2ed that should not be there
[00:59] <sgclark> ugh I do not understand github at all
[00:59]  * sitter reads backlog
[00:59] <sgclark> all I wanted to update was base.yaml
[01:00] <sitter> sgclark: gem install git-up, then use git up instead of git pull ;)
[01:00] <sitter> 9/10 times git up will make smarter decisions about what to do
[01:00] <sgclark> ok
[01:00] <sitter> anyway
[01:00] <sitter> sgclark: that change actually is wrong
[01:00] <sitter> kactivitymanagerd has no stable branch
[01:00] <sgclark> interesting
[01:00] <sitter> only gets one with 5.6 I presume
[01:01] <sgclark> I did not say stable branch. I said master
[01:01] <sitter> yeah, you are mapping kubuntu_*stable* to upstream master
[01:01] <sitter> which is conceptually wrong
[01:01] <sgclark> oh.
[01:01] <sgclark> I see the error of my ways now
[01:02] <sitter> the problem with that is that it will later prevent kactivitymanagerd from using the common plasma stable branch btw, so that would cause head scratching
[01:03] <sitter> sgclark: what you probably want to do is drop the kubuntu_stable branch from the packaging repo
[01:03] <sitter> and remove the jobs
[01:03] <sitter> ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb might help with that
[01:04] <sgclark> I do not have perms to delete branches
[01:04] <sitter> doesn't everyone have?
[01:04] <sgclark> ugh
[01:04] <sitter> you just have to disable the hook manually first I think
[01:04] <sitter> ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb --keep-merger --type stable --dist wily --dist xenial kactivitymanagerd
[01:05] <sitter> that should sort jenkins 
[01:05] <sitter> (I think ;)
[01:05] <sgclark> my head hurts. don't we have a release manager around here?! ... I will have to look at this 
[01:06] <sgclark> diable the hook. what does that mean exactly?
[01:06] <sgclark> git hook somewhere?
[01:06] <sitter> on git.debian.org go into the repo dir and move hooks hooks.bak
[01:06] <sitter> then push
[01:06] <sitter> then move back
[01:07] <sitter> or ask maxy how he does it. I don't actually recall having to move hooks out of the way
[01:07] <sitter> so maybe there is more to it
[01:07] <sgclark> I have not actually tried to delete. was just told that
[01:09] <sitter> sgclark: just try it xD
[01:10] <sgclark> yeah I will, got 50 thousand things going on. + my brain is scrambled with a migraine
[01:11] <sitter> if we still had a bot I'd order you some drugs
[01:11] <sitter> alas
[01:11] <ScottK> sitter: maybe a fez.
[01:12] <sitter> a fez does not help with a migraine silly :P
[01:15] <sgclark> delete was a success. now to expunge.rb
[01:18] <sgclark> died at lp call... investigating
[01:19] <sitter> sgclark: you need to setup an lp token for that
[01:19] <sitter> but you don't really need that anyway
[01:19] <sitter> jenkins happesn first
[01:19] <sitter> and since the jobs never created any valid builds there is nothing on lp anyway
[01:19] <sgclark> o
[01:19] <sgclark> k
[01:21] <sitter> sgclark: didn't the lp thingy tell you to go to some url to authenticate?
[01:22] <sgclark> I see it in console but it zoomed past the type done and hit enter and never opened webpage or let me type.
[01:22] <sgclark> like it usually would
[01:22] <sgclark> one sec
[01:22] <sitter> you have to run it again to get a new url
[01:23] <sitter> actaully it running past the typing input is weird
[01:23] <sitter> sounds buggish xd
[01:23] <sgclark> ran again, same error, but I thought it was not needed
[01:23] <sgclark> now I am confused
[01:23] <sitter> sgclark: yeah, but something to look into
[01:24] <sgclark> ok, yes I thought the skipping user input odd
[01:25] <sitter> https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/blob/master/ci-tooling/lib/lp.rb#L102
[01:25] <sitter> the weird thing is... even if io doesn't work that should infinite loop
[01:25] <sitter> unless it actually reads done that loop never ends
[01:25] <sitter> very peculiar
[01:25] <sgclark> that is the way I read it. but I never typed done lo
[01:26] <sgclark> oh
[01:26] <sgclark> wait
[01:27] <sgclark> lp.rb:104:in `gets' No such file or directory
[01:27]  * sitter watching tv program in mandarin. takes forever. nothing but waiting to do
[01:27] <sitter> sgclark: oO
[01:27] <sgclark> @ rb_sysopen
[01:27] <sitter> sgclark: do you pipe this command something?
