[00:00] toooo slooooow [00:15] :D [00:15] the slowness never stops [00:15] true [00:17] knome, bluesabre, added my comments to the pad [00:20] slickymaster: cool, going through and commenting more where appropriate [00:20] oki doke bluesabre [00:21] new revision pushed [00:21] give me a sec knome [00:21] to have a smoke [00:21] hahah [00:21] bluesabre, you should get it too, i think i just proved you wrong [00:22] re: "Not really sure if anything can be improved here." === a5m0_ is now known as a5m0 [00:23] knome: :D cloning [00:24] it's ever so slight change, but i think it improves the slide a lot [00:25] * slickymaster opt for a pear instead of smoking [00:26] WAY MUCH BETTER knome [00:26] haha [00:27] as far as I'm concerned the second one is done :) [00:27] so. many. revisions. [00:27] maybe some slight tweaks, but yeah [00:28] did you see my comments in the pad, knome? [00:28] not yet [00:28] in particular the one reagrding the Xubuntu >Desktop slide [00:29] hmh, not sure [00:30] too many animation? [00:31] that might be too busy, and i'm not sure if the user actually needs to see the panel zoomed [00:33] I do see your point knome, but as it is that slide is too much of a wall of text [00:33] then do something else with it [00:37] knome: ahhhh, that's so fancy with the animations [00:37] bluesabre, isn't it [00:37] * bluesabre approves [00:37] the thing i'll do after i've landed all these animations [00:37] is look through the slideshow [00:37] and remove half [00:37] ;P [00:37] :D [00:37] I'd lose those two paragraphs in the 'Xubuntu Desktop' knome [00:38] then it's a very empty slide [00:39] I'd prefer to see there a screenshot of a desktop than some more text [00:41] pushed a new revision [00:41] is the animation for the contribute slide too cheesy? [00:41] lol rolling a cigarette [00:41] hah [00:42] there goes the "pear instead of a cig" one [00:42] already ate the pear that's why [00:42] well yeah.. [00:42] knome: yes, that's too cheesy [00:42] * bluesabre is reminded of early powerpoint presentations [00:42] yeah [00:42] :D [00:43] er [00:43] OpenDocument presentations [00:43] haha [00:43] no, you DID mean powerpoint presentations [00:43] in 1990's [00:43] :D [00:43] :| [00:44] that slide needs a bit of something though [00:47] hey jjfrv8 :) [00:47] hi, knome [00:47] knome: maybe blueprinty something or other [00:47] hey jjfrv8, [00:47] meh [00:47] * bluesabre shrugs [00:47] hey, slicky [00:47] slickymaster, i tried the contribute slide with the contributor docs link, but it became too full [00:47] especially as we need to make sure translations fit too [00:48] knome: we could use shortlinks... does ubuntu have a url shortener? [00:48] I don't like this version of that slide knome [00:49] bluesabre, of course i hid the url itself in a link text :P [00:49] oh right [00:49] :D [00:49] have you considered just showing links and dropping all other text :D [00:49] yes [00:49] i have... [00:49] ah [00:49] bluesabre -> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/libwww-shorten-perl/ [00:50] slickymaster, i think he meant ubuntu.com url [00:50] and yeah, there is one actually, but it's a bit hidden.. [00:50] oh [00:50] well it's actually ubottu.com and also not so secret that one wouldn't be on our topic :P [00:50] knome, you have to rollback the contribute slide to the previous version [00:50] i did that already [00:50] great [00:51] so are there any other options to place the contributor docs links? [00:53] knome: And all over factoids. [00:53] * bluesabre is not so observant it seems [00:53] I put it there. >_> [00:53] :D [00:55] slickymaster, i don't think so (at least not another slide) [00:55] slickymaster, that said, we should make it's more visible on the website than it's now [00:55] (there is practically no link there from any "landing" page...) [00:55] yeaps, another slide isn't a good option [00:55] * knome goes edit the website meanwhile [01:17] last revision for today [01:17] there's this and that cleanup [01:17] and all slides should have the likely final layouts now, without the extra artwork/effects [01:17] * slickymaster checks it before going to bed [01:18] bluesabre, i agree with the customization slide, but what could it be? if it's not something specific, then it's boring general blabber [01:19] bluesabre, though we can tweak the slide nicely, eg. change the background color to pink while on that slide [01:19] knome: I'm not sure [01:20] think about it :) [01:20] i'll do that too while ehmm.. sleeping [01:21] I'm just fighting the Xubuntu Desktop slide [01:21] other than that, I like the overall outcome of the installer [01:22] anyway, bed time for me. Early morning in a few hours [01:22] mañana all [01:22] sleep tight [01:32] nighty! --> [07:05] lots of words [07:09] * flocculant looks at the pictures instead [09:58] flocculant, isn't that what very young and very old people tend to do anyway? [09:58] * knome hides [12:10] morning all [12:10] hello bluesabre [12:11] hey knome [12:11] http://contest.xubuntu.org/ looks nice [12:11] :) [12:11] should put it into some kind of test, then announce the competition [12:12] definitely [12:27] like really soon ... [12:28] flocculant, yeah, i'm writing the mail [12:28] knome: hah [12:28] oh [12:28] hah to not actually needing to read words not the mail :p [12:28] ;) [12:32] flocculant: https://i.imgur.com/89PcVt0.jpg [12:32] bluesabre: ha ha [12:32] :d [12:32] :D [12:33] bluesabre: see what happened is I saw slickymaster ... knome ... ad infinitum [12:33] gotcha [12:33] and thought - mmm - check the last lines :p [12:34] saw slide thought that bzr pull was more than enough words :D [12:34] yup [12:34] bluesabre: g-s > software sources now points to software sources/updates thingy [12:34] yay! [12:35] we might have something usable this week [12:35] so I think that unless the thing completely implodes on Ubuntu then no reason to not go there [12:35] bluesabre: usable now [12:36] flocculant: do you think we should go ahead and swap over for people to start using it a bit? [12:37] well if we don't want to carry on using usc or go backwards to synaptic - then I think we should lose usc and add this as soon as practical :) [12:37] flocculant: then it will be in tomorrow's image (unless there is no internet tonight) [12:38] bluesabre: do you know of the top of your head how usc dealt with dependencies on a removal of something? [12:38] I'm going to load up today's image tonight and look for greybird bugs and missing icons to poke ochosi [12:38] flocculant: I think it just does the same as apt-get remove [12:38] not sure though [12:38] could test that tonight [12:39] bluesabre: I'll look once I'm home then - be quicker [12:39] just want to know if it's the same as g-s mostly [12:39] dpkg -l > old.txt [12:39] install package [12:39] dpkg -l > new.txt [12:40] remove package [12:40] dpkg -l > newer.txt [12:40] and diff away [12:40] :D [12:40] well I was just going to use usc then see if apt-get autoremove says anything :p [12:40] that works [12:40] easier too [12:40] :) [12:40] darn [12:40] ha ha ha [12:40] :D [12:41] time to get ready for work, bbl [12:41] have a day :) [12:51] bluesabre: did it now - looks like usc just leaves behind the configs - gs leaves behind dependencies [12:51] hahah [12:52] I'll check in a clean install though - just in case I did something - if it's right I guess we should do some sort of 'article' [12:52] knome: ^^ [12:52] mhm [12:53] seems -desktop is getting all happy about breeze being default in ubuntu while we're wanting to stop that :D [12:53] heh [12:53] anyway - time to wander again - bbl [12:54] knome: just very very quickly - perhaps a link in that mail re wallpaper might help :) [12:54] flocculant, if you read it, you'd noticed i asked people to be in touch with me [12:55] i don't want everybody and the world to poke their titty-pictures in the site [12:55] ...yet [13:00] flocculant, pull the slideshow [13:00] flocculant, and check the desktop slide especially [13:01] flocculant, the celebration of customization bluesabre talked about could now go there, potentially to replace the paragraphs at the bottom [13:01] ...you'll figure out why [13:03] i'm also thinking that now we might be able to drop the boxes near the panel [13:32] * knome goes set up the contest testsite [13:35] question to people: do we want to show the submissions during the contest, or do we just show the winners once we are done? [13:39] Akxwi-dave, remind me to ask you one more question once i've sent you the mail with instructions [13:41] Could you make Whisker Menu show it's icon label by default (and make it translatable) in Xubuntu default panel layout? My schools' teachers complain that its icon is too small. [13:47] knome, will do... [13:49] knome, personally i would show the finalists [13:50] before cossing winners [13:50] yeah [13:50] i'll have to write a small amount of code then [13:50] i haven't thought too much of that, yet... [13:51] is the team choosing the winners or the public? [13:51] the team or a subportion of the team [13:51] at least that's how it went the last time [13:52] in that case at least you dont have to write a voting system.. :-) [13:52] i did already [13:52] ;) [13:52] should have guessed.. I usually cheat and use a pre written mod for phpnuke or e107 [13:53] heh :) [13:53] since the plugin adds the submission to the wordpress media gallery, it's easy enough to push some metadata for the submissions - and easy enough to write a simple UI for that [14:00] Akxwi-dave, sent mail, and will send the extra questions in a minute [14:07] and those are done too [14:07] Akxwi-dave, and if you are wondering, the instructions are kind of vague for a reason - we want the site to be so usable that we don't need to write long instructions [14:07] cheers amte [14:08] np [14:10] right bbl.. gotta drive to another office.. [14:10] hf [14:10] ;-) [14:10] ...if possible [14:50] knome: may I help with a test submission? [17:40] knome: if by check desktop especially - you mean the colour changing - very nice - but not something I particularly like myself [17:42] not sure what you mean by "the celebration of customization bluesabre talked about" [17:46] re voting on wallpapers - given that we are a community flavour - perhaps we should let the community vote for "a number" and then "team" narrow that down [17:47] don't see why not - when other flavours do let community join in [18:35] flocculant, everything's possible... [18:35] flocculant, and re: customization i mean mentioning something about the plethora of options available in xubuntu [18:35] but, bbl [19:02] knome: should I look