[00:13] valorie: is there a place I can check to see if I've set up a kubuntu email? [00:14] oops nevermind the test mail didn't send silly akonadi server [00:14] claydoh: you can't send from it [00:14] just get mail through it [00:14] i know [00:14] ok [00:14] what's your email? [00:14] I'll email you [00:15] and are you using ubuntu.com or kubuntu.org? [00:15] I just sengt a mail to the address, it went through after i restarted akonadi - [00:15] its good [00:15] \o/ [00:15] could not remeber if I ever set one up [00:15] claydoh which version of kmail? [00:16] clivejo: the one in staging [00:16] it works for you? [00:16] so far [00:16] haha was going to ask same [00:16] did those conflicts go away? [00:16] tho i basically ripped out all the previoius pim stuff first [00:17] oh [00:17] lol [00:17] I was ready for a fresh install [00:17] so i didn't care [00:18] the 2nd fix version is still building [00:19] sgclark: are all those rebuilds queued in KCI because of a SCM? [00:19] may test a clean setup tomorrow gotta clear out space on my tiny-ish drive so's I have room for movies an such for my flight to Oz [00:20] need to test upgrades [00:20] clivejo: que? I think that merger is scripted for everyday run [00:21] I will test an upgrade when pim finishes [00:21] I thought it only rebuilt them if the source code or packaging changed from last time [00:22] I thought sitter said daily [00:22] one of these days I will have time to sit down and dig into kci code. oh and learn ruby. but not likely soon [00:23] holy que batman [00:24] that is more than mergers [00:24] seems to be a lot of rebuilding going on [00:27] time for bed and lovely dreams about PIM [00:27] they all say mgmt_progenator started by timer [00:27] haha thanks, sleep well [00:33] muon (master) v5.4.3-179-g465ca5f * Carlo Vanini: src (2 files in 2 dirs) [00:33] Fix muon not closing with window close button. [00:33] The variable m_canExit was not initialized and did prevent muon from exiting [00:33] when closed from the window manager. Remove it because it is never changed and [00:33] remove canExit() because it is in the wrong place anyway to prevent exiting [00:33] http://commits.kde.org/muon/465ca5fcf203fa190b90823907f358954b922f5f [00:47] off to dinner than pflag === sitter_ is now known as sitter === _stowa_ is now known as _stowa === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [07:49] good morning [07:53] Hi, good morning [07:54] I had a couple of highlights. Lets see [07:55] yofel: It's not completly clear if ksnapshot is going to be deprecated as to make a meta transitional package out of it. [07:57] We should probably stop depending on ksnapshot in meta-kde to avoid kde4 dependencies till there's a new frameworks based release. [07:58] About the version bumping, you can set the versions of the binary packages, in meta-kde we do that. [08:03] sitter: You can run the git bare commands in alioth directly and avoid the hooks. [08:50] libqapt (master) v3.0.1-1-ge63d323 * Carlo Vanini: src (2 files) [08:50] Emit signals when the cache is reloaded. [08:50] Reloading the cache deletes the current list of packages and creates a new one, [08:50] creating new Package objects. Any reference (pointer) and iterator must be [08:50] invalidated. The new signals allow to be notified when this happens. [08:50] http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/e63d3239a7846eb968151ebdd4f12e0921e0f13a [08:57] Good morning. [08:59] muon (master) v5.4.3-180-ga437d39 * Carlo Vanini: src (4 files in 2 dirs) [08:59] Connect to backend signals to catch cache reload. [08:59] When the cache is reloaded libqapt deletes Package objects and creates them [08:59] anew. This results in dangling pointers in muon models. [08:59] http://commits.kde.org/muon/a437d39e43112a3e61ebafadd4e3a06b9bd91437 [10:47] hi folks === clivejo_ is now known as clivejo [10:54] sgclark: ping [10:57] bit early for sgclark [10:58] prob still in bed dreaming about PIM [10:58] and the KDE Pimps [11:06] hehe [11:16] ah kfunk [11:17] are you on xenial? [11:18] would you be up for testing apps 15.12.1? [11:18] especially keen to test kontact/pim [11:22] sure [11:26] if you add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications [11:26] please report back ANY problems you have [11:26] at the moment we are aware of an issue with gwenview [11:27] * kfunk tries [11:29] sigh, this updates almost everything KDE-related (including KF5) -- can I expect it to at least work a bit? this is a production system :) [11:29] if