[01:28] <sgclark> sitter: I copied your command above
[01:28] <sitter> that sounds like it can't open stdin for reading... wtf...
[01:28] <sgclark> (05:04:54 PM) sitter: ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb --keep-merger --type stable --dist wily --dist xenial kactivitymanagerd
[01:29] <sgclark> umm actually it seems like it is trying to open kactivitymanagerd hah. let me paste this for you
[01:30] <sitter> aaaaaaaaaaah
[01:30] <sitter> I think we leave kactivitymanagerd in ARGV
[01:30] <sitter> and gets then reads that
[01:30] <sitter> sgclark: run irb
[01:30] <sgclark> sitter: paste.ubuntu.com/15263932/
[01:30] <sitter> that brings up a prompt
[01:30] <sgclark> ok
[01:30] <sitter> then paste this https://paste.kde.org/pn7julrmj
[01:31] <sitter> then you should get the auth business and it should wait for your done input ;)
[01:31] <sitter> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Kernel.html#method-i-gets xD
[01:32] <sitter> we leave the dangling stuff in ARGV and gets then pops it and gets all confused ^^
[01:32] <sgclark> yep that was it
[01:32] <sitter> will fix tomororw
[01:32] <sitter> somewhat for a corner case
[01:33] <sgclark> lol I am a corner case! always and forever
[01:34] <sgclark> ok that is fixed now. thanks
[01:36] <sitter> also wrote down for future admisn https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/wiki/Launchpad-Config
[01:36] <sgclark> thanks!
[01:37] <sgclark> so you can toss my pull request. thanks for the help. 
[01:58] <ScottK> sitter: I thought a fez helped with everything.
[09:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <clivejo> morning lordievader
[09:45] <lordievader> Hey clivejo, how are you?
[09:45] <clivejo> sgclark: mind if I stage plasma 5.5.5?
[09:45] <clivejo> cold and sleepy!
[09:57] <clivejo> lordievader: what about you?
[09:58] <lordievader> Doing good here, fighting with kdeconnect.
[10:00] <clivejo> oh?
[10:01] <lordievader> My kio  is probably missing something, when trying to browse the phone it complains that it doesn't know kdeconnect.
[10:02] <lordievader> Guess, I
[10:02] <clivejo> Im using a package from KCI, seems to be working fine
[10:02] <lordievader> I'll use Airdroid for file transfer.
[10:02] <lordievader> clivejo: I'm running Gentoo ;)
[10:03] <clivejo> ah
[10:03] <soee> clivejo: she probable sleeping right now :)
[10:03] <soee> yofel: can we stage 5.5.5 ?
[10:04] <clivejo> soee: he told me to ask sgclark
[10:05] <soee> ah.. ok :)
[10:06]  * clivejo considers staging it locally
[10:07] <clivejo> or maybe upload to my PPA instead
[10:09] <soee> maybe i don't know about something but why it can't be uploaded to staging just likt this? :)
[10:09] <soee> does ot break anything ?
[10:10] <clivejo> The release managers need to know all thats going on for future planning
[10:11] <clivejo> if packages needed for a release (archive) havent been copied out a new version deletes the old one 
[10:12] <clivejo> someone has to keep track of it all
[10:13] <clivejo> and all this is voluntary and done by very busy people in their spare time  
[10:14] <soee> ok so we have something waiting for upload to archive but then shouldn't it be pending in testing ppa and staging should be free for next version upload ?
[10:15] <clivejo> soee: Im not sure, I havent been at this long enough to know the potential pitfalls
[10:15] <clivejo> all i know is that this FFE is a major log jam for development
[10:16] <soee> yup :) also i don't get it why we have to wait so long for the response
[10:16] <clivejo> me neither
[10:16] <soee> are we sure they get our messages ?
[10:16] <clivejo> soee: I have no idea
[10:20] <clivejo> As sgclark is on the UCC I assume she would know who to poke and so forth, its something Ive never done before and dont understand the process
[10:22] <valorie> !ffe
[10:23] <clivejo> valorie: are you up late or up early?!?
[10:24] <valorie> too late
[10:24] <clivejo> eakkk
[10:24] <clivejo> get some sleep!
[10:24] <clivejo> you have a meeting in the morning!
[10:24] <valorie> gads, that has so many steps
[10:24] <valorie> well, I'll set my alarm for that, but no promises
[10:26] <clivejo> what is the process for getting software into the archive?
[10:27] <valorie> sponsorship
[10:27] <valorie> which is why some of the kubuntu devels also became/will become MOTU
[10:27] <clivejo> I kinda feel like Im wasting my time packaging digikam calligra etc as it doesnt seem to get into the archive
[10:28] <valorie> Ubuntu Developer is as difficult as Debian Developer I think
[10:28] <valorie> ?
