[00:00] <knome> toooo slooooow
[00:15] <bluesabre> :D
[00:15] <bluesabre> the slowness never stops
[00:15] <knome> true
[00:17] <slickymaster> knome, bluesabre, added my comments to the pad
[00:20] <bluesabre> slickymaster: cool, going through and commenting more where appropriate
[00:20] <slickymaster> oki doke bluesabre 
[00:21] <knome> new revision pushed
[00:21] <slickymaster> give me a sec knome 
[00:21] <slickymaster> to have a smoke
[00:21] <knome> hahah
[00:21] <knome> bluesabre, you should get it too, i think i just proved you wrong
[00:22] <knome> re: "Not really sure if anything can be improved here."
[00:23] <bluesabre> knome: :D cloning
[00:24] <knome> it's ever so slight change, but i think it improves the slide a lot
[00:25]  * slickymaster opt for a pear instead of smoking
[00:26] <slickymaster> WAY MUCH BETTER knome 
[00:26] <knome> haha
[00:27] <slickymaster> as far as I'm concerned the second one is done :)
[00:27] <bluesabre> so. many. revisions.
[00:27] <knome> maybe some slight tweaks, but yeah
[00:28] <slickymaster> did you see my comments in the pad, knome?
[00:28] <knome> not yet
[00:28] <slickymaster> in particular the one reagrding the Xubuntu >Desktop slide
[00:29] <knome> hmh, not sure
[00:30] <slickymaster> too many animation?
[00:31] <knome> that might be too busy, and i'm not sure if the user actually needs to see the panel zoomed
[00:33] <slickymaster> I do see your point knome, but as it is that slide is too much of a wall of text
[00:33] <knome> then do something else with it
[00:37] <bluesabre> knome: ahhhh, that's so fancy with the animations
[00:37] <knome> bluesabre, isn't it
[00:37]  * bluesabre approves
[00:37] <knome> the thing i'll do after i've landed all these animations
[00:37] <knome> is look through the slideshow
[00:37] <knome> and remove half
[00:37] <knome> ;P
[00:37] <bluesabre> :D
[00:37] <slickymaster> I'd lose those two paragraphs in the 'Xubuntu Desktop' knome 
[00:38] <knome> then it's a very empty slide
[00:39] <slickymaster> I'd prefer to see there a screenshot of a desktop than some more text
[00:41] <knome> pushed a new revision
[00:41] <knome> is the animation for the contribute slide too cheesy?
[00:41] <slickymaster> lol rolling a cigarette
[00:41] <knome> hah
[00:42] <knome> there goes the "pear instead of a cig" one
[00:42] <slickymaster> already ate the pear that's why
[00:42] <knome> well yeah..
[00:42] <bluesabre> knome: yes, that's too cheesy
[00:42]  * bluesabre is reminded of early powerpoint presentations
[00:42] <knome> yeah
[00:42] <knome> :D
[00:43] <bluesabre> er
[00:43] <bluesabre> OpenDocument presentations
[00:43] <knome> haha
[00:43] <knome> no, you DID mean powerpoint presentations
[00:43] <knome> in 1990's
[00:43] <bluesabre> :D
[00:43] <knome> :|
[00:44] <knome> that slide needs a bit of something though
[00:47] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[00:47] <jjfrv8> hi, knome
[00:47] <bluesabre> knome: maybe blueprinty something or other
[00:47] <slickymaster> hey jjfrv8, 
[00:47] <knome> meh
[00:47]  * bluesabre shrugs
[00:47] <jjfrv8> hey, slicky
[00:47] <knome> slickymaster, i tried the contribute slide with the contributor docs link, but it became too full
[00:47] <knome> especially as we need to make sure translations fit too
[00:48] <bluesabre> knome: we could use shortlinks... does ubuntu have a url shortener?
[00:48] <slickymaster> I don't like this version of that slide knome 
[00:49] <knome> bluesabre, of course i hid the url itself in a link text :P
[00:49] <bluesabre> oh right
[00:49] <bluesabre> :D
[00:49] <bluesabre> have you considered just showing links and dropping all other text :D
[00:49] <knome> yes
[00:49] <knome> i have...
