| === meetingology` is now known as meetingology | ||
| dholbach | good morning | 07:54 |
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| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| davidcalle | Morning o/ | 08:56 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 11:09 |
| svij | dpm: hey, we have an permission issue on ubucon.org, I've added two people to the ubucon-site-editors group, but they don't have the permission if they try to edit something | 11:19 |
| svij | jose had a look, it looks alright, but it isn't | 11:19 |
| dpm | svij, let me have a look after lunch. I need to remind myself how we fixed it last time, withouth having to add everyone to the *-developers team | 11:25 |
| svij | I'm in the developers group, that atleast how we "fixed" my permissions | 11:26 |
| svij | und guten appetit ;) | 11:26 |
| svij | dpm: oh and also the speaker profile pics of ubucon summit are missing (again?) | 11:28 |
| dpm | yeah, that's what I mean, but I prefer fixing it properly. I did it for the old site (just after I had added you to the developers team), but now that change is gone. I need to remind myself how I did it, and add than change to the charm | 11:28 |
| dpm | svij, on the speakers page or on the talks page? | 11:28 |
| svij | dpm: talks | 11:29 |
| svij | also that sub navigation bar is missing in the subpages of ubucon summit | 11:29 |
| dpm | svij, will loom at it, thanks! | 11:36 |
| svij | thanks! | 11:36 |
| === Pici` is now known as Pici | ||
| popey | dholbach: if you get a moment could you please manually review clock? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/121/rev/37/ | 16:51 |
| dholbach | sure | 16:52 |
| popey | thanks! | 16:52 |
| dholbach | have a good one! big hugs! | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | can someone approve ~nairwolf to the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad team? (we're having a meeting and he can't see our pad, oops) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | and I am no longer an admin, since no more CC | 17:16 |
| knome | mhall119, ping ^ | 17:17 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: knome: approved | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 17:18 |
| knome | ta | 17:18 |
| popey | pleia2: wanna be an admin again? | 17:59 |
| pleia2 | popey: after asking, I realized that through some launchpad magic apparently I still am | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | I can't figure out how though | 18:00 |
| popey | heh | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | says I'm a member via ubuntumembers, but that doesn't have admin, and I'm not a direct member | 18:00 |
| popey | i thought you were a direct admin | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | my name is not on the member list | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | it's weird :) | 18:00 |
| knome | pleia2, isn't the member list paginated? | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | knome: yes, I paged through to E | 18:01 |
| mhall119 | there's probably several if user.nickname == 'pleia2': lines in Launchpad's code :) | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+members?active_batch=75&active_memo=225&active_start=225 | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: srsly | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | (well, ~lyz) | 18:02 |
| popey | why does lp not have a "list the admins" | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | because lp | 18:02 |
| knome | pleia2, the list is ordered by the username, yeah | 18:02 |
| knome | hmm, no | 18:02 |
| knome | weird | 18:02 |
| popey | oh, all loco teams are in it | 18:02 |
| popey | but dunno about admins, voodoo | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | it's a mystery | 18:02 |
| popey | ah well, lets not ask too many questions or it'll break :) | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | more 500 errors than not on wiki.ubuntu.com, I can't even create a page now | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | this is making me crazy /o\ | 18:06 |
| knome | pleia2, i'll take care of it | 18:06 |
| wxl | can we just lock the freaking thing down? | 18:06 |
| knome | pleia2, the minutes you are trying to do, that is | 18:06 |
| wxl | i'm sorry, if we can't get work done, i don't even care about whether or not we lose "drive by" edits | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | wxl: then I *really* won't be able to create new pages :P | 18:06 |
| wxl | pleia2: no, i mean to a select group | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | ah, yeah, that'd be nice | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | I need to get the newsletter done this weekend, if no wiki, no newsletter | 18:07 |
| wxl | yeah and the membership board has been passing around SCREENSHOTS of applications uggggh | 18:07 |
| * pleia2 nods | 18:07 | |
| pleia2 | it's really bad | 18:07 |
| wxl | i'm all for leaving things open to the community, but if NO ONE can get anything done, security is a better choice | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | yep | 18:08 |
| popey | just reading backscroll from IS | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | I don't have all day to refresh the wiki in order to volunteer | 18:08 |
| popey | seems the 500 errors are triggered by the anti-spam scripts | 18:08 |
| popey | they were working on it a couple of hoursa ago | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | great | 18:08 |
| wxl | i know we've had some discussion on this on the mailing list, but i think the question of switching to media wiki got a little confused with the more urgent problem we have | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | wxl: yeah, the thread is a disaster | 18:08 |
| * wxl sighs | 18:09 | |
| knome | pleia2, i was able to create the new page by just refreshing the 500 error page | 18:09 |