[10:28] <valorie> you are getting it to our users
[10:28] <clivejo> not much use in my PPA!
[10:28] <valorie> yes, I guess you have to get testing first?
[10:29] <valorie> that FFe page gives a link to the sponsorship process
[10:29] <valorie> I believe it's pretty much the same in Debian
[10:30] <valorie> you make your package and then ask for sponsorship, and the sponsor DD works with you to make it perfect
[10:30] <valorie> the more you do that, the closer you get to Developer status
[11:27] <clivejo> sitter: ^^ that kpat build had an SSLError, is that a LP problem?
[11:31] <clivejo> also, is there a way to push something to the front of the queue
[11:55] <kfunk> asked this yesterday already? will there be an update to kdepim in near future? even 16.10 is stuck at 5.0.2 afaics
[12:01] <clivejo> kfunk: well apps 16.04 are due out in April
[12:01] <clivejo> and there looks to be some big changes in PIM
[12:02] <kfunk> ugh, and I meant 16.04 of course :)
[12:02] <clivejo> I mean KDE Applications 16.04, not Kubuntu 16.04(Xenial)
[12:03] <kfunk> right, I was referring to the Xenial version of course.
[12:07]  * kfunk is heavily confused about kdepim's release schedule. it's supposed to be part of kde apps, right? but I don't see source tarballs of kdepim related apps in any of 15.08 and 15.12, for instance
[12:07] <kfunk> e.g. no kontact here: http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.12.2/src/
[12:08] <clivejo> its bunched up into a few different tars
[12:09] <clivejo> kdepim, kdepim-runtime, kdepimlibs
[12:10] <clivejo> kfunk: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kontact
[12:10] <clivejo> built by kdepim
[12:11] <kfunk> ah, right. sure
[12:12] <kfunk> ok, right. 15.08.2 is what I have right now (on xenial), which has the internal version 5.0.2.
[12:12] <clivejo> I dont know why or what that internal version is all about!
[12:14] <kfunk> well, doesn't matter indeed. it's just what `kontact --version` spits out here. 
[12:18] <kfunk> so, I guess the correct question would be: why's Xenial still stuck with KDE Apps 15.08; and when will it get 15.12 or 16.04? :)
[12:21] <clivejo> kfunk: Because KDEPIM 15.12.2 has caused us problems
[12:21] <clivejo> and Xenial is now in Feature Freeze
[12:22] <kfunk> :\
[12:22] <clivejo> so we cant add it, even if we wanted to!
[12:22] <kfunk> that... sucks.
[12:22] <clivejo> We have a FFE open, but no reply yet
[12:22] <clivejo> we were going to release apps 15.12.2 without PIM
[12:23] <kfunk> question: does korganizer work for you at all atm?
[12:23] <clivejo> kontact works for me, yes
[12:23] <kfunk> korganizer, to be exact. it just crashes here when opening
[12:23] <kfunk> and this crash is confirmed by multiple other users in BKO
[12:23] <clivejo> what version of kdepim is installed?
[12:24] <kfunk> 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[12:25] <clivejo> same as mine
[12:25] <kfunk> no crash?
[12:25] <kfunk> when starting `korganizer`?
[12:25] <kfunk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352256 fwiw
[12:26] <clivejo> nope, opens Kontact in Calendar view
[12:26] <clivejo> and I can see all my appointments and Kolab tasks
[12:28] <kfunk> ok. if ubuntu is really stuck at 15.08.2 I need to dig into the issue and patch this particular version. korganizer is unusable right now.
[12:28] <kfunk> sigh
[12:29] <clivejo> what version plasma and frameworks you on?
[12:30] <clivejo> does kmail work?
[12:31] <kfunk> yep
[12:31] <clivejo> sounds like might be a missing dep for calendar
[12:32] <kfunk> akregator is crashy as well, though. (didn't dig into it yet, though. just happens for one particular feed entry)
[12:32] <clivejo> akregator has caused me problems
[12:32] <kfunk> I'll check... I thought I'd be just happily receiving updates and the issues would vanish, but apparently that's not the case ;)
[12:32] <clivejo> but only certain feeds due to a weird SSL cert
[12:34] <kfunk> I've already patched akonadi-server locally (because it has a pretty serious issue with unread-mails counting when ignored threads are involved...)
[12:34] <kfunk> tl;dr: lots of issues in KDEPIM 15.08.2
[12:34] <clivejo> kfunk: upstream are doing a lot of work moving libs out of kdepimlibs into akonadi
[12:36] <clivejo> kfunk: do you know how the packages interact?