[00:49] <bluesabre> ah
[00:49] <slickymaster> bluesabre -> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/libwww-shorten-perl/
[00:50] <knome> slickymaster, i think he meant ubuntu.com url
[00:50] <knome> and yeah, there is one actually, but it's a bit hidden..
[00:50] <slickymaster> oh
[00:50] <knome> well it's actually ubottu.com and also not so secret that one wouldn't be on our topic :P
[00:50] <slickymaster> knome, you have to rollback the contribute slide to the previous version
[00:50] <knome> i did that already
[00:50] <slickymaster> great
[00:51] <slickymaster> so are there any other options to place the contributor docs links?
[00:53] <Unit193> knome: And all over factoids.
[00:53]  * bluesabre is not so observant it seems
[00:53] <Unit193> I put it there. >_>
[00:53] <bluesabre> :D
[00:55] <knome> slickymaster, i don't think so (at least not another slide)
[00:55] <knome> slickymaster, that said, we should make it's more visible on the website than it's now
[00:55] <knome> (there is practically no link there from any "landing" page...)
[00:55] <slickymaster> yeaps, another slide isn't a good option
[00:55]  * knome goes edit the website meanwhile
[01:17] <knome> last revision for today
[01:17] <knome> there's this and that cleanup
[01:17] <knome> and all slides should have the likely final layouts now, without the extra artwork/effects
[01:17]  * slickymaster checks it before going to bed
[01:18] <knome> bluesabre, i agree with the customization slide, but what could it be? if it's not something specific, then it's boring general blabber
[01:19] <knome> bluesabre, though we can tweak the slide nicely, eg. change the background color to pink while on that slide
[01:19] <bluesabre> knome: I'm not sure
[01:20] <knome> think about it :)
[01:20] <knome> i'll do that too while ehmm.. sleeping
[01:21] <slickymaster> I'm just fighting the Xubuntu Desktop slide
[01:21] <slickymaster> other than that, I like the overall outcome of the installer
[01:22] <slickymaster> anyway, bed time for me. Early morning in a few hours
[01:22] <slickymaster> mañana all
[01:22] <knome> sleep tight
[01:32] <knome> nighty! -->
[07:05] <flocculant> lots of words
[07:09]  * flocculant looks at the pictures instead
[09:58] <knome> flocculant, isn't that what very young and very old people tend to do anyway?
[09:58]  * knome hides
[12:10] <bluesabre> morning all
[12:10] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[12:11] <bluesabre> hey knome
[12:11] <bluesabre> http://contest.xubuntu.org/ looks nice
[12:11] <knome> :)
[12:11] <knome> should put it into some kind of test, then announce the competition
[12:12] <bluesabre> definitely
[12:27] <flocculant> like really soon ... 
[12:28] <knome> flocculant, yeah, i'm writing the mail
[12:28] <flocculant> knome: hah
[12:28] <flocculant> oh 
[12:28] <flocculant> hah to not actually needing to read words not the mail :p
[12:28] <knome> ;)
[12:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: https://i.imgur.com/89PcVt0.jpg
[12:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: ha ha 
[12:32] <bluesabre> :d
[12:32] <bluesabre> :D
[12:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: see what happened is I saw slickymaster ... knome ... ad infinitum
[12:33] <bluesabre> gotcha
[12:33] <flocculant> and thought - mmm - check the last lines :p
[12:34] <flocculant> saw slide thought that bzr pull was more than enough words :D
[12:34] <knome> yup
[12:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: g-s > software sources now points to software sources/updates thingy
[12:34] <bluesabre> yay!
[12:35] <bluesabre> we might have something usable this week
[12:35] <flocculant> so I think that unless the thing completely implodes on Ubuntu then no reason to not go there
[12:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: usable now 
[12:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: do you think we should go ahead and swap over for people to start using it a bit?
