=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology [07:54] good morning === popey_ is now known as popey [08:56] Morning o/ [11:09] aloha [11:19] dpm: hey, we have an permission issue on ubucon.org, I've added two people to the ubucon-site-editors group, but they don't have the permission if they try to edit something [11:19] jose had a look, it looks alright, but it isn't [11:25] svij, let me have a look after lunch. I need to remind myself how we fixed it last time, withouth having to add everyone to the *-developers team [11:26] I'm in the developers group, that atleast how we "fixed" my permissions [11:26] und guten appetit ;) [11:28] dpm: oh and also the speaker profile pics of ubucon summit are missing (again?) [11:28] yeah, that's what I mean, but I prefer fixing it properly. I did it for the old site (just after I had added you to the developers team), but now that change is gone. I need to remind myself how I did it, and add than change to the charm [11:28] svij, on the speakers page or on the talks page? [11:29] dpm: talks [11:29] also that sub navigation bar is missing in the subpages of ubucon summit [11:36] svij, will loom at it, thanks! [11:36] thanks! === Pici` is now known as Pici [16:51] dholbach: if you get a moment could you please manually review clock? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/121/rev/37/ [16:52] sure [16:52] thanks! [17:00] have a good one! big hugs! [17:16] can someone approve ~nairwolf to the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad team? (we're having a meeting and he can't see our pad, oops) [17:16] and I am no longer an admin, since no more CC [17:17] mhall119, ping ^ [17:18] pleia2: knome: approved [17:18] thank you :) [17:18] ta [17:59] pleia2: wanna be an admin again? [18:00] popey: after asking, I realized that through some launchpad magic apparently I still am [18:00] I can't figure out how though [18:00] heh [18:00] says I'm a member via ubuntumembers, but that doesn't have admin, and I'm not a direct member [18:00] i thought you were a direct admin [18:00] my name is not on the member list [18:00] it's weird :) [18:01] pleia2, isn't the member list paginated? [18:01] knome: yes, I paged through to E [18:01] there's probably several if user.nickname == 'pleia2': lines in Launchpad's code :) [18:01] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+members?active_batch=75&active_memo=225&active_start=225 [18:01] mhall119: srsly [18:02] (well, ~lyz) [18:02] why does lp not have a "list the admins" [18:02] because lp [18:02] pleia2, the list is ordered by the username, yeah [18:02] hmm, no [18:02] weird [18:02] oh, all loco teams are in it [18:02] but dunno about admins, voodoo [18:02] it's a mystery [18:03] ah well, lets not ask too many questions or it'll break :) [18:03] hehe [18:05] more 500 errors than not on wiki.ubuntu.com, I can't even create a page now [18:06] this is making me crazy /o\ [18:06] pleia2, i'll take care of it [18:06] can we just lock the freaking thing down? [18:06] pleia2, the minutes you are trying to do, that is [18:06] i'm sorry, if we can't get work done, i don't even care about whether or not we lose "drive by" edits [18:06] wxl: then I *really* won't be able to create new pages :P [18:07] pleia2: no, i mean to a select group [18:07] ah, yeah, that'd be nice [18:07] I need to get the newsletter done this weekend, if no wiki, no newsletter [18:07] yeah and the membership board has been passing around SCREENSHOTS of applications uggggh [18:07] * pleia2 nods [18:07] it's really bad [18:08] i'm all for leaving things open to the community, but if NO ONE can get anything done, security is a better choice [18:08] yep [18:08] just reading backscroll from IS [18:08] I don't have all day to refresh the wiki in order to volunteer [18:08] seems the 500 errors are triggered by the anti-spam scripts [18:08] they were working on it a couple of hoursa ago [18:08] great [18:08] i know we've had some discussion on this on the mailing list, but i think the question of switching to media wiki got a little confused with the more urgent problem we have [18:08] wxl: yeah, the thread is a disaster [18:09] * wxl sighs [18:09] pleia2, i was able to create the new page by just refreshing the 500 error page [18:09] knome: yeah you can refresh sometimes once, sometimes 20 times, and you'll get something eventually, but that's annoying at best [18:09] knome: yeah, I got bored with refreshing, and it likely dumped me into a pot saying I was a spammer anyway :) [18:10] anyway, back to work [18:10] the situation *is* so bad that we've set up our own wiki for xubuntu [18:10] goodbye 500 errors. [18:11] considering moving the main publishing platform for UWN off the wiki, but honestly I don't have time to come up with something [18:11] and I'm certainly not going to host whatever it is [18:11] popey: i feel like IS is just putting band aids on the thing. i wish the cc would just vote to lock the thing down to a select group. [18:11] wxl: +1 [18:14] Then deal with the possible migration? [18:14] yes [18:14] any migration will take months, maybe years [18:14] the migration is not easy [18:14] I need to use the wiki today [18:14] i've already looked into what it takes and there's no EASY way to migrate [18:14] maybe the select group could be ubuntu-etherpad group or similar [18:15] even for a small wiki [18:15] popey: yes, the ubuntu-etherpad group would do [18:15] lets not talk about migration now, that's for tomorrow :) [18:15] popey: how does one gain ubuntu-etherpad membership? [18:15] +1 popey [18:15] apply to the team in lp, someone approves [18:15] you request and an admin approves [18:15] ok that seems reasonable [18:15] if someone messes the wiki, we remove them [18:15] unlikely though [18:15] i can get behind that [18:16] then we could at least have control over it [18:16] I'll speak to the IS vanguard, they *just* went to lunch [18:16] and it wouldn't require IS' work [18:16] when they get back I'll ask if it's much work to do [18:16] wxl: it would, since a lp group needs to be mapped to a wiki group [18:16] could be a good quick fix [18:16] popey: i know moin moin permissions to some degree, so let me know if they need some help [18:16] who knows how hard that is :\ [18:16] yeah, we'll see [18:16] pleia2: well, i mean for maintaining users if they're not behaving [18:16] wxl: ah yes, that [18:16] and we can always add more admins to the lp group [18:17] +1 popey [18:17] well if they dont behave we just remove them from the lp group, simple [18:17] yes that's what i mean [18:17] no need to bug IS [18:17] *we* can manage it [18:17] exactly [19:01] man, I can't even log in when the wiki *doesn't* 500 [19:15] i find after europe goes to bed it gets better :-) [19:16] We never sleep [20:13] wxl: mhall119 has been talking to deej about the issue. [20:13] thanks popey. keep us updated if you or mhall119 find anything more out. [20:14] we will [21:13] pleia2: your membership in ~community-web-admins gives you the ability to approve ~ubuntu-etherpad members [21:22] pleia2: wxl: FYI, IS is okay with the proposal to use ~ubuntu-etherpad to restrict editing access, and getting rid of the spam-protection scripts that are causing the 500 errors [21:22] they're going to try and implement it today [21:25] mhall119: thank you so much for pushing that forward [21:26] mhall119: please give me an update when it's happened and i'll make sure to update all my teams. if you need another admin to manage users in ~ubuntu-etherpad, feel free to add me [21:26] wxl: thanks, I'll let you know when I get an update from them [21:26] yay! so glad we have a solution! [21:27] we should also prepare an email to community-team and any other relevant mailing list [21:27] and/or put it in uwn [21:27] and/or put it on fridge/planet [21:27] and make sure that we discuss both the short term solution and the long term one [21:27] since people WILL complain about limiting access [21:28] if you need help writing then, i'd be happy to help [21:28] s/then/that/ [22:26] mhall119: aha! [22:29] aha? [22:38] etherpad adminyness [22:38] yeah, still some issues with errors and load times going on, but I just confirmed that edit access via team membership works [22:38] ahhh so we're good to go???? [22:38] etherpad adminyness sounds like a name [22:39] wxl: well, we're getting better at least [22:39] you'll have to log out and back in for the new permissions to take effect [22:39] and the login takes a while to complete [22:39] IS should log everyone out [22:39] you'll