[12:37] <kfunk> roughly
[12:37] <kfunk> honestly, I just want my kdepim to work. I'm busy enough with other things :\
[12:37] <clivejo> kfunk: check out http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[12:37] <clivejo> thats our progress on apps 15.12.1
[12:38] <clivejo> basically the red packages are what we are having issues with
[12:39] <clivejo> Ive just moved in KCI builds of libkolab and libkolabxml and retrying kdepim-runtime against that
[12:41] <clivejo> Ill go have some lunch while that builds
[12:41]  * clivejo fingers crossed
[12:41] <kfunk> clivejo: where's the FFE? I'd like to subscribe
[12:41] <kfunk> indeed.
[12:41] <kfunk> thanks for the hard work 
[12:43] <clivejo> sgclark filed it, cant remember which package it was against :/
[12:46] <clivejo> Bug 1547571
[12:47] <clivejo> I think thats it
[13:09] <justin_time> Hi, I have a FFe for the tomahawk-player package, now. I'm looking for a sponsor for this package. The Kubuntu Developers maintained the old tomahawk package and so could you sponsor this package, too? This package replace the old tomahawk package because of a name conflict with a different tomahawk package in the debian sources. 
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:36] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[14:03] <kipropesque> hello
[14:39] <yofel> justin_time: the maintainer field is just plain wrong. We did look after it a long time ago, but nobody here has upload permissions for tomahawk right now. That's why I pointed you to the MOTU team which is the fallback maintainer in this case.
[14:39] <yofel> so, it's not that we're ignoring you, we just can't help you
[14:40] <justin_time> yofel: oh ok, thank you for the explanation! But how can it be, that the maintainer has no upload permission?
[14:41] <ScottK> justin_time: The Kubuntu team has had a lot of turnover recently.
[14:41] <yofel> justin_time: upload permissions aren't by-maintainer, but by package set. And the package is not in our "supported" package lsit
[14:41] <ScottK> Permissions are individual based, not team based.
[14:41] <justin_time> ah ok, I thought they are team based.
[14:42] <justin_time> thanks for your help anyway! I try to find a sponsor on ubuntu-motu, but this is quite difficult!
[14:43] <yofel> the update is properly listed in the sponsorship queue at least. So it's really finding someone for the upload
[14:45] <justin_time> Does anyone of you know a sponsor who could help me?
[14:50] <clivejo> anyone know why this failed - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244999616/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kdepim-runtime_4%3A15.12.1-2ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa6_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:54] <ScottK> clivejo: The errors start with ../../../resources/kolab/kolabhelpers.cpp:88:9: error: 'KContacts' has not been declared
[14:55] <ScottK> Possible missing build-depends or a header file left out.
[14:56]  * clivejo cries
[15:39] <sgclark> yofel: can you see if kdevelop* can be a direct sync from debian
[15:52] <yofel> sgclark: I'll get back to you once I did
[15:53] <sgclark> thanks\
[16:04] <sgclark> hmm framework kactvities depends on plasma kactivitymanagerd. That is going to be a nightmare..
[16:04] <yofel> we will need to carefully review the versioned deps when uploading
[16:05] <yofel> plasma deps on frameworks, apps on frameworks, frameworks on apps, plasma on frameworks, frameworks on plasma
[16:05] <yofel> enjoy
[16:05] <sgclark> different release schedules too..
[16:05] <sgclark> good grief
[16:37] <sitter> yofel, clivejo, sgclark: I am rolling out a new oauth gem shortly, keep an eye on possible oauth failure for the next couple of days please
[16:38] <sgclark> okies
[16:41] <tsdgeos> sgclark: it doesn't "depend" on it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> it's useless without it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> but can be built without it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> or that's what i understand
[16:41] <sgclark> ummm ok. clear as mud :)
[16:42] <tsdgeos> no really it's very simple
[16:42] <tsdgeos> but whatever
[16:42] <sgclark> wow. did I do something?
[16:42] <sgclark> or lack thereof?
[16:42] <tsdgeos> clear as mud :)
[16:43] <tsdgeos> is not a very encouraging sentence
[16:43] <sgclark> well I am trying to package. do we need it or not your explaination says both.
[16:43] <sgclark> clear as mud
[16:44] <sgclark> whatever. I am busy with my kde hat atm.
[16:44] <tsdgeos> as said
[16:44] <tsdgeos> wahtever
[16:44] <tsdgeos> and you got angry but you can watherver me ;)
[16:46] <sgclark> if it is useless without it, says to me it does depend on it. Ok done. moving on. thanks for your input tsdgeos. We can be friends again.