[12:37] <flocculant> well if we don't want to carry on using usc or go backwards to synaptic - then I think we should lose usc and add this as soon as practical :)
[12:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: then it will be in tomorrow's image (unless there is no internet tonight)
[12:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: do you know of the top of your head how usc dealt with dependencies on a removal of something? 
[12:38] <bluesabre> I'm going to load up today's image tonight and look for greybird bugs and missing icons to poke ochosi
[12:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think it just does the same as apt-get remove
[12:38] <bluesabre> not sure though
[12:38] <bluesabre> could test that tonight
[12:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll look once I'm home then - be quicker
[12:39] <flocculant> just want to know if it's the same as g-s mostly
[12:39] <bluesabre> dpkg -l > old.txt
[12:39] <bluesabre> install package
[12:39] <bluesabre> dpkg -l > new.txt
[12:40] <bluesabre> remove package
[12:40] <bluesabre> dpkg -l > newer.txt
[12:40] <bluesabre> and diff away
[12:40] <bluesabre> :D
[12:40] <flocculant> well I was just going to use usc then see if apt-get autoremove says anything :p
[12:40] <bluesabre> that works
[12:40] <bluesabre> easier too
[12:40] <flocculant> :)
[12:40] <bluesabre> darn
[12:40] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[12:40] <bluesabre> :D
[12:41] <bluesabre> time to get ready for work, bbl
[12:41] <flocculant> have a day :)
[12:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: did it now - looks like usc just leaves behind the configs - gs leaves behind dependencies
[12:51] <knome> hahah
[12:52] <flocculant> I'll check in a clean install though - just in case I did something - if it's right I guess we should do some sort of 'article' 
[12:52] <flocculant> knome: ^^
[12:52] <knome> mhm
[12:53] <flocculant> seems -desktop is getting all happy about breeze being default in ubuntu while we're wanting to stop that :D
[12:53] <knome> heh
[12:53] <flocculant> anyway - time to wander again - bbl
[12:54] <flocculant> knome: just very very quickly - perhaps a link in that mail re wallpaper might help :)
[12:54] <knome> flocculant, if you read it, you'd noticed i asked people to be in touch with me
[12:55] <knome> i don't want everybody and the world to poke their titty-pictures in the site
[12:55] <knome> ...yet
[13:00] <knome> flocculant, pull the slideshow
[13:00] <knome> flocculant, and check the desktop slide especially
[13:01] <knome> flocculant, the celebration of customization bluesabre talked about could now go there, potentially to replace the paragraphs at the bottom
[13:01] <knome> ...you'll figure out why
[13:03] <knome> i'm also thinking that now we might be able to drop the boxes near the panel
[13:32]  * knome goes set up the contest testsite
[13:35] <knome> question to people: do we want to show the submissions during the contest, or do we just show the winners once we are done?
[13:39] <knome> Akxwi-dave, remind me to ask you one more question once i've sent you the mail with instructions
[13:41] <lbssousa> Could you make Whisker Menu show it's icon label by default (and make it translatable) in Xubuntu default panel layout? My schools' teachers complain that its icon is too small.
[13:47] <Akxwi-dave> knome, will do...
[13:49] <Akxwi-dave> knome, personally i would show the finalists
[13:50] <Akxwi-dave> before cossing winners
[13:50] <knome> yeah
[13:50] <knome> i'll have to write a small amount of code then
[13:50] <knome> i haven't thought too much of that, yet...
[13:51] <Akxwi-dave> is the team choosing the winners or the public?
[13:51] <knome> the team or a subportion of the team
[13:51] <knome> at least that's how it went the last time
[13:52] <Akxwi-dave> in that case at least you dont have to write a voting system.. :-)
[13:52] <knome> i did already
[13:52] <knome> ;)
[13:52] <Akxwi-dave> should have guessed..  I usually cheat and use a pre written mod for phpnuke or e107
[13:53] <knome> heh :)
[13:53] <knome> since the plugin adds the submission to the wordpress media gallery, it's easy enough to push some metadata for the submissions - and easy enough to write a simple UI for that
[14:00] <knome> Akxwi-dave, sent mail, and will send the extra questions in a minute
[14:07] <knome> and those are done too
[14:07] <knome> Akxwi-dave, and if you are wondering, the instructions are kind of vague for a reason - we want the site to be so usable that we don't need to write long instructions
[14:07] <Akxwi-dave> cheers amte
[14:08] <knome> np
[14:10] <Akxwi-dave> right bbl.. gotta drive to another office..