you have any doubts, please dont install it on production [11:30] well, just asking: have you been trying it and did some basic testing? [11:30] to be honest I havent installed this myself [11:31] the reason being is that I’m heavy reliant on Kolab, and we have had to disable that functionality from PIM in order to get it to build [11:31] oh, ok. same here. can't do that then [11:32] kolab is one horrible dependancy cycle [11:33] chicken before the egg type problem [11:47] yofel sgclark : See FFe - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/1547571 [11:47] Launchpad bug 1547571 in meta-kde (Ubuntu) "[FFe] KDE Meta" [Critical,Confirmed] [11:48] if they can be uploaded all straight away we have a green light from Iain Lane (Laney) [11:51] clivejo: did you talk to #kontact? they're usually pretty responsive [12:04] kfunk: libkolab is from Kolab Systems [12:05] their main devel distro is CentOS [12:05] my own VPS is running CentOS as well [12:06] I would like to get Kolab in Ubuntu like it used to be, but need to learn how it all operates === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [12:11] Howdy folks [12:27] clivejo: right, someone should test that before replying [12:27] like, make some ppa and throw everything up there without any ppa deps [12:27] or just use staging-misc for that [12:29] maxyz: well, as far as I understood it, ksnapshot is to be used for kde4 based desktops, and kde-spectacle for plasma5 ones. So considering that we default to plasma5 and we now ship an incompatible kipi fully replacing ksnapshot sounds reasonable? [12:29] we'll probably solve it through kubuntu-meta as well though [12:38] I did notice that after removing ksnapshot and installing spectacle that the Print Screen button does not launch spectacle. [12:50] clivejo: I know, still lots of people in #kontact are either working for Kolab Systems, or at least know about the library [13:32] yofel: The commits that fix ksnapshot are in the frameworks branch, so the question is if somebody is going to release it. [13:33] oh okay, thanks [13:33] well, probably not === perezmeyer is now known as lisandro [13:50] morning [14:06] yofel: so copy kf5/plasma/apps into staging-misc will achieve this testing? [15:06] sgclark: well, selectively copying them in the order that we indend to upload them and not copying binaries would work [15:06] the point is seeing if everything would build [15:06] yeah that is what I am doing [15:06] kf5 building now [15:06] ok, thanks! [15:06] next plasma [15:06] then apps [15:07] perfect :D [15:07] yofel: will ping you with results [15:14] sgclark: piiiiing [15:31] sitter: pooong [15:32] sgclark: https://phabricator.kde.org/conduit/method/user.whoami/ please hit call and tell me which roles you get? [15:33] sitter: admin verified approved activated [15:34] cheers [15:35] sgclark: do you happen to know if phab has some additional group sort of system beyond the user roles? [15:35] sitter: not that I am aware of, but I have not had time to mess with it much lately :( [16:11] sorry guys, very busy with family stuff today :/ [16:12] clivejo: no worries, just rebuilding stuff. enjoy your day :) [16:12] hows things going [16:13] so far good. have not got to apps yet though haha [16:16] * clivejo fingers crossed! [16:16] * sgclark does too [16:18] I did want to walk through how you are doing the upload though, just to know how you do it :) [16:19] but Im sure there will be other opportunities! [16:20] clivejo: archive script. however that one you MUST have rights to upload to archive our seed. Which means developer. I do not even have rights on a few bits so yofel will likely have to do it. [16:21] I don't have those either, needs at least MOTU [16:21] ah [16:21] doh [16:22] if they are in a PPA can Iain do it? [16:22] how we gonna upload? lol [16:22] NEW source uploads are >= MOTU [16:22] I thought Phil was He-man! [16:22] ask one of the other folks. Someone will probably have some spare time to help out (I hope) [16:22] well, not YET [16:24] yofel and sgclark, He-man and Shera :P [16:24] shadeslayer: still about? I recall you having MOTU [16:25] heh well hopefully someone will step up. we can't win for losing it seems. [16:28] Phil hold aloft your magic sword and say "By the power of Greyskull!" [16:33] :O [16:35] nah, even with that I'm no match to almighty sitter, overlord of ... stuff [16:35] * sitter nods in agreement [16:36] lol [16:36] * clivejo questions sitters methods [16:37] <- is a sitter wannabe [16:37] especially how