expect it to timeout, but it gets there eventually it seems [22:40] and/or restart the whole wiki if that'll do the same thing [22:40] can this be done for help.ubuntu.com/community wiki too? [22:40] +1 pleia2 [22:40] the ContributorTeam was one of the suggestions we had in that ticket [22:41] pleia2: I asked for it there too, let me double check [22:41] wxl: it would probably be better to tell people that they need to confirm ubuntu-etherpad membership at login before we log anybody out [22:41] since it's not obvious [22:42] mhall119: intention for doing that? [22:42] wxl: doing what? [22:42] mhall119: informing people— globally [22:43] so that people know they have to confirm their ubuntu-etherpad membership when logging in to the wiki, otherwise they don't get edit access [22:43] they can log in without sharing that membership data with the wiki, and SSO defaults to having membership data unchecked [22:44] is everyone logged in now still have edit access? [22:44] also, we'll need to put this info in the footer or something [22:44] +1 pleia2 [22:44] wxl: I don't think so [22:44] mhall119: oh well then our problems with load times should go away pretty soon [22:45] wxl: that's the theory anyway, we'll have to wait and see what reality brings us :) [22:45] pleia2: they plan to do the same setup on help.ubuntu.com/community, but they're trying to fix the 500s that are still happening on wiki.ubuntu.com first [22:46] I'm EOD already, and late for my walk, but I will check in with them again tomorrow [22:46] mhall119: makes sense, thanks [22:46] great [22:46] pleia2 and i will complain about it while you're going [22:46] s/complain about/help with/ [22:46] XD [22:47] lol [22:48] wxl: lol [22:49] thanks to you guys and popey for this idea, it seems like it'll work to fix the short-term and give us breathing space to plan for the long-term [22:50] yay thanks to mhall119 and popey and IS! [22:50] spam seems to have stopped! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?max_days=1 [22:50] now i imagine the next step is to clean all the spam off [22:51] all those extra pages have got to be dragging things down [22:52] since moin moin is flat file ugggggh [22:52] IS did a nice job tidying up last time, we (knome) only needed to fix a few pages [22:54] yep [23:03] FWIW I really like this solution :) [23:03] (wiki) [23:03] yeah but it needs to remain a temporary fix [23:03] I don't, it's not such a wiki anymore [23:03] but it's tolerable [23:04] +1 pleia2 [23:04] and a major improvement [23:04] +1 wxl [23:04] yeah [23:04] what makes me pleased is we're still talking about media wiki migration [23:04] wxl: same [23:04] this will make it less urgent and allow for more time :) [23:04] let's open source the moin moin to media wiki migration tool!!!!! [23:04] though I have spent quite a bit of time over the past week getting the openstack wiki back under control [23:04] YES! There aren't any really solid ones! [23:05] (@ wxl) [23:05] pleia2: innit that mediawiki? [23:05] wxl: it is, but it's getting hit with all these fake lp accounst too [23:05] the spam problem is not wiki-specific, it's launchpad specific [23:05] pleia2: what is your long term solution? [23:05] find a new job [23:05] :P [23:05] hahahhahaa [23:06] 19 minutes and no spam!!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?max_days=1 [23:06] we don't have one yet, we have a whole group of people helping with spam prevention methods as each attack comes through (our system is managed through code review + git, so people submit changes) [23:06] * tsimonq2 gives wxl a high-five :D [23:06] apply changes, spam slows down, repeat [23:07] we're also looking to switch off of launchpad for auth ASAP [23:07] since we have no control over it, or the accounts [23:07] it was on our list anyway, we have our own openid server that we're migrating things too [23:07] argh now i'm getting 500s [23:08] s/to/too [23:08] er other way around [23:08] I am going to lie down again [23:08] :) [23:08] * pleia2 headache triage [23:09] uggggggggggggh [23:09] i'm going to come to this later [23:09] just when i thought things were moving along [23:11] wxl: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-refresh/ifooldnmmcmlbdennkpdnlnbgbmfalko?hl=en-US have fun :D