[16:46]  * sgclark goes for more coffee.
[16:59] <genii> mmm coffee
[17:42] <clivejo> sgclark: regarding http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kactivities/ dont we need that package?
[17:45] <sgclark> of course we do. clearly something went wrong. investigating
[17:48] <sgclark> me and git add do not get along it seems.
[18:53] <soee> Plasma 5.6 beta out :)
[18:54] <sgclark> heh
[18:56] <soee> sgclark: clivejo asked earlier if we can stage 5.5.5 
[18:56] <soee> are there any objections ?
[18:57] <sgclark> No. we need Ffe approved and this stuff in archive. Or we will have to file another and start all over.
[18:57] <sgclark> At this rate we will not have an xenial release.
[19:02] <claydoh> is there something holding up the ffe?
[19:02] <sgclark> ubuntu-release team
[19:03] <sgclark> no activity at all from them
[19:03] <soee> can we somehow catch them and chat with them ?
[19:04] <sgclark> clivejo tried without luck
[19:04] <ScottK> What's the bug number?
[19:05] <soee> so maybe we should talk with other team/group  
[19:05] <clivejo> is there a link to Core Meeting?
[19:05] <soee> maybe they could get in touch with this ffe team 
[19:05] <sgclark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/1547571
[19:06] <ScottK> The "FFe team" is the Ubuntu release team.
[19:06] <clivejo> The only reply I got was "sending bribes to release team postal addresses usually works"
[19:06] <sgclark> ScottK: ^
[19:06] <ScottK> sgclark: You've (the collective you) tested all this, right?
[19:07] <sgclark> ScottK:  yep. For weeks now. 
[19:07] <ScottK> thanks.  I figured, but just checking.
[19:08] <clivejo> sgclark: does pim build if we drop kolab support?
[19:08] <ScottK> sgclark: It'd probably be good to describe the testing you've done in the bug.
[19:08] <sgclark> clivejo: At this time I am releasing without.  If you want to try to build without kolab go ahead.
[19:09] <clivejo> just seems to be what debian have done
[19:10] <sgclark> ScottK Ok. I will asap
[19:12] <clivejo> does anyone know any of them to give them a personal poke?
[19:12] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+mugshots
[19:13] <soee> since few days autocomplete for commands stopped working for me ... someone can confirm this on Xenial ?
[19:13] <ScottK> clivejo: I just did.
[19:14] <clivejo> :) thanks ScottK
[19:59] <clivejo> sgclark: rebuild with libkolab-dev removed but its still FTBFS
[20:00] <clivejo> sgclark: is there any way to force a package to jump the queue and build?
[20:00] <sgclark> ok. removing pim from Ffe. We will have to backport when the time comes. We will point all the angry peeps upstream haha
[20:01] <sgclark> jump the que? in jenkins? no not without priority plugin. And I do not know enough about their setup to starting adding plugins.
[20:01] <clivejo> oh wait, its missing files its failing on!
[20:02] <sgclark> oooh
[20:02]  * sgclark holds on removing pim
[20:02] <clivejo> the kolab stuff
[20:02] <clivejo> if I remove them from *.install it might just work!
[20:02] <clivejo> gimme a sec
[20:02] <sgclark> k
[20:03] <clivejo> and ovidiu-florin send me a podcast link!
[20:03]  * sgclark is watching
[20:03] <clivejo> got a link??
[20:03] <clivejo> Im missing it!
[20:03] <sgclark> on my phone :(
[20:04] <sgclark> google search Kubuntu podcast?
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> https://youtu.be/oMimKAPRxyM
[20:09] <clivejo> sgclark: what happened akonadi?
[20:10] <sgclark> what do you mean?
[20:10] <clivejo> it was green, now i386 has gone red :/
[20:10] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[20:11] <sgclark> build-essential but it is not going to be installed uh. that is not me!! upstream hiccup? trying rebuild.
[20:12] <clivejo> weird!
[20:12] <sgclark> yeah build-essential is a bit essential haha
[20:46] <clivejo> has anyone been brave enough to add the apps staging PPA?
[20:52] <clivejo> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/9289629
[20:52]  * clivejo dances!!
[20:52] <sgclark> woohoo
[20:53] <clivejo> and akonadi is green too :)
[20:54] <clivejo> do you know whats up with kdesdk-kioslaves ?
[20:54] <clivejo> link - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/8934114
[20:55] <sgclark> clivejo:  ftbfs deleting it
[20:55] <sgclark> clivejo: do you know how to do kde-l10n?