he revived the dead executor [16:46] jealous of my magic fingers I see [16:53] LOL [16:53] indeed [16:53] sgclark: I is motu [16:54] thought so [16:54] I am unavailable till tomorrow at least though [17:32] ak [17:32] eak [17:33] 17:27:14 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/restricted/source/Sources 403 Forbidden [17:35] is ubuntu block us from the archives? [17:36] Status code 403 responses are the result of the web server being configured to deny access, for some reason, to the requested resource by the client. [17:36] thats not good [17:38] sitter: have you changed the archive URL's? [17:40] clivejo: should that be Sources.gz or Sources.bz2, perhaps? [17:41] yeah, something has changed [17:42] well thats cleared the queue a bit! [17:49] oh my [18:07] Is http://wire.kubuntu.org/ still updated? Seems like mostly old stuff there [18:20] genii: 5.5.3 isn't to terribly old. But yeah it could probably use more updates from the web team === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [19:36] Hi [19:37] OK, do you need me to assist, or is it looking OK presently [19:38] looking good. valorie s commit seems to have attracted presence. thanks! [19:38] commit being comment [19:38] Excellent news :-) [20:21] o/ sick_rimmit [20:30] sgclark: how are the uploads coming along? [20:31] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc [20:31] still building. I am hoping those fails are just dependency order.. [20:31] otherwise not good [20:32] so thats a clean PPA to test rebuild everything? [20:32] mmhmm [20:40] hiho [20:43] why the ... i have some pidgin-data package installed ? [21:35] hi kfunk [21:36] evening [21:37] hows things? [21:38] still at 16.04 (i.e. no PPA) and thus broken :P [21:39] wish I could figure out this libkolab package [21:40] I think its that causing the problem [21:43] I really really want to try plasma 5.6 beta [21:43] https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.95.php [21:44] clivejo: what's/where's the problem? maybe I can help [21:45] what do you mean? [21:45] problem with kolab? [21:53] mm anyone having issues playing DVDs? [21:57] DVDs? what is this? the 90's? [21:58] somepeople use them sitter [21:58] some people also use floppies [21:58] as drink holders maybe [21:59] no [21:59] Mr sitter, whats wrong with this ? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_ktp-approver/ [21:59] like actually for stuff [21:59] for *1* low res picture? [22:00] clivejo: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/neon/2016-February/000031.html [22:00] oh [22:00] cant fix that then [22:01] clivejo: I am guessing the release bumping script is still not using epochs correctly [22:01] so it blanked bumped all apps to 4:... [22:01] which is why the job is failing [22:01] :( [22:02] either you have to have an admin wipthe workspace to accept this bump as valid, or the bump needs to go away [22:02] since there is no need for the epoch I am going out on a limb and say that the bump should not have happend and is the result of the script misbehaving [22:02] sitter: I dont know :( [22:03] just trying to fix stuff on KCI [22:03] while its quiet [22:04] sitter: any idea whats wrong here - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/245533142/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kdepimlibs_4%3A15.12.1+git20160303.2141+16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz [22:04] akonadicontact? [22:07] it encountered an error [22:07] really? [22:07] an error you say [22:08] why yes [22:08] is that why it failed? [22:08] I am afraid so [22:08] clivejo: upstream bug actually [22:08] warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/kf5/akonadi/kcfg2dbus.xsl" [22:09] the way I see it the build tries to generate docs using a definition from installation path, when it can't yet be in installation path (what with being built right now) [22:10] either that or you are missing a bdep on akonadi-dev [22:10] which seems unlikely ;) [22:10] well akonadi is a bit of a mess [22:10] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=akonadi%2Fkcfg2dbus.xsl&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any [22:10] that file is in the package created by kdepimlibs [22:10] so yeah [22:10] upstream bug [22:11] libs are being migrated out of kdepimlibs to akonadi [22:12] maybe it is genuinly missing then [22:13] sitter: you know the way there is packages.ubuntu.com, where we can search inside packages? [22:13] is there a way of doing that on KCI? [22:14] nope [22:14] or