[14:10] <knome> hf
[14:10] <Akxwi-dave> ;-)
[14:10] <knome> ...if possible
[14:50] <dkessel> knome: may I help with a test submission?
[17:40] <flocculant> knome: if by check desktop especially - you mean the colour changing - very nice - but not something I particularly like myself
[17:42] <flocculant> not sure what you mean by "the celebration of customization bluesabre talked about"
[17:46] <flocculant> re voting on wallpapers - given that we are a community flavour - perhaps we should let the community vote for "a number" and then "team" narrow that down
[17:47] <flocculant> don't see why not - when other flavours do let community join in
[18:35] <knome> flocculant, everything's possible...
[18:35] <knome> flocculant, and re: customization i mean mentioning something about the plethora of options available in xubuntu
[18:35] <knome> but, bbl
[19:02] <pleia2> knome: should I look at the slideshow in the installer today, or is there a newer version in lp?
[19:05] <pleia2> flocculant: any issues right now with using unetbootin vs. usb-creator-gtk with the daily isos? or should I just dd to a usb stick?
[19:06] <pleia2> (assuming I'm making it on a 15.10 system)
[19:12] <knome> pleia2, nothing is landed in the installer yet, there's a branch in launchpad though
[19:13] <knome> pleia2, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[19:13] <knome> pleia2, if you want to look at that...
[19:13] <pleia2> knome: ty
[19:13] <knome> pleia2, basically just pull the branch, and run "./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu" in the branch root
[19:14] <pleia2> thanks
[19:15] <knome> hope the slideshow brings you surprises and joy
[19:16] <pleia2> :)
[19:22] <flocculant> pleia2: afaik the fixed ubuntu tool is fixed in xenial/unetbootin > no idea, stopped using that cycles ag- currently I use disks because can't be bothered to dd - so I would say dd it :)
[19:23] <pleia2> flocculant: hah, wfm
[19:23] <flocculant> :)
[19:24] <flocculant> when thebuntu tool is current everywhere - it works - they lost persistence which was causing the problem
[19:24]  * pleia2 nods
[19:24] <flocculant> "    - Use an equivalent of dd to make an exact copy of the image to the device" "    - This also breaks persistence."
[19:25] <flocculant> december 2015
[19:25] <knome> "heh"
[19:26] <knome> so the only way to create a bootable USB device that you can later reuse with persistence is actually *install* the system on that device?
[19:27] <flocculant> guess so
[19:27] <flocculant> bbl
[19:27] <knome> that's so expected that it's even genious.
[19:29] <pleia2> heh
[19:30] <pleia2> I don't know how to use disks, turns out
[19:31] <knome> pleia2 not a DJ
[19:31] <pleia2> har
[19:52] <pleia2> imma try "restore disk image"
[19:53] <akxwi-dave> evening all
[19:54] <akxwi-dave> knome, first test uploads completed..  everything seems ok,
[19:54] <pleia2> hey akxwi-dave 
[19:55] <akxwi-dave> Hello pleia2 How are you today
[19:55] <pleia2> good good
[20:06] <knome> akxwi-dave, good to hear everything has gone smooth so far :)
[20:08] <Nairwolf> hi, flocculant, you told me it's not necessary anymore to test upgrade ? 
[20:08] <Nairwolf> it doesn't work from 14.04 to 16.04 right ? 
[20:08] <knome> Nairwolf, for now, not, because the upgrade isn't working.