| wxl | knome: yeah you can refresh sometimes once, sometimes 20 times, and you'll get something eventually, but that's annoying at best | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | knome: yeah, I got bored with refreshing, and it likely dumped me into a pot saying I was a spammer anyway :) | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | anyway, back to work | 18:10 |
| knome | the situation *is* so bad that we've set up our own wiki for xubuntu | 18:10 |
| knome | goodbye 500 errors. | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | considering moving the main publishing platform for UWN off the wiki, but honestly I don't have time to come up with something | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | and I'm certainly not going to host whatever it is | 18:11 |
| wxl | popey: i feel like IS is just putting band aids on the thing. i wish the cc would just vote to lock the thing down to a select group. | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | wxl: +1 | 18:11 |
| popey | Then deal with the possible migration? | 18:14 |
| wxl | yes | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | any migration will take months, maybe years | 18:14 |
| wxl | the migration is not easy | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | I need to use the wiki today | 18:14 |
| wxl | i've already looked into what it takes and there's no EASY way to migrate | 18:14 |
| popey | maybe the select group could be ubuntu-etherpad group or similar | 18:14 |
| wxl | even for a small wiki | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | popey: yes, the ubuntu-etherpad group would do | 18:15 |
| popey | lets not talk about migration now, that's for tomorrow :) | 18:15 |
| wxl | popey: how does one gain ubuntu-etherpad membership? | 18:15 |
| wxl | +1 popey | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | apply to the team in lp, someone approves | 18:15 |
| popey | you request and an admin approves | 18:15 |
| wxl | ok that seems reasonable | 18:15 |
| popey | if someone messes the wiki, we remove them | 18:15 |
| popey | unlikely though | 18:15 |
| wxl | i can get behind that | 18:15 |
| wxl | then we could at least have control over it | 18:16 |
| popey | I'll speak to the IS vanguard, they *just* went to lunch | 18:16 |
| wxl | and it wouldn't require IS' work | 18:16 |
| popey | when they get back I'll ask if it's much work to do | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | wxl: it would, since a lp group needs to be mapped to a wiki group | 18:16 |
| popey | could be a good quick fix | 18:16 |
| wxl | popey: i know moin moin permissions to some degree, so let me know if they need some help | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | who knows how hard that is :\ | 18:16 |
| popey | yeah, we'll see | 18:16 |
| wxl | pleia2: well, i mean for maintaining users if they're not behaving | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | wxl: ah yes, that | 18:16 |
| popey | and we can always add more admins to the lp group | 18:16 |
| wxl | +1 popey | 18:17 |
| popey | well if they dont behave we just remove them from the lp group, simple | 18:17 |
| wxl | yes that's what i mean | 18:17 |
| wxl | no need to bug IS | 18:17 |
| wxl | *we* can manage it | 18:17 |
| popey | exactly | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | man, I can't even log in when the wiki *doesn't* 500 | 19:01 |
| balloons | i find after europe goes to bed it gets better :-) | 19:15 |
| popey | We never sleep | 19:16 |
| popey | wxl: mhall119 has been talking to deej about the issue. | 20:13 |
| wxl | thanks popey. keep us updated if you or mhall119 find anything more out. | 20:13 |
| popey | we will | 20:14 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: your membership in ~community-web-admins gives you the ability to approve ~ubuntu-etherpad members | 21:13 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: wxl: FYI, IS is okay with the proposal to use ~ubuntu-etherpad to restrict editing access, and getting rid of the spam-protection scripts that are causing the 500 errors | 21:22 |
| mhall119 | they're going to try and implement it today | 21:22 |
| wxl | mhall119: thank you so much for pushing that forward | 21:25 |
| wxl | mhall119: please give me an update when it's happened and i'll make sure to update all my teams. if you need another admin to manage users in ~ubuntu-etherpad, feel free to add me | 21:26 |
| mhall119 | wxl: thanks, I'll let you know when I get an update from them | 21:26 |
| wxl | yay! so glad we have a solution! | 21:26 |
| wxl | we should also prepare an email to community-team and any other relevant mailing list | 21:27 |
| wxl | and/or put it in uwn | 21:27 |
| wxl | and/or put it on fridge/planet | 21:27 |
| wxl | and make sure that we discuss both the short term solution and the long term one | 21:27 |
| wxl | since people WILL complain about limiting access | 21:27 |
| wxl | if you need help writing then, i'd be happy to help | 21:28 |
| wxl | s/then/that/ | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: aha! | 22:26 |
| mhall119 | aha? | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | etherpad adminyness | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | yeah, still some issues with errors and load times going on, but I just confirmed that edit access via team membership works | 22:38 |
| wxl | ahhh so we're good to go???? | 22:38 |
| knome | etherpad adminyness sounds like a name | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | wxl: well, we're getting better at least | 22:39 |
| mhall119 | you'll have to log out and back in for the new permissions to take effect | 22:39 |
| mhall119 | and the login takes a while to complete | 22:39 |
| wxl | IS should log everyone out | 22:39 |
| mhall119 | you'll expect it to timeout, but it gets there eventually it seems | 22:39 |
| wxl | and/or restart the whole wiki if that'll do the same thing | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | can this be done for help.ubuntu.com/community wiki too? | 22:40 |