maybe [22:14] I forgot whether ppas have sources [22:14] I seem to recall that they don't [22:15] then again, I am not sure [22:15] I dont think they do [22:15] so the answer is no [22:15] could KCI parse the buildlog and create indexs? [22:16] ok so that file is being installed into akonadi-server [22:16] so I need a build dep on that [22:16] clivejo: sure if you write the code [22:17] no problem, it will be ready in 10 mins :P [22:17] you could also once a day mirror all debs and dpkg-deb -c them [22:17] which TBH probably is simpler than aggregating the build logs [22:17] in particular since I *think* KCI has an apt-cacher-ng set up [22:17] so you can technically simply apt-get download all packages [22:18] and the cacher will take care to not have excessive network IO [22:19] sounds like a lot of work [22:20] release bumping script? why would that be being run? [22:20] we need to get what we have in archive before any bumping goes on [22:20] sgclark: if it wasn't then the epoch bump makes even less sense [22:20] clivejo: not so much [22:20] cause the staging script is buggy [22:20] https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/blob/master/ci-tooling/kci/install_check.rb#L64 [22:20] code for listing all packages [22:21] once you have that you basically just Apt.install(package, '--download-only') [22:21] nothing should be staging at this time, I will be very angry if it is. we only have FFe for current stuff [22:21] and then you list all downloaded debs and extract info [22:21] ~1h of work [22:21] sgclark: talking about KCI here [22:21] ok [22:22] * sgclark goes back into her cell [22:22] hm [22:22] clivejo: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-approver.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=17934dcec272ddde31be9267b8e9b36eeb9e849e [22:22] well [22:22] you did add the epoch :P [22:22] by hand [22:23] I think what happened was that you merged debian but lost the epoch [22:23] I merged with debian and thought we could remove it [22:23] on that note. someone please file a bug that dpkg-mergechangelogs shouldn't let epoch reductions get merged [22:23] but kubuntu had already released under the new name with an epoch [22:24] so it had to be put back [22:24] yeah [22:24] so it probably was just bad timing as the epoch check was rolled out that very same day [22:25] had it happened after feb 16 the intial lowering you did as part of the merge would have failed to integarte [22:25] sitter: would you mind fixing it on KCI? [22:25] on accuont of that very test [22:25] clivejo: are you still not an admin? [22:25] nope [22:26] * sitter looks at sgclark and yofel and puts on his grumpy face [22:26] they dont like me ! [22:26] clivejo: kindly direct your request at one of two [22:26] if they don't like you then they have to hit buttons for you :P [22:26] * clivejo feels unloved [22:26] make them suffer I say! [22:26] get developer status.. [22:26] like an ugly child [22:26] clivejo: no child has an aol email address though [22:27] I think they suffer too much already [22:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1npzZu83AfU [22:27] make you go through the same bashing grueling tests that I did [22:28] :O [22:28] flowers!! [22:28] we can do one right now [22:28] its mothers day on sunday! [22:28] do we have quorum? [22:28] * clivejo face palms [22:28] only us two sitter I think [22:28] I count for two so we have quorum [22:28] though if he passes your tests he has my +1 haa [22:29] clivejo: what's a udeb, what are they used for and how do you make one? [22:30] debian after the divorce? [22:30] oO [22:30] clivejo: what's the canonical contents of a deb file? [22:31] sitter: stop being mean! [22:31] I am not. those are my easy questions :/ [22:32] clivejo: its true [22:32] you are a master jedi [22:32] I had to study very hard for developer lol [22:32] and there were more people testing me lol [22:32] a mean question would be "what's dh, how do we use it, where do we the control the invocation sequence for kde packages" [22:33] * clivejo hasnt studied [22:33] FFS! [22:33] to be fair though kubuntu doesnt mess with udeb :) but contant of a deb should be known [22:33] incidently I only know that because I rewrote dh https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2015/03/12/debian-rake-a-tale-of-rubies/ [22:34] ooooo [22:34] its building, just missing files [22:34] * clivejo dances [22:35] oh, Ill need help with these [22:35] resourcebase.kcfg where would one put that? [22:36] config files, would