[20:55] <mamarley> clivejo: You asked earlier about the apps staging PPA, I am using it.
[20:55] <clivejo> mamarley: how you getting on with it?
[20:56] <mamarley> clivejo: I haven't had any big issues.  gwenview is currently un-installable though.
[20:56] <mamarley> That is the only thing I have noticed.  I don't use pim or akonadi though.
[20:56] <sgclark> mamarley: that sounds important, can you paste a log?
[20:57] <mamarley> Sure, one sec.
[20:57] <sgclark> thanks
[20:57] <soee> sgclark: is all as i wrote in the comment https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JDRichards/posts/Ftih1UUL2Jk ?
[20:58] <mamarley> sgclark: https://paste.kde.org/pjkox3vz7
[20:59] <sgclark> soee: look good
[20:59] <sgclark> looks*
[20:59] <claydoh> clivejo: last I tried staging-applications, kdepim was borked. Is that working? I needs my kmail lol
[21:00] <clivejo> claydoh: it might still be borked
[21:00] <clivejo> looking for testers!
[21:00] <clivejo> I use it heavily and dont fancy risking it!
[21:01] <mamarley> That's what ppa-purge is for.
[21:01] <clivejo> mamarley: would you mind being a guinea pig?
[21:01] <mamarley> clivejo: For what?
[21:01] <clivejo> kontact
[21:01] <genii> "things" ;)
[21:01] <clivejo> see if it installs
[21:02] <claydoh> ppa-purge didn't work to fix the pim stuff, left bits behind I think had to dig out the new ones and uninstall, reinstall the previous
[21:02] <claydoh> clivejo: Im diving in  ow
[21:02] <claydoh> n ow
[21:02] <clivejo> akonadi is very fussy
[21:03] <mamarley> clivejo: There aren't any dependency conflicts, but I don't want to test actually installing it on this computer.
[21:03] <clivejo> even if you can ppa-purge, it can mess up email accounts and other settings
[21:03] <mamarley> Yeah, that's true.
[21:03] <clivejo> which I currently dont have time to fix
[21:03] <clivejo> I just feel lucky its working now!
[21:03] <claydoh> thats no big edeal for me, imap means I can just start fresh
[21:04] <clivejo> plus I use kolab
[21:04] <clivejo> and Ive had to disable it in this build 15.12.1
[21:14] <clivejo> claydoh: any feedback?
[21:14] <claydoh> not done downloading yet
[21:15] <clivejo> holding my breath over here!
[21:23] <claydoh> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a15.12.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[21:23] <claydoh>  trying to overwrite '/etc/xdg/korganizer.knsrc', which is also in package korganizer 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[21:23] <claydoh> easily fixed
[21:31] <claydoh> ok lots of these
[21:31] <sgclark> claydoh: can you pastebin them all, we need to fix them
[21:31] <claydoh> ok
[21:32] <sgclark> thanks!
[21:32] <clivejo> sgclark: can you teach me
[21:32] <sgclark> Breaks and Replaces? go look at my last few akonadi commits
[21:34] <claydoh> I stopped after a bit, too many
[21:34] <claydoh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15270077/
[21:35] <sgclark> only way we can find them is trial and error :( thanks for those though
[21:36] <clivejo> such a mess!
[21:37] <sgclark> yeah because they split the libs. thinking.
[21:38] <sgclark> hmm or is it. I am going to try in a vm, something is missing on that paste. but very helpful nonetheless.
[21:39] <sgclark> why would kmail have all those files.. is what I want to know
[21:47] <clivejo> so weird
[21:47] <clivejo> look at the build log - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/242561853/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kdepim_4%3A15.12.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:48] <clivejo> its installing it into both kmail and korganizer
[21:49] <clivejo> ah, wildcard in kmail.install
[21:49] <clivejo> etc/xdg
[21:52] <clivejo> need to remove that line
[21:52] <clivejo> sgclark: want me to do it?
[21:52] <sgclark> clivejo: sure, nice catch :)
[21:53] <Rick_Timmis> Packaging party !! -> https://plus.google.com/b/112102796730023795852/events/cvp1pmljbvron5tn4i0qcdo10ns
[21:53] <Rick_Timmis> please share this were ever you can
[21:54]  * sgclark shares
[21:54] <ahoneybun> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6/download.png
[21:54] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, ^
[21:59] <clivejo> sgclark: did you manage to get to bottom of gwenview problem?
[22:00] <sgclark> err no not yet, got distracted. It is red so I was starting there
[22:00] <clivejo> its green here - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[22:01] <sgclark> well yeah but it doesn't install I hear
[22:01] <clivejo> did you see mamarley paste - https://paste.kde.org/pjkox3vz7
[22:01] <sgclark> it is red in unstable
[22:01] <clivejo> any clues?