| wxl | +1 pleia2 | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | the ContributorTeam was one of the suggestions we had in that ticket | 22:40 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: I asked for it there too, let me double check | 22:41 |
| mhall119 | wxl: it would probably be better to tell people that they need to confirm ubuntu-etherpad membership at login before we log anybody out | 22:41 |
| mhall119 | since it's not obvious | 22:41 |
| wxl | mhall119: intention for doing that? | 22:42 |
| mhall119 | wxl: doing what? | 22:42 |
| wxl | mhall119: informing people— globally | 22:42 |
| mhall119 | so that people know they have to confirm their ubuntu-etherpad membership when logging in to the wiki, otherwise they don't get edit access | 22:43 |
| mhall119 | they can log in without sharing that membership data with the wiki, and SSO defaults to having membership data unchecked | 22:43 |
| wxl | is everyone logged in now still have edit access? | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | also, we'll need to put this info in the footer or something | 22:44 |
| wxl | +1 pleia2 | 22:44 |
| mhall119 | wxl: I don't think so | 22:44 |
| wxl | mhall119: oh well then our problems with load times should go away pretty soon | 22:44 |
| mhall119 | wxl: that's the theory anyway, we'll have to wait and see what reality brings us :) | 22:45 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: they plan to do the same setup on help.ubuntu.com/community, but they're trying to fix the 500s that are still happening on wiki.ubuntu.com first | 22:45 |
| mhall119 | I'm EOD already, and late for my walk, but I will check in with them again tomorrow | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: makes sense, thanks | 22:46 |
| wxl | great | 22:46 |
| wxl | pleia2 and i will complain about it while you're going | 22:46 |
| wxl | s/complain about/help with/ | 22:46 |
| wxl | XD | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | lol | 22:47 |
| mhall119 | wxl: lol | 22:48 |
| mhall119 | thanks to you guys and popey for this idea, it seems like it'll work to fix the short-term and give us breathing space to plan for the long-term | 22:49 |
| wxl | yay thanks to mhall119 and popey and IS! | 22:50 |
| wxl | spam seems to have stopped! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?max_days=1 | 22:50 |
| wxl | now i imagine the next step is to clean all the spam off | 22:50 |
| wxl | all those extra pages have got to be dragging things down | 22:51 |
| wxl | since moin moin is flat file ugggggh | 22:52 |
| pleia2 | IS did a nice job tidying up last time, we (knome) only needed to fix a few pages | 22:52 |
| knome | yep | 22:54 |
| tsimonq2 | FWIW I really like this solution :) | 23:03 |
| tsimonq2 | (wiki) | 23:03 |
| wxl | yeah but it needs to remain a temporary fix | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | I don't, it's not such a wiki anymore | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | but it's tolerable | 23:03 |
| wxl | +1 pleia2 | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | and a major improvement | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | +1 wxl | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 23:04 |
| wxl | what makes me pleased is we're still talking about media wiki migration | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | wxl: same | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | this will make it less urgent and allow for more time :) | 23:04 |
| wxl | let's open source the moin moin to media wiki migration tool!!!!! | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | though I have spent quite a bit of time over the past week getting the openstack wiki back under control | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | YES! There aren't any really solid ones! | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | (@ wxl) | 23:05 |
| wxl | pleia2: innit that mediawiki? | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | wxl: it is, but it's getting hit with all these fake lp accounst too | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | the spam problem is not wiki-specific, it's launchpad specific | 23:05 |
| wxl | pleia2: what is your long term solution? | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | find a new job | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | :P | 23:05 |
| wxl | hahahhahaa | 23:05 |
| wxl | 19 minutes and no spam!!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?max_days=1 | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | we don't have one yet, we have a whole group of people helping with spam prevention methods as each attack comes through (our system is managed through code review + git, so people submit changes) | 23:06 |
| * tsimonq2 gives wxl a high-five :D | 23:06 | |
| pleia2 | apply changes, spam slows down, repeat | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | we're also looking to switch off of launchpad for auth ASAP | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | since we have no control over it, or the accounts | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | it was on our list anyway, we have our own openid server that we're migrating things too | 23:07 |
| wxl | argh now i'm getting 500s | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | s/to/too | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | er other way around | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | I am going to lie down again | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | :) | 23:08 |
| * pleia2 headache triage | 23:08 | |
| wxl | uggggggggggggh | 23:09 |
| wxl | i'm going to come to this later | 23:09 |
| wxl | just when i thought things were moving along | 23:09 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-refresh/ifooldnmmcmlbdennkpdnlnbgbmfalko?hl=en-US have fun :D | 23:11 |
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