they go in kdepimlibs-data.install ? [22:36] usr/share/config.kcfg/resourcebase.kcfg? [22:37] oh [22:37] sily me [22:39] sgclark: I am pretty sure the kubuntu package set has stuff with udebs [22:40] oh? guess I just have managed to miss them [22:40] primarily working on kde software one would probably miss them [22:41] what is https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/trunk ? [22:41] sitter: ^ [22:41] at any rate, the question is to probe whether one has encountered a udeb, because if one has then one has duckduckwalked udeb and that leads to a onelineer on the debian wiki pretty much answering the question ;) [22:42] sgclark: krunners [22:42] sgclark: in krunner you can enable web shortcuts plugin somewhere [22:42] then you can do lp:kubuntu-ci and that will run a launchpad search in your browser for kubuntu-ci [22:42] neat. seems important. [22:42] or usrc:phonon [22:42] leads to launchpad source phonon [22:42] sitter: did you used to work for Canonical? [22:42] sgclark: shocking that you don't know it [22:43] I agree [22:43] usrc is the most useful thing ever [22:43] clivejo: nope [22:45] sitter: when will Neon have apps? [22:45] not any time soon [22:45] how come? [22:46] plasma stable > plasma release > ... ISO ... > apps [22:47] our target audience is pretty much plasma's so we want that flying asap [22:47] plus kdepim TBH makes apps a really unfortunate chore [22:47] heh indeed [22:47] targetting devs? [22:47] so if we did apps before we had actual releases ISOs they'd only slow us down on account of the unecessary work [22:48] clivejo: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Workspace_Sprint/Personas [22:48] sitter: but if you did apps, I could just copy you! [22:48] you could come up with a copy scheme first :P [22:49] because the way I see it if you don't completely align builds to debian imports you'll probably want to merge from neon and neon is meant to merge from debian [22:50] except I am not sure about that because it probably will get weird at some point when neon adjusts things to either fit LTS or Qts/middleware that is not yet in debian nor ubuntu [22:50] I want sync and be done. we don't have the resources to carry on this way. [22:50] sgclark: it is my favorite option as well as you will know :) [22:51] yes [22:52] at some point I will convince someone to hire me and will not around to package 24/7 heh. I know I keep saying that. doesn't hurt to dream. [22:53] so what exactly needs fixing for ktp-approver? [22:53] see mail I forwarded [22:53] sounds like we need to remove a file or some such [22:54] wipe wok-space [22:54] sgclark: you should learn go and join some go startup [22:55] where would this file go? [22:55] usr/share/akonadicontact/grantleetheme/default/addresseslocation.css [22:55] kdepimlibs-data.install ? [22:55] aah, fancy magic [22:57] or would it go in libkf5akonadicontact5.install ? [22:57] not a lib, I think -data [22:57] mm go that does seem to be the flavor of the month [22:58] it's the new trendy backend language [22:58] so there's bound to be startups sprouting all over the place [22:59] except they probably do fullstack anyway [22:59] so you want to brush up on js [23:00] or more specifically one of the popular js framewoks [23:00] so, "Wipe out current workspace" is what's needed to fix ktp? I don't see a way to just delete that one file [23:00] heh. what do I drop to make time to learn this :) [23:00] yofel: yeah, deleting that one file you'd have to ssh [23:00] sgclark: I hear neon could use some js frontend for aptly :P [23:00] actually [23:00] aptly is go [23:00] would deleting the whole workspace break something? [23:00] so you could craft some http auth into aptly's api part [23:01] and then put a js frontend on top of the api [23:01] yofel: nope [23:01] k, thx [23:01] sitter: hmm tempting. but I don't think I would be well received there. [23:02] aptly is basically a one man show from what I have seen, I doubt you wouldn't be welcome [23:02] I will look into it thanks [23:03] clivejo: I added ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications to my xenial box and apt update && apt full-upgraded [23:04] valorie: and? [23:04] I don't remember how to put the output (which core-dumped and errored out) into a pastebin [23:04] oh neat. aptly looks useful [23:05] valorie: you got errors? [23:06] oh, i figured it out, sec [23:06] coredump sounds dreadful [23:06] sgclark: I know :( [23:06] ktp-approver reset [23:06] got an aweful sinking feeling :( [23:07]