[20:08] <flocculant> pleia2: yea restore is the one
[20:08] <flocculant> knome: ty
[20:08] <pleia2> flocculant: that's pretty handy :) testing once I find a place to put my laptop
[20:09] <knome> pleia2, didn't you learn to carry things on your head in africa?
[20:09] <knome> that's an essential skill!
[20:09] <flocculant> pleia2: it does the whole - gparted can't see it cos it's all odd - but afaik dd does the same
[20:10] <flocculant> Nairwolf: as knome said 
[20:10] <knome> cos..by? bill? is it you?
[20:10] <Nairwolf> ok, thanks
[20:10] <flocculant> knome: ... 
[20:10] <knome> ta-ra!
[20:10] <Nairwolf> so tonight what I can do ? 
[20:10] <pleia2> knome: haha, no, those people are seriously talented
[20:11] <flocculant> Nairwolf: dailies are ALWAYS there :)
[20:11] <knome> pleia2, totally!
[20:11] <Nairwolf> okay !
[20:11] <knome> pleia2, it would be great for the neck/back to be able to carry things like that
[20:33] <flocculant> knome: back to the slideshow for a short time - not sure the bottom of the desktop slide would do justice to customisation - perhaps a couple of brief pointers and a slide for each ?
[20:33] <flocculant> don't know how many we're aiming for
[20:34]  * knome shrugs
[20:35]  * flocculant *shrugs* as well and wanders off
[20:35] <knome> :)
[20:35] <flocculant> I'll not bother commenting on it if *shrug* is your response
[20:36] <knome> what i mean is that i don't know, i'm just playing around with things
[20:36] <knome> i don't even have an idea of the type of text we'd want to use
[20:39] <knome> ...so the shrug isn't "i don't care", it's "i don't know, i'll think about it"
[20:39] <knome> ("and poke slickymaster with it")
[20:44] <Nairwolf> there is still this bug, and it seems to be really old. I don't think it will be treated untill the release
[20:44] <Nairwolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/990744
[20:48] <Nairwolf> knome: how I am supposed to help you with the wallpaper contest ? 
[21:04] <knome> Nairwolf, please reply to the thread on the mailing list and i'll get back to you via email
[21:13] <Nairwolf> ok, I will do that
[22:19] <flocculant> knome: re slideshow - I think I would be safe in saying you can probably Software for the package manager now :)
[22:19] <knome> mhm
[22:19] <knome> i wonder which icon we are using for it...
[22:20] <flocculant> do we use different from the normal app one? 
[22:20] <knome> no
[22:20] <knome> but i don't know which icon the app uses :)
[22:21] <flocculant> oic
[22:21] <flocculant> sadly looks like a shopping bag ... 
[22:21] <knome> ;)
[22:38] <slickymaster> poke me ?!
[22:39] <flocculant> poke poke poke
[22:39] <slickymaster> will you be the poker, flocculant? 
[22:39] <flocculant> nope
[22:39] <Unit193> /kick slickymaster POKE
[22:40] <flocculant> I'llbe the wooden spoon for stirring with 
[22:42]  * knome stirs slickymaster's face with the wooden spoon
[22:42] <knome> wait.
[22:43] <slickymaster> so much violence going on
[22:43] <knome> violence? i was stirring *very* gently
[22:43]  * slickymaster doesn't even doubt it
[22:49] <Nairwolf> I couldn't install the daily today...
[22:59] <Nairwolf> see you, good night
[23:27] <slickymaster> yeah, just checked krytarik, they weren't updated
[23:28] <slickymaster> something might have gone wrong when I run the script
[23:28] <slickymaster> or I might have't run it at all, and was convinced I did, when I push
[23:28] <slickymaster> who knows
[23:29] <slickymaster> ?!
[23:29] <slickymaster> krytarik, were you planning on working on de.pot tonight?
[23:29] <knome> nobody knows about you...
[23:30] <slickymaster> nobody knows the troubles I've seen...
[23:30] <krytarik> slickymaster: Nope, just pointing out.
[23:31] <slickymaster> ok
[23:31] <slickymaster> I'll do it later then
[23:58] <bluesabre> evening alllll