at the slideshow in the installer today, or is there a newer version in lp? [19:05] flocculant: any issues right now with using unetbootin vs. usb-creator-gtk with the daily isos? or should I just dd to a usb stick? [19:06] (assuming I'm making it on a 15.10 system) [19:12] pleia2, nothing is landed in the installer yet, there's a branch in launchpad though [19:13] pleia2, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 [19:13] pleia2, if you want to look at that... [19:13] knome: ty [19:13] pleia2, basically just pull the branch, and run "./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu" in the branch root [19:14] thanks [19:15] hope the slideshow brings you surprises and joy [19:16] :) [19:22] pleia2: afaik the fixed ubuntu tool is fixed in xenial/unetbootin > no idea, stopped using that cycles ag- currently I use disks because can't be bothered to dd - so I would say dd it :) [19:23] flocculant: hah, wfm [19:23] :) [19:24] when thebuntu tool is current everywhere - it works - they lost persistence which was causing the problem [19:24] * pleia2 nods [19:24] " - Use an equivalent of dd to make an exact copy of the image to the device" " - This also breaks persistence." [19:25] december 2015 [19:25] "heh" [19:26] so the only way to create a bootable USB device that you can later reuse with persistence is actually *install* the system on that device? [19:27] guess so [19:27] bbl [19:27] that's so expected that it's even genious. [19:29] heh [19:30] I don't know how to use disks, turns out [19:31] pleia2 not a DJ [19:31] har [19:52] imma try "restore disk image" [19:53] evening all [19:54] knome, first test uploads completed.. everything seems ok, [19:54] hey akxwi-dave [19:55] Hello pleia2 How are you today [19:55] good good [20:06] akxwi-dave, good to hear everything has gone smooth so far :) [20:08] hi, flocculant, you told me it's not necessary anymore to test upgrade ? [20:08] it doesn't work from 14.04 to 16.04 right ? [20:08] Nairwolf, for now, not, because the upgrade isn't working. [20:08] pleia2: yea restore is the one [20:08] knome: ty [20:08] flocculant: that's pretty handy :) testing once I find a place to put my laptop [20:09] pleia2, didn't you learn to carry things on your head in africa? [20:09] that's an essential skill! [20:09] pleia2: it does the whole - gparted can't see it cos it's all odd - but afaik dd does the same [20:10] Nairwolf: as knome said [20:10] cos..by? bill? is it you? [20:10] ok, thanks [20:10] knome: ... [20:10] ta-ra! [20:10] so tonight what I can do ? [20:10] knome: haha, no, those people are seriously talented [20:11] Nairwolf: dailies are ALWAYS there :) [20:11] pleia2, totally! [20:11] okay ! [20:11] pleia2, it would be great for the neck/back to be able to carry things like that [20:33] knome: back to the slideshow for a short time - not sure the bottom of the desktop slide would do justice to customisation - perhaps a couple of brief pointers and a slide for each ? [20:33] don't know how many we're aiming for [20:34] * knome shrugs [20:35] * flocculant *shrugs* as well and wanders off [20:35] :) [20:35] I'll not bother commenting on it if *shrug* is your response [20:36] what i mean is that i don't know, i'm just playing around with things [20:36] i don't even have an idea of the type of text we'd want to use [20:39] ...so the shrug isn't "i don't care", it's "i don't know, i'll think about it" [20:39] ("and poke slickymaster with it") [20:44] there is still this bug, and it seems to be really old. I don't think it will be treated untill the release [20:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/990744 [20:44] Launchpad bug 990744 in partman-basicfilesystems (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu installer says: The creation of swap space in partition failed" [High,Triaged] [20:48] knome: how I am supposed to help you with the wallpaper contest ? [21:04] Nairwolf, please reply to the thread on the mailing list and i'll get back to you via email [21:13] ok, I will do that [22:19] knome: re slideshow - I think I would be safe in saying you can probably Software for the package manager now :) [22:19] mhm [22:19] i wonder which icon we are using for it... [22:20] do we use different from the normal app one? [22:20] no [22:20] but i don't know which icon the app uses :) [22:21] oic [22:21] sadly looks like a shopping bag ... [22:21] ;) [22:38] poke me ?! [22:39] poke poke poke [22:39] will you be the poker, flocculant? [22:39] nope [22:39] /kick slickymaster POKE [22:40] I'llbe the wooden spoon for stirring with [22:42] * knome stirs slickymaster's face with the wooden spoon [22:42] wait. [22:43] so much violence going on [22:43] violence? i was stirring *very* gently [22:43] * slickymaster doesn't even doubt it [22:49] I couldn't install the daily today... [22:59] see you, good night [23:27] yeah, just checked krytarik, they weren't updated [23:28] something might have gone wrong when I run the script [23:28] or I might have't run it at all, and was convinced I did, when I push [23:28] who knows [23:29] ?! [23:29] krytarik, were you planning on working on de.pot tonight? [23:29] nobody knows about you... [23:30] nobody knows the troubles I've seen... [23:30] slickymaster: Nope, just pointing out. [23:31] ok [23:31] I'll do it later then [23:58] evening alllll