[22:02] <sgclark> well no not really.
[22:02] <sgclark> except wasnt ksnapshot removed?
[22:02] <clivejo> I cant see whats wrong with it :/
[22:03] <clivejo> its replaced
[22:03] <sgclark> repaced rather?
[22:03] <clivejo> with spectacle
[22:03] <sgclark> well that is the only thing that stands out. not sure how to fix, yofel? help!!
[22:04] <clivejo> debian are calling it kde-spectacle due to name conflict
[22:04] <yofel> the paste looks about right?
[22:04] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/9015831
[22:05] <sgclark> it does? so is the user suppose to pick 1? I don't know, I wouldnt expect a user to know
[22:06] <yofel> ksnapshot is qt4, thus uses old kipi. gwenview is qt5 now and uses new kipi. And it seems like the 2 kipi's aren't co-installable
[22:06] <yofel> so that's about the expected result
[22:07] <yofel> something *should* install kde-spectacle. Not sure what though
[22:07] <yofel> on a release scope I would solve it through the seed, which needs an update anyway
[22:08] <clivejo> whois 37.130.231.221
[22:08] <sgclark> ok
[22:08] <sgclark> I dont know clivejo hah
[22:08] <clivejo> a spammer!
[22:08] <clivejo> sorry, wrong window
[22:09] <clivejo> didnt click into my email servers ssh window!
[22:09] <mamarley> Oh, sorry, so I should install "kde-spectacle" and remove "ksnapshot"?
[22:09] <clivejo> who ever they are they being added to my firewall!
[22:10] <sgclark> yeah mamarley
[22:10] <sgclark> we will have to fix seed on release
[22:11] <sgclark> thanks for finding that though :) , very important find for release.
[22:11] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/spectacle.git/plain/debian/control?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[22:11] <clivejo> should the control file not have a breaks ksnapshot?
[22:11] <mamarley> sgclark: OK, sorry for the false error report.
[22:12] <sgclark> it was not false at all. excellent find!
[22:12] <sgclark> mamarley: ^^
[22:12] <yofel> clivejo: what for? The appropriate breaks are in place already
[22:12] <clivejo> mamarley: we need to fix these, all very info is very useful
[22:12] <yofel> and AFAIK, it doesn't really break anything in the ksnapshot package
[22:13] <clivejo> what actually pulls in spectacle?
[22:13] <yofel> if anything, a Replaces for the keyboard shortcut file maybe? I don't remember if they're the same file
[22:13] <yofel> nothing probably
[22:13] <yofel> right now
[22:14] <yofel> it should be a recommends of kubuntu-desktop eventually
[22:14] <sgclark> does gwenview? 
[22:14] <sgclark> why did gwenview trigger a vbreak?
[22:14] <yofel> kipi
[22:15] <clivejo> kio-extras?
[22:15] <sgclark> oh right makes sense
[22:15] <sgclark> nah needed new kipi and snapshot depended on the kipi installed
[22:15] <sgclark> makes sense
[22:16] <sgclark> so snapshot needs to be removed on anything that depends on new kipi.. somehow  I dont know how to pull that off
[22:16] <sgclark> or replaced with spectacle rather
[22:17] <yofel> kde-spectacle having a transitional ksnapshot package would be one idea. Would need a version override though
[22:17] <yofel> maxyz: how are you replacing it?
[22:18] <clivejo> with fire!
[22:21] <genii> !info kde-spectacle
[22:21] <genii> hm
[22:22] <clivejo> doesnt exist in xenial either!
[22:22] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle xenial
[22:22] <clivejo> see :P
[22:30] <valorie> clivejo: thanks for the link to the FFe
[22:30] <valorie> I've subscribed and added a comment
[22:32] <clivejo> yofel: will you ship PIM with kolab disabled or not ship it at all?
[22:32] <yofel> considering the state it's in I would not upload kdepim* and akonadi* at all
[22:33] <yofel> otherwise you know more about it then I do, what's your opinion on it?
[22:34] <clivejo> Im not sure, personally with kolab disabled its of no use to me.  But for others I think disabled is better than nothing
[22:35] <clivejo> some people are experiencing crashed with archive version
[22:35] <clivejo> 15.08 I think it is
[22:35] <sgclark> yeah that one is broken
[22:36] <sgclark> if we can get it in without kolab and add kolab back in on point release I think that is better than nothing
[22:36] <sgclark> clivejo: were you able to fix that install file?
[22:36] <clivejo> kmail.install yes
[22:36] <clivejo> rebuilding now
[22:37] <sgclark> cool thanks, need to test that
[22:37] <clivejo> the gwenview issue, I have no idea what is even wrong
[22:37] <sgclark> then I will make a final test call tonight and add results to Ffe
[22:38] <clivejo> :)
[22:38]  * clivejo fingers crossed
[22:39] <sgclark> gwenview itself is not broken. kipi is not coinstallable with its qt4 versio which in turn break ksnapshot, which really should be replaced with kde-spectacle
[22:39] <sgclark> wow that is a mouthful haha
[22:39] <clivejo> say that fast with a gobble stopper :P
[22:39] <sgclark> lol
[22:39] <clivejo> gobb
[22:40] <sgclark> question is though is that enough to stop an ffe from going through?
[22:42] <yofel> is kde-spectacle listed in the FFE? In general, it shouldn't stop it
[22:42] <sgclark> it is
[22:55] <clivejo> anyone shed any light on why this is failing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/245143734/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kwin_4%3A5.5.4+git20160302.2113+16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:57] <sgclark> class KWayland::Server::SeatInterface' has no member named 'isDragPointer'  
[22:58] <sgclark> perhaps it needs new kwayland?
[22:58] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwayland/
[22:58] <clivejo> wayland is green
[22:59] <clivejo> seems to be building ok
[22:59]  * sgclark looks if green upstream
[23:00] <sgclark> well unstable. but that is not it
[23:00] <sgclark> got me!
[23:00] <clivejo> me too
[23:00] <sgclark> maybe wayland itself is too old?
[23:00] <clivejo> Im just checking that
[23:01] <sgclark> lol cool
[23:01] <clivejo> building kwayland-dev_5.5.4+git20160302.0141+16.04-0_amd64.deb
[23:06] <clivejo> kdepim has built, but I have missed two files
[23:06] <clivejo> if I upload the fix now, will it affect the publishing?
[23:07] <sgclark> publishing?
[23:07] <sgclark> the fix needs to be put in regardless
[23:08] <clivejo> it takes over an hour to build
[23:09] <clivejo> will I just go ahead and upload to LP?
[23:10] <sgclark> yes please
[23:10] <clivejo> done
[23:11] <clivejo> the previous package, if it gets published should resolve those errors claydoh seeing
[23:12] <sgclark> eek
[23:12] <clivejo> the new kdepim is very broken!
[23:13] <clivejo> lots of libs migrated out to akonadi
[23:13] <sgclark> stable should not be affected by that though
[23:14] <sgclark> patch failed
[23:14] <clivejo> LOl stable has been broken for months!
[23:15] <sgclark> oy
[23:15] <clivejo> PIM is like a black magic
[23:16] <sgclark> hmm stable should match what is in staging. something is surely amiss
[23:18] <sgclark> though I agree is pim is the reason for my nightmares every night. 
[23:22] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to sgclark
[23:22] <valorie> I can lend my teddybear if that will help!
[23:27]  * genii breaks out the whiskey
[23:27] <sgclark> all stuffed animals accepted
[23:28] <clivejo> Ill have a whiskey please!
[23:28] <sgclark> o i c commits to Applications/15.12 because they are about to release another point release
[23:28] <sgclark> oh well.
[23:28] <sgclark> we need what we have in archive first. 
[23:28]  * genii slides clivejo a double, neat
[23:29] <sgclark> I am not about to do another Ffe
[23:29] <clivejo> thankyou!
[23:29] <genii> No problemmo
[23:29] <sgclark> hah whiskey makes me more crazy than normal
[23:30] <valorie> crazy is sometimes good
[23:30] <valorie> not sure about in packaging though@
[23:30] <valorie> !
[23:30] <sgclark> lol
[23:31] <sgclark> could make for an interesting release.
[23:31] <genii> My boss gets me a bottle of Jamesons or Glenfiddich every year, I put them in the bottom drawer of my filing cabinet
[23:31] <sgclark> nice! I want a boss like that
[23:31] <clivejo> can we have Konqi with a bottle of whiskey in his hand, in a jolly state?
[23:31] <sgclark> or any boss really.
[23:32] <clivejo> as Senials wallpaper?
[23:32] <genii> BTW I can do a little testing Friday
[23:33] <sgclark> ccool, we like testers
[23:33] <sgclark> more the merrier
[23:36]  * clivejo kicks kci
[23:38] <clivejo> maybe it needs libhybris?
[23:38] <clivejo> !info libhybris-dev xenial
[23:57] <clivejo> I give up!